"Courage" album - Official Topic

[manu23]

Meanwhile in the real world...

 

Billboard's mid-year grossing women of 2020:

 

1. Celine Dion - 40 shows - $84.6M

2. Madonna - 52 shows - $36.3M

3. Cher - 22 shows - $28.6M

4. Ariana Grande - 20 shows - $28.1M

5. Lady Gaga - 7 shows - $12.4M

[PuraVida]

Meanwhile in the real world...

 

Billboard's mid-year grossing women of 2020:

 

1. Celine Dion - 40 shows - $84.6M

2. Madonna - 52 shows - $36.3M

3. Cher - 22 shows - $28.6M

4. Ariana Grande - 20 shows - $28.1M

5. Lady Gaga - 7 shows - $12.4M

 

Has she ever had a bigger per show gross rate than that?

[Céline RO]

Isn’t it pretty clear already that the farm picture is from last year? Everything points to that. Team Céline is known for posting old pictures.

[celinesounds]

Celine... At last..picking apples... Please Celine anything music related?? https://instagram.co...id=c48g7hm9mev9

 

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[Dancing_Queen]

An additional reason why I'm pretty sure the 'new' video is from last year:

 

I don't believe she'd just give away her location like that (paparazzi are all over it now).

 

Im a little worried that her team felt pressured to post something 'new' but couldn't obtain actual recent footage? Do they even know how to reach her? Lol

I just hope she's doing ok.

 

 

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Is there any logical explanation why at this point, many fans don't join this

and stay quiet as her new album got abandoned by her?

 

I see what other fans do, and they do campaign via twitter/instegram

and they manage to influence their artist. Mariah fans called "Lambs", but they are quite of a fighters

I tell you, I wonder what name best fit to describe Celine fans with no mean to hurt anybody

 

Well, I, for one, as a Céline fan am pretty calm, take life as it is and don’t fret over things that aren’t happening. I don’t care if she promotes her music. I just care that she releases it so that I can listen to it. I could not care less about YouTube streams, TikTok or whatever the hell else. There are a BUNCH of Celine fans like me. I’d actually say the majority.

 

Then you’ve got another large group of Celine fans. The ones who complain on here, who desperately want the summer tours and Vegas and BST released; however, once you start talking about what would actually have to be done to launch a campaign that had any hope of working, they go silent or say “I’m too busy with my life to put that much effort in.”

 

There are a few fans who will created a tweet, write on Sony or Celine’s official social media pages and complain that enough isn’t being done. They come across as whiny children stomping their feet on the ground because Mommy isn’t giving them what they want and they are completely ignored. Eventually, they turn into one of the two fans mentioned above.

[Xpresso]

An American currently can't enter for tourism or leisure, only essential travel allowed. And of course, Canadians always allowed to come home (as I did, and I think there were maybe 10 people on my flight from NYC to Toronto). Government tracks you to ensure self-isolation for 14 days (I got phone calls daily; if you don't pick up they show up in person). Closure currently extended until Sept 21st, at least.

 

I'd like to be the official who calls Celine daily to make sure she's not leaving her farm and has people who bring her groceries!

 

I'm very aware of the rules but somehow I know a couple who made it to Canada (and nothing essential)... Not too sure if they just made up some story but they made it.

Maybe Dee made it to Canada using essential travel as an excuse: "Officer, Celine needs a new bun!"

[Xpresso]

Is there any logical explanation why at this point, many fans don't join this

and stay quiet as her new album got abandoned by her?

 

I see what other fans do, and they do campaign via twitter/instegram

and they manage to influence their artist. Mariah fans called "Lambs", but they are quite of a fighters

I tell you, I wonder what name best fit to describe Celine fans with no mean to hurt anybody

Maybe Lambs are fighters but does that actually translate into major music sales/streaming for Mariah or selling out concerts? It's clear it doesn't, even if they were able to get one song to #1 on iTunes (or Amazon I can't remember). Being #1 on iTunes for a day doesn't mean much really.

[ryba]

But if it gets Celines team to release some Celine rarities, then that would be awesome

[DionFanAlways]

I'm very aware of the rules but somehow I know a couple who made it to Canada (and nothing essential)... Not too sure if they just made up some story but they made it.

Maybe Dee made it to Canada using essential travel as an excuse: "Officer, Celine needs a new bun!"

[Shaun]

Well, I, for one, as a Céline fan am pretty calm, take life as it is and don't fret over things that aren't happening. I don't care if she promotes her music. I just care that she releases it so that I can listen to it. I could not care less about YouTube streams, TikTok or whatever the hell else. There are a BUNCH of Celine fans like me. I'd actually say the majority.

 

Then you've got another large group of Celine fans. The ones who complain on here, who desperately want the summer tours and Vegas and BST released; however, once you start talking about what would actually have to be done to launch a campaign that had any hope of working, they go silent or say "I'm too busy with my life to put that much effort in."

 

There are a few fans who will created a tweet, write on Sony or Celine's official social media pages and complain that enough isn't being done. They come across as whiny children stomping their feet on the ground because Mommy isn't giving them what they want and they are completely ignored. Eventually, they turn into one of the two fans mentioned above.

 

And there are other fans, like you, who constantly suggest that those who would like to see more promo (not from Celine, but her team) or extra material released (not from Celine, but her team) are somehow "wrong."

 

There is no right or wrong. People accept that you're happy with how things are just as you need to accept that there are people with a different opinion to you instead of calling them selfish and demanding.

[mebe]

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[couldawouldashoulda]

And there are other fans, like you, who constantly suggest that those who would like to see more promo (not from Celine, but her team) or extra material released (not from Celine, but her team) are somehow "wrong."

 

There is no right or wrong. People accept that you're happy with how things are just as you need to accept that there are people with a different opinion to you instead of calling them selfish and demanding.

 

When a human being is on a 100 plus city world tour after just releasing 22 new tracks, you may not like it, but yes - it’s makes people asking for more selfish and demanding. She’s not a freaking superhero. She’s a human, she’s a mother...OF THREE - she has so many other things in her life than her music. Just because some fans having nothing better to do with their lives than consume Celine Dion doesn’t mean she should be jumping when they say jump.

[ryba]

When a human being is on a 100 plus city world tour after just releasing 22 new tracks, you may not like it, but yes - it’s makes people asking for more selfish and demanding. She’s not a freaking superhero. She’s a human, she’s a mother...OF THREE - she has so many other things in her life than her music. Just because some fans having nothing better to do with their lives than consume Celine Dion doesn’t mean she should be jumping when they say jump.

Gosh, dial it down, would you? It's cristal clear that her social media are not fulfilling their purpose, and it's her team that is responsible, not Celine herself. Understand that, instead of telling people that they have nothing better to do than consuming Celine Dion. You're obviously one of them as you post here every day... Edited August 23, 2020 at 02:41 PM by ryba

[Kyle_Jared]

On a different note, Grammy eligibility period closes soon and voting for first round nominations starts in the next month or so.

 

Do we honestly think Courage has a shot at either Best Pop Vocal Album or Pop Solo performance?

 

I wonder if they'll submit Imperfections to Pop Solo for consideration or Courage?

[couldawouldashoulda]

Gosh, dial it down, would you? It's cristal clear that her social media are not fulfilling their purpose, and it's her team that is responsible, not Celine herself. Understand that, instead of telling people that they have nothing better to do than consuming Celine Dion. You're obviously one of them as you post here every day...

 

I actually come here to read how ridiculous some people’s expectations are. It amuses me. I honestly can’t believe how people can get so much and still be so ungrateful. Sometimes I’m thoroughly shocked at people’s demands. I can’t believe it. It helps me to see and understand why the world is in the state it is in. This message board is a microcosm of the world as a whole. And it’s every message board. The Broadway world message board - just as insane. The Doctor Who message boards - worse than anything else. I could go on and on. It helps give me a balanced view of humanity rather than the intelligent, sane, reasonable people who make up my every day life.

[ryba]

I actually come here to read how ridiculous some people’s expectations are. It amuses me. I honestly can’t believe how people can get so much and still be so ungrateful. Sometimes I’m thoroughly shocked at people’s demands. I can’t believe it. It helps me to see and understand why the world is in the state it is in. This message board is a microcosm of the world as a whole. And it’s every message board. The Broadway world message board - just as insane. The Doctor Who message boards - worse than anything else. I could go on and on. It helps give me a balanced view of humanity rather than the intelligent, sane, reasonable people who make up my every day life.

LOL, alright then

[guigafs15]

 

 

Well, I, for one, as a Céline fan am pretty calm, take life as it is and don’t fret over things that aren’t happening. I don’t care if she promotes her music. I just care that she releases it so that I can listen to it. I could not care less about YouTube streams, TikTok or whatever the hell else. There are a BUNCH of Celine fans like me. I’d actually say the majority.

 

Then you’ve got another large group of Celine fans. The ones who complain on here, who desperately want the summer tours and Vegas and BST released; however, once you start talking about what would actually have to be done to launch a campaign that had any hope of working, they go silent or say “I’m too busy with my life to put that much effort in.”

 

There are a few fans who will created a tweet, write on Sony or Celine’s official social media pages and complain that enough isn’t being done. They come across as whiny children stomping their feet on the ground because Mommy isn’t giving them what they want and they are completely ignored. Eventually, they turn into one of the two fans mentioned above.

 

Well... So, you're the right and perfect human being, fount of all knowledge, and everyone who thinks different than you is whiny, lazy or idiotic.

 

Yeah, you keep on going with that narcissistic way of thinking. It makes you a horrible person but, in other hand, gives you a pretty good chance to became president of the US one day. Apparently, that's all it takes this days.🤷‍♂️

[Shaun]

I actually come here to read how ridiculous some people’s expectations are. It amuses me. I honestly can’t believe how people can get so much and still be so ungrateful. Sometimes I’m thoroughly shocked at people’s demands. I can’t believe it. It helps me to see and understand why the world is in the state it is in. This message board is a microcosm of the world as a whole. And it’s every message board. The Broadway world message board - just as insane. The Doctor Who message boards - worse than anything else. I could go on and on. It helps give me a balanced view of humanity rather than the intelligent, sane, reasonable people who make up my every day life.

 

You're here for pretty much the wrong reasons then aren't you? If you think people here are ungrateful then you're delusional. Yes I'll start name calling now too since you keep doing it. I notice you conveniently ignored the posts saying NOBODY is expecting Celine herself to do ANYTHING!

 

Celine, as you rightly point out, is in the midst of a world tour. Of course no-one's expecting her to do a thing other than perform the shows. Which, by the way, we pretty much all have tickets for.

 

Expecting her "team" though to continue to promote her and maybe release extra content.....? Yeah, you're right. How ridiculous.

[sarit_celine]

Well, I, for one, as a Céline fan am pretty calm, take life as it is and don't fret over things that aren't happening. I don't care if she promotes her music. I just care that she releases it so that I can listen to it. I could not care less about YouTube streams, TikTok or whatever the hell else. There are a BUNCH of Celine fans like me. I'd actually say the majority.

 

Then you've got another large group of Celine fans. The ones who complain on here, who desperately want the summer tours and Vegas and BST released; however, once you start talking about what would actually have to be done to launch a campaign that had any hope of working, they go silent or say "I'm too busy with my life to put that much effort in."

 

There are a few fans who will created a tweet, write on Sony or Celine's official social media pages and complain that enough isn't being done. They come across as whiny children stomping their feet on the ground because Mommy isn't giving them what they want and they are completely ignored. Eventually, they turn into one of the two fans mentioned above.

 

"The two fans mentioned above". You're something special, her musical career is sninking down and you try to paint

everything in pink colors. If you take this caring of fans for her and to her career only for whining,

you should make a reality check. She went ahead and record an album and she said she poured

her heart into it, but in reality she did everything to destroy it.

And yes she is part of it too, she always says that she is the Boss and she call the shoots.

TC sucks, but they're not the only one in that story. There are veteran artists out there, that treat their work

with respect.

 

And please don't come with the family thing, because for fashion shows she was there for day and night

fully dedicated herself to that, while a new song was out and got the worst promo ever. If not for the bounding I'm afraid to think

what position Courage would had achieved, and yet, people will remember the negative historic record

of Courage falling down from charts only after one week. If you think that won't impact her next album English

you live in denial. And in the near future tour selling tickets

won't be that great, oh let's not forget how many tickets were given away in a ridiculous price

because they had to fill in seats, also for the festivals she planned to make.

 

I know that you don't care that her career is falling apart, I hope other lots

will do care, because she has a talent of none.

[sarit_celine]

Maybe Lambs are fighters but does that actually translate into major music sales/streaming for Mariah or selling out concerts? It's clear it doesn't, even if they were able to get one song to #1 on iTunes (or Amazon I can't remember). Being #1 on iTunes for a day doesn't mean much really.

 

Honestly I didn't follow Mariah while she was on Tour, only started in the last two weeks or so, so I have no idea how it went for her with tour sells or album sells, but following more now, her new single doing pretty well, her Christmas album did pretty

well while Courage was out And if she is still relevant? Oh yes, and we know that for veteran artists they will never be able to produce those high records of sells again, but I think she does gain respect from the general public mostly as an artist, and that's quite nice to see

that as a veteran artist she is still keep pushing and treating her work with respect, having small kids on her side with passion, being creative etc.

[Céline RO]

Honestly I didn't follow Mariah while she was on Tour, only started in the last two weeks or so, so I have no idea how it went for her with tour sells or album sells, but following more now, her new single doing pretty well, her Christmas album did pretty

well while Courage was out And if she is still relevant? Oh yes, and we know that for veteran artists they will never be able to produce those high records of sells again, but I think she does gain respect from the general public mostly as an artist, and that's quite nice to see

that as a veteran artist she is still keep pushing and treating her work with respect, having small kids on her side with passion, being creative etc.

 

I thought we all agreed by now but I’ll say it again: Mariah is nowhere near Céline when it comes to commercial success and being relevant these days. Not in album sales, not in streaming and certainly not in touring. Yes, she’s more involved than Céline in her career but when you look at the bigger picture, it’s a whole different story. Even with perhaps the worst team in the world, the numbers are clearly on Céline’s side.

[comingback]

Relax Guys.

Firstly, I respect Mariah and I was a fan in the 90s, but her voice is gone. And yes, it's amazing how she promotes her (old) music and treats her fans.

Secondly, we don't know what's going on in Celine's Team, but she needs a new one and I hope she realises that. So I hope for the best for the next months.

 

Hopefully, they (TC) read that forum.

Edited August 23, 2020 at 04:29 PM by comingback

[sarit_celine]

I thought we all agreed by now but I’ll say it again: Mariah is nowhere near Céline when it comes to commercial success and being relevant these days. Not in album sales, not in streaming and certainly not in touring. Yes, she’s more involved than Céline in her career but when you look at the bigger picture, it’s a whole different story. Even with perhaps the worst team in the world, the numbers are clearly on Céline’s side.

 

Where did I write that she is doing better than Celine? It was only impressive to see that by clever promotion

they managed to bring MC's Christmas album to top charts, against new recent albums

but my point is that the actual abandonment of Celine career

will have its own impacts for the long term on her English career and ticket sells

and that's pity because I do think she pulled out a pretty decent work

lots better than LMBTL. During these last months it's just amazing they couldn't step foward with one valuable

stuff that has to do with her recent work. To bring back Courage to life

When the general public thinks about Celine he can only think of "that singer of the titanic"

but she has so much more to offer, she is not a retired singer, but acts like that.

[sarit_celine]

Relax Guys.

Firstly, I respect Mariah and I was a fan in the 90s, but her voice is gone. And yes, it's amazing how she promotes her (old) music and treats her fans.

Secondly, we don't know what's going on in Celine's Team, but she needs a new one and I hope she realises that. So I hope for the best for the next months.

 

Hopefully, they (TC) read that forum.

 

 

Based on the last year, she doesn't have any team, I have no idea who and what handling her accounts

they do all the possible mistakes when it comes to promotion-wise, same for the Tour.

 

And as for Mariah, she lost her voice for sure, but still manages now

to have a new Top10. I'm not here to talk about MC, but seeing how easy it with today platforms

to still maintain in the public eye and for free... one can only learn from her.

[Ukrfan]

Has she ever had a bigger per show gross rate than that?

 

Yes, it is not even that high.

 

She grossed $280 million with 132 shows during TCWT, which translates into an average of $2.12 milllion per concert. Pretty much the same number, but it was an over a decade ago. $2.12 million then was more than $2.12 million now.

 

Lol @ Madonna's figures though... she'd always have $3 to $4 million per show, and now $700k. I understand is that she did a theathers tour on purpose, but it is still so unusual for her.

[Xpresso]

Based on the last year, she doesn't have any team, I have no idea who and what handling her accounts

they do all the possible mistakes when it comes to promotion-wise, same for the Tour.

 

And as for Mariah, she lost her voice for sure, but still manages now

to have a new Top10. I'm not here to talk about MC, but seeing how easy it with today platforms

to still maintain in the public eye and for free... one can only learn from her.

A top 10 on iTunes is really not a big deal. Even Celine manages to get that!

[comingback]

 

 

Yes, it is not even that high.

 

She grossed $280 million with 132 shows during TCWT, which translates into an average of $2.12 milllion per concert. Pretty much the same number, but it was an over a decade ago. $2.12 million then was more than $2.12 million now.

 

Lol @ Madonna's figures though... she'd always have $3 to $4 million per show, and now $700k. I understand is that she did a theathers tour on purpose, but it is still so unusual for her.

 

Poor Madonna. What's up with her? She was booed at her tour in Vegas and Paris!!! Can you imagine that?

Edited August 23, 2020 at 05:37 PM by comingback

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

You're here for pretty much the wrong reasons then aren't you? If you think people here are ungrateful then you're delusional. Yes I'll start name calling now too since you keep doing it. I notice you conveniently ignored the posts saying NOBODY is expecting Celine herself to do ANYTHING!

 

Celine, as you rightly point out, is in the midst of a world tour. Of course no-one's expecting her to do a thing other than perform the shows. Which, by the way, we pretty much all have tickets for.

 

Expecting her "team" though to continue to promote her and maybe release extra content.....? Yeah, you're right. How ridiculous.

 

Who, exactly, is this “team?” No one seems to have an answer for that. So who are you mad at? Who are you frustrated with it? Who makes up Celine’s “team?” If you can figure that out, you can then come up with a plan for all these fans who are so upset about the way things are going. But whenever someone tries to go that far, that’s when people go “Oh, well, I don’t have time to dig that deep.” Or “I’m super busy right now but I really really hate what’s happening.” It’s just mindless bitchy and whining. It’s doing nothing productive to create change.

 

So prove me wrong. Someone, ANYONE, come up with a detailed plan to change things and then put that plan into action. Actually, you know, DO SOMETHING!!!!!

[ryba]

Who, exactly, is this "team?" No one seems to have an answer for that. So who are you mad at? Who are you frustrated with it? Who makes up Celine's "team?" If you can figure that out, you can then come up with a plan for all these fans who are so upset about the way things are going. But whenever someone tries to go that far, that's when people go "Oh, well, I don't have time to dig that deep." Or "I'm super busy right now but I really really hate what's happening." It's just mindless bitchy and whining. It's doing nothing productive to create change.

 

So prove me wrong. Someone, ANYONE, come up with a detailed plan to change things and then put that plan into action. Actually, you know, DO SOMETHING!!!!!

first, obviously there are people that work for her and are in change of her accounts, so she does have a team (an intelligent person like you should be able to think that far...). Secondly, if you claim to be so much more intelligent than all of the other members here, why don't you come up with a plan? Instead you come here and only belittle and degrade everybody else in a highly disrespectful manner. Edited August 23, 2020 at 05:43 PM by ryba