New Celine CBS TV Special 2008 - That's Just The Woman In Me - 2-15-2008

[CelinesDIVO5]

ur wrong her last tv special i mean andhc was all live so

 

No, it wasn't. about 75% was live prerecording. She prerecorded the live vocals in studio for IA, ANDHC, Spanish Existe Encore, Ten Days, Goodbye.

 

 

That definitely wasn't the CBS special...she didn't sing Aun Existe Amor or Ten Days on the CBS ANDHC special

[Céline's Blues]

ur wrong her last tv special i mean andhc was all live so

 

No, it wasn't. about 75% was live prerecording. She prerecorded the live vocals in studio for IA, ANDHC, Spanish Existe Encore, Ten Days, Goodbye.

 

 

That definitely wasn't the CBS special...she didn't sing Aun Existe Amor or Ten Days on the CBS ANDHC special

It was, it was.

 

The extended version of the ANDHC special with non-dubbed Goodbye performance was broadcasted in Germany in 2002. And there was a bootleg with all the songs I mentioned. She sang them all originally on the day of the recording.

 

The same one for the ATW special - she sang Then You Look At Me and I Want You To give Me Your Money there, too. But they were not broadcasted.

 

It's too evident they will cut 50% of the mentioned songs here, too!

Edited January 13, 2008 at 04:07 PM by Céline's Blues

[Ronny83]

I'm highly surprised by how many 30-40 posts members are here ONLY to bash Céline. Welcome to our forum, folks!

 

Personally, I don't care about her singing live or not for a TV special just for the sake of promotion.

 

And I truly think that whatever she does she will be "killed" by some too critic fans.

No promotion. "OMG, she doesn't do promotion. The album will flop!"

No lipsynch. "OMG, she didn't hit all the note correctly. The album will flop!"

No right dress. "OMG, she looks awful with that outfit. The album will flop!"

No right hairdo. "OMG, what happened to Céline's hair? The album will flop!".

 

GIVE HER A BREAK!

 

I'm more than confident that during her tour she will sing live. That's the right place to perform live. Not on a TV special. And even if it won't be completely live it won't be any news: she has always done that since '90s. Like she has always lipped for some TV special since '90s.

[Fran]

ur wrong her last tv special i mean andhc was all live so

 

No, it wasn't. about 75% was live prerecording. She prerecorded the live vocals in studio for IA, ANDHC, Spanish Existe Encore, Ten Days, Goodbye.

 

 

That definitely wasn't the CBS special...she didn't sing Aun Existe Amor or Ten Days on the CBS ANDHC special

Here you are a video of the special CBS, playback with Aun existe amor and Goodbyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9kdVUnpqcQ

[PrincesseJen]

All the lipping she's been doing lately??!! How soon we forget.

 

1. American Music Awards- Live

 

2. The Today Show- Live

 

3. Ellen- Live

 

4. The Early Show- Live

 

5. The View- Live

 

6. Dancing With The Stars- Live

 

7. Oprah- Live

 

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

okay..but here in the states it was clearly not dubbed...it was very much live...even live prerecords are rather polished and perfect....celine's voice was definitely live when broadcasted here in the states

 

edit: You can tell that these 2 performances were dubbed..and she actually did sing them live at the recording

Edited January 13, 2008 at 04:43 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Koocachoo25]

I can't believe you fans has turned on her. MHWGO is worst song. Give me a break.

 

 

the worst to performer, I wouldn't mind if she did the song a couple of times during a year, but 365 times, give me a break…

 

Where is That’s the way it is?

 

or only one road ?

 

even the first US hit Where does my heart beat now...

i was surprised she did not do that's the way it is, where does my heart beat now, and think twice on A New Day...

those are amazing songs, especially think twice...

[TheOne]

Excuses, excuses and more excuses...

 

I have never complained about a missing note in any of her 90's performance. In my opinion, it is more excusable that she misses one note (she's a human being therefor, she's entitled to fail sometimes) than that she doesn't actually sing any note live.

 

EDIT: Besides, I think that a critical approach to what she does is much more healthy than an attitude of constant and blind praise or forgiveness.

 

About people asking to give her a break, I'm not the one who has to give her a break. From the moment she, or any other artist steps into the spotlight, she has to take responsability for what she does. Good or bad!! She chose to be in that place, so, from that moment on, she's responsible for what she does and for what she delivers people. That's professionalism.

Therefor, if anyone has to give her a break it is herself. If she is tired, well then, take a rest! As simple as that! I don't think anyone would blame her for that as everyone know she's just out of a 5 year daily and tiring enagagement. If she decides she doesn't need to rest, well then, I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

Edited January 13, 2008 at 04:54 PM by TheOne

[Ronny83]

I can't believe you fans has turned on her. MHWGO is worst song. Give me a break.

 

 

the worst to performer, I wouldn't mind if she did the song a couple of times during a year, but 365 times, give me a break…

 

Where is That’s the way it is?

 

or only one road ?

 

even the first US hit Where does my heart beat now...

i was surprised she did not do that's the way it is, where does my heart beat now, and think twice on A New Day...

those are amazing songs, especially think twice...

Yes, she should've performed You And I and In Some Small Way. And where's Beautiful Boy? Where? :cry:

[Céline's Blues]

Yes, she should've performed You And I and In Some Small Way. And where's Beautiful Boy? Where?

And where's I Knju Aj Loft Ju? She should sing it live with Janis Joplin!

 

I have never complained about a missing note in any of her 90's performance. In my opinion, it is more excusable that she misses one note (she's a human being therefor, she's entitled to fail sometimes) than that she doesn't actually sing any note live.

 

It's about a simple math. she doesn't do more playback now than she did. Point blanc.

[ajguerras]

I am sorry she`s still trying to sell the old Celine while the album pretends to show a new one...

Where were : that's the way it is, Surprise Surprise, This Time, Fade Away, My Love, Shadow of Love...

 

Wasn`t It the Taking chances Special? Even If they were Lip synched at least she would be showing THE NEW ALBUM SONGS !!!! ... And the whole talk should have been about this new album, not about her life or other stupid things we have heard 200 times before...

 

That is my whole point.... taking chances Special ??? ... Not so much

[TheOne]

It's about a simple math. she doesn't do more playback now than she did. Point blanc.

 

 

Yes, Seb, she does... Se has never lipped as much in a show as she did on A New Day... and if you apply "simple logic", performing 5 nights a week in the same place isn't less tiring than performing 3 nights a week with a travel in between and with a week of rest every month...

[Shaun]

First of all thank you for the updates throughout the night. The show sounds very interesting, diverse and for me the thing I am looking forward to is the new version of "Eyes On Me", a clear move to guage reaction before hopefully releasing it as a US single. If it gets a bad reaction expect "Alone" to be sent to radio. Still cant wait to see the special in its entirety as CBS always give us good Celine specials.

 

HOWEVER....

 

It would appear that Celine NEEDS an an outcry similar to the one Ashlee Simpson suffered. It seems that would be the only thing that would make her realize that PEOPLE KNOW SHE IS LIPPING! Do Celine, Rene and all her band members think that no-one honestly notices? I assume "The Power Of Love" performance was the one we're used to hearing for 13 years now? When does it stop? If Celine isn't interested, just stop. This is ruining your legacy. Her whole career she and Rene have tried to build a legacy for her (biggest selling female artist, best voice, countless awards, associated with the biggest movies etc) and if they are not very very careful her legacy will soon become Celine; the "singer" who lips all her songs.

 

Now I, along with thousands of other people across the world, have paid a lot of money to see Celine on tour this year. Heck some of us are even travelling to other countries to see her and let it be known right now (if Celine's management and Sony really do read these boards) lipping on tour is NOT acceptable for the prices we are paying to see Celine. Whoever has ultimate control over what she sings (and lips) read this now: CELINE'S ENTIRE SHOW ON TOUR MUST BE LIVE! If she cant sing it live, cut it from the set list, simple as that!

[Céline's Blues]

I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

But what standards???????????? We're not speaking about Whitney here. Céline's standard was: 50% playback, 50% live. Please go back to PrincesseJen's post and then compare it with the status quo. She hasn't changed all of a sudden and all the unrest about it is a little out of place, especially that this was to be expected all along.

[Shamrock_1982]

it was basically ''an audience with celine dion - u.s edition'' and they swapped ''tt'' for ''tjtwim''

and she had different guests....lol

[Céline's Blues]

It's about a simple math. she doesn't do more playback now than she did. Point blanc.

 

 

Yes, Seb, she does... Se has never lipped as much in a show as she did on A New Day... and if you apply "simple logic", performing 5 nights a week in the same place isn't less tiring than performing 3 nights a week with a travel in between and with a week of rest every month...

Wait, we were speaking about TV appearances. It's clear that she wouldn'T make the 5 years through Vegas without lipping and it's fine by me. Let's compare TV appearances to TV appearances and tours to tours.

 

Did she lip her NYC concert in 2004? Did she lip her mini appearances in 2002? No, she didn't. Let's wait for the upcoming tour to compare. A New Day is not a basis for comparisons since it wasn't a regular concert.

[TheOne]

I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

But what standards???????????? We're not speaking about Whitney here. Céline's standard was: 50% playback, 50% live. Please go back to PrincesseJen's post and then compare it with the status quo. She hasn't changed all of a sudden and all the unrest about it is a little out of place, especially that this was to be expected all along.

 

 

well then, make up your maths and you'll see how over 50% of AND is lipped...

[Ronny83]

About people asking to give her a break, I'm not the one who has to give her a break. From the moment she, or any other artist steps into the spotlight, she has to take responsability for what she does. Good or bad!! She chose to be in that place, so, from that moment on, she's responsible for what she does and for what she delivers people. That's professionalism.

Therefor, if anyone has to give her a break it is herself. If she is tired, well then, take a rest! As simple as that! I don't think anyone would blame her for that as everyone know she's just out of a 5 year daily and tiring enagagement. If she decides she doesn't need to rest, well then, I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

Professionalism means also to respect the contract with the label even if your priority is not music, singing or performing anymore. BTW, I don't mean to "protect" her: I don't really care if she sing playback or live. She can do whatever she wants, and I have my own opinion about job and about priorities in life. Surely not anyone would agree. And thank God it is like that.

 

I just want to say that I'm glad she did release not one but two albums last year, that she managed to appear and perform on so many TV shows, that she still has the strenght to promote her album in Europe and in the USA, and finally that she wants to tour the world, giving us a bit of her infinity talent, even if it's just for one hour and a half.

 

That's my point. My personal point of view.

[deelicious07]

I really can't believe majority of you can even sit there and call yourself a fan with how negatively your talking about this show. I was there tonight as well and let me tell you.. i could careless if she lip sang or sang live. All i cared about was that celine was performing her #ss off PERIOD. You act as if she is some new singer trying to prove a point. SHe has been doing this since she was 12 years old... she has NOTHING to prove anymore. It is obvious she can sing. We've watched her record the songs, we've watched her do rehersals... what more do you need from this woman? Her job is to entertain.. and if you ask me..she OVER DELIVERS in entertainment every single time she performs. Towards the end of the tonight.. after being on stage for 3 hours.. she was STILL making sure the AUDIENCE was doing well.. cracking jokes left and right... working her #ss off to make it a great show. So she lipped majority of the songs. As if she's never sang those songs live in her entire life? COME ON!...

 

If everyone is entitled to complain about tonight.. then i am entitled to complain about you all complaining. I actually feel horrible to think that her people may read these posts. It just seriously baffles my mind. She is a human being. She is an entertainer. If she came on stage and just sat there and didnt talk to anyone and liped the songs and walked off stage.. then ok.. i get it. She was hilarious tonight and just seeing her in person is enough for me.

 

Whatever... these rude posts are just so baffling and seriously so ridiculous. I can't even believe a celine dion fan place would begin to compare her to britney spears too of all people.. WOW. I can't even say anything more..

 

im done.

 

 

THANK YOU HAILS 55!!!!! You are what I call a true Celine fan. How dare people on here talk negatively about Celine? Obviously they have not attended other concerts and television specials to see what goes on there with other highly acclaimed performers (Whitney, Mariah, Madonna...you name it). And if people here keeps running their mouth in a negative way then yes it will end up on other boards and people will start talking and thinking negatively about Celine. What I have been reading here on this board is what I consider UNACCEPTABLE from Celine fans. Why must she be treated any differently than other performers? She's given so much to her fans and NO ONE could ever perform as much or as well as Celine does. I cannot wait to see when the SPECIAL airs on TV. Thanks Hails55.

[Céline's Blues]

I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

But what standards???????????? We're not speaking about Whitney here. Céline's standard was: 50% playback, 50% live. Please go back to PrincesseJen's post and then compare it with the status quo. She hasn't changed all of a sudden and all the unrest about it is a little out of place, especially that this was to be expected all along.

 

 

well then, make up your maths and you'll see how over 50% of AND is lipped...

 

It's not a regular concert. Let's start comparisons for regular tour that is soon to begin. Then you can complain. Of course you have every right to do so but in my opinion it's not a fair one.

[Céline's Blues]

I just want to say that I'm glad she did release not one but two albums last year, that she managed to appear and perform on so many TV shows, that she still has the strenght to promote her album in Europe and in the USA, and finally that she wants to tour the world, giving us a bit of her infinity talent, even if it's just for one hour and a half.

Some ppl just can't appreciate anything, especially Céline's fans are hugely spoiled by the Internet and by all the means they have to depict everything Céline does. Sure, she mimes but that won't ever take anything away from her spirit and her will to connect with her fans. She will do it during the upcoming tour and everyone will be fan again. All of a sudden.

[TheOne]

Professionalism means also to respect the contract with the label even if your priority is not music, singing or performing anymore.

 

Oh for God's sake... She lives in the same house as her husband and they sleep in the same bed! Don't they talk... Can't she go like "hey baby, I'm tired, I know I have to come back but maybe we should wait for me to recover..."

 

All the pressure she's placing on herself these days is because she wants to come back. Like it or not, she doesn't have all the hype around her she had back in the 90's! She's respected, she built her name and if people know she's avaliable for appearances and stuff, they'll obviously hire her, but if they know she's not avaliable because she's actually taking the time off that she needs, the same people will respect her. Fortunately she earned the irght to say no! Like she says, she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone, so why not use that sentence as a justification to rest, than as a justification to lip?

[Ronny83]

I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

But what standards???????????? We're not speaking about Whitney here. Céline's standard was: 50% playback, 50% live. Please go back to PrincesseJen's post and then compare it with the status quo. She hasn't changed all of a sudden and all the unrest about it is a little out of place, especially that this was to be expected all along.

 

 

well then, make up your maths and you'll see how over 50% of AND is lipped...

Go, The One, go! Your 23rd post here in 6 months. :clap:

 

Where were you at when she performed live in her american leg of the Taking Chances promo tour? I don't remember reading anything from you at that time.

[TheOne]

I just want to say that I'm glad she did release not one but two albums last year, that she managed to appear and perform on so many TV shows, that she still has the strenght to promote her album in Europe and in the USA, and finally that she wants to tour the world, giving us a bit of her infinity talent, even if it's just for one hour and a half.

Some ppl just can't appreciate anything, especially Céline's fans are hugely spoiled by the Internet and by all the means they have to depict everything Céline does. Sure, she mimes but that won't ever take anything away from her spirit and her will to connect with her fans. She will do it during the upcoming tour and everyone will be fan again. All of a sudden.

 

Well, we'll see then.

[Thomas]

THANK YOU HAILS 55!!!!! You are what I call a true Celine fan. How dare people on here talk negatively about Celine? Obviously they have not attended other concerts and television specials to see what goes on there with other highly acclaimed performers (Whitney, Mariah, Madonna...you name it). And if people here keeps running their mouth in a negative way then yes it will end up on other boards and people will start talking and thinking negatively about Celine. What I have been reading here on this board is what I consider UNACCEPTABLE from Celine fans. Why must she be treated any differently than other performers? She's given so much to her fans and NO ONE could ever perform as much or as well as Celine does. I cannot wait to see when the SPECIAL airs on TV. Thanks Hails55.

Look, it's a discussion forum. As long as people post within the rules they can say whatever they want. A measure of a true fan is NOT how much they idolise someone and put them on a pedestal so no one has the right to decide who is or who isn't a fan based on the fact they don't like something about her performance or they don't like her dress or whatever. That's just an opinion and people are entitled to voice it. How dare we say negative things about Celine? How dare anyone here try to tell us what we can and can't say.

 

If people here are unhappy and can't stand the idea of us discussing both the positive AND negative aspects of Celine's career, the "Log Out" button is in the top left corner.

Edited January 13, 2008 at 05:17 PM by Thomas

[Céline's Blues]

Oh for God's sake... She lives in the same house as her husband and they sleep in the same bed! Don't they talk... Can't she go like "hey baby, I'm tired, I know I have to come back but maybe we should wait for me to recover..."

 

All the pressure she's placing on herself these days is because she wants to come back. Like it or not, she doesn't have all the hype around her she had back in the 90's! She's respected, she built her name and if people know she's avaliable for appearances and stuff, they'll obviously hire her, but if they know she's not avaliable because she's actually taking the time off that she needs, the same people will respect her. Fortunately she earned the irght to say no! Like she says, she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone, so why not use that sentence as a justification to rest, than as a justification to lip?

With Céline you have to choose what to believe and decide what you think she is doing in your opinion. So in my opinion she's just letting it all pass by conciously. She doesn't want to be number one, but she is still promoting and does as she is said, maybe that's an mistake on her part and maybe she just wants to fullfil her contract and nothing more. Like you said she earned the right to lip too, just let's say even to reach her goals.

[TheOne]

I expect nothing less that the standards she built to herself, from her.

But what standards???????????? We're not speaking about Whitney here. Céline's standard was: 50% playback, 50% live. Please go back to PrincesseJen's post and then compare it with the status quo. She hasn't changed all of a sudden and all the unrest about it is a little out of place, especially that this was to be expected all along.

 

 

well then, make up your maths and you'll see how over 50% of AND is lipped...

Go, The One, go! Your 23rd post here in 6 months. :clap:

 

Where were you at when she performed live in her american leg of the Taking Chances promo tour? I don't remember reading anything from you at that time.

 

Watching her performances and choosing not to comment as they were good, but not brilliant. I mean, if you don't have anything else to add, why should you use arguments like that... I mean...

[TheOne]

Oh for God's sake... She lives in the same house as her husband and they sleep in the same bed! Don't they talk... Can't she go like "hey baby, I'm tired, I know I have to come back but maybe we should wait for me to recover..."

 

All the pressure she's placing on herself these days is because she wants to come back. Like it or not, she doesn't have all the hype around her she had back in the 90's! She's respected, she built her name and if people know she's avaliable for appearances and stuff, they'll obviously hire her, but if they know she's not avaliable because she's actually taking the time off that she needs, the same people will respect her. Fortunately she earned the irght to say no! Like she says, she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone, so why not use that sentence as a justification to rest, than as a justification to lip?

With Céline you have to choose what to believe and decide what you think she is doing in your opinion. So in my opinion she's just letting it all pass by conciously. She doesn't want to be number one, but she is still promoting and does as she is said, maybe that's an mistake on her part and maybe she just wants to fullfil her contract and nothing more. Like you said she earned the right to lip too, just let's say even to reach her goals.

 

Lipping is a whole different matter, Seb. If she's a singer, she's expected to sing. That basically sums it up. I don't think that as long as someone wants to be regarded as a singer (or at least presents him/herself publically like intending so), that person earns the right to pretend he/she is singing, when (s)he is just moving is lips to sound of his recorded voice.

That's not singing.

For me, the bottom line is what you're expected to do as singer, and apparently, not everyone expcts the same thing of a singer.

[Ronny83]

If people here are unhappy and can't stand the idea of us discussing both the positive AND negative aspects of Celine's career, the "Log Out" button is in the top left corner.

Yes, it is the most healthy choice. On the other hand, it's insane when people post here ONLY to bash her.

[Céline's Blues]

For me, the bottom line is what you're expected to do as singer, and apparently, not everyone expcts the same thing of a singer.

I may agree but what some of us here seem to expect is Céline being absolutely faithful to THEIR expectations of a singer every single damn time she's on TV. She's just human. Just that. She had her part of mimed performances as well as live ones. And do you think IF she already did so much playback in the 90's why would she in the Farthest sense of the word *want* to sing all live all of a sudden now?

Edited January 13, 2008 at 05:29 PM by Céline's Blues