Céline under attack for using playback

[WendyB]

Me too - and I'll be doing it again in New York in a few weeks

 

Im so friggin jelous miss wendy!!! lol.

 

Darren.

 

Going back to the topic, I'm sure Céline isn't the only artist who does this and that's probably one of the main reasons the media is unwilling to to start pointing fingers and throwing accusations about. Who knows who would get sucked into the controversy.

[zoea2812]

In the overall scheme of things I really dont think celine should be made out to be some sort of criminal as many other artists do it. If you dont like it, then dont pay to see her.

[WendyB]

In the overall scheme of things I really dont think celine should be made out to be some sort of criminal as many other artists do it. If you dont like it, then dont pay to see her.

Hear, hear.

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[LVCeline]

I'm still a little furious that Celine can't break her playback mode for ONE FREAKIN NIGHT while the DVD is being filmed and sing a few more songs live. MHWGO is a staple. Why on earth couldn't she sing it live one night only for the DVD? I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

[Nikosn17]

I'm still a little furious that Celine can't break her playback mode for ONE FREAKIN NIGHT while the DVD is being filmed and sing a few more songs live. MHWGO is a staple. Why on earth couldn't she sing it live one night only for the DVD? I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

 

And imagine if she lips it for the french DVD as well. Then we'll have 3 DVD's where MHWGO will sound exactly the same.

[Thomas]

I'm still a little furious that Celine can't break her playback mode for ONE FREAKIN NIGHT while the DVD is being filmed and sing a few more songs live. MHWGO is a staple. Why on earth couldn't she sing it live one night only for the DVD? I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

She could have performed ONE different song live each night during the week "A New Day" was filmed and they couldn't bothered to arrange that, so I've no doubt that they don't care.

[celine.dion]

 

Firstly I would like to say how much I love and admire Celine.

 

See the video!

 

I think we all know that she lips some songs in her world tour (I Drove All Night, To Love You More,etc). Here is a video of the concert opening at Vienna where she is "busted" and now anyone who was doubting her lipsyncing in the tour can now clearly see the truth See the video! .

 

After the live part with "I Drove All Night to get to you, is that alright,I Drove All Night to get to you, is that alright. Is that alright Vienna?...." And after this the pre-recorded vocals were supposed to kick in ut they didn't, so Celine opened her mouth for a moment (the first Ohhh Lalala... part). Then she sung live until the first chorus with a visible problem reaching the high note (..inside..) before the chorus (im not saying that she could not reach the note, she could also have been taken aback due to the problem with the pre-recorded track).

 

Im not going against Celine im a huge fan but im just trying to figure a logical explanation for this. Some have said that she uses these pre-recorded tracks to warm up her voice at the beginning, but why did she not do this in any of her concerts at the past and couldn't she just warm up her voice before each concert? Then Im thinking that they might have said to Celine to do so (producers, etc -including her husband-) but then again we all know how real and honest celine is with her fans and think that she has the power to make this decesion and say: "No, I want to sing Live!" Finally if she cannot hit those high notes anymore she could lower the key of the tracks. I think we all love Celine for the special colour of her voice and what she is as a person and not only for that Super High Flawless Note. For example see this 100% live performance of I Drove All Night (the only one I've found) where she has lowered the key but she still sounds trully AMAZING See the Video! !!!

 

To sum up, its clear that we all know that Celine can do it and of course she worths more than that lip-sync!!!! So, Why?

[Bellamy]

Are you from Mars?

[rta]

I think the dry air in Vegas might have done some vocal damage. I thought she sounded different while watching the Vegas dvd. I don't know if that is the problem. But it seems to me it originated there and that might explain the excessive use of lip-synching.

[pat200]

I think the dry air in Vegas might have done some vocal damage. I thought she sounded different while watching the Vegas dvd. I don't know if that is the problem. But it seems to me it originated there and that might explain the excessive use of lip-synching.

 

In Vegas she was holding back and lipping to save the voice from the desert.

 

I wish she would have at least sung completely live in boston for the dvd. I hope she would in Montreal.

[fred]

I'm still a little furious that Celine can't break her playback mode for ONE FREAKIN NIGHT while the DVD is being filmed and sing a few more songs live. MHWGO is a staple. Why on earth couldn't she sing it live one night only for the DVD? I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

She could have performed ONE different song live each night during the week "A New Day" was filmed and they couldn't bothered to arrange that, so I've no doubt that they don't care.

Exactly!

 

And how many live recordings isn't the playback version of TPOL on? It's like they want her to be caught.

 

I am absolutely convinsed the reason why we didn't get two concerts of AND like they said from the start because we had waited so long for it, was coz then it would be just too obvious that some tracks were lipped....

 

/fred

[CelineFanInSoCal]

I'm still a little furious that Celine can't break her playback mode for ONE FREAKIN NIGHT while the DVD is being filmed and sing a few more songs live. MHWGO is a staple. Why on earth couldn't she sing it live one night only for the DVD? I don't understand the reasoning behind that.

She could have performed ONE different song live each night during the week "A New Day" was filmed and they couldn't bothered to arrange that, so I've no doubt that they don't care.

Exactly!

 

And how many live recordings isn't the playback version of TPOL on? It's like they want her to be caught.

 

I am absolutely convinced the reason why we didn't get two concerts of AND like they said from the start because we had waited so long for it, was coz then it would be just too obvious that some tracks were lipped....

 

/fred

 

LOL Yeah, I kinda think the same thing. Only, it would have been cool to have some of the original songs from the set list on DVD as a "live" performance. Ah well...

 

So what are they going to do about this tour's DVD? Are we gonna get a 2-DVD box set kinda thing where one has English highlights and the other French highlights from the tour? LOL Celine, Inc. would have to be dumb to release two DVDs of the same world tour, top to bottom, with all songs for easy and obvious comparison.

 

They should include a "bloopers" reel of all the lip-synch mishaps of the tour as comic relief. LOL That would be funny... ha ha ha Kidding...

 

I still personally believe that she's relying on these pre-recorded tracks WAY too much. They shouldn't carry the show; they should provide random vocal relief a couple times during the show. argh.

[lyn]

sigh so what are we as hard core fans supposed to do about it..? Maybe take it until we stop being hard core fans? Create a media hoo ha? Hold up banners saying "Sing Live!"? Write anonymous notes to her management saying "Ps, we can tell, <3 your fans."

 

Sigh the thing is I appreciate the change in her priorites and that no matter how much I rail about wanting my real live Celine back instead of track Celine, her priorities/goals in life no longer run in tandem with my goals as a fan. Lol, how unfortunate. But what gets to me is that this is one of her last tours.. maybe thE last ever and I know you're spending your day sight seeing with RC and your maman instead of doing vocal exercises Celine, but this is pretty much your goodbye to your fans around the world.

[SensationalCeline]

I don't think that this is her last tour EVER....SHE'S NOT RETIRING AFTER THIS YA KNOW!

[lyn]

but it's more than likely her last international tour!

[venezia7]

but it's more than likely her last international tour!

 

Mabye it will be...but really we don't no this there has been nothing said to lead us to believe this as far as i can see.

[CelionDion]

It's so funny to see this discussion going on in here and on another general music forum I visit they are talking about how great her first show in Canada was

[Taking Chances]

She's backing up her voice, there is a difference. She's performing more than 100 show this year, if she was going to sing everything live without any backing vocals of her own vocals she wouldn't have any voice left. Why is that so incredibly hard to understand for some of you?

[Thomas]

If you can't sing something live each night, should it be in the show?

 

The answer is NO, and there are NO other answers. Either drop the song, or change the arrangement so that you can sing it each night without worrying about your voice.

[Taking Chances]

What show would that be? I think she's using a little much backing vocals, but without any at all, I'm afraid it would get dull as the tour go on. It would be great to only listen to Celine without any playback at all, but then the show would have a much lo-key feeling after a while. She would be exhausted. I keep changing my mind about this, because I want to only listen to a live show, but I understand why she does it. It is an incredibly tough challenge to sing as much as she do and try to do everything live.

[Celcool]

If you can't sing something live each night, should it be in the show?

 

The answer is NO, and there are NO other answers. Either drop the song, or change the arrangement so that you can sing it each night without worrying about your voice.

Exactly.

 

I'm not a big fan of those usually but maybe an acoustic concert could be a good idea. It would be more intimate and she wouldn't have to sing those upbeat song she doesn't want to (or is afraid to) anymore. It would also mean less money if she'd sing in smaller theaters... probably not an option for Rene.

Edited August 16, 2008 at 08:45 PM by Celcool

[Thomas]

It wouldn't be dull, it would be refreshing. And that is because she's performing the same old songs that she has done for YEARS. This was the perfect opportunity to dump the songs that she can't do anymore (TPOL, TLYM etc etc etc) and do something totally new, acoustic maybe. Why not totally transform that standards she feels she must perform each night and sing them live? It's the Taking Chances tour! She's never had an opportunity to go crazy but this was the perfect time and they let it slip by. How about an acoustic version of TLYM, a bluesy version of TPOL, a gentle version of whatever...do them as a short medley and get them out of the way and bring in songs from her reportoire that she hasn't done for a while but that she could actually sing live. Maybe Unison, Where Is The Love, A New Day Has Come etc. There are loads of songs she could sing live that aren't mega-hard like TPOL. But I'd rather her drop a few songs and sing them all live than keep up this charade, and I don't even have to think about that for a second.

[dirrtydavid]

She's backing up her voice, there is a difference. She's performing more than 100 show this year, if she was going to sing everything live without any backing vocals of her own vocals she wouldn't have any voice left. Why is that so incredibly hard to understand for some of you?

 

If she/rene are so concerned about her voice, why sign up to perform a concert (on average) every 3 days?

 

If you can't sing something live each night, should it be in the show?

 

The answer is NO, and there are NO other answers. Either drop the song, or change the arrangement so that you can sing it each night without worrying about your voice.

 

I have no doubt that she could sing live every night were it not for the fact she's performing so much/often, which i think they've got used to during AND and thought "hey why not, we'll get millions of £/$/€"

[fred]

I totally agree with Thomas' last posts.

 

I mean is anything dull than that is the way the tour looks now. Exiting would be new arrengements, new songs, all live, lower keys doesn't really matter. I say let all of those who crave super high notes listen to all of her recordings from the 90ies and let the rest of us be spared of this charade where she pretends to sing to playback tracks from that era.

 

/fred

[Davey84]

I think it's time for Céline's team (rené especially) to connect with the fanbase again. I think we were separated since her break in 2000. I really wonder what René would say about all this. Eventhough some comments are really harsh, it is the truth. Why playback a 14 year old backup track and still charge crazy amounts for tickets? Why drop WDMHBN after only 6 years, but don't have the guts to drop a 14 year old playback? I think the life is drained from that song, the way it is now. I don't see this as an attack, but more as a concern for Céline. I love her very much, and I dont wanna see Céline ending up in a backstreet of Vegas lipping the same versions of IDAN, TPOL and MHWGO for the sake of it She is the best damn singer out there, proove it damn it!

 

If only we could have a meeting with René and co and tell what the fans really want... *dreams*

[Magellan]

But Rene and co, they know very well what you - Celine's fans want. They can read.

They know but - as long as the sales are good - they don't care. And the tour is selling well - so where's the problem?

[Thomas]

One of the main problems for me is that the tracks she is using are old, very old. Some dating back to the mid-90's and they don't match the sounds of Celine's matured voice. Not to mention the fact there have been at least two recorded instances where the playback has stopped completely on this tour so far. Rene might be happy enough to continue the act but he'll be squirming in his pants when "Celine Dion cheats her fans out of millions of dollars" is plastered over the front page of the New York Times. I mean, if you absolutely must use it then it has to be flawless and it seems it isn't on this tour.

 

And that's just the problem from their side. From our side, the problem is we don't want to watch her pretend to sing. And I'm sorry but we are her fans and we should want to have the best from her but it seems some fans here are more interested in defending her technical teams actions at every opportunity. In reality it should be the fans want the best and it's up to her team to provide it, but it seems we aren't even wanting the best because we're happy to say "oh but she has to save her voice" and simply side with them. It's not how it should be!

[celine-addict]

I understand this tour is HUGE and singing live every night would strain her voice, COMPLETELY understandable. But, what is the HUGE problem with recording new playback tracks JUST for the TCH tour? and if she was using playback for the tour, why was the TV Special and majority of promotional interviews for TCH completely playback? She still has a magnificent instrument and is still one of my favorite singers, nothing will change that, but sing everything live that you can and maybe have playbacks for just the HUGE notes in TPOL and songs of that nature. Why should MHWGO not be done live? It is far from her hardest song.

 

I don't know, I am just lost. I will still go to my concert and scream along with her though. I love my Celine!

[lyn]

lol.. it just occurred to me today that I'm glad she uses things like 14 year old and album playbacks of her songs.. it makes it easy for me to tell when she actually is singing and isn't.. i'd rather that than be constantly deceived or having my faith wrecked by trying to guess whether she's singing something live or not. With cheesy 14 year old tracks, there's a definitely tell! Such that I can truly appreciate when she's really singing live. hurrah!