Céline under attack for using playback

[CelionDion]

I honestly don't think there's going to be a backlash of any sort. When I saw her it seemed 100% live. She's a good lipsyncer

 

Only the diehard fans who watch every performance will know

[Love,]

Some people truly are in Egypt... DENIAL!

L O L!

 

Well... there are so many "Egyptians" here!

They like to wade, swim and struggle in Thhhhheeeeee Nile...

Even some have drowned!

 

 

Uhhhh...

 

So, does that make Rene the "Pharaoh" ?

 

 

If so, Celine must be "Nefer-no-titti" !

 

 

And, I'll just be "Moses" !

 

LET MY PEOPLE GO...(to a live concert)!!! :mdr:

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2008 at 01:15 PM by Love,

[Bellamy]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

[fred]

Shame on you church boy for makin fun of the holy scriptures!

 

 

And about this topic.

 

Hey all I'm heading into this topic now, Céline lips we know that, some people deny it, we know that. Still doesn't take away the fact, no matter how much you deny it TPOL wont miraculously turn live.

 

This was a very strong factor why I didn't want to waste money on a ticket and be fooled. I love TPOL but hey hearing the same old live track for the past 14 years makes me cringe, same goes for MHWGO.

 

I'd rather have a 10 song setlist, all live and with lowered keys, instead of this hysterical 20 song show off which requires playback to make her pull it through. Damn we know she CAN sing, enough of this darn vocal show off and give us some honest soulful live interpretions.

 

And as far as the attention in media goes, I am sad that it had to come to this (if this storm blows up) but even though it will perhaps offer a wake up call it still most surely make the Céline team press the snooze button.

 

I am just sad it all had to come to this (not the media attention, but the lipping issue itself), when even us as fans can't say we stand by her on the matter. Seriously where's the selfrespect in all this, doesn't it seem a bit desperate to see this scam as a soloution to carry out a show?

 

To me this tour is simply pointless, I'd rather have it undone, right from the start the setlist sucked and the few good tracks were removed (IGTMIM,TJTWIM) and the promised remakes of old hits which never showed up and her latest album totally neglected (no playback tracks for the new songs??).

 

/fred

Edited August 5, 2008 at 01:57 PM by fred

[Black Kitten]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

simply because Ashlee Simpson is obviously NOBODY compared to celine, so the people wouldn't care if she lip all her life.

[CellyDee87]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

 

I would hate to think that people here would want her reputation to be ruined. I mean we all have our opinions but wishing for something so drastic would be shameful! I'm not a fan of the lipping but I've accepted it, and it certainly will NOT stop me from seeing her, nor will I love her less

[MartinMunich]

If so, Celine must be "Nefer-no-titti" !

 

 

i love your posts - 100 times more creative than this whole "Taking-chances-but-not-really-we-just-dish-out-our-old-crap"-Tour....

[GoldenLeaf]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

simply because Ashlee Simpson is obviously NOBODY compared to celine, so the people wouldn't care if she lip all her life.

I agree with you dhena. People also know that Mariah Carey is NOT a great vocalist anymore so they don't really care about the GMA playback issue and it was just on a TV show. However, lip syncing many songs during concerts always been considered like a FRAUD.

[Nikosn17]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

simply because Ashlee Simpson is obviously NOBODY compared to celine, so the people wouldn't care if she lip all her life.

I agree with you dhena. People also know that Mariah Carey is NOT a great vocalist anymore so they don't really care about the GMA playback issue and it was just on a TV show. However, lip syncing many songs during concerts always been considered like a FRAUD.

 

I think Mariah's situation is more similar to Celine's. It may be a TV show but a TV show on national television is more than 1 stupid article. More people have the chance to see it. + Mariah is also famous mainly because of her voice.

Edited August 5, 2008 at 04:23 PM by Nikosn17

[GoldenLeaf]

Don't you know the Ashley Simpson playback issue which was hot on media, or the Mariah's GMA playback issue didn't change anything. I doubt the youtube videos or tabloids could ruin Celine's reputation. I think those who want to see her reputation been ruined would be disappointed in the end.

simply because Ashlee Simpson is obviously NOBODY compared to celine, so the people wouldn't care if she lip all her life.

I agree with you dhena. People also know that Mariah Carey is NOT a great vocalist anymore so they don't really care about the GMA playback issue and it was just on a TV show. However, lip syncing many songs during concerts always been considered like a FRAUD.

 

I think Mariah's situation is more similar to Celine's. It may be a TV show but a TV show on national television is more than 1 stupid article. More people have the chance to see it. + Mariah is also famous mainly because of her voice.

But at least people didn't pay hundreds of dollars to see her performing/lipsyncing at GMA so it's not a big deal.

[Galuush]

same goes for MHWGO

Does the playback og MHWGO is old too? which year is it?

[Nikosn17]

same goes for MHWGO

Does the playback og MHWGO is old too? which year is it?

 

She was basicly using it during the whole Vegas gig.

[GoldenLeaf]

same goes for MHWGO

Does the playback og MHWGO is old too? which year is it?

 

She was basicly using it during the whole Vegas gig.

Yeah, she's using it since the opening night in march 2003 so I guess she recorded it in late 2002/early 2003 when she was rehearsing her Vegas show.

Edited August 5, 2008 at 04:42 PM by Calypso

[Galuush]

Ok thanks Edited August 5, 2008 at 04:49 PM by Galuush

[VanMerlin]

I really don't know what to think. I know that I don't wish a huge scandal upon her. I also know that this tour hasn't excited me from the beginning, so the fact that she lips doesn't really matter to me, because I wouldn't pay to see it anyway. She does it, yes, and it used to bother me, but these days, it's so normal in her repertoire that I just shrug my shoulders and move on to something else. If I were paying upwards of $200 dollars to see her live, it would irritate me, but I wouldn't pay to see Celine because I know she does it. When the bootlegs come along, there are really only a few songs I care to hear, and even then there's something that just seems to be missing.

 

If it's the old songs that are lipped...it additionally shows that the setlist needs some work. I suppose the team wants to please the older fans by singing the older hits, but if Celine isn't giving her heart and soul to sing those older hits live, they're a waste of space and they've had their day. Let people watch older DVD's and CD's if they want to hear her sing those old songs and let her sing the new songs (that she originally seemed so excited to record) live. What was the point of recording a song like "This Time" if no one is going to hear it? It could really effect some people in her audiences, but it sits there on a CD...and TJTWIM that she'd been waiting to record for YEARS because she loved it so much. She recorded that album with such happiness and then went back to being the same Celine...perhaps if she just burst out of that cage and showed the side of her that she wanted to show with that album, the tour would be much more live, and much more intense.

 

I can certainly understand all of the frustration here and I think Love's Martina post is very telling, that McBride can belt her concerts live (and geez, can that woman belt!)...so surely Celine can do the same. I don't know if anything will come of this being in the media or how far it will go, but Celine's been doing it so long that I don't see much happening in the way of change.

[Annalicious]

The way I see it, all this can only be an invention from people who get bored at home and upload fake videos at Youtube. If they are trying to do us wrong, and to make Celine bother, they are wrong. Just keep together, fans.

WHAT??? Are you like the Spanish version of Teodora?

:mdr:

All of the videos are authentic.

No one uploaded any fake videos.

 

That's what I "love" about some posters here. They come in here with their heads in the clouds, not having read anything...and then, they start giving unreasonable inputs...

 

Celine should be able to do what ever she feels like doing,at the end of the day we have the choice whether to go and watch her or not.

Of course, but I'm sure there are people here who don't mind paying money just to see Celine stand in front of them. Even if she were taking a nap on stage for 1.5 hours, I'm sure there are people who would still pay $250 to see that.

 

Woah Sophia the SCF Slayer, I like

[Prince Whiskers]

All this sound and fury will lead to nothing except cameras and recorders getting banned for the rest of the tour.

[Nikosn17]

All this sound and fury will lead to nothing except cameras and recorders getting banned for the rest of the tour.

 

weren't they banned from the beginning of the tour?

[Prince Whiskers]

All this sound and fury will lead to nothing except cameras and recorders getting banned for the rest of the tour.

 

weren't they banned from the beginning of the tour?

They were allowed in most places.

[Jan]

Why are you sure that they're not watching her every move? For them to stage a show like this, especially since it's half live and live tracks and pre-recorded tracks have to be merged seamlessly - they have to be even more careful. Just a logical thought... [/color]

 

So when she messed up the lyrics in Nice for example, that was also a strategy to make the audience believe that she was singing live? I think you've become so suspicous that you see more lipped songs than there actually are. I agree with your list more or less, except that RDMH and Alone are live, I'm sure. All By Myself must be live except THE High Note. And finally MHWGO may be lipped, but I don't think it sounds the same as in Vegas.

 

I like her very much which doesn't mean that I don't see her mistakes. I was at her concert in Vienna and I noticed that certain (parts of) songs were lipped. I hope they will do something before this issue grows more serious.

[OnlyCeline]

Celine can still sing MHWGO live.. remember the "LIVE" performance at Dancing With The Stars?

[Nikosn17]

Celine can still sing MHWGO live.. remember the "LIVE" performance at Dancing With The Stars?

 

I knoooww. Maybe she is afraid of not ruining the last song of the evening and at the same time the most important one for the general audience.

[QueenCeline]

Someone said something about her moving her mouth to look like vibrato. I can't find it and quote it though. But anyway, something I find interesting, that in her lipped performances she moves her mouth like it was said. But, in most of her live performances, her mouth never moves and the vibrato comes deep from within I wonder if she ever looks at herself when she sings live, compared to when she doesn't. Who knows?

[Love,]

Someone said something about her moving her mouth to look like vibrato. I can't find it and quote it though. But anyway, something I find interesting, that in her lipped performances she moves her mouth like it was said. But, in most of her live performances, her mouth never moves and the vibrato comes deep from within I wonder if she ever looks at herself when she sings live, compared to when she doesn't. Who knows?

I'm laughing because I'm reminded of two things:

 

• Gypsy Miller's impression of Celine

• and Shon's now-famous interpretation of Celine's face during the lipping of high note as "that Blank Face"

 

It's hilarious when she has to lip the long notes such as the endings of "The Power of Love" and "To Love You More," because she looks like a screaming deer in the headlights!

 

 

Why are you sure that they're not watching her every move? For them to stage a show like this, especially since it's half live and live tracks and pre-recorded tracks have to be merged seamlessly - they have to be even more careful. Just a logical thought... [/color]

 

So when she messed up the lyrics in Nice for example, that was also a strategy to make the audience believe that she was singing live? I think you've become so suspicous that you see more lipped songs than there actually are. I agree with your list more or less, except that RDMH and Alone are live, I'm sure. All By Myself must be live except THE High Note. And finally MHWGO may be lipped, but I don't think it sounds the same as in Vegas.

I've become so suspicious that I see more lipped songs than they already are?

What are you, my shrink?

 

I don't over-exaggerate.

I love to joke and be humorous, but I can be quite reasonable and logical.

 

I take things at face value.

I saw what I saw and I heard what I heard.

 

Take the time to read my other posts in this thread before you draw any conclusions on me.

Edited August 5, 2008 at 09:35 PM by Love,

[pat200]

Someone said something about her moving her mouth to look like vibrato. I can't find it and quote it though. But anyway, something I find interesting, that in her lipped performances she moves her mouth like it was said. But, in most of her live performances, her mouth never moves and the vibrato comes deep from within I wonder if she ever looks at herself when she sings live, compared to when she doesn't. Who knows?

 

i said that. and it is true. u don't need to move ur lips like to get vibrato. and that is why it pisses me off when she does. it is like she is lipping and telling us she is doing it. but she still is the best there is, and this is judged by the real live performances she gives. no vocalist has ever shown such versatility with their voice.

i think if she did less venues with more time between each, she wouldn't have lipped the songs. at least i hope so. plus as many mentioned, she needs to start singing the newer songs in her concerts.

[Thecolourofmylove]

Someone said something about her moving her mouth to look like vibrato. I can't find it and quote it though. But anyway, something I find interesting, that in her lipped performances she moves her mouth like it was said. But, in most of her live performances, her mouth never moves and the vibrato comes deep from within I wonder if she ever looks at herself when she sings live, compared to when she doesn't. Who knows?

 

Thats her TELL! You can always tell if Celine's lipping b/c she will wiggle her lips (like Whitney does naturally) to simulate vibrato.

 

Now, back on topic. This will indeed make the press here in America and will begin to show in official reviews of her concerts that appear in local newspapers all over the country. However, she has always done it and THANK GOD.. have you HEARD her Wintergarden performances? If she still performed like that she would NEVER have the successful tours she has now. As a fan, I can tell when its happening and it bothers me, but I understand its part of the business... it has been since the mid-to-late nineties!!

[boyblackuk]

Why are you sure that they're not watching her every move? For them to stage a show like this, especially since it's half live and live tracks and pre-recorded tracks have to be merged seamlessly - they have to be even more careful. Just a logical thought... [/color]

 

So when she messed up the lyrics in Nice for example, that was also a strategy to make the audience believe that she was singing live? I think you've become so suspicous that you see more lipped songs than there actually are. I agree with your list more or less, except that RDMH and Alone are live, I'm sure. All By Myself must be live except THE High Note. And finally MHWGO may be lipped, but I don't think it sounds the same as in Vegas.

 

I like her very much which doesn't mean that I don't see her mistakes. I was at her concert in Vienna and I noticed that certain (parts of) songs were lipped. I hope they will do something before this issue grows more serious.

 

Here Here!!!! I was listening to a few versions of River Deep Mountain High and Alone today, to see if there was a point and all of them were definately live. They all had difference although mainly slight ones.

 

CAN I POINT OUT...This story has went no-where except on this forum. No one cares they still love her all the same

[QueenCeline]

have you HEARD her Wintergarden performances? If she still performed like that she would NEVER have the successful tours she has now.

 

What was wrong with those performances? I thought they were wonderful

[takeachance]

Ok, it really does not bother me whether or not she lyp syncs or not, i hadnt a clue until it was pointed out for me, actually i would prefer not to know about this. So i really think she does it for a good reason, prob if she sang live ALL the time she would have no voice left, then wed all be very sad Obviously we love to hear celine singing live and reaching those high notes right infront of us, but she still does this. people have got too technical these days and no one misses a trick. As far as im concerned she can do whatever, its cool by me, im still a fan

[Shaun]

I dont understand this whole "if she sang live all the time it would ruin her voice" argument. SHE. IS. A. SINGER!

 

No-one is asking her to scream silly for 90 mins but expecting her to sing live for 90 mins isn't being unreasonable. No-one is wanting a scandal (I certainly dont), no-one is wishing for Celine's downfall but what it is acceptable to want is for Celine to sing live. Come on everyone, have an open mind here, Celine Dion is a singer (one of the finest in the world) and it's only reasonable to expect her to perform her concerts 100% live, something she hasn't done thus far. Disappointing to say the least.