Céline under attack for using playback

[Prince Whiskers]

People...

 

nothing is going to happen.

 

nobody cares about Celine, not even to say bad things about her...

 

Are you sure about that, bud?

 

I mean... the rumor of her using too much water became world news!

And how she's supposed to have the worst cover ever.

[stevo]

But the show (centre stage) is incredible- she can't just stand there and sing- people want something more than that these days. She puts an enormous amount of energy into each performance- the lipping (apart from IDAN as it opens the show) doesn't bother me because when she sings It's A Man's World, or Alone or RDMH or IA or TC or BYLM or ABM or TSMGO or ML or PQTME it's phenomenal. Not just average. Who would have thought we'd hear that bombastic range and power and ad libbing on each performance of Man's World- that isn't an ordinary singer- it's bloody well amazing. If she wants to mime the high note on ABM- she can- she must be afraid she can't deliver it but the fans and the people need that note every night- the pressure she is under is immense.

 

I'm not excusing her as she is fooling people and still people here don't see that she does it- I just think that she should have scrapped the majority of the old stuff- and maybe just did her 3 biggest hits from the past- I truly belive she mimes them because she is bored to tears.

 

Controversial- but I think she should go to Arista records and let Clive Davis and the team there inject some modern day R n B Alicia, Christina, Whitney, Jennifer Hudson life into Celine. Rene needs to step back and let a new team shake it up a bit. This is the Celine Dion Forum and our artist is in the middle of a massive and successful world tour and we are embroiled in this hateful discussion of her miming- she has got 'lazy'- in the sense that she is taking things for granted without doubt- she expects success and Rene is in the wings telling her, assuring her that all is well. I believe she is in a bubble.

 

Taking Chances is a great album. It is new for her. But everything about the promotion was false promises. It's Sony, it's Rene, it's Celine- they all need to run across the flames and waken up a bit and take a frigging chance. Where was the sexy r n bish duet she should have recorded to inject some publicity now 8 months after the album has been released. She's 40- she loves feeling 'hot'- it's time to get out there and get it on. I will be so upset if this is the way she is going to fizzle out into retirement again.

 

Literally fizzle.

[Bellamy]

That guy from the dvd, the one from the Felling said

"Her core fans didn't like her hair, so she had to change it"

I guess it was the only time they've listened to us.

I don't like that remark. He said her core fans don't like her hair, cause they get used to her long hair. That's so wrong. We love her short hair during TCOML, D'EUX, FIY era. I think it just proves they don't really know her core fans at all.

[Prince Whiskers]

I just think that she should have scrapped the majority of the old stuff- and maybe just did her 3 biggest hits from the past- I truly belive she mimes them because she is bored to tears.

The setlist has NOT been her idea. I'm sure of it.

[celine_026]

But the show (centre stage) is incredible- she can't just stand there and sing- people want something more than that these days. She puts an enormous amount of energy into each performance- the lipping (apart from IDAN as it opens the show) doesn't bother me because when she sings It's A Man's World, or Alone or RDMH or IA or TC or BYLM or ABM or TSMGO or ML or PQTME it's phenomenal. Not just average. Who would have thought we'd hear that bombastic range and power and ad libbing on each performance of Man's World- that isn't an ordinary singer- it's bloody well amazing. If she wants to mime the high note on ABM- she can- she must be afraid she can't deliver it but the fans and the people need that note every night- the pressure she is under is immense.

 

I'm not excusing her as she is fooling people and still people here don't see that she does it- I just think that she should have scrapped the majority of the old stuff- and maybe just did her 3 biggest hits from the past- I truly belive she mimes them because she is bored to tears.

 

Controversial- but I think she should go to Arista records and let Clive Davis and the team there inject some modern day R n B Alicia, Christina, Whitney, Jennifer Hudson life into Celine. Rene needs to step back and let a new team shake it up a bit. This is the Celine Dion Forum and our artist is in the middle of a massive and successful world tour and we are embroiled in this hateful discussion of her miming- she has got 'lazy'- in the sense that she is taking things for granted without doubt- she expects success and Rene is in the wings telling her, assuring her that all is well. I believe she is in a bubble.

 

Taking Chances is a great album. It is new for her. But everything about the promotion was false promises. It's Sony, it's Rene, it's Celine- they all need to run across the flames and waken up a bit and take a frigging chance. Where was the sexy r n bish duet she should have recorded to inject some publicity now 8 months after the album has been released. She's 40- she loves feeling 'hot'- it's time to get out there and get it on. I will be so upset if this is the way she is going to fizzle out into retirement again.

 

Literally fizzle.

 

You are so true. Ok to what you've said.

 

But I guess we're all here in convulsion.

Celine gave us so much before and with so much more passion and energy...

We can't help but long that she would still go UP, UP, UP, UP and UP.

That her promise to turn more than a Legend that she already is would turn

into something larger than life.

Seeing her slowly decay is so sad, she's one of my heroes.

Can't think of anyone I think so much in my life and for so much time than her...

I just wished things turned out different at this point of her career... :confused:

Edited August 6, 2008 at 11:07 AM by marcospriateli

[celine_026]

That guy from the dvd, the one from the Felling said

"Her core fans didn't like her hair, so she had to change it"

I guess it was the only time they've listened to us.

I don't like that remark. He said her core fans don't like her hair, cause they get used to her long hair. That's so wrong. We love her short hair during TCOML, D'EUX, FIY era. I think it just proves they don't really know her core fans at all.

 

Yeah, you're right. I said 'Us' cos at the time, most of the fans I knew

were saying "I don't like her hair". But I really loved her short blond hair

or a little bigger (Nando's gonna kill me); I found it really appealing FOR ME

 

SO SEXY and powerful

[Davey84]

Seeing her slowly decay is so sad, she's one of my heroes.

 

WOWWWWW what a minute here!! Céline is everything but decaying!!! Céline is still very much on fire thank you very much!

[Filine]

I will always support Céline, but if it's really true that 50% of the concert is playbacked I feel sad that they let us pay those incredible prices for that show. What's so recordbreaking about the biggest TOUR ever...if you only did sing half of it?

I thought Céline couldn't care less about the figures and the money. I don't know if this is her personal choice or that the pressure of BIG-BIGGER-BIGGEST forces her into this, but she is the one who permits it. Please Céline stay true to yourself and your talent Do whatever you like and do it like you used to do it and I'll gladly pay 250 euro's to see you! What's wrong with doing 50 shows a year instead of 150!

[Prince Whiskers]

In the end, nobody is buying her records anymore anyways.

"Taking chances" was a major flop. Although she did a huge promotion tour, doing Oprah, all the important TV shows..

What went wrong? The same thing that went wrong with that tour.

This is not true. Taking Chances did well on chart. It sold more than 3million copies worldwide, and over 1million in the US. Look at Madonna, Mariah, Janet, Britney... Their latest albums sold much less than TC.

Mariah is struggling to reach 2M worldwide. Celine outsold Madonna in major markets like the US and the UK.

[Love,]

I will be so upset if this is the way she is going to fizzle out into retirement again.

 

Literally fizzle.

LOL! I just had the most random thought when you mentioned the word "FIZZLE." Kinda reminds me of her previous Millennium semi-retirement... when during the break, she signed a two-year agreement to endorse Lifizz vitamins! LOLLLLL

 

 

 

I hope you enjoyed the comic relief... now back to the topic

 

I thought Céline couldn't care less about the figures and the money. I don't know if this is her personal choice or that the pressure of BIG-BIGGER-BIGGEST forces her into this, but she is the one who permits it.

 

You know, I don't get why a lot of folks are casting most or all the blames on Rene, on Sony, and/or the Team.

It's Celine's voice, it's Celine's show, and it's Celine's life. She should be the one held accountable because she's the one that's working and getting the most benefit out of all this - and as you said, she's the one who permits all of this. I highly doubt she's a puppet or a child that needs to be held by the hand. She's 40 years old and has been in the business for so over two and a half decades - she should know what she's doing.

 

If she was so bored of her songs or really wanted to retire, she could have just put her foot down and say "No."

But instead, she couldn't resist the extra gazillion dollars and so she decided to use her vocal chords 50% of the time, oil up her legs, and dance like Mary Poppins! :sofunny:

Edited August 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM by Love,

[tomaat]

You know, I don't get why a lot of folks are casting most or all the blames on Rene, on Sony, and/or the Team.

It's Celine's voice, it's Celine's show, and it's Celine's life. She should be the one held accountable because she's the one that's working and getting the most benefit out of all this - and as you said, she's the one who permits all of this. I highly doubt she's a puppet or a child that needs to be held by the hand. She's 40 years old and has been in the business for so over two and a half decades - she should know what she's doing.

 

If she was so bored of her songs or really wanted to retire, she could have just put her foot down and say "No."

But instead, she couldn't resist the extra gazillion dollars and so she decided to use her vocal chords 50% of the time, oil up her legs, and dance like Mary Poppins! :sofunny: [/color]

 

Couldn't agree more. She's no child, she can make her own decisions. If she was really against the lipsinging, she could have easily put her foot down. It's all about Celine, without her, there is no tour. So I'm not really for the blaming of Rene or Sony either. In the end, it's her call. If she says no, the others will have to follow.

[Davey84]

don't be so sure Céline is that 'free' in her choices!! Remember the AND dvd? She said she didn't wanted to go through with AND, cos she gave birth to RC and she wanted to be with him. But René said there were too many people and money involved for her to stop... that's why she 'decided' to go on with the show... like Céline didn't have enough money to buy back her part of the deal and leave it!

 

There is also something like 'Gentle persuation'... 'Yeah, that's a nice thought Céline but...' "Wouldn't it be great if...', 'But Céline, the fans want to hear MHWGO for the millionth time!'

 

And of course there is also a chance that Céline doesn't give a sh*t anymore

 

(which of course I higly doubt! :P )

Edited August 6, 2008 at 11:53 AM by Davey84

[zoea2812]

I think Celine maybe could be asked politely why she uses playback so much and not go all out to see her name dragged through the mud.

[ImAliveUK]

I've been reading this topic and wasn't going to comment - but feel I have to!

 

I really don't have a problem with Celine Lipping - at the end of the day - no matter how much she loves singing - it's a business. I do agree however that this tour is probably way too much for her - sooo many cities and countries, in a very short time, with a very high ticket price.

 

I went to Madonnas reinvention tour a while back and although it was a great show, i was gob smacked at how much the tickets were - but people WILL buy them!! So they can charge them!! I remember saying I will NEVER buy a ticket that expensive again (this was around the time Celine's LTAL tour was £60 for a front row seat)

 

Here we are in 2008 paying those prices - BUT... How can Kylie charge £45 for ANY seat?!?!?! IT WAS AN AMAZING SHOW!!!!!! The best i've seen in a while!! (and no I don't know if she lips - I haven't compared and don't want to!)

 

Anyway - back to Celine. Yes she lips aprx half of the show - and the only problem i have is that the age of some of these tracks, and how they use them on the DVD's - thats almost admitting she lips. Why not change them every 2 years or something? And those of you who think the AND DVD isn't lipped - the lipped tracks have been tweaked slightly to get them into tune. It's silly as they sound a little tooo robotic. (and messed up the long notes in IS in the process). And also in the all access - they are showing her brother making sure she doesn't forget the lyrics - to a lipped song?!?!!?!?! Now is that deliberate?

 

TV shows are promotion - so lip along to the cd tracks if you like - but a live show? hmmm... to save your voice or not to save your voice? 5 shows in a month or 20 shows in a month? which earns the most money...... you do the maths.

 

Celine is a product. she has a product to sell, and there is a demand for her. There will always be a fine line in what people think is right and wrong in this business. She HAS to have the old hits in her show - it's what made her, and people will probably be more upset if she didn't use them.

 

I LOVE Celine - the person, and the product - go watch the DVD - I said she has amazing stage presence - and still has! She is a inspiration, and if i ever get on stage - i'd be lipping a song or two (not 50%) to make sure you got the best sound from me!!!! lol!

 

My biggest dream would actually to hear the TPOL live on the 16th Sept.... the one song that although she lips - still sends shivers down my spine! Says something about that voice doesn't it - lipped or not lipped.

 

Kev :-)

[Love,]

You know...

 

what really pisses me off:

 

1. The album that 'EVERYONE is TALKING ABOUT'

is the album that ONLY US talk about, only to say that it could HAVE BEEN

better promoted, better used, better sold.

 

I'll be frank and say that none of my friends or strangers I've come across in the real world - before, during, and after its release - were talking about it... LOL It was relatively successful for its time being because it sold a few million copies, yet it was forgettable, because it was literally ignored.

 

There was a glimpse of hope when Billboard's Chuck Taylor said that he was going to share with a Sony rep what the fans wanted as Celine's 2nd single from the TC album. The next thing we know, Chuck had met John Doelp in Vegas, and as he shared with John about the fan-favorite "Fade Away" for the 2nd single - the suggestion was literally laughed off and disregarded by John. What a prick!

 

Then... lo and behold came "Alone..." and for the success of TC, it got so quiet that I could hear the ticking of the clock... :rolleyes:

 

2. The tour after vegas that was supposed to be tremendously successful is an average tour that uses playback in HALF of the songs; has those freaky dances; Celine in a barbie-like position.

 

L M A O

 

:laugh:

 

Love, I don't really think that something's gonna happen. It was supposed to, already. How many days since the first article? This things go fast.

 

You know, a lot of major publications have strong ties with a major company such as SonyBMG... Maybe they're scared to attack the record company's flagship artist

[zoea2812]

I dont care if Celine lipped all her songs, to be honest, because i pay the money to not only hear the songs but to spend time within her presence. I know she can sing beautifully and she should sing live but if she doesnt feel comfortable with that, then fine. People should not buy the tickets if they are not happy with the situation.

[Love,]

don't be so sure Céline is that 'free' in her choices!! Remember the AND dvd? She said she didn't wanted to go through with AND, cos she gave birth to RC and she wanted to be with him. But René said there were too many people and money involved for her to stop... that's why she 'decided' to go on with the show... like Céline didn't have enough money to buy back her part of the deal and leave it! And of course there is also a chance that Céline doesn't give a sh*t anymore (which of course I higly doubt! :P )

Do you believe that Celine is 100% honest?

That everything she says should be held at face value?

[Davey84]

yeah I do like to believe that... Céline, in a way, is naieve... and that's what makes her different and that's why I love her more then any artist out there! If you are going to start putting that in question too, then I think you start asking yourself, what you are doing on a CELINE DION FAN BOARD.

[zoea2812]

I totally agree. How can anyone distrust what celine says. I dont think they are a proper fan if they say things like that.

[Love,]

yeah I do like to believe that... Céline, in a way, is naieve... and that's what makes her different and that's why I love her more then any artist out there! If you are going to start putting that in question too, then I think you start asking yourself, what you are doing on a CELINE DION FAN BOARD.

 

Well, you know, I can be a member of any fan board, regardless of the level of interest I have in those artists

 

I can doubt, question, regard, disregard anybody I want.

 

Basically, she's a human being like all of us.

 

I totally agree. How can anyone distrust what celine says. I dont think they are a proper fan if they say things like that.

Ummm WOAH THERE!

 

Am I supposed to pray to goddess Celine and ask for forgiveness now?

 

LMAO

Edited August 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM by Love,

[zoea2812]

Yes, i love her voice but I also respect her as an artist and respect the decisions that she makes, be it whether I agree with them or not. It is not up to us to criticise her and encourage the media to take swipes at her.

[Jacqui]

I agree too. She's always been so honest with her fans. We really don't have a reason to mistrust her intentions, or disbelieve what she says. She's been famous enough for long enough that if she wasn't a good person, I think we'd know by now She does have a sort of innocence about her. I think she really truly is just an artist, not a business woman at all. I doubt she often considers things like money, or whatever else. It's ok. I love that about her.

But this thread...is like a weed in the garden of the forum that will not die

[Love,]

But this thread...is like a weed in the garden of the forum that will not die

 

If you think it's a "weed," then why the hell are you here watering it?

 

Threads like these are the reasons why we have forums.

Edited August 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM by Love,

[Jacqui]

I was trying to add flowers to your greenness.

 

I always thought forums were for making friends are being supportive. The first forum I was ever on, I was told to "behave as I would if I were in the artists living room." It kind of stuck with me. You seem to see them as a place to debate. That's cool. We don't have to agree.

[MartinMunich]

I dont care if Celine lipped all her songs, to be honest, because i pay the money to not only hear the songs but to spend time within her presence. I know she can sing beautifully and she should sing live but if she doesnt feel comfortable with that, then fine. People should not buy the tickets if they are not happy with the situation.

 

Wow - what an argument.

 

If you are saying people should not buy the tickets if they are not happy with the situation then the advertising for this tour should say:

 

"Celine Dion PARTLY live"

 

If it is enough for you that you know that she could if she would but she doesn´t because she can´t be bothered then it is fine. For you.

Maybe not for others. Maybe you should consider that.

 

Or do you go out and buy a steak and then just eat the salad because you know anyways how the steak tastes`?

[Love,]

I was trying to add flowers to your greenness.

 

I always thought forums were for making friends are being supportive. The first forum I was ever on, I was told to "behave as I would if I were in the artists living room." It kind of stuck with me. You seem to see them as a place to debate. That's cool. We don't have to agree.

Good to know you're environmentally friendly...

 

Of course forums are social networking avenues - but a variety of things can come from them. There are people here who uses this forum as a library, others who use it as a news source on Celine, some who uses it to share their lives with others, some who use it as a way to meet potential mates or lovers, and even bizarre things as fulfillment of sexual fantasies or a place to worship Celine from sunrise to sunset... :mdr: You get what I'm saying

 

Anyway, I love discussions and conversations - as you can tell by my very diverse and dynamic collection of thousands of posts here.

 

I dont care if Celine lipped all her songs, to be honest, because i pay the money to not only hear the songs but to spend time within her presence. I know she can sing beautifully and she should sing live but if she doesnt feel comfortable with that, then fine. People should not buy the tickets if they are not happy with the situation.

Wow - what an argument.

Or do you go out and buy a steak and then just eat the salad because you know anyways how the steak tastes`?

 

Should there be a theme song for Zoe's post? LOL

 

I nominate "I Surrender"

 

P.S. OMGGGGGGGGG, your steak analogy is hilarious!

SOOOO TRUEEE

 

But since you did attend the Munich show, you did get a chance to lick some of the barbeque sauce off that steak :P

Edited August 6, 2008 at 01:06 PM by Love,

[sebyitaly]

Or do you go out and buy a steak and then just eat the salad because you know anyways how the steak tastes`?

 

Martin, I think you're gonna make me die on one of these days :sofunny: :sofunny: :sofunny: :sofunny:

Anyway, to come back on topic, as it's already been said several times...we won't never know the truth about the real reason of Céline's choice (because she has the last word on everything concerning her, and that's NORMAL, holy God, she's the one everyone talks about!), we may have some serious arguments; the only thing we know for sure, is that the woman CAN SING, she proved that, and she still goes on doing that when she performs live...It's more than normal that everyone of us gets disappointed on watching and listening to Céline not being herself in that specifical moment, because we perfectly know that she would probably be 10000 times better than a lipped performance, but what can we do?!

I honestly think that everyone over here, like Martin or Sophoan, have never said that will go against Céline from this moment, they're simply expressing a shared point of view between us, fans, and if it sometimes happens, like this time, to talk about something "rude" against Céline's image, it's because everyone here loves her, and wants her to appear the best singer in the world, because we know she IS, but not the world out there, and that's extremely frustrating to know that we probably missed tons of good times where she could have sang from live, but performed LESS...5 days per week in Vegas, 794387589457458 concerts in a world tour after 2 months of rest...that's just CRAZY...she's an UFO, as I always say, but she has human feelings guys, she's not a ROBOT, and that's why it's frustrating to see her performing a song that can surely and perfectly sing from live. Céline really needs to perform less, and when she does it, she has to do it with serenity, and sing whatever she wants, although there are millions of people that want her to sing those cursed past successful hits. I wonder if she dreams them during the night...

Edited August 6, 2008 at 01:14 PM by sebyitaly

[MartinMunich]

I dont care if Celine lipped all her songs, to be honest, because i pay the money to not only hear the songs but to spend time within her presence. I know she can sing beautifully and she should sing live but if she doesnt feel comfortable with that, then fine. People should not buy the tickets if they are not happy with the situation.

Wow - what an argument.

Or do you go out and buy a steak and then just eat the salad because you know anyways how the steak tastes`?

 

Should there be a theme song for Zoe's post? LOL

 

I nominate "I Surrender"

 

P.S. OMG, your steak analogy is hilarious! But since you did attend the Munich show, you did get a chance to lick some of the barbeque sauce [/color]

 

A little bit - as said before - I did not like the concert at all, one of the worst I have seen - and I have seen a lot. Still can´t get over this cheap setup, this stage, my god, that stage... not even I would perform on such a thing

Did you see her walking in and out of her dressing tent and walk to the back of the stage to "appear" from the back? Can it get any cheaper? Don´t think so... especially if you read the announcement "...a fest of light and colour.." or something like that...

But - as I said before - she had wonderful moments when she did her new songs, my barbeque sauce was "My love", "Taking chances" and "Alone" - that was real, that was Celine in all her glory.

But the rest - "We will rock you" - I don´t even find the right words to express how dull that was.

And her big hits from tape.

 

And poor you took that long flight to see this Playback-Party....

[Bralo20]

I totally agree. How can anyone distrust what celine says. I dont think they are a proper fan if they say things like that.

 

You may forget that she, her husband and some other shareholders are also running multiple companies worth multiple billions.

Al those companies have to make money. Not only for her and her husband and probably some maybe some other shareholders but in the first place for the people working for her companies. All those people have to be paid to you know. And not only people have to be paid, buildings and warehouses, office spaces, vehicles, her private jet, etc... Taxes, social security, health care, leasings, insurances, travel expenses,... Way to much to make a list...

 

Being an artist is not only about performing but also to take care of everything and everyone that is involved in her career... And every little step she grew during the past decades her crew, the companies, etc... did grow with her...

 

So I rather think that she and multiple other artists are in the first place businessmen or -women... And on the second place they are the artist.

 

So to "distrust" what Célines is saying has nothing to do with being a proper fan or not... Most of us who have some doubt about the lipsync issue are indeed proper fans but we are also realists and we are also not blind.

[stevo]

SHE DOESN'T LIP HALF THE CONCERT AND IF THAT GETS OUT INTO THE MEDIA THEN THINGS WILL BE BAD- I THINK THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE BANNED.

 

It is indeed a weed on the forum. It's all we talk about. So sad.Let's all send the link to the thread for this 'topic' to everyone in Celine's camp- team Celine, Feeling, everyone.

 

Then that'll show them that a) we care we know c) we want it to stop