"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

Whoever is in charge of Celine at Sony needs to seriously consider their position.

 

We can blame a lack of manager but let''s not pretend that all was well when Rene was in charge. Sony still had no idea what to do or how to market her back then. And nothing has changed. Remember the cheapo LMBTL video from the Quebec concert cos they wouldn't pay for a "proper" music video? Remember how the second single "Incredible" got a music video a full 6 months after Celine and Ne-Yo performed it on The Voice? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We randomly get music videos then we randomly get nothing. Do we even need to talk about the EUS music video farce? Celine's most important and emotive French album in a long time. We know they filmed footage for a video. Somehow it never gets released. We get 2 music videos for the "Courage" album but not for the one song they apparently believed in, took time and spent money on filming a video for! (Lying Down) Even if the song bombed what is the harm in releasing it? Seriously what's the big deal to release it? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We get literally zero promotion beyond release week for an album that the world waited 6 years for. Even if Celine were sick, one day she's not going to be here at all, and you can bet they'll find a way to market her unreleased / from the vaults material then! Who is deciding this stuff?

 

DVD's and BluRay may not sell the way they used to, but when when it's something special people do still buy them. Where's the release for Celine's 2nd Vegas residency? Sell it on iTunes, put it on her YouTube channel for free or make a deal with Netflix or whatever. BST Hyde Park? An undoubted highlight of Celine's career. She enjoyed it so much she booked to do more festivals during the "Courage World Tour." We know it was professionally filmed. More than a year has passed and nothing. We ain't getting that show either. How about uploading some live tracks from the show to iTunes or Spotify? Nope. Why? It's only Celine Dion, let's not bother!

 

Celine may well be a "touring artist" now. She seems happy with that. She may well be a legacy artist in the record companies eyes. She may well, according to some, have no interest in her own music. Surely though, the one job of the "team" at the record company is to promote the music and get it out there? Somebody at Sony is deciding "let's not bother" with Celine. Who is it?

 

Every other major artist - legacy or not - has their record company all over their new (and older!) material. Singles, music videos, promotion, online adverts, rare material, box sets, special editions, re-releases, DVD's, documentaries, Netflix deals etc. I am most certainly not aiming any of this at Celine herself, she's worked her #ss off her whole life. She deserves a team who has a clue to do the work for her!

 

Sony though? Celine even visited their headquarters last year in person to thank them all. It feels to me though like they're laughing at her!

I couldn’t agree more!

[couldawouldashoulda]

Whoever is in charge of Celine at Sony needs to seriously consider their position.

 

We can blame a lack of manager but let''s not pretend that all was well when Rene was in charge. Sony still had no idea what to do or how to market her back then. And nothing has changed. Remember the cheapo LMBTL video from the Quebec concert cos they wouldn't pay for a "proper" music video? Remember how the second single "Incredible" got a music video a full 6 months after Celine and Ne-Yo performed it on The Voice? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We randomly get music videos then we randomly get nothing. Do we even need to talk about the EUS music video farce? Celine's most important and emotive French album in a long time. We know they filmed footage for a video. Somehow it never gets released. We get 2 music videos for the "Courage" album but not for the one song they apparently believed in, took time and spent money on filming a video for! (Lying Down) Even if the song bombed what is the harm in releasing it? Seriously what's the big deal to release it? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We get literally zero promotion beyond release week for an album that the world waited 6 years for. Even if Celine were sick, one day she's not going to be here at all, and you can bet they'll find a way to market her unreleased / from the vaults material then! Who is deciding this stuff?

 

DVD's and BluRay may not sell the way they used to, but when when it's something special people do still buy them. Where's the release for Celine's 2nd Vegas residency? Sell it on iTunes, put it on her YouTube channel for free or make a deal with Netflix or whatever. BST Hyde Park? An undoubted highlight of Celine's career. She enjoyed it so much she booked to do more festivals during the "Courage World Tour." We know it was professionally filmed. More than a year has passed and nothing. We ain't getting that show either. How about uploading some live tracks from the show to iTunes or Spotify? Nope. Why? It's only Celine Dion, let's not bother!

 

Celine may well be a "touring artist" now. She seems happy with that. She may well be a legacy artist in the record companies eyes. She may well, according to some, have no interest in her own music. Surely though, the one job of the "team" at the record company is to promote the music and get it out there? Somebody at Sony is deciding "let's not bother" with Celine. Who is it?

 

Every other major artist - legacy or not - has their record company all over their new (and older!) material. Singles, music videos, promotion, online adverts, rare material, box sets, special editions, re-releases, DVD's, documentaries, Netflix deals etc. I am most certainly not aiming any of this at Celine herself, she's worked her #ss off her whole life. She deserves a team who has a clue to do the work for her!

 

Sony though? Celine even visited their headquarters last year in person to thank them all. It feels to me though like they're laughing at her!

 

I think they probably are laughing at her. I think Sony doesn't respect Celine. I think Celine knows this and that's why she made a point of visiting their offices when she was in NYC - to try to build a connection. But if the team at Sony sees her as a "Vegas artist" or "the Titanic singer" or "that old singer who we all used to make fun of because she hits herself in her chest while she sings" then they're absolutely not going to put any effort into her. And I also believe that Rene (and now Celine carrying on his tradition) was a very loyal person who stuck with the company that took a chance on you.

 

That being said, I agree with you. I think Celine should ditch Sony and go with another company. I highly doubt she'll do that thought because there's been no dip in the amount of money she's making. Why make waves if you don't have to?

[smw]

I think it’s more so that Celine doesn’t think of marketing the way that other artists do — like Mariah or Madonna or a lot of the newer artists. She doesn’t play as much of a role in that side of her career, unfortunately, and it shows.

 

Shania, I’ve noticed, has gotten super creative with marketing herself lately.

 

Granted, as others here have stated, Celine will always sell out shows so that’s partly why she and her team don’t have to try very hard or get creative. Selling out shows is not as much of a guarantee for someone like Shania these days. So she kind of has to get creative.

 

If Celine were more collaborative with Sony and pushed them with certain marketing visions, I’m sure we’d see more success and surprises. With that said, Celine’s team has no excuse. They should help to steer the marketing of her career. Her team desperately needs a wake up call and some fresh faces with some new ideas and strategies. Sony is to blame as well but if they’re not getting any inspiration from the artist / team of the artist, it’s understandable (to a degree) that it fizzles out.

 

I just can’t wrap my brain around the fact that the promo for Courage literally disappeared the second week it was released. That’s inexcusable. Who do we blame for that? It would’ve been so easy to roll out more promo — even if it was just recirculating the interviews from Sept 2019 when they released the first tracks. But we got nothing.

Edited August 19, 2020 at 09:14 PM by smw

[Bruno Portugal]

Looking at the phenomenon that is Mariah again and comparing it with the sleeping state of Celine's career, I cannot fail to make the following reflection:

 

Did you know that Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiaparelli were legendary rivals? They were the best of their time BUT today one's name is known worldwide, and the other is nearly forgotten...

 

That’s because of promotion!!!

Celine needs to promote herself, her music, her work. That if she wants to be known in the next 100 years.

I adore the Courage album but I’m so disappointed because only fans know about it.

 

Mariah is doing her homework very well. With less voice when compared to Celine, she menages to be everywhere with numerous #1 hits.

Celine has always been an athlete... Now it’s not time to cross arms. It’s time to release music vIdeos, perform in award ceremonies, release new songs or unreleased ones, record an album of duets, jazz, act in some films... so many possibilities.

 

It’s time to Celine be Celine!

[nuts2you]

I sure would like to know what Rene Told her when she had that 1 yr off , cause I think she said that she has alot of material that she wrote down .I wonder if she goes by it, we all know that he gave her %50 of his,

[nuts2you]

Btw keep this tread going I'm enjoying it, :clap: :-D

[smw]

I appreciate that we are passionate fans!

 

Celine’s had a ton of success over the past few years. It’s easy to dwell on the negative vs focusing on the positive.

 

Ashes, tours selling out, fashion icon... We just want her new music to be properly handled. And we want someone in her circle to steer the ship back towards Celine Dion being one of the greatest singers of all time. The public needs to be reminded on a regular basis

Edited August 19, 2020 at 09:23 PM by smw

[ryba]

Looking at the phenomenon that is Mariah again and comparing it with the sleeping state of Celine's career, I cannot fail to make the following reflection:

 

Did you know that Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiaparelli were legendary rivals? They were the best of their time BUT today one's name is known worldwide, and the other is nearly forgotten...

 

That's because of promotion!!!

Celine needs to promote herself, her music, her work. That if she wants to be known in the next 100 years.

I adore the Courage album but I'm so disappointed because only fans know about it.

 

Mariah is doing her homework very well. With less voice when compared to Celine, she menages to be everywhere with numerous #1 hits.

Celine has always been an athlete... Now it's not time to cross arms. It's time to release music vIdeos, perform in award ceremonies, release new songs or unreleased ones, record an album of duets, jazz, act in some films... so many possibilities.

 

It's time to Celine be Celine!

thats what she was doing under Aldo. It was like her career was finally taking off after a long winter sleep. And after Aldo was gone,everything fall back into sleep

[smw]

I want a juicy documentary released on Netflix (like Taylor Swift’s but better!) that gives the entire story of Celine Dion. We’re overdue for a new one. One made by a respected filmmaker like Xavier Dolan. There are still so many people who have no clue about Celine’s international career or where she came from. It could be ICONIC.

 

I get flustered when I read the comments on YouTube videos sometimes — fans of Mariah or Gaga or Beyoncé who literally have no idea of Celine’s background. Some don’t even know she’s French Canadian or that French is her first language. It blows my mind. And it makes me realize the need for a fresh, brand new documentary that covers her entire career up to now.

Edited August 19, 2020 at 09:29 PM by smw

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

I definitely agree. That said, Mariah is super into her legacy and has way more of an ego than Celine. Secondly, we all know Celine was very late with getting hip to social media and doesn't even use much technology herself, apparently. Thirdly, she lost her mom not long ago...who knows how that can be affecting her in ways we do not see She may be supporting or taking care of business with her huge family during this weird pandemic time.

 

Also, she simply has to be asked to perform on some shows. I don't know how booking works, but either she isn't being asked, or she is rejecting, or her team simply needs to start pushing harder to get her out in the spotlight. After all, she wouldn't be alone in being off the radar. Adele and Beyonce are always hard to get a hold of and don't do many interviews or performances. Why don't we compare Celine to them instead of Mariah?

 

Of course, though, some us feel like Celine when being interviewed by Larry King

 

"I know there's reasons for it, but I'm sorry to say, I'm being rude, I don't want to hear those reasons!"

 

Mariah is super into her legacy because she is an artist. She writes or co-writes the majority of her music. There is an extra layer of pride there. Celine, on the other hand, hires others to do the work for her. There is little to no emotional investment in the songs she records because the songs really aren’t hers. She’s just a pretty voice attached to someone else’s words and melodies.

[Xpresso]

So, Mariah is good at promoting herself on social media. So what, does she sell more than Celine? No.

Does she sell out her (small) tours? No. Sony knows that Celine sells to her fan base and they won't lose money regardless. She has sold around 650k copies of Courage without much promo - and that's more than Mariah's last album. And if they had spent time and money on promo, Courage might have sold 700k. Is it really worth it in Sony's eyes? Do the math.

 

Celine is doing fine. She has decided to enjoy life after losing people close to her. And that's a smart decision once you realize life is short and not just about promo and numbers. She does what she wants and she's enjoying it, even if it doesn't please some fans.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I think it's more so that Celine doesn't think of marketing the way that other artists do — like Mariah or Madonna or a lot of the newer artists. She doesn't play as much of a role in that side of her career, unfortunately, and it shows.

 

Shania, I've noticed, has gotten super creative with marketing herself lately.

 

Granted, as others here have stated, Celine will always sell out shows so that's partly why she and her team don't have to try very hard or get creative. Selling out shows is not as much of a guarantee for someone like Shania these days. So she kind of has to get creative.

 

If Celine were more collaborative with Sony and pushed them with certain marketing visions, I'm sure we'd see more success and surprises. With that said, Celine's team has no excuse. They should help to steer the marketing of her career. Her team desperately needs a wake up call and some fresh faces with some new ideas and strategies. Sony is to blame as well but if they're not getting any inspiration from the artist / team of the artist, it's understandable (to a degree) that it fizzles out.

 

I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that the promo for Courage literally disappeared the second week it was released. That's inexcusable. Who do we blame for that? It would've been so easy to roll out more promo — even if it was just recirculating the interviews from Sept 2019 when they released the first tracks. But we got nothing.

 

Don’t forget that they had more promo planned for November when the album came out but she got sick, had to cancel shows and reschedule them for the time when she was supposed to have off to do the promo.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Looking at the phenomenon that is Mariah again and comparing it with the sleeping state of Celine's career, I cannot fail to make the following reflection:

 

Did you know that Coco Chanel and Elsa Schiaparelli were legendary rivals? They were the best of their time BUT today one's name is known worldwide, and the other is nearly forgotten...

 

That's because of promotion!!!

Celine needs to promote herself, her music, her work. That if she wants to be known in the next 100 years.

I adore the Courage album but I'm so disappointed because only fans know about it.

 

Mariah is doing her homework very well. With less voice when compared to Celine, she menages to be everywhere with numerous #1 hits.

Celine has always been an athlete... Now it's not time to cross arms. It's time to release music vIdeos, perform in award ceremonies, release new songs or unreleased ones, record an album of duets, jazz, act in some films... so many possibilities.

 

It's time to Celine be Celine!

 

Celine will be remembered in 100 years time. Beauty and the Beast. My Heart Will Go On. Her stamp on Vegas. Sinatra is remembered. Garland is remembered. Celine will be remembered whether she ever records another song or releases another video.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I want a juicy documentary released on Netflix (like Taylor Swift's but better!) that gives the entire story of Celine Dion. We're overdue for a new one. One made by a respected filmmaker like Xavier Dolan. There are still so many people who have no clue about Celine's international career or where she came from. It could be ICONIC.

 

I get flustered when I read the comments on YouTube videos sometimes — fans of Mariah or Gaga or Beyoncé who literally have no idea of Celine's background. Some don't even know she's French Canadian or that French is her first language. It blows my mind. And it makes me realize the need for a fresh, brand new documentary that covers her entire career up to now.

 

The important part for you to remember is that it’s something you want but not something Celine has to do because you want it. Maybe she doesn’t want a documentary done of her. She did that for the Taking World Chances Tour. Maybe she decided it was a pain in the #ss and she doesn’t want to do another one? It’s okay that Beyoncé fans don’t know Céline is French Canadian. Them having that knowledge won’t change anything significantly.

[smw]

Right... as Celine’s fan for close to 3 decades, I definitely have my own wishes (and frustrations) when it comes to her career. And I enjoy posting about them sometimes on this Celine Dion fan forum.

 

We should all be able to share our thoughts & opinions as long as we remain respectful. Because I feel a certain way doesn’t mean you have to.

Edited August 20, 2020 at 12:09 AM by smw

[couldawouldashoulda]

Right... as Celine's fan for close to 3 decades, I definitely have my own wishes (and frustrations) when it comes to her career. And I enjoy posting about them sometimes on this Celine Dion fan forum.

 

We should all be able to share our thoughts & opinions as long as we remain respectful. Because I feel a certain way doesn't mean you have to.

 

Completely agree with you about not having the same thoughts/opinions and that’s ok. I take issue with people (and not saying you’re necessarily doing it) with people who feel like Celine owes them something. That just because they want it, Celine should do it.

[PuraVida]

So, Mariah is good at promoting herself on social media. So what, does she sell more than Celine? No.

Does she sell out her (small) tours? No. Sony knows that Celine sells to her fan base and they won't lose money regardless. She has sold around 650k copies of Courage without much promo - and that's more than Mariah's last album. And if they had spent time and money on promo, Courage might have sold 700k. Is it really worth it in Sony's eyes? Do the math.

 

Celine is doing fine. She has decided to enjoy life after losing people close to her. And that's a smart decision once you realize life is short and not just about promo and numbers. She does what she wants and she's enjoying it, even if it doesn't please some fans.

 

I am all for Celine enjoying life, but it's not just about her. It's about her team around her and her team at Sony. The point is to maximize your potential sales...and it is likely that Mariah is maximizing her sales even if they are less than Celine. Because it's not just social media, she performed in promo of her book on a morning show today. It's really not hard to do a lot of the things that they could do. They could have posted all the Behind-The-Scenes content and interviews last year. Celine is not in retirement, so she shouldn't act like it when she actually has stuff promote. That's just one example.

 

Like, why did they start the tour before the album came out? It literally makes no sense.

[PuraVida]

Mariah is super into her legacy because she is an artist. She writes or co-writes the majority of her music. There is an extra layer of pride there. Celine, on the other hand, hires others to do the work for her. There is little to no emotional investment in the songs she records because the songs really aren't hers. She's just a pretty voice attached to someone else's words and melodies.

 

That's definitely a big part of it. That's one thing I admire about her, is that she really emotionally feels her songs and used music as a way to get through life and heal.

[smw]

Celine doesn’t owe any of us anything.

However, we are allowed to have our own opinions and we are allowed to express those opinions.

Which is kind of the whole point of this forum.

Usually, I tend to remain celebratory of Celine & her career.

But just because we’re fans doesn’t mean we don’t have to agree with each move she makes.

It is exhausting when it feels like certain ppl only post negative comments. I don’t understand the point of that... why waste your time spewing only negative energy? Just don’t be a Celine fan!

She brings me joy which is why I still come here.

[beelee]

I think the only way Celine will do the promotion that most of us want is if the next tour flops.

 

Sony is making hundreds of millions of dollars from her without having to spend money on promotion. If I was in charge of Sony and only wanted to make money, this would be a dream come true.

 

Oh, we’re low on cash? Let’s ask Celine if she wants to spend a couple of years in Vegas.

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

I think it’s more so that Celine doesn’t think of marketing the way that other artists do — like Mariah or Madonna or a lot of the newer artists. She doesn’t play as much of a role in that side of her career, unfortunately, and it shows.

 

Shania, I’ve noticed, has gotten super creative with marketing herself lately.

 

Granted, as others here have stated, Celine will always sell out shows so that’s partly why she and her team don’t have to try very hard or get creative. Selling out shows is not as much of a guarantee for someone like Shania these days. So she kind of has to get creative.

 

If Celine were more collaborative with Sony and pushed them with certain marketing visions, I’m sure we’d see more success and surprises. With that said, Celine’s team has no excuse. They should help to steer the marketing of her career. Her team desperately needs a wake up call and some fresh faces with some new ideas and strategies. Sony is to blame as well but if they’re not getting any inspiration from the artist / team of the artist, it’s understandable (to a degree) that it fizzles out.

 

I just can’t wrap my brain around the fact that the promo for Courage literally disappeared the second week it was released. That’s inexcusable. Who do we blame for that? It would’ve been so easy to roll out more promo — even if it was just recirculating the interviews from Sept 2019 when they released the first tracks. But we got nothing.

 

but again i am afraid of what will happen if they are NO MORE LIVE CONCERTS, TOURS, VEGAS RESIDENCIES, etc... & everything will be VIRTUAL from now on - what will happen with celines music career (since she HATES recording shows from home apparently?) do you think she will go into early retirement from music? again i really really really hope not, but that is what i am fearing if NO WORKING VACCINE, CURE, OR TREAMENT for the coronavirus will come to fruition after all this... it is something we all got to keep in mind as well... 😞

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Whoever is in charge of Celine at Sony needs to seriously consider their position.

 

We can blame a lack of manager but let''s not pretend that all was well when Rene was in charge. Sony still had no idea what to do or how to market her back then. And nothing has changed. Remember the cheapo LMBTL video from the Quebec concert cos they wouldn't pay for a "proper" music video? Remember how the second single "Incredible" got a music video a full 6 months after Celine and Ne-Yo performed it on The Voice? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We randomly get music videos then we randomly get nothing. Do we even need to talk about the EUS music video farce? Celine's most important and emotive French album in a long time. We know they filmed footage for a video. Somehow it never gets released. We get 2 music videos for the "Courage" album but not for the one song they apparently believed in, took time and spent money on filming a video for! (Lying Down) Even if the song bombed what is the harm in releasing it? Seriously what's the big deal to release it? Who is deciding this stuff?

 

We get literally zero promotion beyond release week for an album that the world waited 6 years for. Even if Celine were sick, one day she's not going to be here at all, and you can bet they'll find a way to market her unreleased / from the vaults material then! Who is deciding this stuff?

 

DVD's and BluRay may not sell the way they used to, but when when it's something special people do still buy them. Where's the release for Celine's 2nd Vegas residency? Sell it on iTunes, put it on her YouTube channel for free or make a deal with Netflix or whatever. BST Hyde Park? An undoubted highlight of Celine's career. She enjoyed it so much she booked to do more festivals during the "Courage World Tour." We know it was professionally filmed. More than a year has passed and nothing. We ain't getting that show either. How about uploading some live tracks from the show to iTunes or Spotify? Nope. Why? It's only Celine Dion, let's not bother!

 

Celine may well be a "touring artist" now. She seems happy with that. She may well be a legacy artist in the record companies eyes. She may well, according to some, have no interest in her own music. Surely though, the one job of the "team" at the record company is to promote the music and get it out there? Somebody at Sony is deciding "let's not bother" with Celine. Who is it?

 

Every other major artist - legacy or not - has their record company all over their new (and older!) material. Singles, music videos, promotion, online adverts, rare material, box sets, special editions, re-releases, DVD's, documentaries, Netflix deals etc. I am most certainly not aiming any of this at Celine herself, she's worked her #ss off her whole life. She deserves a team who has a clue to do the work for her!

 

Sony though? Celine even visited their headquarters last year in person to thank them all. It feels to me though like they're laughing at her!

 

yes i know what you are trying to say & i agree it had been true - during the PRE-PANDEMIC & PRE-CORONAVIRUS TIME! but now EVERYTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED because of this pandemic, & if there are NO WORKING VACCINE, CURE, OR TREATMENT for the coronavirus, all of what is going on nowadays will be "OUR NEW NORMAL" & that NOTHING will go back to what it used to be!

 

that means there will be NO MORE LIVE SHOWS, CONCERTS, TOURS, RESIDENCIES, etc. & there will ONLY be the "VIRTUAL shows from home"... but since it is apparent that celine HATES doing those "virtual from home shows", & that she will NO LONGER BE A "TOURING ARTIST" as you put it... do you think it will be the end of her music career? again i really, truly, deeply hope not, but because of the current pandemic, that is what i am afraid of...

 

because lets face it, if there is indeed no vaccines, cures, or treatments for coronavirus, concert arenas, stadiums, theaters, etc will never be reopened, & especially not like normal! & like another forum member said in another post about this very topic, the only people who would be abe to afford to go to concerts will be RICH PEOPLE... & even then artists & promoters STILL wont make enough $$ to survive as the rich make up ONLY 1%-2% of the worlds population as it is, the MAJORITY 98%-99% people in this world are POOR & MIDDLE CLASS - & again because of the pandemic & MILLIONS of people still without employment - look for the numbers of poor people to go HIGHER, & the numbers of rich people to go LOWER! & there are ONLY so many rich people who can go to celines (or mariahs, shanias, madonnas, beyonces, eltons, etc) shows only so many times in a row... so if arenas, stadiums, theaters, etc did reopen, the revenues for concerts, sports, broadway shows, movies, etc will still be WELL BELOW normal levels if the 98%-99% of the population can not afford to attend!!!!!!

 

again i hope none of this is true, we all want everything to go back to nornal, & i am praying every single day that it will be someday... but we all got to keep in mind that most likely it will not, no matter what you believe in, what political parties you all support, where you are living @, etc... the current pandemic is changing all of our lives forever! 😥

[guigafs15]

 

 

but again i am afraid of what will happen if they are NO MORE LIVE CONCERTS, TOURS, VEGAS RESIDENCIES, etc... & everything will be VIRTUAL from now on - what will happen with celines music career (since she HATES recording shows from home apparently?) do you think she will go into early retirement from music? again i really really really hope not, but that is what i am fearing if NO WORKING VACCINE, CURE, OR TREAMENT for the coronavirus will come to fruition after all this... it is something we all got to keep in mind as well... 😞

 

I wouldn't worry about that. This is still a capitalist world and live concerts it's a multibillionaire industry. Even if we never get a vaccine, they would let people die before shut down for good.

The isolation is already limited, people are filling the beaches, parks... In China, where we had the first appearance of the virus, there's concert happening. They won't hold back music industry for much longer.

 

Mark my words: with or without coronavirus, next year everything will be re-open.

[PuraVida]

Celine doesn't owe any of us anything.

However, we are allowed to have our own opinions and we are allowed to express those opinions.

Which is kind of the whole point of this forum.

Usually, I tend to remain celebratory of Celine & her career.

But just because we're fans doesn't mean we don't have to agree with each move she makes.

It is exhausting when it feels like certain ppl only post negative comments. I don't understand the point of that... why waste your time spewing only negative energy? Just don't be a Celine fan!

She brings me joy which is why I still come here.

 

I think people are generally quite positive when Celine is actually out there and doing stuff. It's when she's not doing stuff--a majority of the time?--that people get cranky. I will admit I am generally a cranky person, but I am very celebratory of Celine's (older) performances. Some people celebrate her fashion, some people her music, and (apparently) some fans celebrate her career moves as sufficient. To each their own.

 

But like I said, I am fed up with her team. Because I actually assume that she enjoys doing projects and being connected with fans, but her brain doesn't naturally go there nor does she understand how the industry works nowadays... so it's up to her team to explain and push her a bit. I presume she would say yes. I mean, she said yes to that random Instagram shopping thing, and to a random L'Oreal and clothing collaboration (and purses? too)...yes, those are all money-based, but remember her performance of Winter Song she put on FB live? Do that again!

[mirage]

They been ignorant since the release of her only Christmas album ever.

 

There have been many Christmases where they could have take advantage of the time of the year to release something. But nah.

Not even a new Christmas album, let alone just an Christmas EP.

 

So why would they do it now in 2020?

 

I am sure they will plan something for xmas. They are ignorant if they are not capitalising veteran market during xmas especially for uk market. If not album at least xmas song cover

[comingback]

I want a juicy documentary released on Netflix (like Taylor Swift’s but better!) that gives the entire story of Celine Dion. We’re overdue for a new one. One made by a respected filmmaker like Xavier Dolan. There are still so many people who have no clue about Celine’s international career or where she came from. It could be ICONIC.

 

I get flustered when I read the comments on YouTube videos sometimes — fans of Mariah or Gaga or Beyoncé who literally have no idea of Celine’s background. Some don’t even know she’s French Canadian or that French is her first language. It blows my mind. And it makes me realize the need for a fresh, brand new documentary that covers her entire career up to now.

 

Really? I thought most people know that she is French Canadian. And yes, a new docu would be amazing. She needs more promo.

[smw]

 

 

Really? I thought most people know that she is French Canadian. And yes, a new docu would be amazing. She needs more promo.

 

I used to think so too... but when I go down rabbit holes in the YouTube comments, it’s not pretty!

[Taking Chances]

yes i know what you are trying to say & i agree it had been true - during the PRE-PANDEMIC & PRE-CORONAVIRUS TIME! but now EVERYTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED because of this pandemic, & if there are NO WORKING VACCINE, CURE, OR TREATMENT for the coronavirus, all of what is going on nowadays will be "OUR NEW NORMAL" & that NOTHING will go back to what it used to be!

 

that means there will be NO MORE LIVE SHOWS, CONCERTS, TOURS, RESIDENCIES, etc. & there will ONLY be the "VIRTUAL shows from home"... but since it is apparent that celine HATES doing those "virtual from home shows", & that she will NO LONGER BE A "TOURING ARTIST" as you put it... do you think it will be the end of her music career? again i really, truly, deeply hope not, but because of the current pandemic, that is what i am afraid of...

 

because lets face it, if there is indeed no vaccines, cures, or treatments for coronavirus, concert arenas, stadiums, theaters, etc will never be reopened, & especially not like normal! & like another forum member said in another post about this very topic, the only people who would be abe to afford to go to concerts will be RICH PEOPLE... & even then artists & promoters STILL wont make enough $$ to survive as the rich make up ONLY 1%-2% of the worlds population as it is, the MAJORITY 98%-99% people in this world are POOR & MIDDLE CLASS - & again because of the pandemic & MILLIONS of people still without employment - look for the numbers of poor people to go HIGHER, & the numbers of rich people to go LOWER! & there are ONLY so many rich people who can go to celines (or mariahs, shanias, madonnas, beyonces, eltons, etc) shows only so many times in a row... so if arenas, stadiums, theaters, etc did reopen, the revenues for concerts, sports, broadway shows, movies, etc will still be WELL BELOW normal levels if the 98%-99% of the population can not afford to attend!!!!!!

 

again i hope none of this is true, we all want everything to go back to nornal, & i am praying every single day that it will be someday... but we all got to keep in mind that most likely it will not, no matter what you believe in, what political parties you all support, where you are living @, etc... the current pandemic is changing all of our lives forever! 😥

 

What Shaun was talking about was Celine management over the years. Your response has literally nothing to do with that. It's just a random rant about the pandemic with too many words in capital letters.

 

If anything, you just made a good case for them not doing other things during this time. Like release unreleased stuff, like concerts, music videos etc. If she can't tour for a while, they can still release digital (and physical) media. You know, things they should have been doing all along.

[sarit_celine]

I didn't know Mariah Carey has her own label, well that explains something...

I, at times, do envy Mariah fans

[jpatdeleon09]

lol the comparison to Mariah. Céline has been non stop touring/doing shows since 2003. While Mariah...

 

Actually, we’re so spoiled

Edited August 20, 2020 at 10:38 AM by jpatdeleon09