New Celine CBS TV Special 2008 - That's Just The Woman In Me - 2-15-2008

January 13, 2008 at 05:28 PM

If people here are unhappy and can't stand the idea of us discussing both the positive AND negative aspects of Celine's career, the "Log Out" button is in the top left corner.
Yes, it is the most healthy choice. On the other hand, it's insane when people post here ONLY to bash her.

Well, Ronny, if it's so insane, what are you waiting to ban me??

If my behaviour is so offensive, then you probably only need to click a button to kick me off the board.

I'm not provoking, but it does get to my nerves that you can't actually have a polite discussion without people jumping on you just because you have a critical approach towards Celine. If my negative posts bother you so much, why don't you read my review of the DVD?

Fortunately, I have been raised to question things and not to blidnly oblige by whatever role I'm expected to play at a given context, and I surely feel glad for that. THe fact that you like or not isn't going to change that.

January 13, 2008 at 05:30 PM

I just want to say "That's a month off." Poor Celine Dion. :pinch:

January 13, 2008 at 05:32 PM

Can we send some document to Sony??

Or Felling Star?

My Mac just #$@ my post... going to windows now.

Edited January 13, 2008 at 05:33 PM by marcospriateli

January 13, 2008 at 05:32 PM

I got a message from our dear Love, and all he said was: Celine was awesome!

That's all I need. I'm happy now.

It's true that when you are there, in the audience..you don't care is the artist is singing live or not, it would ruin the whole thing. I, personally, don't wanna think which performance is lipped and which isn't..what's the point really. Though the singing is lipped, that doesn't mean that she would put any less effort into the performance. In a perfect world, she would sing every single song live and hit those money notes...but this world is far from being a perfect, we gotta take things as they are. She didn't sing live now, but we know she can sing those songs..she has proved that on previous TV shows!

I'm actually happy to see that there's a lot of discussion going on, that's a good thing. :yes:

January 13, 2008 at 05:32 PM

For me, the bottom line is what you're expected to do as singer, and apparently, not everyone expcts the same thing of a singer.
I may agree but what some of us here seem to expect is Céline being absolutely faithful to THEIR expectations of a singer every single damn time she's on TV. She's just human. Just that. She had her part of mimed performances as well as live ones. And do you think IF she already did so much playback in the 90's why would she in the Farthest sense of the word *want* to sing all live all of a sudden now?

Don't you think that with an upcoming tour and so-called "comeback", it would actually be smarter to sing live? When she had all the hype around her like in the 90's, it wasn't that much of problem, I guess. She was everywhere, the press didn't have the time to see if she was lipping or not, because 2 or 3 days later she'd be singing live on a another show.

But the times have changed... If she wants to actually live up to the "comeback" everyone is publicising, well, lipping like this isn't that much of a good strategy.

January 13, 2008 at 05:34 PM

If people here are unhappy and can't stand the idea of us discussing both the positive AND negative aspects of Celine's career, the "Log Out" button is in the top left corner.
Yes, it is the most healthy choice. On the other hand, it's insane when people post here ONLY to bash her.

Well, Ronny, if it's so insane, what are you waiting to ban me??
If my behaviour is so offensive, then you probably only need to click a button to kick me off the board.
I'm not provoking, but it does get to my nerves that you can't actually have a polite discussion without people jumping on you just because you have a critical approach towards Celine. If my negative posts bother you so much, why don't you read my review of the DVD?

Drama queen?! I didn't mention the words "ban" or "offensive" or "provoking" or "bother".

:mellow:

And I didn't mention YOU in my reply to Thomas. I didn't at all. Maybe you thought my description fits you. But I didn't say that.

I think I won't waste my time replying here anymore. I will, only if needed.

January 13, 2008 at 05:36 PM

We don't know if playback is requested by the CBS production though. I think many TV special like this uses a lot playback. "Save her voice" is just a reason made by someone.

January 13, 2008 at 05:39 PM

For me, the bottom line is what you're expected to do as singer, and apparently, not everyone expcts the same thing of a singer.
I may agree but what some of us here seem to expect is Céline being absolutely faithful to THEIR expectations of a singer every single damn time she's on TV. She's just human. Just that. She had her part of mimed performances as well as live ones. And do you think IF she already did so much playback in the 90's why would she in the Farthest sense of the word *want* to sing all live all of a sudden now?

Don't you think that with an upcoming tour and so-called "comeback", it would actually be smarter to sing live? When she had all the hype around her like in the 90's, it wasn't that much of problem, I guess. She was everywhere, the press didn't have the time to see if she was lipping or not, because 2 or 3 days later she'd be singing live on a another show.
But the times have changed... If she wants to actually live up to the "comeback" everyone is publicising, well, lipping like this isn't that much of a good strategy.

You're mistaking some basic facts - nobody called TCH a comback album apart from Sony promotional team. Céline has been calling the album something that she has actually "enjoyed the most" and it feels so, especially if you consider the fact that she seems focused rather on singing on the album, in studio aka doing what she enjoys and does the best than promoting and singing live. She clearly has a point here and if you observe her behaviour towards her recent albums you surely notice what she values more: music, promotion, family or Sony. She can't have it all and she doesn't want to either.

January 13, 2008 at 05:54 PM

Firstly I just want to make a comment to those people who question someone's fanship because people are upset with the amount of lipping she's doing. Who are you to make such an absurd and disrespectful statement about people you don't know (and in some cases do know)? I for one have spent a shitload of money to fly out to see her in Vegas 14 times (and more had she not gotten sick and cancelled), I have 6 tickets for her TC tour, I buy multiple copies of her albums, my brain when to total s*** when I met her cause I was so overwhelmed I was actually meeting her....I could go on. But now I'm not a worthy fan because I'm disappointed that she's lipped performance after performance? I'm a fan of hers in the first place because of her voice, so I don't think its such a stretch to understand why some people would be upset if she isn't singing live. This is her occupation! She is known as a singer and known for her voice, and in the current music environment people are much more aware and critical of people lipping songs. So for Celine, who's detractor's even admit that while they don't like her songs the girl can definitely sing, what's there to say now? I don't like her songs but she can sure lip well?

And regarding the rants of some people here, yes many of her specials and appearances have been lipped. Yes many of them have, but why should we act like its ok for her to keep doing that? I think for the most part, the people who are upset about her lipping (me included) are also well aware that it has to be done......but to a certain extent. If Rene wants her to lip the TC songs because they should sound like the album.....fine. But why, for example, RDMH which she has been singing live for a year? Why sing TP and Something live, but not other songs?

We can all make our own assumptions as to why she lipped, and maybe there really is some good excuse, but I don't think that people should be lampooned for being upset over not hearing her sing live. Especially since its been more common then not in recent TV apperances. And the excuse of her conserving her voice for the tour is ridiculous. If that were true then she'd have to lip every show on the tour so she could save it for the next night.

January 13, 2008 at 06:00 PM

You're mistaking some basic facts - nobody called TCH a comback album apart from Sony promotional team. Céline has been calling the album something that she has actually "enjoyed the most" and it feels so, especially if you consider the fact that she seems focused rather on singing on the album, in studio aka doing what she enjoys and does the best than promoting and singing live. She clearly has a point here and if you observe her behaviour towards her recent albums you surely notice what she values more: music, promotion, family or Sony. She can't have it all and she doesn't want to either.

Well then, let her and her record label reach an agreement about what Taking Chances is supposed to mean.

Anyway, I keep my statement. If you're a singer, you have to sing. Re-arrange your schedule, change label, whatever, but just make sure that when you appear even if it's on the latest talk show, you actually SING. that's what SINGERS do! SING!

And, by the way, I keep saying that it isn't smart to lip this much at this stage. One can clearly see how much this annoys people and how much this leads to "she's gonna lip the whole concerts during the tour, therefor, I'm not buying a tick" toughts.

Edited January 13, 2008 at 06:02 PM by TheOne

January 13, 2008 at 06:03 PM

You're mistaking some basic facts - nobody called TCH a comback album apart from Sony promotional team. Céline has been calling the album something that she has actually "enjoyed the most" and it feels so, especially if you consider the fact that she seems focused rather on singing on the album, in studio aka doing what she enjoys and does the best than promoting and singing live. She clearly has a point here and if you observe her behaviour towards her recent albums you surely notice what she values more: music, promotion, family or Sony. She can't have it all and she doesn't want to either.

Well then, let her and her record label reach an agreement about what Taking Chances is supposed to mean.
Anyway, I keep my statement. If you're a singer, you have to sing. Re-arrange your schedule, change label, whatever, but just make sure that when you appear even if it's on the latest talk show, you actually SING. that's what SINGERS do! SING!

Wow "The One" suddenly active now :clap:

Anyway you remind me of my father who always there to complain me but never there to support me.

January 13, 2008 at 06:05 PM

In my opinion, we're in front of a lazy attitude of someone who doesn't care anymore for art as she used to in the past, but who just isn't willing (for any reason) to retire and take a quiet life like she did back in 1999.

after watching the vegas dvd bonus features, I really don't think it's her choice anymore. More like rene's not willing to let her retire.

we can never know. But it's sad to think about :xmas_sad:

January 13, 2008 at 06:05 PM

Ok everyone. I just want to say a few things. There have been alot of comments on here regarding celine singing live and lipping. I even posted my feelings last night. To those who did see the show you would agree with me that regardless of celine lipping most of the show we still cheered and applauded like crazy because its...CELINE! She can lip and we will still love her and be in awe of her regardless. I knew she was lipping after taking chances started, and even though I had serious issues with lipping again for the show, I still LOVED every second of the show. I love seeing celine talk with everyone, make jokes, perform, everything. The show will amazing on tv, celine looked amazing. I just have the issue with trying to pass off a lipped performance as a live performance. I mean I can understand alot of the time why she might want to do it. I give her and the company the benefit of the doubt pretty much all the time...but last night as much as I loved it, I kept thinking boy when people watch this here in the US, people are gonna notice taking chances, alone, and eyes on me are lipped. They have the cd and they will know its playback...and its not like this is the first time shes lipped the cd version on a show or special so it will be completly obvious. In that regard I say atleast lip a prerecorded live version. Not a cd version that everyone will know its lipped. Again I have to stress that I personally just love being in the same room as celine and she could just stand there and mine everything and I would still be in awe. And yes I feel bad for the band members who have to pretend to play their instruments during the lipped portions especially when they use the cd version. The other thing that bothers me is that she lipped the medley, river deep, the power of love, and my heart will go on from the live dvd versions. A dvd that so many people just bought and have seen and heard over and over. Its very confusing to me as to why she would use those performances from the dvd in this cbs special and pass it over as live? That part does infact irritate me. If she is indeed going to lip many songs from now on...I highly hope they will use different prerecorded live tracks instead of DVD versions and CD versions, but using those is absolutely wrong. In any case if they release this new version of EOM to radio and as a single..Celine WILL have another number one hit. I can gaurantee you that. Lets see if they actually release it though. For those who havent seen the show, regardless of lipping, its an amazing show so you wont be disappointed. Celine is the absolute best and we all know it. We love her and always will.

January 13, 2008 at 06:15 PM

oh my god what's ALL those posts

please someone can call celine or rené and aske them about the raison of singing payback???????

January 13, 2008 at 06:17 PM

Well said, Spagetti!!

January 13, 2008 at 06:18 PM

I'm most definitely hugely dissapointed with the description of the CBS special thus far, but I seriously also do not think Celine's downfall is imminent as some of you. First off I've grown to appreciate her image as a person rather than just a singer and based on the vegas dvd with the interviews and such it becomes painfully clear how controlled her life is by others. So much money riding on so many contracts and arrangements that she may not even have the final say on. We can all only assume. but anyway...

there's something about a "comeback". Celine's popularity may have declined a lot, and she had some career missteps in the past few years, but nowhere near what happened to Mariah: a hugeflop movie that went down in history as one of the worst movies of all time, two flop albums back to back, being paid millions to LEAVE a record label, degradation of public image to the core.

I'm sure you could say Celine's image suffered as well but in a different way that was still respectable.

Maybe she needs to truly fall even worse before she can make an ultimate comeback.

But now that she has Rene charles, maybe she really doesn't care anymore. Maybe she does have the ultimate say...or maybe her husband Rene does.

when you think about it, the woman has been working almost nonstop since 1981 right?

January 13, 2008 at 06:23 PM

Since everyone is giving lengthy posts on they're opinions about live or lipping, I've have a statement of my own....

RELAX

The end. http://www.smileysets.us/temp/PRINCESS/sleep.gif

January 13, 2008 at 06:24 PM

I think the majority of you guys need to stop being so dramatic and the ones who got the oppertunity to go to the taping of this special last need especially need to chill out because you got to go see celine for FREE... it's not like you paid to hear her live in concert...you won the chance to see her tape a TELEVISION SPECIAL! And for those who are comparing her to Britney Spears.... seriously I pray none of her people read this topic, because I already think that they think a lot of her fans are insane, but once they read some of these posts they are really going to think a lot of her fans are out of their minds. And how quickly so many of you are to turn on Celine! Not for nothing, she did sing 3 songs live last night... so you got to hear first hand that she very well can still sing... she really does have nothing to prove, and I am sure there was a reason behind her lip synching last night. So seriously calm down, enjoy Celine for what she is: the greatest singer in the world (who lip sychs sometimes, like EVERY OTHER singer in show business), and above that... the greatest entertainer in the world, because even when she is lip synching, she still gives 100% of herself to entertain her fans and put on the best possible show!

Melissa

January 13, 2008 at 06:24 PM

Here's a link to the PhotoBucket album I created for the shots we were able to snap during the taping...

http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/robe...line%20in%20LA/

Hope you enjoy seeing her... the photos were taken on a cell phone, so they're not the best quality.

Wishing she sang live last night,

Robert

January 13, 2008 at 06:25 PM

Tal, what a fantastic post! I completely agree!

January 13, 2008 at 06:25 PM

I think i lost my interest to see her live performance, and if she do that lipsyng thing in her tour.... i'm done with her.... so done with her...

January 13, 2008 at 06:26 PM

wow..thanks for the pictures!!

January 13, 2008 at 06:28 PM

I was disappointed that she wasn't actually singing last night too but I still enjoyed the entire show because she is amazing to watch and we all know she can sing those songs live. I think the legistics of taping a show like that, fast, for tv is really tough live so although I was disappointed, I assumed there was a good reason. It doesn't make me think anyless of her and I was still thankful for the FREE chance to see her since Vegas was so expensive last month and I had to buy my tickets for next year already. I have been to tv tapings before and had to pay for the ticket so this was awesome and my friend and I had an awesome time watching her perform. Regardless of the singing part of it, she was performing amazingly as always and she looked amazing. The Vegas parts of the show were fun too and are most likely going to be a staple in all of her performances now, don't you think? I was glad to see those songs that way again since that last night was so sad and I was sad to think that show was gone forever but it appears like she will take little bits of it with her on tour? I hope so. She performed good songs from the new cd... the ones I expected and to me, it was a great night. I enjoyed the entire experience. It was especially fun meeting a fan that I have known for years and never met until last night. I didn't know she was coming so it was a GREAT suprise... and all the ladies using the men's room downstairs was hilarious too! I laughed, cried and thanked God for yet another chance to watch Celine perform in person again. We are very blessed fans!

January 13, 2008 at 06:32 PM

I really can't believe majority of you can
Whatever... these rude posts are just so baffling and seriously so ridiculous. I can't even believe a celine dion fan place would begin to compare her to britney spears too of all people.. WOW. I can't even say anything more..

im done.

Singing is her JOB! It's a fact.
Celine has an obligation to sing live! It's a fact!
Celine is a professional singer, not a show hoster. It's a fact!

But that doesn't mean she can't lip her songs!

If she is sick, ok she can lip her songs.
If the show requires, ok she can lip her songs.
If the some technological problems occur, ok she can lip her songs.

However, she HAS BEEN LIPPING her songs lately too often. So what if she lips half of her concert in your country and you just happen to be in that very crowd? What do you say about that? You think it's impossible? Well, she has been doing so much fake singing recently, which I think is something that is never gonna happen, but now it did is happening.

Is it so rude? Is it so offensive to ask her to sing? Is it so demanding to ask her to do her job?

She can do the talk, it's fine, and very funny as well. But lets not lose the point, she's a SINGER, not a talk show hoster!

Singers sing. It's their job.
Talk show hosts talk. It's their job.

Not everyone is like you who can be simply satisfied just to see her. The majority of people come to see her sing live, performe live. And now you want to blame those people for demanding a live performance? You talk like she's a show host and singing is her b-side carrer, and we should feel blessed if she can just once in a very while sing one or two songs live.

It's not a matter about proving herself or not, it a matter of her attitude to her carrer.
Is it positive that she thinks she has achieved so much before so she could just lip all the way? And it anyone tries to question her they could just all go to hell because they did not do the research about the awards she got in the past or not buying her early albums.

I'm getting very very disappointed about Celine recently, about her tv shows.
So I'm not a Celine fan? I'm not qualified enough to be her fan because I can't accept her lipping her song? Is being a Celine fan means always say good about her, even you think she is doing something you think is wrong? Is being a Celine fan means you have to feel grateful just to see her and never expect anything else, including hearing her sings live?

Then, I don't know if I'm a Celine fan or not.

ps: sorry for my poor english

exactly a hundred percent correct. :yes:

January 13, 2008 at 06:35 PM

And, by the way, I keep saying that it isn't smart to lip this much at this stage. One can clearly see how much this annoys people and how much this leads to "she's gonna lip the whole concerts during the tour, therefor, I'm not buying a tick" toughts.

I couldn't agree more. When all the other team members around me were chatting before the show started, they all wanted to know if we had bought tickets for the So-Cal shows yet, which we hadn't purchased yet. After a lipp-syncing extravaganza, I'm not sure if I want to pay so much money to see her lip syncing to pre-recorded 'live' versions of the SAME OLD STUFF. I believe that Taking Chances is an awesome album with lots of great tracks, and have been anticipating the live versions of those tracks since the first time I listened to the album. Now I am scared to think the world will never hear those versions.

There's got to be some media coverage for the tour while it's abroad... I'm waiting for some media stories and fellow fan reviews. ugh!!! lol

January 13, 2008 at 06:37 PM

Since everyone is giving lengthy posts on they're opinions about live or lipping, I've have a statement of my own....
RELAX
The end. http://www.smileysets.us/temp/PRINCESS/sleep.gif

You're really acting childish. Those lengtly posts are from people voicing their opinions. If you can't handle others opinions about the CBS Special, than ignore this thread.

January 13, 2008 at 06:49 PM

thank you for the pics

January 13, 2008 at 06:50 PM

céline will start her world tour in a month..she has just finished a 5year hard show..she recorded two wonderful albums during the year has just gone by..she also promoted her two albums travelling almost all over the world..what else should we expect from her??!!!I think that she's working very very hard to please her fans!moreover I would prefer to watch her in the best physical and physicological conditions,ready and enthusiastic for the tour,rather than watch a special on tv in which she wastes her vocal cords singing live..the tour will be very long and demanding..her performances on the tour are important..the rest..well,I don't care!

January 13, 2008 at 06:50 PM

You're mistaking some basic facts - nobody called TCH a comback album apart from Sony promotional team. Céline has been calling the album something that she has actually "enjoyed the most" and it feels so, especially if you consider the fact that she seems focused rather on singing on the album, in studio aka doing what she enjoys and does the best than promoting and singing live. She clearly has a point here and if you observe her behaviour towards her recent albums you surely notice what she values more: music, promotion, family or Sony. She can't have it all and she doesn't want to either.

Didn't you Sebabboa call this her comeback vintage album? :xmas_ph34r:

I find it somewhat amazing when you explain something, coz always the next thing, the next thing, the next thing is gonna be the top, that's what she's waiting for. For years it was a new French album, then when that came: the coming French album, then Taking Chances, then the ending of A New Day, then this then that, and now the world tour...

We both now the prognosis aint looking so swell. I admire your positive spirit however - it seems to enflame each time the rest of us are worried and completely go out when we're happy about something and then turn into a negative one.

Like to stand out, do we?

Now, it's a sad sad situation.

Can't see why she desperatly clings to this charade/masquerade...

I guess it's just a vain try to please her fans, sad when you think about it really. Honestly I don't know who should feel most ashamed - her or we. :confused:

/fred

January 13, 2008 at 06:52 PM

i'm sorry if whitney can come back and take the stage at the AMA's or wherever it was, with her handkerchief and croak, then i'm sorry, celine can sing LIVE.

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