Céline under attack for using playback

[Prince Whiskers]

You've lost that lovin' feeling,

Whoa, that lovin' feeling,

You've lost that lovin' feeling,

Now, it's gone, gone, gone....wooooohhhhhhhh

 

[Shamrock_1982]

Celine's camp are aware of this board, and I'm sure they have already had a look at this topic stevo me old mucker...

 

Darren.

[mirage]

I just think that she should have scrapped the majority of the old stuff- and maybe just did her 3 biggest hits from the past- I truly belive she mimes them because she is bored to tears.

The setlist has NOT been her idea. I'm sure of it.

 

lol she rehearsed more than 40 songs for this tour, and they come up with more old songs then new ones...

so sure that "they' wanted her to sing those old ones because they think 'we' need/want to hear them...

 

and celine bored to tears because singing them so long? if she decides to sings them live and a little different it will be much more fun for her, and for us...

remember her soundcheck for the last vegas show!? where she sings ANDHC... OMG that was amazing!!

 

maybe there comes a day when she will sings those songs live again...

dont care if she lips or not, but some new arrangments or way of singing would be nice

[Your_Su_Phu]

(and for "saving" her voice as much as she does by lipping, her live appearances aren't anything to really write home about at that)

 

 

purely your opinion. as critical as I am of celine many of her live performances on this tour have been insane. her voice is still as flexible and powerful as it ever was.

[wunderbarCéline]

A little bit - as said before - I did not like the concert at all, one of the worst I have seen - and I have seen a lot. Still can´t get over this cheap setup, this stage, my god, that stage... not even I would perform on such a thing

Did you see her walking in and out of her dressing tent and walk to the back of the stage to "appear" from the back? Can it get any cheaper? Don´t think so... especially if you read the announcement "...a fest of light and colour.." or something like that...

But - as I said before - she had wonderful moments when she did her new songs, my barbeque sauce was "My love", "Taking chances" and "Alone" - that was real, that was Celine in all her glory.

But the rest - "We will rock you" - I don´t even find the right words to express how dull that was.

And her big hits from tape.

 

Martin, I really don't know what your problem is!! You're complaining and whining about everything like a little spoiled boy. I was at the some concert (front row) and I enjoyed every second of it! Well, it was my birthday ...but everyone else seemed to have a great time, apart from you of course. Poor guy!! I personally couldn't care less about the setup of the stage, Céline's dressing tent or from where she "appears". The indoor centre stage is more spectecular of course and it's wonderful to see her walk through the audience but I personally prefer the end stage because I can face Céline all the time. I made both experiences, so I know what I'm talking about.

I don't like the fact that she's lipping but apart from that (and the outrageous ticket prices) I have no complaints about the show. I was happy with the setlist, her outfits and everything else!

And just because YOU didn't like the show doesn't mean that it was bad!

 

You can of course speak your opinion but I think you should be a bit more respectful and not try to make fun of Céline. That's not nice!

You sound like you are convinced that you can do a better show. I very much doubt!!

Some fans are really going a bit too far here for my taste. Like everyone else, I want Céline to deliver her songs live on stage. Believe me, I'm also disappointed that she's cheating us in that respect. It's totally ok that this issue is discussed here and I have no problem with fans speaking their opinions.... but it depends on how they express them.

Do you guys really have to ATTACK Céline that way?

[Nikosn17]

Oh my... I can't believe what some of you said... about Love being on this board. What the hell is that? Do you really believe Celine has always been 100% honest ? No one of you guys (unless you are not in her familly) knows her. It's a complete mistake to judge for a person just from his/her public appearances. I know that Celine has been doing this since she was a kid but come on. You can't be honest all the time in front of the cameras. We don't know her. + I can say that her lipping is her not being honest. I'm not saying that she is always like that or something like that but I guess sometimes there is a fake mask she use in front of the cameras. For example do you really think that she is honest while crying at the end of every ''My Love'' performance? She has a certain image and more or less she has to follow it.

[P@ulin@]

You can of course speak your opinion but I think you should be a bit more respectful and not try to make fun of Céline. That's not nice!

You sound like you are convinced that you can do a better show. I very much doubt!!

Some fans are really going a bit too far here for my taste. Like everyone else, I want Céline to deliver her songs live on stage. Believe me, I'm also disappointed that she's cheating us in that respect. It's totally ok that this issue is discussed here and I have no problem with fans speaking their opinions.... but it depends on how they express them.

Do you guys really have to ATTACK Céline that way?

 

You're absolutely right!

[tomaat]

Oh my... I can't believe what some of you said... about Love being on this board. What the hell is that? Do you really believe Celine has always been 100% honest ? No one of you guys (unless you are not in her familly) knows her. It's a complete mistake to judge for a person just from his/her public appearances. I know that Celine has been doing this since she was a kid but come on. You can't be honest all the time in front of the cameras. We don't know her. + I can say that her lipping is her not being honest. I'm not saying that she is always like that or something like that but I guess sometimes there is a fake mask she use in front of the cameras. For example do you really think that she is honest while crying at the end of every ''My Love'' performance? She has a certain image and more or less she has to follow it.

I agree again.

I 'love' Celine for her singing, that's it. She touches me in ways that are beyond comprehension. But as a person, I don't know if I feel the same thing. I just don't know how Celine is. Public appearences, press articles and well-studied texts in concerts do not tell us anything about the way she feels or is. If you say the same thing 100 times (or more, depends on how many performances she gives during this tour), showing the same tears and emotions, I doubt whether it is meant every single time.

I make a clear distinction between Celine as a vocalist, and Celine as a non-singer. I know that no-one can judge her personal approach to concerts, but I have the right to think mine of it.

Edited August 6, 2008 at 08:20 PM by tomaat

[Duchess]

oooh mein gott..........i have never laughed so much in my life.

if it weren't for sophoan keeping the reality in this thread i think it would be so very very boring.

as for the steak analogy

[I Surrender]

I couldnt agree more Tomaat

[Nikosn17]

Oh my... I can't believe what some of you said... about Love being on this board. What the hell is that? Do you really believe Celine has always been 100% honest ? No one of you guys (unless you are not in her familly) knows her. It's a complete mistake to judge for a person just from his/her public appearances. I know that Celine has been doing this since she was a kid but come on. You can't be honest all the time in front of the cameras. We don't know her. + I can say that her lipping is her not being honest. I'm not saying that she is always like that or something like that but I guess sometimes there is a fake mask she use in front of the cameras. For example do you really think that she is honest while crying at the end of every ''My Love'' performance? She has a certain image and more or less she has to follow it.

I agree again.

I 'love' Celine for her singing, that's it. She touches me in ways that are beyond comprehension. But as a person, I don't know if I feel the same thing. I just don't know how Celine is. Public appearences, press articles and well-studied texts in concerts do not tell us anything about the way she feels or is. If you say the same thing 100 times (or more, depends on how many performances she gives during this tour), showing the same tears and emotions, I doubt whether it is meant every single time.

I make a clear distinction between Celine as a vocalist, and Celine as a non-singer. I know that no-one can judge her personal approach to concerts, but I have the right to think mine of it.

 

Exactly.

[Love,]

Oh my... I can't believe what some of you said... about Love being on this board. What the hell is that? Do you really believe Celine has always been 100% honest ? No one of you guys (unless you are not in her familly) knows her. It's a complete mistake to judge for a person just from his/her public appearances. I know that Celine has been doing this since she was a kid but come on. You can't be honest all the time in front of the cameras. We don't know her. + I can say that her lipping is her not being honest. I'm not saying that she is always like that or something like that but I guess sometimes there is a fake mask she use in front of the cameras. For example do you really think that she is honest while crying at the end of every ''My Love'' performance? She has a certain image and more or less she has to follow it.

LOL! Ding! Ding! Ding!

You're on the money!

 

You know what's funny?

 

After not having slept for 20 hours and having arrived late to the Munich Olympiastadion... as soon as I sat down to watch the concert, she began "My Love." It was the moment where I sat down and tried to compose myself after having flown two planes, ridden a 50-Euro taxi ride from the airport, wandered around the park to find the stadium, and been escorted by a security agent with two baggages on me. THAT was the song that I wanted to hear LIVE. So I sat there, and enjoyed every moment of it. BUT at the end, as soon as I saw a glimpse of her little twinkly eyes look as though she were an infant crawling and mommy is calling, I just looked away. The reason I looked away was to keep myself from laughing. I knew that the ending would ruin the whole performance for me. It was so staged. It was so awkward. It looked like she was being hypnotized or an alien abduction was ready to happen!

 

If anything, it was like... "Someone, please apply some eyedrops in my eyes!"

 

 

maybe there comes a day when she will sings those songs live again... dont care if she lips or not, but some new arrangments or way of singing would be nice

 

Oh, I get it... you want new steak sauce!

 

 

oooh mein gott..........i have never laughed so much in my life.

if it weren't for sophoan keeping the reality in this thread i think it would be so very very boring.

as for the steak analogy

Thank you! Anything for you, Shirls! :flowers:

Reality's quite interesting, eh? LOL

Because this is truly a... what do you say in Afrikaans... a Noodgeval

Edited August 6, 2008 at 09:18 PM by Love,

[Nikosn17]

Oh my... I can't believe what some of you said... about Love being on this board. What the hell is that? Do you really believe Celine has always been 100% honest ? No one of you guys (unless you are not in her familly) knows her. It's a complete mistake to judge for a person just from his/her public appearances. I know that Celine has been doing this since she was a kid but come on. You can't be honest all the time in front of the cameras. We don't know her. + I can say that her lipping is her not being honest. I'm not saying that she is always like that or something like that but I guess sometimes there is a fake mask she use in front of the cameras. For example do you really think that she is honest while crying at the end of every ''My Love'' performance? She has a certain image and more or less she has to follow it.

LOL! Ding! Ding! Ding!

You're on the money!

 

You know what's funny?

 

After not having slept for 20 hours and having arrived late to the Munich Olympiastadion... as soon as I sat down to watch the concert, she began "My Love." It was the moment where I sat down and tried to compose myself after having flown two planes, ridden a 50-Euro taxi ride from the airport, wandered around the park to find the stadium, and been escorted by a security agent with two baggages on me. THAT was the song that I wanted to hear LIVE. So I sat there, and enjoyed every moment of it. BUT at the end, as soon as I saw a glimpse her little twinkly eyes look as though it's an infant crawling and mommy is calling, I just looked away. The reason I looked away was to keep myself from laughing. I knew that the ending would ruin the whole performance for me. It's so staged. It's so awkward. It looks like she's being hypnotized or an alien abduction ready to happen!

 

If anything, it's like... "Someone, please apply some eyedrops in my eyes!"

 

True.I'm glad you are keeping it real. She really needs to let herself go on the stage to be more free. Not everything has to be 100% directed. That's why I like ''Man's World'' cause it's less directed and it's different everytime. And I think Vegas has to do a lot with this cause she wasn't like that before. I guess repeating one thing more than 700 times made her a little robotic.

[sean83]

I never understood those discussions about the use of playback... but I need to add my opinion although it is not important.

 

 

I know ONE big thing about Céline Dion, we ALL know... she wants to be nearly perfect and that's the reputation she has worldwide, all the media call her a great vocalist, wonderful singer, soft songs with orgasmic showdowns, interesting facial expressions, not much in the media with silly stuff but always when I read any article about her shows, they say that it was perfect and ended after 90 minutes, and were planned from the first to the last.

I once heard someone say, that he would love to see Céline "human" and making a mistake...

 

So what will be, if TPOL sounds great and is followed by an awesome IACBTMN?

Would you love her as much as before?

Would you go to her next concert?

Or does she need to shave her hair off?

 

Do you love your perfect Céline?

So you should love her for her need to stay that perfect and with this perfection, she may sometimes need to do playbacks to stay where and what she is...

Simply PERFECT

Simply Céline

Simply one of the greatest voices in the world

 

And those playbacks are only the expression of the pressure we fans and the rest of the world exert on her, remember that once a finished Vegas DVD was canceled just as her hair was short and blond... I think we should be appreciative of those decisions, they might tell us a little more about the person behind the singer:

 

a tiny girl with big anxieties

that just fights for getting or keeping the love of the audience

 

[thank you for reading my unimportant opinion ]

[Love,]

And those playbacks are only the expression of the pressure we fans and the rest of the world exert on her, remember that once a finished Vegas DVD was canceled just as her hair was short and blond... I think we should be appreciative of those decisions, they might tell us a little more about the person behind the singer...

a tiny girl with big anxieties

that just fights for getting or keeping the love of the audience

 

[thank you for reading my unimportant opinion ]

 

Thanks for your opinion.

 

I must say that the reason they canceled the previously-finished DVD was not just because of her custard-lady hair.

 

There were many reasons behind it, including the fact that the show's contract was extended for an additional two years, and putting out a DVD of the show might hurt attendance. In addition, the newly-revised show, with the addition of the proper opener "A New Day Has Come," with her French greatest hit "Pour que tu m'aime encore," with new costumes and choreography, with a Las Vegasy "All the Way" with Frankie, AND the addition of the Grease-like production of "River Deep, Mountain High" in Celine's showgirl dress totalllllly kicked the old DVD's arse!

 

In addition, they wanted a keepsake - not just like any other concert DVD.

I'm so glad they canned the old one...

Edited August 6, 2008 at 09:43 PM by Love,

[nuts2you]

Well, the truth will came out on the 12th of this month. can"t wait.

[Love,]

Well, the truth will came out on the 12th of this month. can"t wait.

Right.

 

So, what exactly is happening on the 12th?

 

Can you look into the crystal ball and tell us all?

 

Edited August 6, 2008 at 09:53 PM by Love,

[Alex_Incognito]

How can everyone call this tour crap when she lipped during Vegas? People would lay down for Vegas and jump up and down for it---when parts of it were lipped too! How come people didn't lose sleep at night over this?

 

It's a concert. People need to quit pretending to be experts and part of Celine's team---that gets old.

 

And as for the AND DVD----I think the blond Celine DVD would have been better. She looked SEVERELY bored on several of the songs and her makeup wasn't as well as I'd seen before. She looked tired as hell, but in the older clips she looked rejuvinated and happy. "Et, je t'aime encore" seemed like a more intimate moment than "Pour que tu m'aimes encore." "All The Way" has been beaten to death! After the CBS Special in 1999 and the Millennium Concert--I think we've seen enough footage of it. "River Deep, Mountain High" was the only major improvement. If you want to HEAR a quality concert, listen to "A l'Olympia." Yes it's in French, but I think a true Celine Dion fan would enjoy it. (Learn French if that's the problem!)!!!!

 

RIP, Vegas!!!! On to bigger and better projects.

 

Hopefully on this DVD we won't see fans that go to every show and not know any of the words and only have the "All The Way...A Decade of Song" CD. Je m'en fous!!!!

 

I'm SURE that the DVD of this tour will be new and exciting and completely refreshing.

Edited August 6, 2008 at 10:13 PM by Alex_Incognito

[lindsey22]

TIME OUT!

Everybody needs a reality check here.

 

First let's just put things into perspective here shall we.

A little article comes out in some OBSCURE Belgian (or whatever) tabloid (or whatever) and everyone is having a hissy fit and over-reacting either one way or another.

What DRAMA QUEENS we have here on the board.

Some need to chill the heck out.

 

First of all this insignificant paper has absolutely NO influence on anyone/anything and this story isn't going no where fast!

And to boot it's not even written in English.

Geez it's not like it's the friggin New York Times or something people.

The enterainment industry doesn't give a rat's behind if Celine Dion lip synchs at her concert. To them shes irrelevant anyway. hellooo.....

some of you get too carried away.

 

Next, i am appauled at some of the extremist over-reacting . Its not like its something we never knew before.

So what if Celine lip-synchs. Its the way of the music industry's concerts these days.

Janet Jackson, Madonna, Beyonce, JLO, all do it. So does alot of other singers that got their fame from singing like Tony Braxton, mariah, etc etc...

 

The way the music industry has evolved is that singers earn their income through touring and giving concerts these days, NOT by selling CD's or records.

 

That's why the focus is on Celine's new sexed-up hot image. It's all about show and visuals these days. A polished slick presentation. And Celine, like it or not, has to evolve with everybody else or get left behind. Stop blaming her already!

This is unbelievable. I can't belive what i am hearing /reading here.

 

There are disgruntled fans blaming Celine because they travelled halfway around the world to Europe and somehow they can't justify their travelling expenditures/costs to the show they got. Honey it's time to get a reality check. Thats' on you, NOT Celine.

I hate to break it to you but if you have to see the concert a million times or travel to another continent to see the same show repeatedly then you have only yourself to blame. Don't start blaming Celine because you don't feel you got your money's worth. She can't customize the show solely to please you no matter how far you've travelled or how much your tickets and hotel costed.

 

Now I must admit i was a bit tiffed that they didn't abandon the AND las Vegas playback tapes and make a fresh start. It was the perfect chance and timing. She gets to be fresh again and the show getting an overhaul. especually sticking with the theme 'taking chances' ...

This way after recording of the AND DVD they could have laid fresh new tracks if they needed to do playback. But It seems that her team gets into a comfort zone and are quite frankly 'lazy' to bother caring , and i suspect that they don't think /know that discerning fans are giving this as much scrutiny as they do. these are not exactly internet-savy people. They are just totally unaware and off on a different tangent.

 

And Celine herself admittingly doesn't place priority on the shows or her voice anymore because of Rene Charles, so in some ways her new family have become both a blessing and a curse. The one constant in all of this is Rene's greed as a manager to make as much money as possible in every aspect of Celine's career even at the expense of her artistry and that's a shame and Celine will never care as much ever again about her career because for her now her soul and heart just isn't in it anymore. So what are we to do. Get rude/ arrogant/ frustrated, disrepectful towards her? NO.

 

It still shocked me when she revealed launching immediately into a world tour immediately after AND without having a proper rest and now its taking its toll on her voice/singing. Not to mention she refuses to do any sort of voice training anymore. Well no wonder she can't hit the high notes anymore.

 

So why do they insist on including those old songs, Wanna know why? Because of people like ourselves / yourselves (her fans) who come on on Oprah and talk about how "special" BYLM and MHWGO is to them. It's because of people like yourselves who when asked what songs they would like to have on a greatest hits CD, are still wanting MHWGO and BYLM and ABM!!!!

Some of you need to examine y'all selves because alot of you are two-faced.

Stop blaming Celine. Take what she has to offer or walk away. No one's forcing you.

[Alex_Incognito]

^^^ I agree with you, except for your opinion non-anglophone languages.

[lindsey22]

^^^ I agree with you, except for your opinion non-anglophone languages.

yes i know but it's just a fact.

Edited August 6, 2008 at 10:23 PM by lindsey22

[Alex_Incognito]

You sure you're not in the USA? lol

 

 

 

Not everyone secretly knows english. Other languages are not a code of english!

Sorry---into linguistics and that makes me want to jump from my window!

[Alex_Incognito]

So, what exactly is happening on the 12th?

 

Can you look into the crystal ball and tell us all?

 

[/color]

 

12 August = Celine's first date on the North American leg of her tour.

[P@ulin@]

I agree with Lindsey22 in 100%!!!!! Great post! Bravo!!!!!

[lindsey22]

You sure you're not in the USA? lol

 

 

 

Not everyone secretly knows english. Other languages are not a code of english!

Sorry---into linguistics and that makes me want to jump from my window!

this is not a 'lingustics' discussion alex.

the music industry's markets that really make or break an artist is USA. And the language of USA happens to be English. Trust me anything generating out of foreign markets /languages are not going to impact anything.

[Galuush]

Lindsey I totally agree with you!!

[Alex_Incognito]

Sorry! I just call 'em as I see 'em!

But back to your post, I do agree with the general idea.

[ImAliveUK]

good post - im with you on that one!

[fred]

So why do they insist on including those old songs, Wanna know why? Because of people like ourselves / yourselves (her fans) who come on on Oprah and talk about how "special" BYLM and MHWGO is to them. It's because of people like yourselves who when asked what songs they would like to have on a greatest hits CD, are still wanting MHWGO and BYLM and ABM!!!!

Some of you need to examine y'all selves because alot of you are two-faced.

Stop blaming Celine. Take what she has to offer or walk away. No one's forcing you.

Oh gosh yes! I was just giving the thread about favourite songs of the tour a look, and I was - just like that, people keep pointing out the oldies as their favourites, while the majority still whines about them being there. Céline fans = hypocrites... could very well be.

 

/fred

Edited August 6, 2008 at 11:20 PM by fred

[Ted]

I agree with post of lindsey22.

This thread should be locked!