Céline under attack for using playback

[dirrtydavid]

I dont think i could sing all those songs every night for over a 100 concerts live. I think she does it because if her voice goes then she would have to cancel quite a few concerts and Celine would never want to let her fans down after travelling a long way to see her and spending hard earned money on tickets. I feel that she is being very respectful to her faithful fans and knows that they go out of their way to see her and Celine wants to provide an amzing show.

 

No one is forcing all these tour dates upon her, imho it comes down to how much money her team can get. Not Celine, but her management team. She spent exactly half of May on stage, and September she's performing 17 days out of 30, other months are not that far behind.....

[SensationalCeline]

True. What days she performs may also depend on what the weather is like where she is at at the time also.

[MartinMunich]

I don´t think anybody thinks that Celine has lost her voice - her vocal abilities are still amazing. Much better than before in my opinion.

 

But she is filling her 90 concert minutes with way too much lipsynching. In all difficult parts the tape jumps in.

She mimes the opening. She mimes her signature songs. She mimes her biggest hit which is also the closing of the show.

I don´t think it can get worse.

 

It is funny that some people would be even satisfied if she would have bothered to record new tapes

 

But the cruel truth is:

 

She has not bothered at all to deliver any sort of qualitiy. She is not only dishing out old arrangements but old tapes with her voice sounding the way she sounded 15 years ago.

Some people here make it seem that such behaviour is common - it is NOT - of course not.

I know you all love her (I do - well, did, till I saw the last concert) but can love really make that blind?

 

Other artist rearrange their songs every time they go on tour and other artists don´t mime at LIVE shows. (and please don´t quote Britney - she is not an artist imo). Celine is a singer and is famous for her voice - so people pay the hell a lot of money to hear her LIVE, not old TAPES!!

 

She has to be damn carefull - some call her the "Queen of cheating and lipsynching" already.

Given the current show - maybe she deserves that title.

Edited August 11, 2008 at 08:53 AM by MartinMunich

[Prince Whiskers]

and she took one day of voice lessons her whole career--and that was the very beginning.

 

Didn't her teacher tell Babs that she didn't know how to re-sing a song using the exact same notes? Celine can or.....could.

[CelineFanInSoCal]

Ok... ok... ok... I read the posts that came after my last post on here...

 

Right now my heart is thumping so hard, it feels like it's in my throat, and I feel like crying a little...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I63WOL-krb8

 

Watch from 2:30 on to at least 4:05 or so...

 

c'mon folks... she had some MAJOR issues with this opening number. Maybe some nerves because it's the opening number and she's already having playback issues with what she's used to lip synching to... but it's noticable that she's standing there ready to mime away, then realizes that nothing's happening and she HAS to actually SING LIVE for a little bit... she gets more nervous looking... by the time she's trying to walk up on the piano, she sounds actually AWFUL... ["...this fever for you was just burning me up inside..." WTF?!?!? YUK!!!] Then seconds later, at around 3:50/3:51, you can hear the sounds change, and her previously recorded live track from Vegas... [say around 5 years old?!?!?!] kicks in and the rest of the number sounds fine. It sounds just like AND..., but it sounds fine. LOL

 

It sucks that this happened, but it matches the topic of this thread 100%. Let a reporter be at a show when this happens, and it will be the opening to his review in the next day's paper.

 

This is yet one more reason why playback just isn't a good idea for so many numbers in a set list. It opens the possibility for so many errors, which will do nothing but 1) Make the show crappy, and 2) Make the singer even more nervous than he or she already is, thus making the rest of the show even crappier than it was in the first place for already using playback. Please don't mistake this as me saying the TC World Tour is crap, but we've all seen Celine and plenty of other singers using playback, and the second something goes wrong during that performance, we not only realize the singer isn't actually singing live, but feeling of negativity grow with respect to that performance.

 

Let's also remind ourselves that if Celine wanted to, she could mime the ENTIRE show with previously recorded live tracks and we'd be none the wiser. Rene probably has a deal with the Grevin Wax Museum and Honda to make a Celine-robot to be able to stand in for her during shows and mime to these tracks, while Celine kicks it in her hotel... LOL absurd, but anything is possible now. The world's best selling female artist of all time, one of the best live performers of our generation has incorporated lip-synching in at least 50% of her tour's set list. Anything is possible.

[celbabs]

I know - it's absolutely awful and there's no excuse for it. I am ashamed and disappointed in my diva. I've posted about this before but it's just really getting to me today. An era is over. The era when I could trust that she was singing live. Now I will always wonder and that's gonna make me stop caring about her at all.

[Nmj]

Life Goes On Common

[fred]

I don´t think anybody thinks that Celine has lost her voice - her vocal abilities are still amazing. Much better than before in my opinion.

 

But she is filling her 90 concert minutes with way too much lipsynching. In all difficult parts the tape jumps in.

She mimes the opening. She mimes her signature songs. She mimes her biggest hit which is also the closing of the show.

I don´t think it can get worse.

 

It is funny that some people would be even satisfied if she would have bothered to record new tapes

 

But the cruel truth is:

 

She has not bothered at all to deliver any sort of qualitiy. She is not only dishing out old arrangements but old tapes with her voice sounding the way she sounded 15 years ago.

Some people here make it seem that such behaviour is common - it is NOT - of course not.

I know you all love her (I do - well, did, till I saw the last concert) but can love really make that blind?

 

Other artist rearrange their songs every time they go on tour and other artists don´t mime at LIVE shows. (and please don´t quote Britney - she is not an artist imo). Celine is a singer and is famous for her voice - so people pay the hell a lot of money to hear her LIVE, not old TAPES!!

 

She has to be damn carefull - some call her the "Queen of cheating and lipsynching" already.

Given the current show - maybe she deserves that title.

Even though I count myself in on being among the people you target in some of your statements (yes I would freaking apreciate a new prerecorded live track for TPOL, I have been wanting that since Vegas started, coz it was already too old back then, and the only reason I would settle with a new prerecorded track of this song is that it seems freaking impossible to get an all live performance of this song...) I still must say, and you can take this as me sucking up, but lord knows I rarely do, that I really really appreciate and agree with everything you have written in this topic.

 

/fred

[ThisTime]

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[stevo]

I know I'll be blasted for saying this, but I think this topic is totally destroying the tour and Celine for alot of people and to be honest, it's upsetting me a bit that this is overshadowing all she does which is amazing during the tour and in the recent past. She's still the best singer guys, she's still the amazing person, she's still Celine- the voice. I don't particularly understand why she playbacks, but what I do understand is this topic is not nice- and I don't want to bury my head in the sand,

 

BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLOSED NOW, before the N.American leg of the tour starts, so we can concentrate on the excitement of that.

 

Sorry but that's the way i feel.

[Shamrock_1982]

Here, here ...i said it before and I'll say it again!!

This topic should now be locked and forgotten about all together.....

 

Darren.

[fred]

Ok... ok... ok... I read the posts that came after my last post on here...

 

Right now my heart is thumping so hard, it feels like it's in my throat, and I feel like crying a little...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I63WOL-krb8

 

Watch from 2:30 on to at least 4:05 or so...

 

c'mon folks... she had some MAJOR issues with this opening number. Maybe some nerves because it's the opening number and she's already having playback issues with what she's used to lip synching to... but it's noticable that she's standing there ready to mime away, then realizes that nothing's happening and she HAS to actually SING LIVE for a little bit... she gets more nervous looking... by the time she's trying to walk up on the piano, she sounds actually AWFUL... ["...this fever for you was just burning me up inside..." WTF?!?!? YUK!!!] Then seconds later, at around 3:50/3:51, you can hear the sounds change, and her previously recorded live track from Vegas... [say around 5 years old?!?!?!] kicks in and the rest of the number sounds fine. It sounds just like AND..., but it sounds fine. LOL

I haven't seen this until now, and it is really a tragedy. But what is almost an evern bigger tragedy is that the prerecorded track actually kicks in. I mean for once we were getting another nuance of this song. And I don't think it was that crappy, besides the part you mentioned, when she stands on the piano.

 

The worst thing is she starts to mime with no playback coming, by rutine, then when she realizes that the playback track don't kick in she does a Ashley Simpson and silly dances.

 

Even worse, is the audience's exitement about the performance....

 

And what is really sad is that I can no longer really enjoy her live performances since I always have in the back of my mind that "perhaps this isn't live" or "I know this isn't live". And when people around me say "wow, she can sing so well live" during a lipped performance, it is really hard to look the ther way.

 

And I certainly do not, like so so many of you, blame the messengers and call them "haters" or "not true fans" - I will not even begin to say what I think of such comments - nor the means in which this all is discovered (the internet, youtube, forums etc etc).

 

And it is, really is, very tragic that the icon we all have looked up to for so long has let it all (how passive or active som of you may claim she is) come to this. When an artist so clealy put money to bathe in and quantity before artistry and quality... the title (artist) istelf has left long ago, and all that remains is a buisness woman. That's the irony of Le Blues Du Buisnessman, all this is almost the other way around.

 

/fred

[stevo]

Just close it

[fred]

Just close it

Why so eager to close a topic just because you don't agree with it's content?

 

Very democratic of you.

 

/fred

[stevo]

emm- when did I say I disagreed with it? If you looked further back through the hundreds of posts you would see that I actually do think it's terrible and that, like so many, I'm disappointed. The fact now is, 495 replies have been posted and it's been open for some time, so it's hardly as if I've been campaigning for the death of all those saying she lips.

 

I think this topic will never die and for the rest of the tour- her brilliant tour- playback of SOME songs or not, people are getting upset and not focussing on the positive aspects of the shows, and of Celine.

 

That is why. We've said what we have to say about the issue- in every other bloody thread as well, not just this one, so why can't it be closed and let us enjoy the tour??

 

So enough of the sarcasm and smart-arse comments

[ImAliveUK]

People people.

 

Stop b***hing at each other - to me , this is the most interesting topic that i've ever seen in this forum! we have seen people who are not normally posters post on here and air their views - older members voice their opinions that actually know what they are talking about. It's a forum!!! do not close this!!

 

The average person sees this tour once - loves it and remembers it in their heads as an amazing show. Fine.

 

Its the other people who choose to see the tour 50 times (i'm guilty of that (well, not 50) and am VERY aware of what happens in this kind of business) and see the same thing over and over again - speeches, costumes etc - up to them but they will be the ones noticing the differences - or lack of.

 

Deal with it.

 

Think about it - 60,000 people went to dublin to see the show. 10 people from this forum went - do you really think we will make a difference? 59,990 people will go home thinking that Celine was totally live. Goal achieved. $$$$$$$

 

Its a show! A business - A company!!

 

I will still go to her concerts and enjoy them!

 

Yes she was lipping way back in live a la olympia - not as much as she does now - but thats the nature of this business.

 

If you are sad about this issue, don't read this topic. YOU have the choice.

 

Kev

 

PS and by the way i am so excited about the show im gonna see in MSG - the changes, costumes and seeing it from a different angle. Thats what its all about!! I know she can sing live! she does - just not on some songs!

Edited August 12, 2008 at 12:16 AM by ImAliveUK

[tim123]

I am not totally convinced -- To me it sounds more like the mike wasn't working and she couldn't hear herself. Have any of you sang in a mike... it makes you nervous if you can't hear yourself and when you are nervous you don't sing well. and furthermore I think it is a bit hypocriticial to spend so much time on this topic. I haven't read more than a few of the comments because quite honestly I don't have the time... alot of you must have ALOT of time... too much time. I don't think Celine is worried -- she is having fun!!! Get over it --- enjoy it ! move on... Life is too short -- If you don't like don't go to another show!! Edited August 12, 2008 at 01:14 AM by tim123

[Duchess]

i guess i'll just have to wait to sophoan gets here so i can have my daily dose of comic relief.

[tim123]

Bring on the U.S. tour -- Edited August 12, 2008 at 01:23 AM by tim123

[Love,]

i guess i'll just have to wait to sophoan gets here so i can have my daily dose of comic relief.

 

You know, Shirls, sometimes it's like pouring water over a duck's head.

 

It just doesn't sink in!

 

And there are some folks who just don't even take the time to comprehend the gist of all that is discussed here - to grasp the situation with knowledge... and they come in, give an unreasonable comment, praise Celine in their daily prayer, and they quack away!

 

oi vey

 

 

In the words of Miranda Priestly in The Devil Wears Prada, I say for now... "That's all... "

[tim123]

Like I said - I simply don't have time to read such stuff.... I have a JOB! Furthermore there are some of you who did attend the filming of AND and praise her and yet here you are really talking bad about her. I find that a bit contradicting! Enough said for me. I don't come here bad mouthing but I finally had enough of everytime I do have the time to read NEWS all I see is she did this or didn't this... GET A LIFE! Edited August 12, 2008 at 01:58 AM by tim123

[Alex_Incognito]

Like I said - I simply don't have time to read such stuff.... I have a JOB! Furthermore there are some of you who did attend the filming of AND and praise her and yet here you are really talking bad about her. I find that a bit contradicting! Enough said for me. I don't come here bad mouthing but I finally had enough of everytime I do have the time to read NEWS all I see is she did this or didn't this... GET A LIFE!

 

 

Well said. Celine lips certain songs. Life goes on.

[MartinMunich]

Like I said - I simply don't have time to read such stuff.... I have a JOB! Furthermore there are some of you who did attend the filming of AND and praise her and yet here you are really talking bad about her. I find that a bit contradicting! Enough said for me. I don't come here bad mouthing but I finally had enough of everytime I do have the time to read NEWS all I see is she did this or didn't this... GET A LIFE!

 

So you have a job - congratulations. If you don´t have time to read such stuff - why are you doing it then???

 

And just because somebody is able to not only see black and white, good and bad, his messages are not contradicting but maybe a bit smarter then all this "I love her no matter what she does"-s***t (you´re welcome, kev )

Edited August 12, 2008 at 08:18 AM by MartinMunich

[MartinMunich]

[And it is, really is, very tragic that the icon we all have looked up to for so long has let it all (how passive or active som of you may claim she is) come to this. When an artist so clealy put money to bathe in and quantity before artistry and quality... the title (artist) istelf has left long ago, and all that remains is a buisness woman. That's the irony of Le Blues Du Buisnessman, all this is almost the other way around.

 

/fred

 

What you say here is quite essential and very very true (sad though).

 

How in the world can you call yourself an artist if you just move your lips to prerecorded tracks? If there is no room for interpretation, no room for showing your feelings in a song?

 

But does Celine care? Does she say "Hey, I am an artist, I love singing way too much to do this dragqueen miming on my World Tour".

Of course not - because it is, as Kevin said, business, business, business. Nothing else anymore.

 

What is her artistry about these days? Knowing when to open and close the mouth, striking big poses after she did not even sing a single tone live on her biggest hits?

 

But obviously - as shown many times on this forum and on this thread - it is still enough to please some.

 

Maybe I was just seeing something in her that she has never been, and it just comes out with the recent events, this (imo) horrible tour.

Maybe.

 

Somebody said earlier on this thread that it looks like it is some sort of therapy for some people to express their opinion the way they do - it certainly was for me, in a way.

I had to get over the fact that I went to the concert of my favourite artist ever and got out and thought it was the cheapest thing I have ever seen.

All these old tapes, old arrangements, this massive miming, this speeches that I have heared a million times, this ugly outdoor stage...

 

But I will let it go - thanks to all of you who shared their opinion, agreed with me, disagreed with me. It was great fun.

 

Bye to all of you.

 

How do you say in these therapy groups:

 

My name is Martin, I am an Ex-Celine-Fan.

[Davey84]

I think this topic should be locked cos less then 10% is actually about the topic

 

 

Bye to all of you.

 

How do you say in these therapy groups:

 

My name is Martin, I am an Ex-Celine-Fan.

 

 

you win some, you loose some

 

 

The

 

show

 

must

 

go

 

on.

 

 

Tonight in Boston!

Edited August 12, 2008 at 09:14 AM by Davey84

[Prince Whiskers]

The

 

show

 

must

 

go

 

on.

 

 

Tonight in Boston!

Nothing's gonna stand in the way.

[Nikosn17]

Ok, I guess we have to stop the discussion at least for 1 day... to hear the bootlegs from the american leg and if there is still as much as lipping as before then... we can continue Edited August 12, 2008 at 10:34 AM by Nikosn17

[ImAliveUK]

Like I said - I simply don't have time to read such stuff.... I have a JOB! Furthermore there are some of you who did attend the filming of AND and praise her and yet here you are really talking bad about her. I find that a bit contradicting! Enough said for me. I don't come here bad mouthing but I finally had enough of everytime I do have the time to read NEWS all I see is she did this or didn't this... GET A LIFE!

Im not bad mouthing her at all!!

 

I was in this business a few years ago and know all about the sort of Jiggery Pokery that goes on behind the scenes. It's normal. I think the realisation here for a lot of people is thinking one thing, then discovering it's not what you expected.

 

I DO love Celine (the product - I don't know her personally that well), I do think she is Honest - she has a heart of gold - and the stage is where she performs. THE STAGE!!!

 

Good luck tonight Celine and yes - it would be a refreshing change to see some old tracks spruced up or re recorded! Simple as!

 

Kev :-)

[tim123]

To Martin: Yes I have a great job and if you'd care to really read what I wrote --- I don't have the time to read all of this just what I read I find contradicts some of what a percentage of us are here for --- News -- Good news not bashing and what not --- and Kev you aren't the only one who attended the filming

Sounds like a lot of bitter people who don't have a healthy or happy life --- need therapy ---I am sure Celine isn't reading all of this and going OMG -- she is living and loving -- having a great time touring -- so should we!! Besides the bootlegging thing proves one thing ----NOTHING!!!!!

[fred]

But I will let it go - thanks to all of you who shared their opinion, agreed with me, disagreed with me. It was great fun.

 

Bye to all of you.

 

How do you say in these therapy groups:

 

My name is Martin, I am an Ex-Celine-Fan.

Oh come back! You are one of the few who makes all this reasonable.

 

/fred