Céline under attack for using playback

[Jacqui]

There is a new video on Team Celine which has her singing BYLM without any music. So Celine has not lost her voice or anything like that. Her voice sounds amazing and she does not need to use playback all the time with her voice sounding like that;-)

 

where is that video? I can't find it?

 

Team Celine. "In Her Own Words."

[Davey84]

thanks Jacqui! I didn't see the news, cos I went straight to TC

[MartinMunich]

I adore this woman. Being able to witness her vocal ability live is truly stunning - and I've been lucky enough to do so a few times in my life. Listening to live performances at her vocal peak will always keep my a Celine Dion fan....

 

With that said, it makes me a little sick to see how many songs are lipped. Yes - it's still amazing to be at her show - with the lights, energy, and with her RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. And I'm so grateful for the songs she sings live - and the huge energy she has throughout the show. And I would gladly forgive her for a couple of playback songs - to give herself a break, keep her vocal chords in decent shape for the rest of the shows, etc. - but I'm so bitterly unhappy about the amount of playback she's using. It will not keep me from going to the shows, or buying tickets - but it does make me question the amount of thinking Celine herself does about her career.

 

If I were her, I would cut out the playback completely. And if she has to keep some, RE-RECORD NEW PLAYBACK. I would create a medley of The Power of Love, To Love You More, I Drove All Night, and It's All Coming Back To Me Now. My Heart Will Go On should be live - people expect to hear this song, and she can get through it. OR make a movie-song medley like her CBS special in 2002.

 

Cut out any other songs that playback and replace them with simpler songs. All By Myself revolved around that ONE note - and it's LIPPED - so cut the song if she can't hit it. "Something" from her CBS special this year would be a stunning, simple addition (like "Because" during her LTAL tour).

 

Her team AND Celine need to realize that this can all be fixed with rather simple changes - considering the amount of damage it COULD do - and is beginning to happen already.

 

Think so too - I think to add one or two songs with some "extreme" vocal action would be enough - but do those live.

The direction she went with this new album was partly great - funny enough, I think that the ballads are the weakest tracks on the CD - except "My love" and "I got nothing left" - stunning songs. Eitherway, she sounds kinda easy and confident on the album - perfect for where she stands right now, for her age....

But they lost confidence in the new direction way too fast - don´t get it why.

 

Instead of taking it to a next level where she can transport the message she sent out before the tour that she is doing things because she loves to, not because she has to prove anything, they did the complete opposite.

 

As we wouldn´t say things the way we said them 15 years ago it is probably the same with a singer - Celine wouldn´t sing "My heart will go on" the same way she used to back in 99.

Aren´t we all waiting for her interpretation being the woman that she is now, with all her experience, all her strength?

 

No need to hit the high extreme notes in every song - she is human, her body changes, her voice changes, but this does not mean it is not good anymore. The opposite is the case - I think she has never sounded better - if she is doing her thing LIVE.

 

No wonder that the critics claim that she sounds cold - how can a tape possibly touch you in any way?

[Jan]

Enjoy the steak!

 

Verdict for ALONE:

 

Sources -

Dublin:

Berlin:

 

Verdict for RIVER DEEP, MOUNTAIN HIGH:

 

Sources -

Vienna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YxAQ3qYsPM

Munich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEnEEM-FvE

 

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It's funny to see how people waste their time on such nonsense things. These vidoes don't prove anything. Since they are very bad quality, it is not too "reasonable" and "logical" to conclude that they are the same.

[pat200]

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Exactelly - I think her voice has aged very well and I think she actually sounds better and warmer than ever.

 

She had more range and power in the past but yes, her present voice has more emotional resonance.

 

 

Actually her range is bigger now. She is hitting low notes she couldn't hit 10 years ago, all the while able to sing the same high notes (even though some are screamed out, but the ones that are belted are out of this world and better than any other singer alive)

[MartinMunich]

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Exactelly - I think her voice has aged very well and I think she actually sounds better and warmer than ever.

 

She had more range and power in the past but yes, her present voice has more emotional resonance.

 

 

Actually her range is bigger now. She is hitting low notes she couldn't hit 10 years ago, all the while able to sing the same high notes (even though some are screamed out, but the ones that are belted are out of this world and better than any other singer alive)

 

We haven´t heared one high LIVE note recently though - at least not during this tour.

[idroveallnight]

After just watching Celine on ET, this whole playback issue is so stupid. 90% of what they showed was live and it sounded way better than what Madonna and Janet Jackson were doing on stage.

[MartinMunich]

After just watching Celine on ET, this whole playback issue is so stupid. 90% of what they showed was live and it sounded way better than what Madonna and Janet Jackson were doing on stage.

 

So what - my grandma sounds better than Janet Jackson.

 

This does not change the fact (and it is a fact - not an assumption) that Celine is lipsynching a major part of her concert.

Edited August 8, 2008 at 03:04 PM by MartinMunich

[tonybower]

My biggest fear is that, just like what happened recently with the ACDC cover fiasco, other normally Celine-ignorant papers and magazines will seize upon this issue and blow it right out of proportion. They will do this simply because there is nothing else to talk about and because, for the most part, journalists and critics love to slate Celine. What worries me most is that, just like Callas before her, Celine will be criticised for not quitting whilst at the top of her game. Callas continued to sing even when her voice was gone and although she is still remembered as a legend, people also remember her demise.

 

Some might scoff at any comparison to Callas but if this discussion goes any further I fear that Celine's whole career will be called into question and she will be remembered as the controversial mime-artist instead of the phenomenal singing force she was and, for many, still is. This would be a terrible shame. And if I seem to be over-reacting I have witnessed first hand the negative effects of careless and senationalist journalism. Whilst many of us devoted fans can still appreciate Celine for what she is/was, the average person (and especially those who are already reluctant to give Celine the slightest credit) will read a tiny article in the paper demonising her use of playback and be permanently biased against her. They will think "Celine Dion? Isn't she the one who mimed all her songs?" Unless somebody cares to remind them (and this I find hard to believe) they will quickly forget the incredible Oscars performances, the Grammy performances and all the other earth-shattering live moments we all enjoy from Celine. Nobody can deny (not even the disappointingly critical and mean-minded members of this forum) that for every mimed performance, there is an equally stunning if not more mind-blowing live performance available on youtube.

 

I have always said that Celine's use of playback worries me and that I would love to hear her sing The Power Of Love 100% live just one more time. But playback is nothing new. In the past 95% of her shows where live and faultless. It's sad that today only 75% of the show is live. But that is still an impressive figure and compared to many other artists, quite unique. And even if Celine's talent is singing rather than dancing or writing music, playback is surely essential when you have just finished 5 years in Las Vegas and are now embarking on a very gruelling and demanding 14-month live tour! Maybe, like other singers, Celine should appear a couple of times every other year. Maybe then she will sing every note live. But she has chosen to do this tour and I would love to see any other singer whose voice is no longer at its peak, take on such a challenge and sing every note live. I doubt it will ever happen. Those of you who disagree can simply choose not to attend a show if you feel cheated. But I for one have loved having the opportunity to see my favourite singer after so many years and am thankful for the tour. And whilst I really expected to be disappointed, I can honestly say that I would do it all again. The live moments (of which there are many) are truly amazing. And by designating a song as lipped even though only one note or one chorus is lipped then even the fan-critics are misrepresenting the issue: Taking Chances and All By Myself are stunning performances.

 

What disappoints me the most is that some of her biggest critics are in this forum. People who choose to spend time in here to criticise and condemn and make this matter worse. Every one is entitled to an opinion and by all means freely express your unhappiness with the playback. But I get the impression that certain members have been turned against Celine, claim to no longer have respect for her, which begs the question why do you still use this forum? It does annoy me to hear some fans refuse to recognise Celine's use of playback but what annoys me the most are those cruel and vindictive members who seem to get pleasure from annihilating her current career choices. If nothing else, it is as equally tragic as those who follow blindly. And people might start to think you have ulterior motives...!

 

Celine has been 'exposed' because of more advanced technology and sites such as youtube. This was inevitable. Maybe this will mean that Celine will make more careful decisions in the future and perform live, if less frequently. But I can't help but feel that the video in question was put together by a 'jealous' fan of another singer. Why else would anybody spend time creating such a video? Whatever the reason, this video (like one I saw comparing performances of TPOL) which claims to be an objective exposure of the truth is nothing more than an anti-Celine campaign. And with such people out there, with predatory journalists just waiting to be part of another celebrity's downfall, do we really need to do their job for them?

 

Hopefully this little contoversy will disappear with little trace, or critics will still be wise enough to recognise Celine's talent. But with friends like certain members of this forum, who needs enemies?

Edited August 8, 2008 at 04:08 PM by tonybower

[GoldenLeaf]

Enjoy the steak!

 

Verdict for ALONE:

 

Sources -

Dublin:

Berlin:

 

Verdict for RIVER DEEP, MOUNTAIN HIGH:

 

Sources -

Vienna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YxAQ3qYsPM

Munich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEnEEM-FvE

 

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It's funny to see how people waste their time on such nonsense things. These vidoes don't prove anything. Since they are very bad quality, it is not too "reasonable" and "logical" to conclude that they are the same.

Exactly! The sound quality is so crappy. It's difficult to hear if these 2 two songs sound exactly the same or not.

Edited August 8, 2008 at 04:10 PM by Calypso

[Nmj]

BYLM is live and sounds great on this tour!

[Chin]

This is not the first time...

During the LTAL tour, Celine was under attack for using playback, am I correct?

[SensationalCeline]

OMG, their still ragging her about this. They seriously need to lay off. This shows what a waste of lives some people have if they can go around trying to dig up dirt to prove that Celine lips her songs. Give it a rest already!!!!!

[tonybower]

Regardless of any negative criticism, we still have certain people who continually champion our Celine. Sir George Martin, David Foster and other produces will always be able to testify to Celine's ability. And then of course, there is Cher and Shania Twain who have both expressed very sincerely and respectfully, their admiration for Celine and her talent. I can't remember their words exactly but didn't Shania say something about Celine being the voice of a generation and didn't Cher express her disbelief at the wonderful things Celine can do with her voice?

 

I think these comments, coming from colleagues and contemporaries, are more telling than any comment or video made by jealous or bitter haters.

Edited August 8, 2008 at 04:34 PM by tonybower

[mickle07]

I'm pretty sure the high note before the second chorus in "Alone" is live. And there are quite a few high notes in "My Love", "It's a Man's World" and "River Deep, Mountain High" which are 100% LIVE. Edited August 8, 2008 at 06:05 PM by mickle07

[Celcool]

Oh... it's not that bad...

She only lips half of the time! :sofunny:

 

 

All the songs in red are lipped.

 

Video introduction: "I Drove All Night" (remix)

"I Drove All Night"

"The Power of Love"

"Taking Chances"

"It's All Coming Back to Me Now"

"Because You Loved Me"

"To Love You More"

"Eyes on Me"

"All by Myself"

"I'm Alive" (remix)

"Shadow of Love"

"I'm Your Angel"

"Alone"

"Pour que tu m'aimes encore"

"My Love"

"The Prayer" (with Andrea Bocelli)

"We Will Rock You"

"The Show Must Go On"

"It's a Man's Man's Man's World"

"Love Can Move Mountains"

"River Deep, Mountain High" (encore)

"My Heart Will Go On" (encore)

Damn, I had no idea. I feel cheated to be honest. It was my first Celine concert and I expected to hear her current voice. Can't believe I didn't hear All By Myself, The Show Must Go On, Alone etc. and those other older songs of hers I love live. I'm disappointed in Celine.

[nuts2you]

I could agree with you Tony, If I can win tickets from a radio station, this will be MY FIRST CELINE CONCERT, PLUS MY 40th b-day.

[Celcool]

And it's disgusting how she can lip a big note, then everyone stands up and gives her a freaking 5 minute ovation for faking a song. That's cheap, and not acceptable. I'm not asking her to stop forever, as I said, one or two songs wouldn't be a big deal. It's obvious you can't sing everything live all the time, but this is just unacceptable.

I clapped like crazy and now I know it was for playback. How can she accept all the clapping and praise without feeling bad about herself for doing this?

 

 

That preservation thing has gotten out of hand. LOL

 

So, meanwhile, I want to do a little reflection.

 

I want to share with you a bit about a person named Martina McBride.

 

 

This is a woman whom I've been a fan of for 13 years. She was the artist that inspired me to become an admirer of Celine.

 

Yes, she was proclaimed by people on planet Earth as "The Celine Dion of Country Music."

She's got killer pipes, stage presence, a deep connection with her audience, and such a warm spirit - like Celine

 

Many of us here have seen or heard her perform. I don't think I've ever seen her lip a single note for an in-person performance. The only time she lips is for a commercial music video. LOL

 

I've had the honor of witnessing her perform a concert last year. I was in tears watching and listening to her. I was so moved by the beauty of her voice because I sat there feeling her honest energy, her honest voice, her honest struggles, and her true power. I knew she was giving her ALL for that moment, for the people who traveled near and far, and who came to spend the evening with her. Why And when she finished performing, in full glory and power, some of her great hits like the emotionally moving "Anyway," the heartbreaking "Concrete Angel" or the earth-moving "Where Would You Be," the crowd were up on their feet for minutes and minutes! And she was up there smiling non-stop, bowing, wiping tears from her eyes, drinking lots of water, and catching her breath - because she truly knew that "she did it."

 

Martina been in the media spotlight since 1992, yet, she has sung literally her whole life. Martina is now 42 years old. And she appears on more award shows than most entertainers (she's almost everywhere LOL) and goes on tour after tour after tour. Her concerts normally are 20-song sets, and she sings each song completely live from beginning to end. She rarely cut songs, so she would sing them in their entirety. Personally, what I feel about Martina is that going to her concerts, every penny is well-spent and I would even give her some tip because she's so damn amazing! :wub: :laugh:

 

Witness Martina -

 

Larry King Live - Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v6whwKMzHk

 

"Where Would You Be" Live at CMT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I_SzSKg5KU

 

"Anyway" Live at American Idol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZetFOjSMWKY

 

"Somewhere Over the Rainbow" Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxrDIcfOZg

 

"In My Daughter's Eyes" Live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLS0Y40WwlA

 

"Concrete Angel" Live at the Grammys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9VHl9zbCjY

 

I love Martina! Now as big of a fan as I am of Celine's but I really like her voice and some songs. Thanks for those videos!

 

 

I just hope every can stay in topic, also I think comparing Celine with others is unfair. Why not compare with Mariah, Madonna or even Britney. BTW, nobody knows Martina outside the US, sad but true.

I know her and I'm not from US. I'm an exception, I think. The fact that she's not known all over the world has nothing to do with the lipping thing though. I applaud Martina for staying true to her adoring fans and giving them what they paid for and what they expect from her. It's what Celine should do.

Edited August 8, 2008 at 08:02 PM by Celcool

[Rossum89]

All By Myself is not lipped, nor is Alone or Eyes On Me.

[Kristinaz]

^From what I've gathered from people here most of Alone is live except the end(although to me it always sounded like she'd lowered the note in the end when comparing it to the CD) same with ABM it's only the high note that seems lipped as for Eyes on me IMO it sounds too perfect and the same in every botleg and from what I can gather when she sings live you can tell it's live and it usually can you hear the differences. Again I'm not trained to tell live from playback but there's times you can tell but alot of what I'm saying now is from what I've read from others here not my personal verdict. Edited August 8, 2008 at 08:21 PM by Kristinaz

[Alex_Incognito]

As I said before,

 

In 1986 Barbra Streisand (then 44) did her One Voice TV special---her first concert in 20 years and naturally there was a lot of coverage. Barbra is an excellent performer, but also likes perfection. She she fixed any of the notes in the TV special she didn't like and re-recorded them. When HBO released the special people came out of the woodwork when they noticed two different vocals for the same performance (when compared to the news clips).

 

Rumours swirled that she had LOST her voice. Her record company wasn't happy.

 

So they released footage of her in the recording studio with performances for her next album (which was aborted after). And that solved that problem.

 

Celine is NOWHERE NEAR losing her voice. She can sing anything she wants to. She BLOWS us away in the studio, but live she changes the key a little bit. Why? You try BELTING for 2 hours. Good luck! We CAN SEE the proof that her voice is GOLDEN thanks to the DVD of the "Taking Chances" sessions.

 

Any Tony, your post was MARVELOUS. I totally agree with you, especially on why people would take the time to "prove" Celine wrong. I encourage people to take up hobbies!

[Kristinaz]

Ok I just watched RDMH in Nice...maybe I was wrong maybe it's not lipped....ugh now I'm just confused w/e it doesn't matter what she sings live and what she doesn't I don't really care, I just like seeing what parts are live ad what aren't and this isn't just for Celine I'm talking about all my favourite artists.

[tonybower]

All By Myself, Alone and Taking Chances are all live except for one note or one chorus respectively. Highlighting these songs as playback is very deceptive and almost as untenable as the playback itslef. These performances are always breathtaking and should not be undermined by the careless misrepresentation of certain members.

 

It's All Coming Back To Me Now, To Love You More, I Drove All Night, Eyes On Me and My Heart Will Go On are all 100% playback. No question about it.

 

At the same time Think Twice, The Prayer, Fade Away, I'm Alive, Because You Loved Me, all French songs and My Love are all 100% live and all are truly mind-blowing! I would pay to see these songs alone!

 

As for the soul section, It's A Man's World is sheer magic. I always thought The Show Must Go On was live. I still do. I am reluctant to watch the videos, not because I am scared to be proven wrong, but because I really can't handle the thought of spending time watching and comparing like all the other Celine-haters have done because that is exactly what they want! Even if it is not live, we have all heard her perform it live and it sounds great.

 

Personally I believe River Deep, Mountain High is still live. It sounds different to AND and there are always slight nuances. I just think this is one of the songs she has sang a million times and which her voice is perfectly suited to. I doubt it is lipped, certainly not in full.

 

All in all, this makes for a healthy live performance. Very few songs are completely playback and, even if many will still feel cheated by a lipped verse or two, the songs which are only partially lipped are still incredible in the live parts.

 

I even love the tiny live introduciton to The Power Of Love... I just wish she would do it completley live one more time...!

 

All By Myself is not lipped, nor is Alone or Eyes On Me.

 

 

^From what I've gathered from people here most of Alone is live except the end(although to me it always sounded like she'd lowered the note in the end when comparing it to the CD) same with ABM it's only the high note that seems lipped as for Eyes on me IMO it sounds too perfect and the same in every botleg and from what I can gather when she sings live you can tell it's live and it usually can you hear the differences. Again I'm not trained to tell live from playback but there's times you can tell but alot of what I'm saying now is from what I've read from others here not my personal verdict.

 

 

Ok I just watched RDMH in Nice...maybe I was wrong maybe it's not lipped....ugh now I'm just confused w/e it doesn't matter what she sings live and what she doesn't I don't really care, I just like seeing what parts are live ad what aren't and this isn't just for Celine I'm talking about all my favourite artists.

[Love,]

I guess we have a new crop of Celine fanatics and SCFs who have been waiting and boiling their pots for days to finally come on here to express their views.

 

BRAVO! :lol:

Edited August 9, 2008 at 04:47 AM by Love,

[Love,]

Any Tony, your post was MARVELOUS. I totally agree with you, especially on why people would take the time to "prove" Celine wrong. I encourage people to take up hobbies!

I assume this one is not direct towards moi, but I must clarify that it's not time-consuming for me to be on this thread and to give my viewpoints, opinion and insights... it's just the fun of being a forumer.

 

IN REAL LIFE: I have plenty of hobbies, things to do, talents, skills, a LIFE, many people I love and people who love me - and some successes, including my career and ambitions.

 

 

It's funny to see how people waste their time on such nonsense things. These vidoes don't prove anything. Since they are very bad quality, it is not too "reasonable" and "logical" to conclude that they are the same.

Exactly! The sound quality is so crappy. It's difficult to hear if these 2 two songs sound exactly the same or not.

Well, we're all entitled to our beliefs and opinions.

 

I'm NOT Bennybay, and I'm NOT gonna spend my time to perfect a lip-synching proof video...

 

Take it whatever way you want...

Have fun

Edited August 9, 2008 at 05:13 AM by Love,

[CelineFanInSoCal]

I kinda thought about not replying to this post at all, but all "back and forth action" has gotten me hot for a reply! LOL

 

I agree with Sopha... some folks do need to get their head outta the clouds or sand or wherever they are. There's a new generation of folks who can match youtube vids and post a video reply in less than 7 minutes; def. not time consuming. Just admit it: someone has provided more proof/evidence in support of the thread's original topic. Bravo, Sopha.

 

Bottom line, if she's going to remain an awesome performer, she does need to refresh things a little and rething what's going on during her shows. She's in some degree of control, and so is everyone else who's involved.

 

 

I have yet to purchase tickets to any of her shows here in California, and doubt I will go. It's cheaper to wait for a DVD of the show and just "playback her playback", rather than pay so much money just to see her pretend to be interested in a track that she's been lipping to for almost 15 years. Imagine taking someone to one of her shows and having them realize that she's lip syncing... embarrassing, and it's happened to me before. [Vegas and the CBS Special taping]

 

I still love listening to her stuff and still consider her to be my number one favorite performer. I'm just not going to move heaven and earth to see her live, when she will be lipping to tracks that I've already seen her lip to in previous years...

 

If the media is truly going to attack her, then let them... we call it freedom of speech. We have than here in America, and I am proud of it. If other folks aren't so easy going with those freedoms, then aaaaaaaaahhhhhh well! American audiences aren't as cool with lip syncing as other countries may be. Also, as someone's mentioned; all the technology that's available to the everyday consumer is mind blowing and can totally expose this type of thing. Celine, Inc. needs to catch up with the times and realize we've caught on... so now let them catch up to use and our expectations of Celine, the performer. And yes, we are allowed to have expectation of Celine, the performer, as we are people who are giving her our hard earned money in return for something; that "something" that we're expecting in regards to the Taking Chances Tour is a LIVE performance. In good faith, when an artist sets out on tour, the performances are understood to be live, considering we're seeing the performer live. It's no an unreasonable expectation. And with this ever-growing list of obviously lipped or semi-lipped songs on the se-list, we're apparently not getting what we're paying for. It's not like we're paying for an audience with the queen or something. We're paying for a live vocal performance by the top selling female artist, and deserve just that. Bottom line.

 

And finally, SHAZZZZAAAAAM!

 

I just had to add something funny-ish to get me smiling before I log off for the night.

 

Adios!

[Love,]

OMG, I would love to respond in detail, but I'm off to take care of a family member for the night.

 

I just want to say, as well...

Shaaaaaaaazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam!!!!

 

HAHAHA

 

Wow, ROB, Your post is

 

sizzzzzling... h o t!

 

:w00t:

 

:laugh:

 

I'm glad that you see the BIG PICTURE of all of this, and that's great!

 

 

Edited August 9, 2008 at 06:18 AM by Love,

[Kristinaz]

All By Myself, Alone and Taking Chances are all live except for one note or one chorus respectively. Highlighting these songs as playback is very deceptive and almost as untenable as the playback itslef. These performances are always breathtaking and should not be undermined by the careless misrepresentation of certain members.

 

It's All Coming Back To Me Now, To Love You More, I Drove All Night, Eyes On Me and My Heart Will Go On are all 100% playback. No question about it.

 

At the same time Think Twice, The Prayer, Fade Away, I'm Alive, Because You Loved Me, all French songs and My Love are all 100% live and all are truly mind-blowing! I would pay to see these songs alone!

 

I agree with all 3 of those quotes.

 

As for the soul section, It's A Man's World is sheer magic. I always thought The Show Must Go On was live. I still do. I am reluctant to watch the videos, not because I am scared to be proven wrong, but because I really can't handle the thought of spending time watching and comparing like all the other Celine-haters have done because that is exactly what they want! Even if it is not live, we have all heard her perform it live and it sounds great.

 

I've never payed attention to The Show Must Go On and It's A Man's World but they always sounded live from the clips I've heard but again never payed attention.

 

Personally I believe River Deep, Mountain High is still live. It sounds different to AND and there are always slight nuances. I just think this is one of the songs she has sang a million times and which her voice is perfectly suited to. I doubt it is lipped, certainly not in full.

I've always though this wasn't live but after I watched what happened in Nice I was just like ya ok that's definitly live.

[Bellamy]

I think there's no need to use big font, red color, repeating text in every post to emphasize yourself, no matter your point is right or wrong.

[tonybower]

I think it has become far too easy to simply dismiss anybody who defends Celine as being a fanatic and SCF, just as it is easy to accuse the video-compilers of having no life.

 

It's these kinds of comments which get "pots boiling" on both sides and result in a string of petty name calling and repetitive posts.

 

I would like to think my posts were balanced and open-minded. I consider myself to be a huge fan of Celine but I am not an SCF or fanatic. I know she uses playback more and more lately and I disagree with it. I don't need a youtube video to prove it to me. But I also know that a healthy portion of the show is live and impressive. What worries me is that, as usually happens with the media, the issue will be picked up, resized and reshaped, turned into something extremely unpleasant and Celine's name will be tarnished forever.

 

And great! Let the media do what it will... After all, we have free speech!! Well, I think a lot of us know by now that when facts and truths are used and then distorted, exaggerated and seasoned with the occasional bare-faced lie, then it is really quite hard to defend. Surely this is not what free-speech is about! Already, we have misrepresentation in this forum, so just think what the papers could and will do, given half a chance.

 

Like everybody else, Celine's use of playback leaves me feeling deflated and slightly disappointed. And whilst I don't agree with it, I do not think that we as fans should be feeding Celine to the sharks... Is her 'offence' really all that bad, when all is said and done? It hasn't happened yet, and maybe it won't (I pray it doesn't), but whilst I'm happy to read everybody's viewpoint, I am conscious of the fact that the media is capable of awful things and I don't think any of us want to see Celine's reputation potentially ruined for the sake of a few lipped songs, especially considering the possible reasons for it.

Edited August 9, 2008 at 11:24 AM by tonybower