"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

I think you are dreaming. Her peak has passed, no matter who manages her. Very little radio support and not enough streaming. Not a good combination to rule the charts. Celine is smart that way and knows how things work and she is not chasing to rule the world. She'd rather be having a good time and enjoying her life (and do what she wants when she wants to).

Can't say she's wrong. She's been there and done that already! Time to enjoy!

Yes, she chose to slow down and enjoy. But my point is that she could if she wanted to. A huge rise in popularity happened starting in 2016, and with Courage she could even top that and have another peak. But the promotion was handled very poorly and insufficiently. Edited May 28, 2020 at 09:00 AM by ryba

[ryba]

I think you are dreaming. Her peak has passed, no matter who manages her. Very little radio support and not enough streaming. Not a good combination to rule the charts. Celine is smart that way and knows how things work and she is not chasing to rule the world. She'd rather be having a good time and enjoying her life (and do what she wants when she wants to).

Can't say she's wrong. She's been there and done that already! Time to enjoy!

Yes, she chose to slow down and enjoy. But my point is that a huge rise in popularity happened starting in 2016, and with Courage she could even top that and have another peak. But the promotion was handled very poorly and insufficiently.

[Davey84]

Yes, she chose to slow down and enjoy. But my point is that a huge rise in popularity happened starting in 2016, and with Courage she could even top that and have another peak. But the promotion was handled very poorly and insufficiently.

 

well like you said… starting in 2016... the album came at least 2 years too late! IMO they should have focussed on finishing and promoting the new English album instead of an Asian/Pacific tour in 2018. It would have been awesome if they could have released a strong lead single in 2017 or 2018. But by 2019 the momentum had passed.

 

And of course it was too bad Céline got ill when the Courage promoting was slated, but the Courage tour started way too early. She should have promoted the album for a good 3 months before going on a world tour.

 

It's such a shame cos Courage is a great album IMO, but if you don't perform the songs on TV (or even on the tour with the same title

, people ain't gonna know about them!

[jpatdeleon09]

They should do what they did before. Release an album. Promote. Then, world tour. So, people can have the time to listen to the album and know what are the fans favorites from this new album so they can include it on the setlist. So, they have the time to make visuals for that song too! You know! Not being in a rush. Edited May 28, 2020 at 10:17 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Xpresso]

Yes, she chose to slow down and enjoy. But my point is that a huge rise in popularity happened starting in 2016, and with Courage she could even top that and have another peak. But the promotion was handled very poorly and insufficiently.

I agree with the rise in popularity but that's not enough to rule the charts. And I think that happened due to her fashion frenzy and not really because of her music unfortunately. Maybe her and her team have learned something for the next album... promote and tour and not the other way around.

[joaofilho]

Her music will not reach the top, unfortunately, unless she goes on diets with younger people like Ariana Grande or some K-Pop phenomenon like Black Pink.

And I still think she should seek partnerships with some of the best known producers like Bruno Mars, One republic, a duet with COldplay who knows.

I still think the Coldplay Princess of Chine song was supposed to be with Celine and not Rihanna.

[comingback]

Since her babybreak 20 years ago, the industry changed so much. The rise of the internet and the start of the music download/streaming. Rene was a smart man, because the Vegas deal,if you liked it or not,was a smart move.

The comeback with ANDHC/OH was sucessful, but the 90s sale-period was over and wrong single choices did their rest. After her long Vegas run and the return with TC, she lost her charts power. For the average audience, which grew up with Celine, it was too edgy, They wanted their ballad Celine. And with LMBTL they had no real album concept (only the first half is great) and the single wasn't embraced and supported by the radio stations. It was sad, because the song is amazing.

After six years of waiting for a new English album, many people did't know there is a new album out or simply did't like the new style (too much autotuned, bad pronunciation). The result were bad sales.

I really hope, that Celine takes a rest and enjoys her life. Maybe in the near future she can deliver a great English album again, if the album-concept still exists.

Edited May 28, 2020 at 04:02 PM by comingback

[Xpresso]

Even when older artists do a lot of promotion, it doesn't translate into sales anymore... (Madonna, Mariah, etc.)

Courage is at over 600k so far which is actually not that bad really. Times change!

[CelinesDIVO5]

Since her babybreak 20 years ago, the industry changed so much. The rise of the internet and the start of the music download/streaming. Rene was a smart man, because the Vegas deal,if you liked it or not,was a smart move.

The comeback with ANDHC/OH was sucessful, but the 90s sale-period was over and wrong single choices did their rest. After her long Vegas run and the return with TC, she lost her charts power. For the average audience, which grew up with Celine, it was too edgy, They wanted their ballad Celine. And with LMBTL they had no real album concept (only the first half is great) and the single wasn't embraced and supported by the radio stations. It was sad, because the song is amazing.

After six years of waiting for a new English album, many people did't know there is a new album out or simply did't like the new style (too much autotuned, bad pronunciation). The result were bad sales.

I really hope, that Celine takes a rest and enjoys her life. Maybe in the near future she can deliver a great English album again, if the album-concept still exists.

 

I’d like to respectfully point out that your information about LMBTL is incorrect. The song wasn’t not supported by radios for any other reason than the fact that Sony did not distribute the song for radio AirPlay. They had a terrible marketing plan for the single. Promo for the album however, was stellar and gaining some good steam with Celine’s talk show appearances, The Voice and “A Hope For The Holidays” tv special. René got sick, and it halted any other promo they were planning to do. LMBTL album would have performed better had they not hit such an unfortunate road block.

[Del]

 

well like you said… starting in 2016... the album came at least 2 years too late! IMO they should have focussed on finishing and promoting the new English album instead of an Asian/Pacific tour in 2018. It would have been awesome if they could have released a strong lead single in 2017 or 2018. But by 2019 the momentum had passed.

 

And of course it was too bad Céline got ill when the Courage promoting was slated, but the Courage tour started way too early. She should have promoted the album for a good 3 months before going on a world tour.

 

It's such a shame cos Courage is a great album IMO, but if you don't perform the songs on TV (or even on the tour with the same title

, people ain't gonna know about them!

I'm gonna be selfish and say the Courage Tour started at exactly the right time. Front row on my Birthday might have swayed my decision know this one... just saying. Haha

 

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[jpatdeleon09]

I like how they promote their new song.. they were so active in promoting their new music. Creative! Creative teams do they exists on Céline’s team?

 

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[Xpresso]

Can you imagine Celine doing something like that? Looks so desperate...

[PuraVida]

I agree with the rise in popularity but that's not enough to rule the charts. And I think that happened due to her fashion frenzy and not really because of her music unfortunately. Maybe her and her team have learned something for the next album... promote and tour and not the other way around.

 

Well her image changed, and that makes it more socially acceptable and even cool for stations to play her music and for people to listen. I don’t think it matters that her profile rose because of fashion. But it also rose because of her high profile performances in 2016-2016-2017...

 

And even if she wouldn’t “rule” the charts, she could still have had a #1 album for a bit longer and possible some top 10 songs. I would’ve rather had her have her songs hit tens of millions of views than chart tbh.

[PuraVida]

Can you imagine Celine doing something like that? Looks so desperate...

 

It’s tongue-in-cheek. She has been tongue in cheek with Deadpool

[smw]

Hopefully Celine's team will learn some new tricks by watching how Lady Gaga goes about promoting her new album (even during a virus outbreak!)

 

I can see Celine watching Lady Gaga's social media game and being like, "Ohhhhhhhhh......"

 

Who knows! It might even inspire and spark a new fire for another round of Courage promo?!!! Or at least inspire Celine and her team for future projects. Celine and Rene were the perfect pairing to achieve monumental success in the 90s and she will ALWAYS have that iconic status. She just has to try new tactics now to get her new music noticed. Same with Madonna, etc. etc.

 

Regardless -- Courage is a phenomenal album, and I'm very thankful for it.

[jpatdeleon09]

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Can you imagine Celine doing something like that? Looks so desperate...

 

Actually, it looks fun and I think she will enjoy these kind of promotion lol Maybe céline will play with fire in order to do that you need Courage hahahahahasdervhkhcc

Edited May 29, 2020 at 07:01 AM by jpatdeleon09

[DionFanAlways]

Can you imagine Celine doing something like that? Looks so desperate...

If you mean silly and playful like a skit, then, yes, I do not see Celine doing something like this. This clip reminds me of a skit. I wouldn't say desperate but just simply out there promoting their product. I would love to see Celine loosen up in a video not in this context but just loosen up.

 

Btw, this song is not to my taste. I like Gaga but am not a fan of Ariana.

Edited May 29, 2020 at 10:10 AM by DionFanAlways

[jpatdeleon09]

BTW, Gaga’s new album didn’t ever leaked before the release date. Amazing team!

[browseceline]

Hopefully Celine's team will learn some new tricks by watching how Lady Gaga goes about promoting her new album (even during a virus outbreak!)

 

I can see Celine watching Lady Gaga's social media game and being like, "Ohhhhhhhhh......"

 

Who knows! It might even inspire and spark a new fire for another round of Courage promo?!!! Or at least inspire Celine and her team for future projects. Celine and Rene were the perfect pairing to achieve monumental success in the 90s and she will ALWAYS have that iconic status. She just has to try new tactics now to get her new music noticed. Same with Madonna, etc. etc.

 

Regardless -- Courage is a phenomenal album, and I'm very thankful for it.

Gaga releases extravagant photos the whole time. Great ones. Celine as a fashionlover could do that too and promote her album

 

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[Ukrfan]

Remember this? :clap:

She can surprise us when she wants.

[AdrienneM]

BTW, Gaga’s new album didn’t ever leaked before the release date. Amazing team!

 

Both Rain on Me and Stupid Love leaked weeks before release. And 3 ways before the release date literally every song was available for illegal download because someone had stolen a copy early

[pat200]

Both Rain on Me and Stupid Love leaked weeks before release. And 3 ways before the release date literally every song was available for illegal download because someone had stolen a copy early

 

also not to mention the 2 songs out now are so generic, outdated and feel amateurish for me.

[browseceline]

 

also not to mention the 2 songs out now are so generic, outdated and feel amateurish for me.

I am not feeling rain on me...the refrain def does sound like a typical generic popsong. Have to say it is a great videoclip though!

 

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Edited May 29, 2020 at 07:09 PM by browseceline

[jpatdeleon09]

Both Rain on Me and Stupid Love leaked weeks before release. And 3 ways before the release date literally every song was available for illegal download because someone had stolen a copy early

 

Really? I never heard any of the leaks until the day they release Rain On Me.

[jpatdeleon09]

I actually like the song (Rain on me) also the music video. It’s entertaining. I like the steps lol Edited May 29, 2020 at 07:33 PM by jpatdeleon09

[PuraVida]

I smell a triple collab coming on...

 

“Rain On Me, Tax It’s Inevitable”

[ryba]

I don’t think that Gagas new album is as strong as The Fame Monster or Born This Way. Some tracks are ok, but in general, it’s very forgettable and for me, there's not a single wow song. I quite enjoy 1000 Doves though.

[Xpresso]

If you mean silly and playful like a skit, then, yes, I do not see Celine doing something like this. This clip reminds me of a skit. I wouldn't say desperate but just simply out there promoting their product. I would love to see Celine loosen up in a video not in this context but just loosen up.

 

Btw, this song is not to my taste. I like Gaga but am not a fan of Ariana.

I really meant desperate. I agree, Celine would never do something like that. She did loosen up in the Did You Give Enough Love video, Love Can Move Mountain video and when sitting on the motorbike in the Taking Chances video. Oh, and when she was spinning on her chair in the That's The Way It Is video...

And then she really loosens up for anything that's fashion related (like that fun fashion clip she did in Paris and chewed on the head of a mannequin.)

[DionFanAlways]

I really meant desperate. I agree, Celine would never do something like that. She did loosen up in the Did You Give Enough Love video, Love Can Move Mountain video and when sitting on the motorbike in the Taking Chances video. Oh, and when she was spinning on her chair in the That's The Way It Is video...

And then she really loosens up for anything that's fashion related (like that fun fashion clip she did in Paris and chewed on the head of a mannequin.)

Hehe, I love ya Xpresso! Yes, The Vogue clip, loved it! That's why I say they should direct her mv's, lol!

I know fashion is where her heart is now but her peacocking outside of hotels like a model in "fashion", some to my taste and others meh, just make me want to take a break. So I do.

[Bruno Portugal]

The big questions right now are these:

 

The world is going through a pandemic, with millions of people confined to their homes, right?

 

The Courage album is fabulous, it was very well received by critics and fans, but it doesn't seem to have reached the general public, right?

 

Of the entire album, in addition to the 2 music videos already released, there are songs that stand out in terms of reviews ands views on YouTube, Spotify, etc. I mean Lying Down, Lovers Never Die or Heart of Glass, right?

 

We all know that the music video for Lying Down was filmed 8 months ago and has an innovative concept for Celine, right?

 

We all know that we’ll get no large concerts and tours soon, right?

 

SO.... what is Sony Music and Celine’s team doing? There is a huge potential that is being lost!

It is time to promote the album and try to sell more copies and win prizes with it!

 

7.5M views

 

1.1M views

 

800K views

 

I simply don’t get it...

What are they doing?