Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[scielle]

Ha. Congrats to the lettuce, I guess 😏 To those of you in the UK, hope things settle down…

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(Also, oops, meant to put this in the Random thread. Sorry.)

Edited October 20, 2022 at 04:43 PM by scielle

[nuts2you]

With this latest news I could see her postponing again, She has said many of time that when is 1000% ready to go,

[KyleVan41]

No way this happening ; cancelations will be posted early new year I assume

[Nmj]

What latest news?

[No1IrishFan]

What’s news do you mean?

[nuts2you]

What latest news?

 

Just go to the LV Thread last page

[No1IrishFan]

 

 

Just go to the LV Thread last page

 

I see nothing on that page to warrant concern. Some doctor offering his thoughts. Most of what he says doesn’t add up and he has his facts wrong.

[scielle]

 

I see nothing on that page to warrant concern. Some doctor offering his thoughts. Most of what he says doesn’t add up and he has his facts wrong.

 

“News” 😂

Soon the tabloids will trot out her erstwhile orthodontist from the early ‘80s to comment. 🙄 Everyone here for their 15 minutes of fame!

[Cuchi]

So considering that the world tour is to resume in February (in a bit over 2 months), I am thinking that they should have announced something by now, if they knew it was unlikely to go ahead.

So in a way, as frustrating as it is having no updates - no news is good news.

[ordinary fan]

So considering that the world tour is to resume in February (in a bit over 2 months), I am thinking that they should have announced something by now, if they knew it was unlikely to go ahead.

So in a way, as frustrating as it is having no updates - no news is good news.

I think so too, I would welcome a video with Celine officially saying that she can't wait and is more than ready but here it's right, no news are good news. So everything is still sheduled to happen as it was planned what is a good thing Edited November 8, 2022 at 04:24 PM by ordinary fan

[Alex_Incognito]

Fans have unrealistic expectations of modern-day Celine. We were spoiled 3ish decades.

[No1IrishFan]

If she postpones it will come end of January I reckon. They haven’t been in any way quick to let people know before. Sadly they don’t think like rational people who have to plan trips in advance.

[CSCfan]

If she postpones it will come end of January I reckon. They haven't been in any way quick to let people know before. Sadly they don't think like rational people who have to plan trips in advance.

 

No way will they postpone AGAIN.

 

Although things are really looking good for a 2023 comeback... my gut still says the Courage tour is over and done. But we'll see..

[No1IrishFan]

 

 

No way will they postpone AGAIN.

 

Although things are really looking good for a 2023 comeback... my gut still says the Courage tour is over and done. But we'll see..

 

Oh agreed actually. They can’t postpone again. If she isn’t well then it’s cancellation.

 

Not sure I agree though on it not happening. If she’s up to it I reckon she’ll want to get on with shows as doesn’t she have a mammoth number of shows to complete in the next x years or something? Maybe I’m clutching at straws as I have tickets lol

[Shaun]

If they know NOW that the tour won’t go ahead then they should be cancelling and refunding people NOW. Not in January, February etc. This has gone on long enough.

[Alex_Incognito]

That is a LOT of money to return.

[AdrienneM]

It’s crazy to think that for a total year now, she’s been away due to health issues. And I’m genuinely of the opinion that she was so ready to go with the new vegas show and finishing up the tour. I do however think, that after a year of little to no improvement (considering how she’s worded it and their silence has reflected it) that they will know by now whether or not she’s ready to go. If she isn’t, then she’s not going to make a full 180 in 3 months. It just won’t happen. Better to say so now than drag it out.

[scielle]

Touring right now is hard. Tours getting rescheduled and downright canceled by many artists, this just the latest. Ongoing Covid issues, rampant inflation across the globe (thus touring costs eating into already razor-thin margins, and people cutting back on luxuries like tickets as disposable incomes drop), supply chain issues, overbooked venues…

Particularly difficult for smaller artists, who just can’t make it work financially anymore and canceling for good.

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[ryba]

There is definitely more to it than just Celines health, logistic issues due to covid playing the main part.

[Shamrock_1982]

What a load of old s***… logistics issues, lol, yeah maybe if you are touring in Australia or Asia, who are way behind the rest of the world in regards to Covid recovery and rules and regulations still being strict.

 

Céline ain’t going to either of these places.

 

Tours are going ahead normally in the UK and Europe now for months, so don’t blame this as a reason for this particular tour!

 

Stop making up excuses for her, she’s a grown bloody woman!

 

If it’s going ahead, give us a heads up and if it’s not give us a heads up, stop taking the piss out of your fans by updating them a month before. That don’t wash anymore, the worlds a different place and we ain’t all millionaires like Céline.

Edited November 10, 2022 at 08:08 PM by Shamrock_1982

[comingback]

Delete Edited November 10, 2022 at 07:59 PM by comingback

[Céline RO]

Fans have unrealistic expectations of modern-day Celine. We were spoiled 3ish decades.

 

True but then again, just look at all these other veteran artists who have been giving so much for the past 3/4/5/6 decades and they still show so much passion for their craft and their career and they do amazing things for their fans. Elton John is a prime example, he has released so much more music than Céline and performed an insane amount over the past 50-60 years, has two young kids just like Céline, and just never seems to run out of creativity and passion. As a fan of his I am glad to be spoiled everyday. Even Shania or Mariah, who are part of Céline’s cohort, are still so passionate about what they do and, while neither has performed as much as Céline has, they still give their fans as much as they can within their personal limitations, and they obviously love doing it. What I’m trying to say is that, while all these people age and progress through their careers just like Céline does, it doesn’t seem to be impacting their passion, ambition and dedication. They keep giving just as much as they have their whole lives. So, while Céline may well have different priorities and interests (which I totally understand and will accept), I don’t think that expecting her to carry on and be the way she was in the 90s and 00s is unrealistic.

[Céline RO]

If she postpones it will come end of January I reckon. They haven't been in any way quick to let people know before. Sadly they don't think like rational people who have to plan trips in advance.

 

Yeah by now we should really take as given that TC is decidedly irrational. In a funny way, once you come to terms with that, it becomes less frustrating. It’s like you can anticipate what’s gonna happen. What would a rational management team do for their artist in this given situation? Well, TC will do precisely not that.

[PuraVida]

So Celine's entire band -- but not her -- appeared on Quebec TV. Was this their (unartful) way of appeasing/telegraphing to fans that we should expect some news anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months from now?

[ordinary fan]

So Celine's entire band -- but not her -- appeared on Quebec TV. Was this their (unartful) way of appeasing/telegraphing to fans that we should expect some news anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months from now?

I missed this, what was the occasion for their appearance?

[ryba]

So Celine's entire band -- but not her -- appeared on Quebec TV. Was this their (unartful) way of appeasing/telegraphing to fans that we should expect some news anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months from now?

lol, certainly not. They probably just got hired for a job. I wouldn´t interpret too much into it.

[scielle]

I missed this, what was the occasion for their appearance?

 

It was about a week ago, playing with Michel Fugain.

See Random thread.

 

And looks like at least Céline’s band is on Julie’s show… 👀

https://instagram.com/stories/eliseduguayforreal/2966579388259456946?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

https://www.instagram.com/p/CkrRge5OBHz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[ordinary fan]

It was about a week ago, playing with Michel Fugain.

See Random thread.

Ah okay thank's

[scielle]

Touring right now is hard. Tours getting rescheduled and downright canceled by many artists, this just the latest. Ongoing Covid issues, rampant inflation across the globe (thus touring costs eating into already razor-thin margins, and people cutting back on luxuries like tickets as disposable incomes drop), supply chain issues, overbooked venues…

Particularly difficult for smaller artists, who just can't make it work financially anymore and canceling for good.

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What a load of old s***… logistics issues, lol, yeah maybe if you are touring in Australia or Asia, who are way behind the rest of the world in regards to Covid recovery and rules and regulations still being strict.

 

Céline ain't going to either of these places.

 

Tours are going ahead normally in the UK and Europe now for months, so don't blame this as a reason for this particular tour!

 

Stop making up excuses for her, she's a grown bloody woman!

 

 

Not sure who/ what you're referring to with that comment, but what I'm pointing out is that tours are not "going ahead normally".

Many are barely breaking even or running up losses. And logistics issues are not "a load of old s***" They're a very real issue at the moment.

 

It has always been a razor-thin margin industry, and now it's gotten to the point where the margins have turned negative.

Venues, touring trucks & buses are overbooked with years' worth of shows, with rental fees skyrocketing. Afore-mentioned inflation means costs (from transportation, to rigging, freight, gear, crew accommodations, etc) are off the charts. Then there's the shortage of techs, tour bus drives, etc, many of whom retrained and left the industry during 2-years of Covid. Some costs are 3x what they were pre-pandemic.

 

And ticket sales of course down given economic downturn and inflation putting a squeeze on disposable income. And of course few artist want to pass on the increased cost after years of postponements, given how patient fans have been over these past few years.

 

Then there are the supply chain and shortage issues. Acts like Coldplay are having issues procuring things as simple as instruments, monitors, and lighting and sound fixtures, never mind PAs or sound consoles. (And Jack White actually called his tour Supply Chain Issues ) And of course with shortages comes price-gouging, to the point where it no longer makes economic sense to try to put on a show. (More on that here https://www.billboar...e-supply-chain/ - it's behind a paywall but you can plug it into 12ft.io to read the full thing) The Russia / Ukraine situation means shortage of steel for stage construction, China's zero-Covid policy translates into a shortage of chips required for in-ear monitors and wireless mics. And those are just some examples.

 

It started with mid-level acts pulling their tours as they couldn't make it work financially. But now it's hitting A-list acts like Buble and Lorde, among others. Lorde's post (picked by Billboard & others) summarizes it quite well.

 

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Edited November 15, 2022 at 04:00 AM by scielle

[CelineDionFreak]

It’s quite interesting Lorde brings up the fact that touring can be difficult just from the stress of it all. Celine may have been able to come back, but logistically, if it was a nightmare, then it can only add to her statement of “I’m just not there yet”. I’m not one to speculate often, but I would venture to say if she felt stressed about pulling a tour off from the back end, it may have only added to her recovery time from her spasms. Being in the limelight isn’t all it’s cut out to be.

 

Also, I would also say that may be why Vegas residencies are popping up left and right. Yes, the artist has the immense capability to do a show they can’t take on the road, but on the flip side, not taking it on the road may not be such a bad thing. Keep the stage stationary so you don’t accrue such high transportation costs for the artist, the entourage, and the stage setups.

Edited November 15, 2022 at 04:41 AM by CelineDionFreak