"Taking Chances" ALBUM on the charts

[LuisMa]

Also, piracy is a problem that has to do with the way companies reduce the market where they sell their downloads. For example, I live in Costa Rica but I can download with iTunes because I have a US postal address and that's where my billing address is. However, I love British music but I cannot download from the UK iTunes, so what do I have to do? I will not buy all the albums because that would be too expensive, so I have to get my music somewhere else. And that may apply to a lot of people. Then, if you have sharing programs like LimeWire or Ares, then getting all you want is extremely easy, and that happens all around the world. So, even though I expected Celine to sell a little more, now I have to be realistic and think that 500000 in one week is just fantastic!

[Ted]

Celine is down to #6 on Amazon in USA. She was #4 this morning. Alica is #4.

[celine_026]

why u guys r aruging about the sell numbers???....... stop it ok...

for one thing Celine will sell more next year for sure!

 

 

sell 3 millions copies would be a huge hit today, sony hope sell 2/4 millions

nope they hope for 4-6 millions~

 

if you followed Miracle and A new day live in las vegas...

 

and their opening weeks...

 

you can see thatm as for miracle, with a week openning of some 135...

taking chances with 200... leaves us with an expectation of 2 million cds.

 

Write that...

[celine_026]

Yeah, these days you just can't sell many as many albums as in the 80s or 90s with all these free downloads and pirated CDs...

 

And don't forget: Céline sells very well in Asia BUT the big percentage of these albums she sells in Asia are pirates... There are so many pirated albums in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Philippines etc. etc. etc.... That's why it decreases a LOT the real sales of the original releases... sad but true...

The same goes for Poland. Tunisia, Egypt and Russia/former USSR countries...

Even if you don't have the internet you can go to the nearest market place in your city there and buy the pirated album for very little money...

 

 

And an another thing:

 

I would love if you stop calling Alicia Keys a "b*tch" and her album "a piece of crap"!!!!

She's a really tallented person, I really like her new album!!!

 

And even if you don't like her, her music or just her recent album - just show ome respect and control your tongue, ok?? Otherwise you show a bad attitude of yourself.

 

I'm sure Céline would do so too.

 

Thank you!

 

I don't know about the others, buit anything that gets in the way of Celine Dion

is HELL for me.

 

I love John Mayer and his music, but for me he has lost many points,

as he is in Alicia's ALBUM

 

I don't like Alicia The same for Josh Groban

[beelee]

I don't know about the others, buit anything that gets in the way of Celine Dion

is HELL for me.

 

I love John Mayer and his music, but for me he has lost many points,

as he is in Alicia's ALBUM

 

I don't like Alicia The same for Josh Groban

Oh my.

[LuisMa]

I don't listen to Josh Groban's music because I don't like his style, but still I don't have anything bad to say about him. I will not buy Alicia's new album because I don't like "No One" and the follow-up single a lot. But she has amazing songs like "A Woman's Worth," "Diary" and "Gangsta Lovin'" with Eve. And just because she debuted at number 1 and Celine at 3 is no reason for me to trash her. I have lots of artists whom I hate their music, but for respect to them and the people who like their music, I don't say anything bad about them.

[LuisMa]

I asked Billboard columnist Fred Bronson the following question:

 

Hi Fred, I just want to know if the European Album Chart is based on sales or chart performance in all the European countries, as I see Celine Dion debut at number 1, and I think Leona Lewis sold even more copies. Thanks a lot and take care!!

 

Fred replied:

 

Luis, Thanks for your e-mail. By coincidence, someone else asked this a few days ago, and their letter and my reply can be found in this week's Chart Beat Chat. Unfortunately, because of Thanksgiving, the column has not been posted yet even though I wrote it as usual. I'm hoping it will go up soon. Best, Fred

 

So very soon we will get an official answer!!

[becomplete]

I asked Billboard columnist Fred Bronson the following question:

 

Hi Fred, I just want to know if the European Album Chart is based on sales or chart performance in all the European countries, as I see Celine Dion debut at number 1, and I think Leona Lewis sold even more copies. Thanks a lot and take care!!

 

Fred replied:

 

Luis, Thanks for your e-mail. By coincidence, someone else asked this a few days ago, and their letter and my reply can be found in this week's Chart Beat Chat. Unfortunately, because of Thanksgiving, the column has not been posted yet even though I wrote it as usual. I'm hoping it will go up soon. Best, Fred

 

So very soon we will get an official answer!!

 

WOW! Thank you luisma4 for asking the question! At least someone in this forum cares about it

[one heart]

Thank you luisma4 for asking the question

[GoldenLeaf]

Thank you luisma4 for asking the question

Hmm.. maybe I'm being rude but why are you always copying the comments of the other people?

[caroline_reynolds]

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http://z100.com/pages/info/request.html

 

http://www.z104fm.com/pages/ryanwalker.html

[smw]

Yeah, these days you just can't sell many as many albums as in the 80s or 90s with all these free downloads and pirated CDs...

 

And don't forget: Céline sells very well in Asia BUT the big percentage of these albums she sells in Asia are pirates... There are so many pirated albums in China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Philippines etc. etc. etc.... That's why it decreases a LOT the real sales of the original releases... sad but true...

The same goes for Poland. Tunisia, Egypt and Russia/former USSR countries...

Even if you don't have the internet you can go to the nearest market place in your city there and buy the pirated album for very little money...

 

 

And an another thing:

 

I would love if you stop calling Alicia Keys a "b*tch" and her album "a piece of crap"!!!!

She's a really tallented person, I really like her new album!!!

 

And even if you don't like her, her music or just her recent album - just show ome respect and control your tongue, ok?? Otherwise you show a bad attitude of yourself.

 

I'm sure Céline would do so too.

 

Thank you!

 

I don't know about the others, buit anything that gets in the way of Celine Dion

is HELL for me.

 

I love John Mayer and his music, but for me he has lost many points,

as he is in Alicia's ALBUM

 

I don't like Alicia The same for Josh Groban

 

That ain't healthy. I doubt Celine gives a damn!

[Prince Whiskers]

Marcos needs to take it easy. It's not like Alicia will ever sell 100M albums, let alone 200M. I have a feeling that when she turns 30 or older, her music will become less mainstream. She's doing the ill-contrived hip-hop stuff right now to please Clive Davis. She's basically a child of RNB and I think she'd want to experiment within that genre when the time comes.

[max24]

AUSTRALIA

Physical Singles - 38 (29)

Albums - 15 (12)

Physical albums - 16 (12)

 

Can anyone post chartrun for "Taking Chances" on the SINGLES CHART? Celine is outside Top50 and ARIA site doesn't cover that

[manilou]

I asked Billboard columnist Fred Bronson the following question:

 

Hi Fred, I just want to know if the European Album Chart is based on sales or chart performance in all the European countries, as I see Celine Dion debut at number 1, and I think Leona Lewis sold even more copies. Thanks a lot and take care!!

 

Fred replied:

 

Luis, Thanks for your e-mail. By coincidence, someone else asked this a few days ago, and their letter and my reply can be found in this week's Chart Beat Chat. Unfortunately, because of Thanksgiving, the column has not been posted yet even though I wrote it as usual. I'm hoping it will go up soon. Best, Fred

 

So very soon we will get an official answer!!

 

I'm the other person

[pra]

I asked Billboard columnist Fred Bronson the following question:

 

Hi Fred, I just want to know if the European Album Chart is based on sales or chart performance in all the European countries, as I see Celine Dion debut at number 1, and I think Leona Lewis sold even more copies. Thanks a lot and take care!!

 

Fred replied:

 

Luis, Thanks for your e-mail. By coincidence, someone else asked this a few days ago, and their letter and my reply can be found in this week's Chart Beat Chat. Unfortunately, because of Thanksgiving, the column has not been posted yet even though I wrote it as usual. I'm hoping it will go up soon. Best, Fred

 

So very soon we will get an official answer!!

 

I'm the other person

 

[LuisMa]

I asked Billboard columnist Fred Bronson the following question:

 

Hi Fred, I just want to know if the European Album Chart is based on sales or chart performance in all the European countries, as I see Celine Dion debut at number 1, and I think Leona Lewis sold even more copies. Thanks a lot and take care!!

 

Fred replied:

 

Luis, Thanks for your e-mail. By coincidence, someone else asked this a few days ago, and their letter and my reply can be found in this week's Chart Beat Chat. Unfortunately, because of Thanksgiving, the column has not been posted yet even though I wrote it as usual. I'm hoping it will go up soon. Best, Fred

 

So very soon we will get an official answer!!

 

I'm the other person

 

I had a feeling you would be manilou.

[LuisMa]

Celine hangs onto the Top 10 in the UK:

 

The Top10 Albums in the UK for the Week [48] Ending 01.12.2007:

 

1 ~ 1 ~ SPIRIT ~ LEONA LEWIS ~ SYCO MUSIC ~ 88697185262 ~ 2

3 ~ 2 ~ BACK HOME ~ WESTLIFE ~ S ~ 88697176702 ~ 3

## ~ 3 ~ REJOICE ~ KATHERINE JENKINS ~ UCJ ~ 4766200 ~ 1

## ~ 4 ~ TANGLED UP ~ GIRLS ALOUD ~ FASCINATION ~ 1750580 ~ 1

4 ~ 5 ~ MOTHERSHIP ~ LED ZEPPELIN ~ ATLANTIC ~ 8122799615 ~ 2

6 ~ 6 ~ LONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN ~ EAGLES ~ POLYDOR ~ 1749406 ~ 4

2 ~ 7 ~ GREATEST HITS ~ SPICE GIRLS ~ VIRGIN ~ SPICECD1 ~ 2

8 ~ 8 ~ VIVERE - THE BEST OF ~ ANDREA BOCELLI ~ SUGAR/UCJ ~ 1746680 ~ 2

9 ~ 9 ~ BEAUTIFUL WORLD ~ TAKE THAT ~ POLYDOR ~ 1747133 ~ 52

5 ~ 10 ~ TAKING CHANCES ~ CELINE DION ~ COLUMBIA ~ 88697081142 ~ 2

[LuisMa]

By the way, even with "No One" strongly pierced inside the Top 10 on the British charts, Celine totally beat her, as her album enters at a rather disappointing No. 14.

[isurrender]

I didn't know where to write that but last week on the Japanese chart

 

15 Celine Dion / Taking Chances - 12,284 (31,813) (well, we already knew that)

152 Celine Dion / All the Way... A Decade of a song - 1,007

[thevoice]

according to hitsdailydouble josh and alicia r competing for the #1 spot this week - they expect both records to sell around 300k . they do not mention celine which means we won't see a dramatic rise this week (not that it was expected )...i just hope for not more than 50% decline this week . i pray she'll stay part of the top 10 Edited November 25, 2007 at 09:19 PM by thevoice

[boyblackuk]

The Billboard European album chart is NOT ABOUT SALES! It'S about points. So it's possible, that Céline is number 1 even if Leona or Alicia sold more than her in Europe this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, yeah. That's why the rest of the top10 albums including Leona, Alicias, Eagles... all sold more than the #1 album on the chart. If points is not based on sales, I don't know what else it's based on. Is the album chart based on air play or fans request or maybe buzz on internet? You just made me wanna laugh out loud.

I found out on this site that Taking Chances sold more than 509 000 copies worlwide.

I dont know if its a reliable site though but it seems more representative of Celine's sales around the world.

 

 

 

Celine Dion Taking Chances 474000 509550

 

http://www.worldwidealbums.net/

USA 214.000

Canada 79.000

Japan 35.000

UK 55.000

France 30.000

Spain 20.000

 

total 433.000

 

So all the other countries top10 add together, she had only sold 76,000 copies. I don't think so. These charts just don't count all markets. And don't forget Celine sells everywhere, not like the others only sells in 1 or 2 markets.

 

It is, it takes into consideration Mediatraffic and more, confirmed on their website.

 

DO you all realise how good selling 500k in one week actually is, out expectations are so high it seems sometimes people just arent happy.

 

Well Done Celine, we are looking at over a million over the coming weeks which is excellent and with a tour we will sell loads

[Ted]

Taking Chances is at #14 top albums on itunes in USA.

[Prince Whiskers]

I hope Celine stays in the 200K range this week in the US although I'm not surprised by the info supplied to us by the voice. I've been having this sneaking suspicion that Alicia will top the charts again this week. With TC losing ground to holiday music on AC radio, Celine has to compensate for a stronger showing on top 40 radio. It's time to release FA or even the Ne-Yo collaboration, I daresay. Edited November 26, 2007 at 09:42 AM by manuel morriso

[Ronny83]

In Italy the album is at #8 in its second week. Still good.

[one heart]

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wow.............I done !!!

[isurrender]

In Italy the album is at #8 in its second week. Still good.

 

 

Whooww that's a very good news when we see the top 10 ! Even Eros lost his number one spot and drops # no4 !

 

Well done!

[max24]

89,087 - total sales in UK after two weeks

[miracle_girl]

Hey i was looking on the wikidiepia at the taking chances page!

 

It has all the peak potitions of the album and some total sales numbers!!

Only thing im confused about is it says it peaked at number 1 in europe

Does this mean it was the number 1 album in europe!!

I know it sounds so obviouse but i was just wondering if i was thinking right??

 

& actually looking at the sales the album has not done that bad

It was the 2nd best selling album in its first week out world wide!!

 

Thats good and its gone gold in two countries!!

 

& it also says its sold 454,000 in its first week!! is this right aswell??

Edited November 26, 2007 at 03:40 PM by miracle_girl

[LuisMa]

The Billboard European album chart is NOT ABOUT SALES! It'S about points. So it's possible, that Céline is number 1 even if Leona or Alicia sold more than her in Europe this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, yeah. That's why the rest of the top10 albums including Leona, Alicias, Eagles... all sold more than the #1 album on the chart. If points is not based on sales, I don't know what else it's based on. Is the album chart based on air play or fans request or maybe buzz on internet? You just made me wanna laugh out loud.

I found out on this site that Taking Chances sold more than 509 000 copies worlwide.

I dont know if its a reliable site though but it seems more representative of Celine's sales around the world.

 

 

 

Celine Dion Taking Chances 474000 509550

 

http://www.worldwidealbums.net/

USA 214.000

Canada 79.000

Japan 35.000

UK 55.000

France 30.000

Spain 20.000

 

total 433.000

 

So all the other countries top10 add together, she had only sold 76,000 copies. I don't think so. These charts just don't count all markets. And don't forget Celine sells everywhere, not like the others only sells in 1 or 2 markets.

 

Well, here is the official answer from Fred Bronson, found at http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/chat.jsp

FROM ALL OVER EUROPE

 

Hi Fred,

 

I love reading your column, and look forward to it each week.

 

I have a question regarding Billboard's European Top 100 Albums and Hot 100 Singles charts. Are they compiled by adding the sales figures from the European countries or by averaging the chart positions in each country? It would be easy to just add album sales, but for the singles chart it would be different, since single sales is only one of the factors in the chart position.

 

I'm glad Britney at least had her one week at No. 1, even if it had to be on the pan-European chart.

 

Thanks again for your informative and entertaining columns.

 

Ayman Helweh

Penang, Malaysia

 

Dear Ayman,

 

I thought the best person to answer your question was Paul Pomfret of Billboard's London bureau. Paul is the chart manager for all of the charts that appear on the Hits of the World pages in Billboard. Here's what he had to say, and please note that when Paul refers to the IFPI, he is talking about the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry, a worldwide trade organization similar to the RIAA in the United States.

 

"The European Hot 100 Singles and European Top 100 Albums are complied on a points-weighted system. The points allocated to the positions are based on IFPI world ranking and country size.

 

"Each country has points allocated for every position within the chart that is sent by the official chart supplier of that country. The points for each country's song in the No. 1 position will vary across the European territories. The points allocated by each country over the four quarters of the chart year vary to reflect the music market. So, the points gained in the fourth quarter (the strongest quarter) by an artist in Austria will be greater than the points gained by the same artist in the third quarter (the weakest quarter).

 

"The overall European chart position is tabulated by adding all the points across all the European territories in which the title has charted. The complied points determine the overall position for each title on the European Singles and Albums charts.

 

"Digital download sales are included in some European charts provided to us for the singles and albums charts. In some territories singles sales data may be solely based on digital download sales data."

 

So, the European music chart IS indeed based on points. BRAVO manilou you were totally right. This also shows us that we need to have facts before judging other people's comments.