"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Shaun]

Who, exactly, is this "team?" No one seems to have an answer for that. So who are you mad at? Who are you frustrated with it? Who makes up Celine's "team?" If you can figure that out, you can then come up with a plan for all these fans who are so upset about the way things are going. But whenever someone tries to go that far, that's when people go "Oh, well, I don't have time to dig that deep." Or "I'm super busy right now but I really really hate what's happening." It's just mindless bitchy and whining. It's doing nothing productive to create change.

 

So prove me wrong. Someone, ANYONE, come up with a detailed plan to change things and then put that plan into action. Actually, you know, DO SOMETHING!!!!!

 

You really don't understand that every artist has a "team" behind them? Come on, nice try.

 

Celine's A&R (artists and repertoire) team at her record company- just like the A&R team for any artist at any record company - are responsible for overseeing the recording process and assisting with marketing and promotion and deciding upon releases. From Elvis to Madonna, Celine to Mariah, Shania to Michael Jackson, these artists don't (or didn't) just do all the promotion and decide what to release themselves. Do you honestly think they did?

 

Of course they all have a team behind them. What part of this do you fail to understand?

 

It's not the fans job to "DO SOMETHING." It's the teams responsibilty.

 

Still need it explained?

[couldawouldashoulda]

first, obviously there are people that work for her and are in change of her accounts, so she does have a team (an intelligent person like you should be able to think that far...). Secondly, if you claim to be so much more intelligent than all of the other members here, why don't you come up with a plan? Instead you come here and only belittle and degrade everybody else in a highly disrespectful manner.

 

I don’t care about creating a plan. If you’ve read my posts, I’m perfectly fine with the state of things. We just got 22 new songs. 22!!!!!!!! And she embarked on a world tour after 3 straight years of Vegas and summer tours after mourning the loss of the love of her life. I think she should be sitting on her butt right now, drinking wine, doing ballet with Pepe, enjoying her life and not doing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with music. She’s earned a year long break that isn’t for birthing babies or crying her freaking eyes out.

[couldawouldashoulda]

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You really don't understand that every artist has a "team" behind them? Come on, nice try.

 

Celine's A&R (artists and repertoire) team at her record company- just like the A&R team for any artist at any record company - are responsible for overseeing the recording process and assisting with marketing and promotion and deciding upon releases. From Elvis to Madonna, Celine to Mariah, Shania to Michael Jackson, these artists don't (or didn't) just do all the promotion and decide what to release themselves. Do you honestly think they did?

 

Of course they all have a team behind them. What part of this do you fail to understand?

 

It's not the fans job to "DO SOMETHING." It's the teams responsibilty.

 

Still need it explained?

 

Yes. First, you’re proving my point by being so dim as to not get my point. Who is her “team?” No one here has names. No one knows who her actual team is. So if you don’t know who’s job it is to take care of things, who is there to be angry at? You’re screaming into a void. So figure out who’s in charge of doing the things you want done and create a plan to ask them to release the things you want released. Are you so thick you can’t understand?!

Edited August 23, 2020 at 05:52 PM by couldawouldashoulda

[ryba]

I don’t care about creating a plan. If you’ve read my posts, I’m perfectly fine with the state of things. We just got 22 new songs. 22!!!!!!!! And she embarked on a world tour after 3 straight years of Vegas and summer tours after mourning the loss of the love of her life. I think she should be sitting on her butt right now, drinking wine, doing ballet with Pepe, enjoying her life and not doing ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with music. She’s earned a year long break that isn’t for birthing babies or crying her freaking eyes out.

but once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with her, but her promotion team. But anyway, this discussion is really pointless. Have a good day everyone Edited August 23, 2020 at 05:53 PM by ryba

[couldawouldashoulda]

but once again, it has absolutely nothing to do with her, but her promotion team.

 

And who, specifically, is her “promotion team?” That’s what no one seems to know. Once you can figure out who that is, you can target those people. But just writing on her social media posts is absolutely freaking pointless.

[Shaun]

Yes. First, you’re proving my point by being so dim as to not get my point. Who is her “team?” No one here has names. No one knows who her actual team is. So if you don’t know who’s job it is to take care of things, who is there to be angry at? You’re screaming into a void. So figure out who’s in charge of doing the things you want done and create a plan to ask them to release the things you want released. Are you so thick you can’t understand?!

 

It's the responsibility of the A&R team. I literally explained this to you in the post you've quoted.

 

If I didn't like the Big Mac in my local McDonalds, I complain to the manager. I don't need to know his name.

 

I won't lower myself to calling you more names just like you're doing to myself and other members.

[couldawouldashoulda]

It's the responsibility of the A&R team. I literally explained this to you in the post you've quoted.

 

If I didn't like the Big Mac in my local McDonalds, I complain to the manager. I don't need to know his name.

 

I won't lower myself to calling you more names just like you're doing to myself and other members.

 

Who are the specific people of her A&R team? You don’t know, do you? So how can you make any progress in an effort to get these tours released or music videos released? You have no specific person to target.

 

I’m gonna bow out of this conversation now. You all just. Don’t. Get. It.

 

Keep bitching and whining and moaning for the next 10 years while nothing changes. I’m gonna go listen to the glorious album that is Courage - WHICH ISN’T EVEN ONE YEAR OLD AND YET PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY DEMANDING OTHER THINGS GET RELEASED. Greedy, selfish entitled babies. Bye, gurl, bye.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Ah...the ignore feature. Makes life so much better. You might try it.

[Shaun]

I’m gonna bow out of this conversation now.

 

:lolwave: :lolwave:

 

[guigafs15]

 

 

Poor Madonna. What's up with her? She was booed at her tour in Vegas and Paris!!! Can you imagine that?

 

It's not that bad. Her tour was all sold out and with really high prices for ticket. But it was on theaters. So there's no way to be more than that. Plus, she was booed not for the show but for being too late, what is disrespectful but in her case understandable. Madonna is old, very injured. Spend the whole tour suffering for terrible pains, cancelled a lot of dates for it. She needed almost 6 hours of treatment every day just to get up on the stage. It's pretty remarkable, actually.

 

And she proved that this premise that old artists can only do greatest hits tour it's bullshit. She sang more than half of her new songs, got great reviews and sell out. She always focus on the new material on her tours and she is to this day the most tour selling female artist.

[ryba]

It's not that bad. Her tour was all sold out and with really high prices for ticket. But it was on theaters. So there's no way to be more than that. Plus, she was booed not for the show but for being too late, what is disrespectful but in her case understandable. Madonna is old, very injured. Spend the whole tour suffering for terrible pains, cancelled a lot of dates for it. She needed almost 6 hours of treatment every day just to get up on the stage. It's pretty remarkable, actually.

 

And she proved that this premise that old artists can only do greatest hits tour it's bullshit. She sang more than half of her new songs, got great reviews and sell out. She always focus on the new material on her tours and she is to this day the most tour selling female artist.

why did she opt for a theatre tour?

[guigafs15]

why did she opt for a theatre tour?

 

Probably because of her illness. She can't do what she used to do anymore. That elaborate dances, even walking on a big stage for 2 hours can be pretty hurtful. She needed a smaller stage, with a different concept of a show, more theatrical and less movement. Also it help her to travel less. Was almost like a mini residency in every city.

 

She is old. As Celine and Mariah, who over used their voices and now struggles to maintain as they got older, Madonna over used her body, dancing non stop, and now is also paying the price.

[Alex_Incognito]

 

 

Probably because of her illness. She can't do what she used to do anymore. That elaborate dances, even walking on a big stage for 2 hours can be pretty hurtful. She needed a smaller stage, with a different concept of a show, more theatrical and less movement. Also it help her to travel less. Was almost like a mini residency in every city.

 

She is old. As Celine and Mariah, who over used their voices and now struggles to maintain as they got older, Madonna over used her body, dancing non stop, and now is also paying the price.

That is absurd. She didn’t get hurt until during the tour. It was designed to be a small theatre show. She wanted to connect to her audience. It was a great show.

[Céline RO]

Has she ever had a bigger per show gross rate than that?

Yes, it is not even that high.

 

She grossed $280 million with 132 shows during TCWT, which translates into an average of $2.12 milllion per concert. Pretty much the same number, but it was an over a decade ago. $2.12 million then was more than $2.12 million now.

 

Lol @ Madonna's figures though... she'd always have $3 to $4 million per show, and now $700k. I understand is that she did a theathers tour on purpose, but it is still so unusual for her.

 

Let’s not forget the 2018 tour which grossed an average of $2.57 million per show or the 2017 tour which was $2.53 million per show. However, I think the highest figure was $2.78 million per show on the 2013 tour (and that was in 2013 dollars!).

[PuraVida]

Yes, it is not even that high.

 

She grossed $280 million with 132 shows during TCWT, which translates into an average of $2.12 milllion per concert. Pretty much the same number, but it was an over a decade ago. $2.12 million then was more than $2.12 million now.

 

Lol @ Madonna's figures though... she'd always have $3 to $4 million per show, and now $700k. I understand is that she did a theathers tour on purpose, but it is still so unusual for her.

 

So her ticket costs went down? Or is it just less in "real dollars"

[Ukrfan]

Let’s not forget the 2018 tour which grossed an average of $2.57 million per show or the 2017 tour which was $2.53 million per show. However, I think the highest figure was $2.78 million per show on the 2013 tour (and that was in 2013 dollars!).

 

You are right, that is why I said it wasn't even that high.

 

However, her attendance during the 2018 tour was really low, so I guess the tickets were expensive as f*** Okay, tickets in Australia, NZ, and Singapore are always very expensive due to high living standards, but $250 on average for a ticker in the Phillipines and Thailand, both of which are developing countries

 

It was also around $2.5 million per concert for the 2017 tour, but she did bigger arenas and stadiums.

 

In 2013, the sample was very small, but yeah, it was her even higher.

 

So, I guess her attendance is lower for CWT than for TCWT due to the nature of the stage, but ticket prices are higher.

[Ukrfan]

So her ticket costs went down? Or is it just less in "real dollars"

 

I need to look into it, but I think her attendance went down. She used a round stage in TCWT which would allow more people to be present. Also, in TCWT, she had a few stadiums.

 

I really doubt her ticker prices are lower than 12 years ago, it should definetely be the other way round due to inflation and concert industry in general.

[wjd]

Over $2m per show for an arena tour in the US is fantastic, when you consider just how many shows she played.

[manu23]

 

 

Yes, it is not even that high.

 

She grossed $280 million with 132 shows during TCWT, which translates into an average of $2.12 milllion per concert. Pretty much the same number, but it was an over a decade ago. $2.12 million then was more than $2.12 million now.

 

Lol @ Madonna's figures though... she'd always have $3 to $4 million per show, and now $700k. I understand is that she did a theathers tour on purpose, but it is still so unusual for her.

 

Courage tour avg. will increase with the European dates (if they ever happen)

[weasley123]

 

 

When a human being is on a 100 plus city world tour after just releasing 22 new tracks, you may not like it, but yes - it’s makes people asking for more selfish and demanding. She’s not a freaking superhero. She’s a human, she’s a mother...OF THREE - she has so many other things in her life than her music. Just because some fans having nothing better to do with their lives than consume Celine Dion doesn’t mean she should be jumping when they say jump.

 

Lol. Stop dramatize it. It’s not like she do that 100 plus city world tour for charity and for free. Millions of fans pay hundred of bucks to see her concert. It is a two way relationship. It’s not like she stay in a cheap hotel or sit in cheap airplane seat during the tour. It’s not like she can’t have life outside her music world like being a mom yada yada yada. She just need a good management to do all of that. It’s about how her management team failed to arrange her promotion properly. You need to stop dramatize her life as if she never have a life outside her career as singer. Geez.

[mebe]

What is that?

https://twitter.com/NEWSCELINEDION/status/1297581974555627520?s=19

 

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[beelee]

Apple Music just uploaded this video to YouTube today:

 

 

I actually hadn’t watched it before so this was a nice surprise.

 

I wonder why they uploaded it now.

Edited August 24, 2020 at 03:30 AM by beelee

[comingback]

 

 

She picks her own apples/tomatoes.

 

Maybe sth. on Apple music: a streaming concert, new music

 

I was right, they uploaded an Apple music video 🙂. Maybe we will get a full docu.

Edited August 24, 2020 at 03:49 AM by comingback

[weasley123]

What is that?

https://twitter.com/NEWSCELINEDION/status/1297581974555627520?s=19

 

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If it’s really a teaser of something, it once again proves that her team know nothing about promo and how to tease. Why can’t her official account give any teaser like that? LOL.

 

Btw ‘Can you keep a secret?’ is the first line of If Walls Could Talk, which ironically she never perform live.

[browseceline]

This is an old video! Nice images but more like a fasionvideo - anyway - give us behind the scenes, recording the album, interviews with the songwriters etc.

 

 

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[Xpresso]

It's not that bad. Her tour was all sold out and with really high prices for ticket. But it was on theaters. So there's no way to be more than that. Plus, she was booed not for the show but for being too late, what is disrespectful but in her case understandable. Madonna is old, very injured. Spend the whole tour suffering for terrible pains, cancelled a lot of dates for it. She needed almost 6 hours of treatment every day just to get up on the stage. It's pretty remarkable, actually.

 

And she proved that this premise that old artists can only do greatest hits tour it's bullshit. She sang more than half of her new songs, got great reviews and sell out. She always focus on the new material on her tours and she is to this day the most tour selling female artist.

When she was younger and not injured, she was also always very late. This is nothing new. And she's not that old. If she needs 6 hours of treatment, she just has to make sure she gets the treatment at least 7 hours before the shows... or just cancel the entire tour.

Could she be touring just for the money?

[stevo]

Goodness. Some things never change, eh? Haha

 

Hello everyone 🙋🏻‍♂️

 

Oh aren’t we in a dilemma. Everything seemed off from the launch of Courage. The build up was fantastic, the hype was there, the industry was excited and then she got sick. Repeatedly. Weeks of promo in the US & UK cancelled and postponed shows to catch up on. Maman Dion died. A worldwide pandemic.

 

The thing I have learnt over the last year comes down to one word- acceptance. Where we are now, is where we are. You can’t change it by moaning and saying coulda woulda shoulda, but I didnt do that...Courage got to number one (because of ticket bundles) and then vanished. But you know what- we got 22 epic, amazing, beautiful, Céline-is-modern-relevant-strong-powerful songs.

 

Yes her team were and are hideously terrible, yes I’ll scream if I see another picture of her picking apples taken by Dee the Hairdresser who can only rake her hair into a rotten bun (hello, L’Oreal Ambassador!?)

 

But really does anyone outside of this 100 people on the forum care if Céline streams a million songs in a week or gets to number one on iTunes? No no no. Does anyone care outside of Mariah’s Please Silence Those Lambs if an old single gets to number one? It might make a crap article on some crap entertainment website. But it matters not.

 

I for one would be terrified of Céline releasing a ‘Rarities’ album because the s*** storm on the forum about why this and that wasn’t or was on there and why Ashes isn’t on there and why Love Lights Up The World is from that performance and not that performance...

 

I hope you all are Covid unaffected and safe. May the apples give you peace.

[Shamrock_1982]

Lol I missed you on here mate

[sarit_celine]

Guys, on what day it will be good to try and start this online platforms campaign? Let's say two weeks from now?

 

I have a title for an image "Celine have the Courage to sing Courage (songs)"

 

Or to play with the word Encourge and Courage: "Celine be enouraged, you have an amazing album Courage"

 

What do you think? Then we have to have some short lines that will appear on an image that everyone

can take and will share it on the same - adding hastag. I see many artists pulling out wonderful things

for their fans, I don't see why it has to be different with Celine.

 

#LongliveCourage

[sarit_celine]

This is an old video! Nice images but more like a fasionvideo - anyway - give us behind the scenes, recording the album, interviews with the songwriters etc.

 

 

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Maybe they are holding on for 2021 with the full documentary