Céline under attack for using playback

[Love,]

Probably someone read our forum and the stupid comments made by so many people here, insisting that she's doing playback, when she obviously doesn't!

Stupid comments?

Now that's just silly...

 

No offense - I was seriously waiting for you to see this thread!

 

I CANNOT BELIEVE that you still deny Celine's lipping, after all this.

 

FACE THE MUSIC. You must fall under one of the categories that I mentioned for people who don't believe that Celine lips.

 

People who deny Celine's lipping must be:

• Living in a fantasy world

• Deaf

• Blind

• Just plain stupid...

 

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM by Love,

[Bralo20]

Probably someone read our forum and the stupid comments made by so many people here, insisting that she's doing playback, when she obviously doesn't!

 

There is actually no doubt about the playback issue. She uses playback on several numbers during the show. Some are nearly complete lipsync, some only a part. Several are completely live brought...

 

On some video's it is very clear that she isn't singing live... Even when you visit the show yourself and really paid attention you should be able to notice some even without knowing that she uses lipsync...

 

I haven't seen the video's that were published on the newspaper's website (since they allready disappeared from Youtube, wonder why?), I will look for them later, they are probably posted elsewhere also.

 

I thought they never published something about a live performance but after reading the press releases it was actually announced as a live tour:

 

It promises to be another spectacular live concert event where Celine will perform her biggest hits, along with songs from her new English album Taking Chances which will be released on November 13th. The show, which is being directed by Jamie King (Madonna's Confessions World Tour, Christina Aguilera's Back to Basics World Tour, Ricky Martin's Livin' La Vida Loca World Tour) will accompany Celine's performances with a visual feast of color, fashion, dance and surprise!

 

 

Wonder what the management or SonyBMG will state about this issue? They can't deny it because there is indeed use of lipsync during the shows but on the other hand it will be hard to admit it...

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM by Bralo20

[Love,]

It promises to be another spectacular live concert event where Celine will perform her biggest hits, along with songs from her new English album Taking Chances which will be released on November 13th. The show, which is being directed by Jamie King (Madonna's Confessions World Tour, Christina Aguilera's Back to Basics World Tour, Ricky Martin's Livin' La Vida Loca World Tour) will accompany Celine's performances with a visual feast of color, fashion, dance and surprise!

 

Wonder what the management or SonyBMG will state about this issue? They can't deny it because there is indeed use of lipsync during the shows but on the other hand it will be hard to admit it...

Oh, don't get me started with the "VISUAL FEAST OF COLOR, FASHION, DANCE, and SURPRISE" My BIG AAAAA Boootay!!! What visual feast? I see too many flames on the LED screens! :sofunny:

 

It was more like a half-baked dinner with not enough spices, but wayyyy too many desserts! :mdr:

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM by Love,

[Bralo20]

I CANNOT BELIEVE that you still deny Celine's lipping, after all this.

 

FACE THE MUSIC. You must fall under one of the categories that I mentioned for people who don't believe that Celine lips.

 

Some people (probably the real die hard fans who can't hear any point of slight critism about theire idol) will still be denying the fact that it's true just because they don't want to believe it... They love her so much that they just can't or wont believe it. Even with some evidence presented...

 

On the other hand you have also people who believe that she playbacked the whole show, which is, offcourse, also not true...

 

The facts are that she was indeed using lipsync during the shows, probably about 30% (at most?) in the English shows and a bit less, let's say about 20% during the French shows...

 

Is she a bad artist becaus she uses lipsync, live on tape, voiceover or whatever? No she is not! She is still one of the World's finest artists and she will be so in the future... But the fact is also that the shows were announced as a live show and people are just not expecting playback during a show which is announced as a live performance...

 

And that is just the problem...

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM by Bralo20

[Bralo20]

Oh, don't get me started with the "VISUAL FEAST OF COLOR, FASHION, DANCE, and SURPRISE" My BIG AAAAA Boootay!!! What visual feast? I see too many flames on the LED screens! :sofunny:

 

It was more like a half-baked dinner with not enough spices, but wayyyy too many desserts! :mdr:[/color]

 

That's another issue... Personal I didn't find the show to bad, I really liked it... But yes, also this can indeed be questioned... It wasn't indeed an actual visual feast of color, fashion, dance and surprise... But it's wasn't to bad either

 

 

However, that's another issue...

[Teodora]

I'm not gonna fight you on this topic, it's not worth it. The fact is she's not doing playback, and on all those videos on youtube and stuff like that it's merely a problem is mic issues. She does use samples every now and then, which is normal and it's not playback. And there are only a few of you that keep insisting she does, unfortunately, the loudest people on this forum, the ones that most the most. The majority does not think she does playback they just kept away from this silly topic, as I will too from now on. Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:20 AM by Teodora

[PrincessCéline]

Since Vegas.

 

During this tour, there are some videos which prove that River deep is live. On a video, she forgot the lyrics and start the song with the second verset. In Nice, for exemple (I was there), she advances the micro under the audience, to let people sing.

 

I totally agree with the fact that there's playback on the show. But, playback is not on every songs.

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM by PrincessCéline

[CellyDee87]

I'm not gonna fight you on this topic, it's not worth it. The fact is she's not doing playback, and on all those videos on youtube and stuff like that it's merely a problem is mic issues. She does use samples every now and then, which is normal and it's not playback. And there are only a few of you that keep insisting she does, unfortunately, the loudest people on this forum, the ones that most the most. The majority does not think she does playback they just kept away from this silly topic, as I will too from now on.

 

Mic Issues???

 

So then it's fair to say then, that she's been having "mic issues" for several years.

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM by Denelle

[Love,]

I'm not gonna fight you on this topic, it's not worth it. The fact is she's not doing playback, and on all those videos on youtube and stuff like that it's merely a problem is mic issues. She does use samples every now and then, which is normal and it's not playback. And there are only a few of you that keep insisting she does, unfortunately, the loudest people on this forum, the ones that most the most. The majority does not think she does playback they just kept away from this silly topic, as I will too from now on.

Fact? Mic problems? You have no facts! You have your endless, personal fantasy...

 

OH

MY

GOD.

 

So there were mic problems on ALL the performances of "I Drove All Night" "The Power of Love" "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" "To Love you More" "Eyes on Me" "All By Myself" "Alone" "The Show Must Go On" "My Heart Will Go On" and select "River Deep, Mountain High"?

 

And I'm LOUD? Just because I'm RIGHT! And I speak TRUTHS.

I'm a frickin' classically-trained musician. I know a sound when I hear it. I know if it's good or bad. It doesn't even take a trained musician to figure out this woman lips!

 

Okay.. maybe I'll just be LOUDDDDDDDDDDDDD

 

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

MIC PROBLEM!?

 

:mdr:

 

Celine: "AHHHHHHH Rene! I 'ave uhhhh... Mic Problummm! UHHHH!!! Get meyyyy a new mike now, 'oneyyyyy!!!!"

 

 

 

I CANNOT BELIEVE that you still deny Celine's lipping, after all this.

 

FACE THE MUSIC. You must fall under one of the categories that I mentioned for people who don't believe that Celine lips.

 

Some people (probably the real die hard fans who can't hear any point of slight critism about theire idol) will still be denying the fact that it's true just because they don't want to believe it... They love her so much that they just can't or wont believe it. Even with some evidence presented...

 

On the other hand you have also people who believe that she playbacked the whole show, which is, offcourse, also not true...

 

The facts are that she was indeed using lipsync during the shows, probably about 30% (at most?) in the English shows and a bit less, let's say about 20% during the French shows...

 

Is she a bad artist becaus she uses lipsync, live on tape, voiceover or whatever? No she is not! She is still one of the World's finest artists and she will be so in the future... But the fact is also that the shows were announced as a live show and people are just not expecting playback during a show which is announced as a live performance...

 

And that is just the problem...

Bralo, it's 50% of the show. How many times do I have to reiterate this?

Many of the songs that she sings LIVE are shortened (like BYLM or WWRY), or short 3-minute songs (TC, SOL), and only a few are longer ones, but they're the easy ones. Most of her lengthy songs are lipped.

 

And Teodora is a perfect example of those die hard fans. I remember her so fondly from her denials of Celine lipping during "A New Day..." because she said that she was THERE, and she saw Celine with her own eyes, and heard Celine with her own ears. Maybe she was crying so much at the concert that her vision and hearing were distorted? :hmm:

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:57 AM by Love,

[Davey84]

Oh, don't get me started with the "VISUAL FEAST OF COLOR, FASHION, DANCE, and SURPRISE" My BIG AAAAA Boootay!!! What visual feast? I see too many flames on the LED screens! :sofunny:

 

It was more like a half-baked dinner with not enough spices, but wayyyy too many desserts! :mdr:[/color]

 

Sophoan, don't go there! the normal in the round concert is a visual feast!!

 

It promises to be another spectacular live concert event where Celine will perform her biggest hits, along with songs from her new English album Taking Chances

 

Wonder what the management or SonyBMG will state about this issue? They can't deny it because there is indeed use of lipsync during the shows but on the other hand it will be hard to admit it...

 

But the fact is also that the shows were announced as a live show and people are just not expecting playback during a show which is announced as a live performance...

Stijn you read it wrong, it is a show with live songs from the new album and she 'performs' (that could be anything, she could also pantomime it! ) her old hits

 

but again this topic is not about if she does it or not, it is about being attacked for it in the media

Edited August 4, 2008 at 10:37 AM by Davey84

[nano]

I love her lips.

 

there were some reviews on the Finnish papers after the concert saying that the concert was amazing, but it was almost too perfect. Reporters didn't write anything about her lipping but that was basically what they meant...

[Jacqui]

Sometimes it is hard to believe you guys are fans. You act more like critics that don't give a d*mn how Celine feels, or how you make other fans feel when they're just trying to support her. I'm not even talking about whether or not she uses playback. You're still being rude when you pass judgement on everyone and actually wish for someone's reputation to be messed with.

[Love,]

and now we shall have a moment of silence...

[Céline's Blues]

I have never seen Sophoan as opinionated before. It's interesting...

[Galuush]

Sometimes it is hard to believe you guys are fans. You act more like critics that don't give a d*mn how Celine feels, or how you make other fans feel when they're just trying to support her. I'm not even talking about whether or not she uses playback. You're still being rude when you pass judgement on everyone and actually wish for someone's reputation to be messed with.

I agree!!!

[Bralo20]

Sometimes it is hard to believe you guys are fans. You act more like critics that don't give a d*mn how Celine feels, or how you make other fans feel when they're just trying to support her. I'm not even talking about whether or not she uses playback. You're still being rude when you pass judgement on everyone and actually wish for someone's reputation to be messed with.

 

Hmmm... Can't find anything "rude" in my posts...

 

And for the 100.000th time:

 

I like Céline Dion and her music very much... I like her performances as a human and I like her music very much als a music lover in general... I saw Céline perform in Brussels ('99), Las Vegas ('06), Antwerp ('08) and Arras ('08). If I didn't like her performances I probably wouldn't have saw any show of her since the show in 1999... During the past decade I visited dozens of shows from classical orchestra's and opera's over Luciano Pavarotti to U2, The Police, The Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, Aerosmith, John Fogerty, Céline Dion and many many more... If I don't like something I wont visit a show from this person or group ever again... I saw Shaggy once and I never will go see him perform again... Just because I don't like his attitude and also his singing wasn't that good... But liking someone or someones music doesn't mean you can't have an opinion about the performer or the music don't you think so?

 

And it's not something about ruining a career, it's something about getting the truth about something... For example this is a case were a lot of people actually want to know if she is using playback or not... Or at least if there will be an official statement about this issue... We all know that she uses plackback during her shows... And in fact there is no problem about it but the real problem is that her team and probably also Sony announced the show as a LIVE show... During the show it was noticeable that she used lipsync on several numbers... When the video's appeared on the internet and the high quality bootlegs were published the suspicion became reality... She was indeed using lipsync during probably all shows... How much? Don't know that... Probably about 30% at most... And if a "fan" could figur it out, it wouldn't take long for the media to find out... And actually it took a long time, probably also because they had to be certain about it... And yes, now the word has spread and it is becoming news on some media... This weekend it was published in one newspaper, today other newspapers are picking the story up and probably it won't take long before other, international, media will spread the news... Fortunate for Ms. Dion the news was spread in Belgium in a rather positive matter, like the media couldn't believe that she, one of the biggest stars in the world actually used a technique that is more something for the newer, younger generation and not for famous stars like Ms. Dion however the facts are pointing to playback...

 

 

And this thread is about the media who picked up the news about the lipsync... So let's keep it that way so the thread hasn't to be closed. Let's all keep in mind that Céline Dion is a great singer and we all love her but that we all have a right on an opinion, regardless what opinion it is... It's not because we question the playback technique that we don't like her anymore...

 

I the end, I think that everybody, regardless what they think, has the right to a decent explanation to this fact... Hopefully a press release from Ms. Dion, her management and the recordcompany will give us this explanation...

 

 

Just my 2 cents...

[MartinMunich]

Sometimes it is hard to believe you guys are fans. You act more like critics that don't give a d*mn how Celine feels, or how you make other fans feel when they're just trying to support her. I'm not even talking about whether or not she uses playback. You're still being rude when you pass judgement on everyone and actually wish for someone's reputation to be messed with.

 

Amen.

And now we should all light a candle on our Celine Altar and pray for forgiveness.

[celine_026]

I know this topic is about her being attacked by the press.

 

but HEY it's time for us to leave a topic OPEN for the playback issue!

It is huge and is something that we care about. Why deny it?

 

PEOPLE WAKE UP??!! Can you?

 

OMG, the first time I saw Celine was when she was walking down the ramp

singing The power of love -- I completely fell in love w/ her! I fell in love w/her

on that show, on that day. For years I could not just believe that Celine was SOOO

POWERFUL and larger than life...

 

You all hard fans don't think I felt really bad once I discovered that this presentation

which made me love her... was fake too? This was really bad for me and really is.

One of my heros, one of my greatest passions, unmasked as fake on her live shows.

People always come to me -- Gosh, she does it so perfectly. Theres nobody like her!

 

What will I say to them once they get to know this?

What will be left of Celine after they discover this?

Has Rene, Her, and her team give it a thought about it?

It can completely destroy her! But they seem to... like... don't care.

Why... why my Gosh, someone like her, with her voice... do this?

I really don't get it. Doing something like this to the point where US, her own fans...

get somewhat felling wrong. Doing it so many times that even on the recording of

the dvd... she does lip too. What's the point then?

 

I'm not here to bash someone which my last.fm says i've listened 6 thousand times.

I just pray, I just PRAY that she really STOPS doing this, cos it's NOT WORKING anymore.

 

Ak, ok, the topic is about press.

What I think about? Geez, you know what's gonna happen

They gonna go after her big time -- and... unfortunately, this time, she deserves it.

You pay some 200$ or more for a concert that is one of the most expensive in the world.

What will those who paid think of her...

That leaves me open mouthed.

 

B the way, can we do something? Send them a letter or something?

let them know that we KNOW, and perhaps... remind them of the consequences?

Cos I guess they forgot...

[celine_026]

I have never seen Sophoan as opinionated before. It's interesting...

 

I guess he has the right, uh?

I saw him on the dvd watching that lip fest.

He certainly is somewhat pissed w/ that

[MartinMunich]

Also, maybe - in the end - this whole thing turns into something positive for everybody involved.

If the media confrontates her with this issue it might get the message through to her that she has a major need to change things URGENTLY, if she wants to play a role in the music industry.

 

I think she and her team got way, way too comfortable with doing what they were doing - same old songs, same old arrangements, same old playback tapes....

 

I really can´t see what Celines artistry is about these days - running around on stage, doing playback songs and making goofy gestures on a countryfair stage with five lamps?

 

I don´t think that she needs to be perfect but she needs to be LIVE in a LIVE show - because this what people love her for - being able to sing like almost nobody else can do.

In the end, she did NOT hit one single high note live during this concert tour - that is pretty poor and also unique in the music world.

 

I would go that far and call it a catastrophe for an artist of her reputation.

 

I just talked to a friend of mine who works for the german Bild-Zeitung (some gossip paper, sort of like the Sun in UK) - they are currently checking the story and planning to publish the truth about the Celine-Mini-Playback-Show as well.

[Davey84]

well I agree with that last thing you said Martin, I also hope that this whole thing turns into something positive for everybody involved.

 

hmm the Bild-Zeitung is quite big isn't it oh boy...

Edited August 4, 2008 at 11:51 AM by Davey84

[Bralo20]

well I agree with that last thing you said Martin, I also hope that this whole thing turns into something positive for everybody involved.

 

hmm the Bild-Zeitung is quite big isn't it oh boy...

 

Bild is indeed one of the bigger newspapers in Germany...

[celine_026]

I think she and her team got way, way too comfortable with doing what they were doing - same old songs, same old arrangements, same old playback tapes....

 

Just well said! I hate those oldie arrangements. Megoo can't go anymore.

Celine is one of the only who carry those oldies. Her band is formed of old people.

Go look at Tina's band

New peeople, new fresh people could give it a new touch, a new look at her songs

and fresh start to her show.

 

Some people said here that she should have done at least 3 versions of the

playback tapes OMG that was so funny! Actually, would have been good uh...

to hide . I bet the hard core fans would have loved it.

 

And yes, not only the Bild-Zeitung, the other ones too.

[tomaat]

I just talked to a friend of mine who works for the german Bild-Zeitung (some gossip paper, sort of like the Sun in UK) - they are currently checking the story and planning to publish the truth about the Celine-Mini-Playback-Show as well.

 

Doesn't surprise me either. In Germany, ticket prices went up to €252,00, that's huge!!

[Céline's Blues]

Martin, you're one big freaken mess. You aren't doing Céline any favour by passing the info to a TABLOID paper.

[Bralo20]

Another article, published today on a Belgian Music site:

 

Céline Dion accused for playback during shows?

 

Céline Dion doesn't have to prove anything anymore but if we may believe the discussions it seems that the Canadian singer doesn't mind to playback during her concerts. Céline Dion nor the management haven't send a reaction yet to the hopefully wrong accusations.

 

Youtube discussion

It is a public secret that Madonna, Britney Spears, Dolly Parton and even some hip rockbands like Moby, Depeche Mode and Snow Patrol are using several playback stunts during concerts. In the case of Céline Dion, which is worldwide know as the vocal topsinger, it's another deal.

 

However, Céline Dion has been caught performing on several playback moments during the shows. On Youtube severe discussions have been fought about this issue. A Youtube user posted 2 video's which had 2 similar performances of the same number. However recorded in several years of time both are identical to each other.

 

Céline Dion remains silent

On Celinedion.nl were some videos posted from "I drove all night" where the first part sounded weak and even with an unsteady voice. However right in the middle of the song a remarkable recovery was made and the second part sounded extremely well. For some it is the prove that her microphone was turned off and her vocals were replaced with a voice recording on tape.

 

Céline Dion and her team are letting the discussions go and are not replying to the accusations.

 

http://www.eurosong.be/nieuws.php?id=13181

[Kyle_Jared]

Personally, I understand using playback on a couple of songs.........espeically all by myself everynight......that would KILL her vocally if she were to deliver it 140 nights in a year! With that in mind, if she continues to use playback too much she will be caught.......and it will be nothing short of a disaster. and it could be imminent

[Bellamy]

Martin, you're one big freaken mess. You aren't doing Céline any favour by passing the info to a TABLOID paper.

I'm not surprised to see some "fans" are trying hard to pass this story all over the tabloids.

[Bralo20]

Martin, you're one big freaken mess. You aren't doing Céline any favour by passing the info to a TABLOID paper.

 

He isn't passing the info regarding this issue, he just contacted a friend to hear about the story and it seems that they confirmed it that in will become a newsstory in Germany as well...

 

Also in Belgium other media are picking up the story and publications are made...

 

Once a ball is rolling it is hard to stop it...

 

Everyone does need to realise that journalists are reading also the internet and are also reviewing Youtube and several other sites... When they hear a rumour they will investigate it. And fortunately the media in Belgium was rather kind to wait untill they had confirmations about the playback issue from some sources like musicians, producers, etc... who listened all to the recordings and concluded that on several occasions playback was used... Otherwise it had become a news headline during the EU tour...

[Bralo20]

I'm not surprised to see some "fans" are trying hard to pass this story all over the tabloids.

 

It's not necessary to pass the information... There is in Europe news exchange by all the national newsagencies so you may be certain that someone in some country has picked up the news.