"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Xpresso]

The big questions right now are these:

 

The world is going through a pandemic, with millions of people confined to their homes, right?

 

The Courage album is fabulous, it was very well received by critics and fans, but it doesn't seem to have reached the general public, right?

 

Of the entire album, in addition to the 2 music videos already released, there are songs that stand out in terms of reviews ands views on YouTube, Spotify, etc. I mean Lying Down, Lovers Never Die or Heart of Glass, right?

 

We all know that the music video for Lying Down was filmed 8 months ago and has an innovative concept for Celine, right?

 

We all know that we'll get no large concerts and tours soon, right?

 

SO.... what is Sony Music and Celine's team doing? There is a huge potential that is being lost!

It is time to promote the album and try to sell more copies and win prizes with it!

 

I simply don't get it...

What are they doing?

Right!

I think that Lying Down video was probably horrible and they just decided not to release it. Otherwise, it would have been out by now.

[DionFanAlways]

What are they doing?

Sleeping.

Right!

I think that Lying Down video was probably horrible and they just decided not to release it. Otherwise, it would have been out by now.

Probably to much color for them...

[Shaun]

Even if "Lying Down" didn't take off in the way they had hoped, and even if the promotion for the album is now officially finished, and even if they don't give an actual damn anymore.......what's the harm in releasing it?

 

She's Celine Dion! She's a living legend, she's made them a tonne of money over the years, they went to the effort of filming and making the thing. So why not just release it?

 

What is the problem?

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Even if "Lying Down" didn't take off in the way they had hoped, and even if the promotion for the album is now officially finished, and even if they don't give an actual damn anymore.......what's the harm in releasing it?

 

She's Celine Dion! She's a living legend, she's made them a tonne of money over the years, they went to the effort of filming and making the thing. So why not just release it?

 

What is the problem?

 

 

yep i agree with you 100%!!! 🙌💯

 

even if the video is not the "most fabolous video" of celines career (& lets face it, i LOVE celine to pieces, BUT most of her previous videos were not that "fabulous" really, most average/mediocre at the most!) so WHY NOT release it after all the hard work (not only by celine, but by the crew, technicians, editors, etc that worked on that video) that was done? such a waste of time in my opinion (& such a WASTE for fans not to see during this quarantine!) like i said such a shame, who knows it might be a GOOD video, but none of us will ever know! 😕😣

 

[Bruno Portugal]

Right!

I think that Lying Down video was probably horrible and they just decided not to release it. Otherwise, it would have been out by now.

 

Knowing Sony, probably the LD music video is flawless...

I don’t get it.

It’s just another unreleased Celine item.

[Xpresso]

Knowing Sony, probably the LD music video is flawless...

I don't get it.

It's just another unreleased Celine item.

Flawless? I doubt it. But it must be really bad for them not to release it.

[Del]

Flawless? I doubt it. But it must be really bad for them not to release it.

That or after it was done decided it didn't go with the image they want to portray of her. Remember the I Want You To Need Me video was apparently redone (terribly I might add) because of apparent violence or something of that nature in the original one.

 

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[couldawouldashoulda]

Even if "Lying Down" didn't take off in the way they had hoped, and even if the promotion for the album is now officially finished, and even if they don't give an actual damn anymore.......what's the harm in releasing it?

 

She's Celine Dion! She's a living legend, she's made them a tonne of money over the years, they went to the effort of filming and making the thing. So why not just release it?

 

What is the problem?

 

Many business decisions are made that the general public will never understand or will never receive an explanation. Ultimately, someone obviously decided not to release it. Was it shot in front of a green screen and needed effects and Sony decided it was too expensive? Was it not shot in front of a green screen and still needed effects on which Sony didn’t want to spend money? Did Celine not like how she looked in it? Did Sony not like the look of it? We’re never gonna have the answers to these questions. (Or many other questions throughout the years on why decision were made the way they were.) If we want the answers, someone on this forum will have to apply for a job at Sony and do some detective work!

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Many business decisions are made that the general public will never understand or will never receive an explanation. Ultimately, someone obviously decided not to release it. Was it shot in front of a green screen and needed effects and Sony decided it was too expensive? Was it not shot in front of a green screen and still needed effects on which Sony didn’t want to spend money? Did Celine not like how she looked in it? Did Sony not like the look of it? We’re never gonna have the answers to these questions. (Or many other questions throughout the years on why decision were made the way they were.) If we want the answers, someone on this forum will have to apply for a job at Sony and do some detective work!

 

Or kidnap Pepe until we get answers

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

Many business decisions are made that the general public will never understand or will never receive an explanation. Ultimately, someone obviously decided not to release it. Was it shot in front of a green screen and needed effects and Sony decided it was too expensive? Was it not shot in front of a green screen and still needed effects on which Sony didn’t want to spend money? Did Celine not like how she looked in it? Did Sony not like the look of it? We’re never gonna have the answers to these questions. (Or many other questions throughout the years on why decision were made the way they were.) If we want the answers, someone on this forum will have to apply for a job at Sony and do some detective work!

 

some of this i do see where you are coming from with the cost & all that...

 

though i still do think of it as a SHAME to not release it for the sake of not only celine not making any $$ back on it, but also the NUMEROUS others who worked on that video as well: the director, producers, editors, technicians, etc... what about them? & right now with this seems-to-be-never-ending-pandemic-from-hell, i am sure that everybody, or almost everybody could use some extra $$ these days...

 

especially since so many people these days are out of work & will still be for the forseeable future because of this pandemic...

Edited May 30, 2020 at 05:47 PM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

some of this i do see where you are coming from with the cost & all that...

 

though i still do think of it as a SHAME to not release it for the sake of not only celine not making any $$ back on it, but also the NUMEROUS others who worked on that video as well: the director, producers, editors, technicians, etc... what about them? & right now with this seems-to-be-never-ending-pandemic-from-hell, i am sure that everybody, or almost everybody could use some extra $$ these days...

 

especially since so many people these days are out of work & will still be for the forseeable future because of this pandemic...

 

If you only knew the amount of art on which artists spend so much hard work and energy that never get released. Just think of all the songs Celine recorded that never made it onto an album. Those songwriters’ work never got heard. This is sadly just a fact of art and of business. That’s why I say there are so many decisions made that the general public will never understand because they’ll never know the reasons behind everything. Businesses sadly don’t owe it to anyone to defend their decisions.

[Chantemoi]

Can anyone provide us with a ballpark estimate for how much post-production on a CGI-heavy video would cost??

 

If it’s that expensive, maybe Céline could just pay out-of-pocket? She spends millions each year on clothing, and that’s just a hobby :-/

Edited May 30, 2020 at 08:08 PM by Chantemoi

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Or kidnap Pepe until we get answers

 

or maybe a dm on instagram would do? lol.

 

Maybe we should start an email campaign asking for the LD video. I hardly think TC is reading through comments on her social media.

[Xpresso]

some of this i do see where you are coming from with the cost & all that...

 

though i still do think of it as a SHAME to not release it for the sake of not only celine not making any $$ back on it, but also the NUMEROUS others who worked on that video as well: the director, producers, editors, technicians, etc... what about them? & right now with this seems-to-be-never-ending-pandemic-from-hell, i am sure that everybody, or almost everybody could use some extra $$ these days...

 

especially since so many people these days are out of work & will still be for the forseeable future because of this pandemic...

Even if the music video is not out, these people got paid for their work regardless.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Can anyone provide us with a ballpark estimate for how much post-production on a CGI-heavy video would cost??

 

If it's that expensive, maybe Céline could just pay out-of-pocket? She spends millions each year on clothing, and that's just a hobby :-/

 

I found this:

and this: https://beverlyboy.com/how-much-does-it-cost/how-much-does-a-5-minute-video-cost/

 

Might help to give a bit of a generalized idea?

 

I doubt if Celine has any interest in putting her own money into one of her music videos - she'd much rather spend the same amount on one pair of shoes.

[Xpresso]

Most artists don't have to pay anything for promotion, videos, recording, etc. So why would any of them want to invest their own money on a video when the label already gets a big share of the pie already? That's not to say that some of them don't but that's not very common.

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

If you only knew the amount of art on which artists spend so much hard work and energy that never get released. Just think of all the songs Celine recorded that never made it onto an album. Those songwriters’ work never got heard. This is sadly just a fact of art and of business. That’s why I say there are so many decisions made that the general public will never understand because they’ll never know the reasons behind everything. Businesses sadly don’t owe it to anyone to defend their decisions.

 

yea but that really does suck for all of those who work on a project (the artist/band, but also the writers, directors, producers, technicians, etc) & not get anything out of it...

 

that is why i guess i am glad not to be in the entertainment industry (& plus the fact that i CAN NOT sing a note like our beloved celine can lol) 😬😄

 

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Even if the music video is not out, these people got paid for their work regardless.

 

wow, i did NOT know that... may i ask HOW though?? because if the video is not downloaded/viewed/streamed by people, how does the video make $$$? just like movies, albums, books, etc all have to have people purchasing/downloading/streaming in order for $$ to be made right...

 

hmmm food for the thought lol 😕😜

 

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

Sleeping.

Probably to much color for them...

 

HAHA i love that response! yep i think they all must be "hibernating" until the coronavirus is over lol! 😂😅

 

yep it seems like celine & company like their videos "black & white" these days lol (no pun intended haha) 😜😄

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

Oh boy.

[mebe]

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[Nando Férri]

Mariah’s fans and Britney’s fans made her albums come back to iTunes. Britney even changed the cover of her latest album and has added a bonus song there this week. Why can’t we do a campaign to make pression for the release of LD video, for example? Something like #releaselyingdownvideo #justiceforlyingdown Edited May 31, 2020 at 03:55 AM by Nando Férri

[guigafs15]

Mariah’s fans and Britney’s fans made her albums come back to iTunes. Britney even changed the cover of her latest album and has added a bonus song there this week. Why can’t we do a campaign to make pression for the release of LD video, for example? Something like #releaselyingdownvideo #justiceforlyingdown

 

Britney is already for 2 days on top of iTunes with a song from 2016, and this with Gaga as competition. And, yeah, I know, iTunes has no relevance any more and etc. But she got a lot of media coverage because of it.

 

It would be nice to see Celine up there, too.

[jpatdeleon09]

Well, it depends on the fans if they really want this to happen. Mostly bored people do this lol

[Nando Férri]

Mariah’s fans and Britney’s fans made their albums come back to iTunes. Britney even changed the cover of her latest album and has added a bonus song there this week. Why can’t we do a campaign to make pression for the release of LD video, for example? Something like #releaselyingdownvideo #justiceforlyingdown

[scielle]

Most artists don't have to pay anything for promotion, videos, recording, etc. So why would any of them want to invest their own money on a video when the label already gets a big share of the pie already? That's not to say that some of them don't but that's not very common.

 

Actually, it is common.

Who bares the cost of marketing, promo, videos etc depends on the specific deal the artist has with the label. So e.g. if it’s a distribution deal, the artist bares it all. It it’s a profit share (and my suspicion is Celine’s deal is likely a profit share), the artist bares [50%], with the actual number depending on the details of the specific contract; and it might itemize what costs are/ aren’t shared. License and master deals vary.

Bottom line, you can’t really say without seeing her contract.

[weasley123]

Many business decisions are made that the general public will never understand or will never receive an explanation. Ultimately, someone obviously decided not to release it. Was it shot in front of a green screen and needed effects and Sony decided it was too expensive? Was it not shot in front of a green screen and still needed effects on which Sony didn’t want to spend money? Did Celine not like how she looked in it? Did Sony not like the look of it? We’re never gonna have the answers to these questions. (Or many other questions throughout the years on why decision were made the way they were.) If we want the answers, someone on this forum will have to apply for a job at Sony and do some detective work!

 

The problem is the same thing happened with Encore un Soir music video. For me, this only shows how unprofessional her team is. The production of music video supposed to go through some concept stages, brainstorming, budget discussion, etc. Did they just jump through all those stages and just do the principal photography until when the see the product, suddenly they decided to not release the video?

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Actually, it is common.

Who bares the cost of marketing, promo, videos etc depends on the specific deal the artist has with the label. So e.g. if it’s a distribution deal, the artist bares it all. It it’s a profit share (and my suspicion is Celine’s deal is likely a profit share), the artist bares [50%], with the actual number depending on the details of the specific contract; and it might itemize what costs are/ aren’t shared. License and master deals vary.

Bottom line, you can’t really say without seeing her contract.

 

I thought I’d remember you saying that before. The theory that the LD video was scrapped because it went over budget certainly seems possible —anything is— but they’d have approved a budget before filming; I can’t imagine what would cause the budget to balloon out of control and then, suddenly, they can’t afford to pay for the special effects anymore. Didn’t like the footage, need to reshoot, and Sony won’t shell out the money? Changed their mind about the artistic direction or marketing strategy? Haha nice one! Whatever the reason, it just seems stupid and unprofessional to scrap the whole project. Like, surely, they must not know what they’re doing.

Edited May 31, 2020 at 01:01 PM by Chantemoi

[Dancing_Queen]

I still believe they wanted to release the LD video to coincide with the European tour, maybe even coupled with a Eurovision performance (which was supposed to take place at *just* the right time).

 

But maybe I'm just naive that way 😊

[Alex_Incognito]

Are we even sure that that was the filming of lying down? Or was it just a photo shoot?