Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[KyleVan41]

It’s lorde for frig sake nobody wants to see her live - of course it wouldn’t be worth it for her

[Shamrock_1982]

Savage… but no lies were told!

[rfkavanagh]

Not directly Céline-related, but some of you may benefit from learning a bit more about the crazy logistical scheduling that goes into a high-profile tour.

 

[comingback]

CNN Breaking News: Rockets or Missiles hit Poland Edited November 15, 2022 at 07:46 PM by comingback

[nuts2you]

Well, I guess we'll found out soon enough if this tour will continue on as planned, if it is going forward I can see them announcing something really soon , like Next Month or Jan time frame

 

Cause they would have to get everyone on the same page

[garyhollander]

 

True but then again, just look at all these other veteran artists who have been giving so much for the past 3/4/5/6 decades and they still show so much passion for their craft and their career and they do amazing things for their fans. Elton John is a prime example, he has released so much more music than Céline and performed an insane amount over the past 50-60 years, has two young kids just like Céline, and just never seems to run out of creativity and passion. As a fan of his I am glad to be spoiled everyday. Even Shania or Mariah, who are part of Céline’s cohort, are still so passionate about what they do and, while neither has performed as much as Céline has, they still give their fans as much as they can within their personal limitations, and they obviously love doing it. What I’m trying to say is that, while all these people age and progress through their careers just like Céline does, it doesn’t seem to be impacting their passion, ambition and dedication. They keep giving just as much as they have their whole lives. So, while Céline may well have different priorities and interests (which I totally understand and will accept), I don’t think that expecting her to carry on and be the way she was in the 90s and 00s is unrealistic.

Yeah look at patty and barbra and such they are fealing differently its easy to choose the people that do do it mariah doesnt tour she is on social and shania is bringing out first album in like 10 years orsoo celien has released far more than here so nothing you say is a fact

 

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[KyleVan41]

I suspect this tour to be scrapped

[ordinary fan]

I suspect this tour to be scrapped

Why can't you just hope for the best? It doesn't look that bad, unless it becomes true that it get canceled, right now it seems everything is fine and I think we'll hear something from her soon

[scielle]

I suspect this tour to be scrapped

 

Well, RTL just got confirmation from her team that it’s on, so…

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Well, RTL just got confirmation from her team that it’s on, so…

 

Did they though? I seem to recall many a news source getting confirmation the tour was scheduled to go ahead both in 2021 and in 2022 before the cancellations and postponements came through. All I’m saying is her team (and they’re wise to) will likely just say to everyone “yes it’s going ahead as scheduled, the dates are all there” regardless of what the case is behind the scenes to avoid speculation and to keep it until the very last minute before they have to cancel or postpone.

[scielle]

Did they though? I seem to recall many a news source getting confirmation the tour was scheduled to go ahead both in 2021 and in 2022 before the cancellations and postponements came through. All I’m saying is her team (and they’re wise to) will likely just say to everyone “yes it’s going ahead as scheduled, the dates are all there” regardless of what the case is behind the scenes to avoid speculation and to keep it until the very last minute before they have to cancel or postpone.

 

Yes, all true. But the official word at the moment, such as it is, is “still on as planned”.

[scielle]

I've said it on here before and I'll keep saying it until I will it into existence - Celine should do French shows outside of Quebec and France.

 

There's a market, now more than ever.

I saw Stromae at Madison Square Garden last night - 20,000 people, in New York, singing along in French. And he's doing it again tonight. After having played similar arena shows in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Washington... All in French.

And it's not just expats - lots of people around us who didn't speak French, but still paid for the tickets.

Same this past weekend - saw Coeur de Pirate here in NYC. Again, all French show, smaller venue (1.5k), but also nearly sold out, and not a single English song.

And this past summer - Notre Dame de Paris sold out a 2-week run in NYC, in the original French. Was supposed to be a week, but they sold out and made it two. That's 12 shows, at a 2.5k capacity venue - over 30,000 tickets sold for an all-French show, with no particular star talent.

 

It's not just expats or francophiles like me. People in anglo markets are not as allergic to foreign language content as they once were. K-Pop and Latin music ruling the charts are the obvious examples, but it's not just that. We're watching more non-English shows and movies than ever (see here, for instance: THR: Americans Are Watching More International TV Than Ever Before) Language barriers in pop culture are not what they once were.

 

Celine came of age as a pop star at the time when even the accent on her name was considered too foreign. Now people are adding accents to their names to appear more original and exotic. Her accent, her French career, are assets she should be leveraging, not hiding.

 

Why does Celine, the best-selling French language artist of all time, show up to late night TV at the height of Encore un Soir promo and sing The Show Must Go On? While Stromae can go on Jimmy Fallon, Kimmel, Steven Colbert shows and sing entirely in French?

 

I really, really hope this changes with her next French release.

Edited November 22, 2022 at 01:32 PM by scielle

[AdrienneM]

I've said it on here before and I'll keep saying it until I will it into existence - Celine should do French shows outside of Quebec and France.

 

There's a market, now more than ever.

I saw Stromae at Madison Square Garden last night - 20,000 people, in New York, singing along in French. And he's doing it again tonight. After having played similar arena shows in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Washington... All in French.

And it's not just expats - lots of people around us who didn't speak French, but still paid for the tickets.

Same this past weekend - saw Coeur de Pirate here in NYC. Again, all French show, smaller venue (1.5k), but also nearly sold out, and not a single English song.

And this past summer - Notre Dame de Paris sold out a 2-week run in NYC, in the original French. Was supposed to be a week, but they sold out and made it two. That's 12 shows, at a 2.5k capacity venue - over 30,000 tickets sold for an all-French show, with no particular star talent.

 

It's not just expats or francophiles like me. People in anglo markets are not as allergic to foreign language content as they once were. K-Pop and Latin music ruling the charts are the obvious examples, but it's not just that. We're watching more non-English shows and movies than ever (see here, for instance: THR: Americans Are Watching More International TV Than Ever Before) Language barriers in pop culture are not what they once were.

 

Celine came of age as a pop star at the time when even the accent on her name was considered too foreign. Now people are adding accents to their names to appear more original and exotic. Her accent, her French career, are assets she should be leveraging, not hiding.

 

Why does Celine, the best-selling French language artist of all time, show up to late night TV at the height of Encore un Soir promo and sing The Show Must Go On? While Stromae can go on Jimmy Fallon, Kimmel, Steven Colbert shows and sing entirely in French?

 

I really, really hope this changes with her next French release.

 

Unfortunately if that ever does happen, it will be a very long way away, exclusivity contracts etc etc. I could see her doing it in Europe, but honestly I think the chances of her doing an all-French tour or an acoustic or deep cuts tour are slim to zero now. I’d imagine they'd select smaller, more intimate venues and the profit margins are too slim and to make up for it she’d have to do like 80 shows. It’s a shame, imo.

[scielle]

Aren’t the Colosseum and RW 4-5k capacity venues?

And if Stromae can sell multiple arena-sized French shows in the US, I see no reason why Céline can’t do the same. (Not that I’d want them arena-sized. Would much prefer a smaller venue, like one of the Lincoln Center theatres, for example.)

And an actual theatre - unlike an arena - would require much less gear and rigging, so a lower cost proposition.

[AdrienneM]

Aren’t the Colosseum and RW 4-5k capacity venues?

And if Stromae can sell multiple arena-sized French shows in the US, I see no reason why Céline can’t do the same. (Not that I’d want them arena-sized. Would much prefer a smaller venue, like one of the Lincoln Center theatres, for example.)

And an actual theatre - unlike an arena - would require much less gear and rigging, so a lower cost proposition.

 

The issue is however- a vegas residency would *never* be French exclusive. Her contract will include all sorts of requirements of her both professionally and artistically- and I’m sure the Same as was the case with Cher, Elton, Adele and Gaga there’s a “hits” clause in there to ensure audience satisfaction and draw. And as for performing in the US, as long as she’s in Vegas that’s a no go. The point is however, her fee, her payment for all her band, the tech people, the transportation of goods etc is too high to make back on a 3,000 capacity venue- wasn’t Lorde, someone performing in theatres, just talking about this? Her fee per show is *at least $500,000*, how is she gonna even break that even when her average arena show grosses around $1.5 million in a venue 4 times bigger than your average theatre? (And that’s with tickets already being ridiculously expensive) Especially in Europe right now. And so I don’t see them taking the gamble financially, least of all artistically.

Edited November 22, 2022 at 02:46 PM by AdrienneM

[Alex_Incognito]

I've said it on here before and I'll keep saying it until I will it into existence - Celine should do French shows outside of Quebec and France.

 

 

 

I saw Gims in Atlanta and Christine and the Queens in Oakland. Was great. I had the same thoughts as you.

[smw]

Celine came of age as a pop star at the time when even the accent on her name was considered too foreign. Now people are adding accents to their names to appear more original and exotic. Her accent, her French career, are assets she should be leveraging, not hiding.

 

Why does Celine, the best-selling French language artist of all time, show up to late night TV at the height of Encore un Soir promo and sing The Show Must Go On? While Stromae can go on Jimmy Fallon, Kimmel, Steven Colbert shows and sing entirely in French?

 

 

I agree with you. I would love it if Celine did more French shows outside of Quebec and France, and just embraced her French career more altogether. It would add more intrigue to her overall music image again, and would be a lovely way to further cement her legacy as a legendary talent. I imagine if she announced a French show in places like New York or LA, they would sell out fast. She and her team should do it... even if the profit margins are thin. Seeing her at the Hollywood Bowl would be amazing.

 

Celine and Rene showed off her French career more in 1995... when she was promoting D'eux, even in the United States.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smm_8mgh4E

 

1994 / 1995 were such magical, groundbreaking years for Celine and Rene. She appeared on Letterman and sang RDMH. She recorded D'eux, the Phil Spector sessions, and Falling Into You. They were so determined, bold, and focused. They really achieved greatness during that time... and laid the groundwork for her to become an icon for the rest of the decade and beyond.

 

Celine's monumental French career also sets her apart from the other two members of the "vocal trinity"... Mariah and Whitney.

 

If nothing else, I hope that when Celine returns to Vegas -- she includes more French songs. At least two or three in the set list.

Edited November 22, 2022 at 05:44 PM by smw

[maki_Dion-er]

I mean, she doesn't even have to do an entire French show, just replace the English covers section she usually does with her own French songs or covers. Sprinkle them throughout the show.

 

She's already added more French material during CWT. Normally she'd sing one French song, now she sang two lol. I say she can add at least 2 more. And she can easily do the same in Vegas because she gets a lot of foreign fans traveling to see her. It's not just Americans going to her residencies.

 

Oh and she added that French dialogue at the start of the Courage music video. I think she's slowly infusing more of her French music and background into her English career.

Edited November 22, 2022 at 10:07 PM by maki_Dion-er

[smw]

I mean, she doesn't even have to do an entire French show, just replace the English covers section she usually does with her own French songs or covers. Sprinkle them throughout the show.

 

She's already added more French material during CWT. Normally she'd sing one French song, now she sang two lol. I say she can add at least 2 more. And she can easily do the same in Vegas because she gets a lot of foreign fans traveling to see her. It's not just Americans going to her residencies.

 

Oh and she added that French dialogue at the start of the Courage music video. I think she's slowly infusing more of her French music and background into her English career.

 

Good points!

[mirage]

Something I still don't understand. It was the perfect timing to sing EUS!

 

And I agree, I think a lot of people are interested in good music whatever the language is.

And I think that Celine holds a special place by many people, and there will be interest in all French shows.

 

 

 

Why does Celine, the best-selling French language artist of all time, show up to late night TV at the height of Encore un Soir promo and sing The Show Must Go On? While Stromae can go on Jimmy Fallon, Kimmel, Steven Colbert shows and sing entirely in French?

[No1IrishFan]

3 months from today until the tour kicks off again.

 

Absolutely no idea what to expect.

Edited November 24, 2022 at 12:19 PM by No1IrishFan

[AdrienneM]

Expect cancellation, I’d say

[duri]

As the date of the tour is closer and still zero information about Céline it is less and less likely that the tour will take place as planned. It seems she is still not ready. In april she said it´s better but if her health condition is not enough good after 7 month there´s no big chance it will be diffrent in one or two months when she need to start working on rehealsas. It will be nice big surprise if tour will continue in february next year in Prague. Edited November 24, 2022 at 12:31 PM by duri

[stevo]

Or is it ‘no news is good news?’ …well, here we are again…

[duri]

Or is it 'no news is good news?' …well, here we are again…

Don ´t think no news is good news. Good news would be at least some sign from her. Something like real info from her or her team that f.e. she is working on new song(s) or on documentary project or something from her about next year movie ...

[No1IrishFan]

The last postponement came less than a month before the first show. If it’s not happening, we might not know until the end of Jan.

[KyleVan41]

Celine isn’t coming back. The news will be announced eventually, it’s just all very sad

[ordinary fan]

Celine isn't coming back. The news will be announced eventually, it's just all very sad

What makes you so sure? I simply can't understand that security. Until an official cancelation, it's equally likely that the tour goes on or not

[AdrienneM]

What makes you so sure? I simply can't understand that security. Until an official cancelation, it's equally likely that the tour goes on or not

 

To me, if after being ill for 6 months and being unable to tour this summer and saying there was very little improvement, continuing to only appear virtually, not a single health update or even recent picture of her after May, and not even a *whisper* of a proposed rescheduling for Vegas after an entire year- I just don’t have any confidence anymore

Edited November 24, 2022 at 04:41 PM by AdrienneM

[ordinary fan]

To me, if after being ill for 6 months and being unable to tour this summer and saying there was very little improvement, continuing to only appear virtually, not a single health update or even recent picture of her after May, and not even a *whisper* of a proposed rescheduling for Vegas after an entire year- I just don't have any confidence anymore

Yes and I'm preparing myself for bad news too but I try to stay positive