"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

She needs a manager who would push her a little. Everyone is talking about her deserving a break. People, she has been on a break for about 3 months now. That’s luxury.

[Kyle_Jared]

She doesn't care. She never really has. It's clear it was only about the money and contractual obligations for her, and not any supposed "artistry" and love she had for the album. People need to realize that.

 

I think you are only partially correct. I agree the money and contractual obligations play a big role to her. However, her sheer discipline to her craft and her passion for certain songs does show artistry. She may, however, have become accustomed to doing little and having fans still show up to her shows and show her love. Very loyal following. She may also not enjoy the circus of it all and be used to having Rene take care of the "business" side of things like singles etc. I do not agree that she is solely interested in doing it for the money. As cliche as sit sounds, it's true she has nothing to prove anymore. Maybe she means it.

Edited June 4, 2020 at 06:53 PM by Kyle_Jared

[browseceline]

She needs a manager who would push her a little. Everyone is talking about her deserving a break. People, she has been on a break for about 3 months now. That’s luxury.

I still think we have been fooled with this 'courage tour'. Would i have known it was again kind of the same as before i would think twice before i bought a ticket. And yes - why even release a new album when you do not show much interest how proud you are about your new product? Courage and imperfections do not make this a courage tour imo. Compare this with the taking chances tour that had so much more songs of that album.. Why not now?

 

Maybe these three months have given her more inspiration to really dive deep in her repertoire!

 

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Edited June 4, 2020 at 07:41 PM by browseceline

[guigafs15]

Always the high expectations... Will we ever learn? 🤔

 

Courage was borne already dead, at least commercially. It would be nice to see her everywhere, just to see her. But it wouldn't make any major impact on streaming. Maybe if a song was pick up by a movie or show, or if she release a new version of a song with some big young artist, we could get some middling (mediocre, really) success like Ashes did.

 

But, it is what it is...

[ryba]

It’s a mess, just because nobody gives a crap. No one cares. Simple as that. Having a great product and doing absolutely nothing with it is just stupid and ignorant for an artist of her kind. But even she doesn’t give a crap, so it says it all.

 

It’s hard, but I‘ve realised that it’s not gonna get better and we just have to deal with it. I personally haven’t bought a ticket for the Courage tour. This tour doesn’t excite me. And that cover medley is a joke. I don’t want to see the talented Celine Dion singing some stupid 80s covers while her own amazing songs are totally ignored. Shame on them...

Edited June 4, 2020 at 08:32 PM by ryba

[Xpresso]

Why would she be promoting this album now anyway? Even if she does, it would sell what, an extra 50,000? Is it worth it?

Look, Madonna did a lot of promotion (Eurovision included!) and even teamed up with younger artists to get more streams, and she isn't selling more than Courage is. So we need to get used to these new legend numbers. It happens to all of them.

 

Celine wants to perform and have fun. She's not into promoting anymore and if I were her, I would probably do the exact same thing. How long can anyone handle annoying and ridiculous interviews!? I would have stopped that a long time ago...

[ryba]

Maybe not more ridiculous interviews, but showing her artistry as a singer, footage of her creating her new album. Concert DVDs or streams. Showing interest in her fanbase and please them with some materials, and not just disappear and be silent till the freaking boring tour continues.

[Xpresso]

Maybe not more ridiculous interviews, but showing her artistry as a singer, footage of her creating her new album. Concert DVDs or streams. Showing interest in her fanbase and please them with some materials, and not just disappear and be silent till the freaking boring tour continues.

She is also staying home like most of us. She doesn't have to be the singer the entire time she is off. Let her rest and spend time with her kids. And if the tour is too boring, you don't have to follow it.

[mirage]

Back in the day she appeared everywhere just by satellite connection.

These days it's even easier and nowhere to be found

 

 

 

Yes! The remote interviews are such an easy thing to do — appearing on talk shows just by sitting in her very own living room. I truly hope she does another round of Courage promo. A lot of people out there would love this album if they knew it existed. It’d also be great promo for the tour... once the new dates are announced.

 

I also agree Celine deserves a break. This can be a bit down the road.

[manolo19]

 

 

Man, I just watched the videos you did for Lying Down, Perfect Goodbye and For The Lover That I Lost. You are truly an artist, Celine should definitely hire you for her future videos!

Thanks again for that CelineFan77 and Weasley, It really makes me happy to read positive comments and feedback.

 

[DionFanAlways]

Yes, in the beginning, I was upset that things didn't happen the way I wanted it too but none the less I still adore it! Regardless if it's "dead" or not.

 

With all her energy she has do yall think she's going a little stir crazy at home? I am!

[celinefanonline]

well for me i agree all the views here negative or positive!

i don't think she doesn't care though but probably just not as much, as she has proved herself .....

and i think this pandemic is her actual holiday since forever (well since her break from 2000 to 2002)

she's probably really happy at home spending time with her twins and RC!

 

and yes i do think Courage should and can go further..... but it does feel sony doesn't really care about it much lol

and yes i also think the tour should have more Courage album songs... mmm

hopefully something more when they resume the tour

[jeje03100]

the best idea would be to release the album with a double CD including the recorded titles and not released. to discover the album and have a greater promotion with the new titles

[Chantemoi]

the best idea would be to release the album with a double CD including the recorded titles and not released. to discover the album and have a greater promotion with the new titles

 

How many people do you think would buy that? 10,000? 500,000? 600? Just because WE want these obscure releases does not translate to actual sales, which is what a company like Sony is concerned about.

 

Even releasing concerts (which I believe would be a decision made by Feeling Productions - please correct me if I’m wrong) might not have the same physical demand you’d expect from her releases 10, 20 years ago. Of course, they could *only* post this content online, but clearly it’s just not a priority for them.

 

Honestly, I don’t see why there isn’t a higher demand for her concert DVDs. You’d think they’d sell like hot cakes at the merch booths after a concert...

[ryba]

We don't know if demand for her DVDs is low. Her last concert DVD was released in 2014.

[Xpresso]

They hardly sell DVD players anymore, why would Sony want to release a Celine concert on DVD?

[Céline RO]

They should make a mega Netflix documentary about the Courage era and everything Céline has done since 2017.

 

It should include studio sessions, full shows from the 2017 and 2018 summer tours (with behind-the-scenes footage), full show from the final year in Vegas (with behind-the-scenes footage), planning the world tour, Céline doing ballet, full show and preparations of BST Hyde Park, rehearsals for the world tour in Quebec and of course full show and behind-the-scenes of the Courage World Tour.

 

I’m sure they’ve got all the necessary footage.

[guigafs15]

the best idea would be to release the album with a double CD including the recorded titles and not released. to discover the album and have a greater promotion with the new titles

 

IMO, that wouldn't work at all. Courage has already too much songs for now days. Albums are being drop with 10 tracks at most. Nobody, besides hardcore fans, would've care to listen to a double CD with 30 or 40 songs.

[ryba]

They hardly sell DVD players anymore, why would Sony want to release a Celine concert on DVD?

come on, concert DVDs are still sold by artists. Moreover, she could easily make a deal with Netflix or Apple Music, but instead she doesn’t do anything

[ryba]

They should make a mega Netflix documentary about the Courage era and everything Céline has done since 2017.

 

It should include studio sessions, full shows from the 2017 and 2018 summer tours (with behind-the-scenes footage), full show from the final year in Vegas (with behind-the-scenes footage), planning the world tour, Céline doing ballet, full show and preparations of BST Hyde Park, rehearsals for the world tour in Quebec and of course full show and behind-the-scenes of the Courage World Tour.

 

I’m sure they’ve got all the necessary footage.

exactly! But that should be at least a good 3 hours long, if not more. Or they could make a series

[Céline RO]

exactly! But that should be at least a good 3 hours long, if not more. Or they could make a series

 

A series!

[Xpresso]

come on, concert DVDs are still sold by artists. Moreover, she could easily make a deal with Netflix or Apple Music, but instead she doesn’t do anything

Even if some artists still offer DVDs, how well do they sell? Not many people buy DVDs anymore.

Netflix makes a lot more sense! I think Celine's team has been trying to do something with Netflix (remember those social media posts?)... Let's see how long that takes. It's not like Celine can pick up the phone and ask Netflix (hey, put my concert on next weekend alright?)

Remember, the best is yet to come!

[ryba]

Even if some artists still offer DVDs, how well do they sell? Not many people buy DVDs anymore.

Netflix makes a lot more sense! I think Celine's team has been trying to do something with Netflix (remember those social media posts?)... Let's see how long that takes. It's not like Celine can pick up the phone and ask Netflix (hey, put my concert on next weekend alright?)

Remember, the best is yet to come!

yes, but her audience and demographic buys physical CDs, so they would also buy a new DVD. And I think that the longer she waits, the worse it's gonna get, because a lot of people will lose interest. They should strike while the iron's hot, but unfortunately the iron is not hot at all anymore. The iron is nowhere to be found. It got lost, it's gone (just like her gray heavy couch) hahahahah :D Edited June 6, 2020 at 03:19 PM by ryba

[Céline RO]

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yes, but her audience and demographic buys physical CDs, so they would also buy a new DVD. And I think that the longer she waits, the worse it's gonna get, because a lot of people will lose interest. They should strike while the iron's hot, but unfortunately the iron is not hot at all anymore. The iron is nowhere to be found. It got lost, it's gone (just like her gray heavy couch) hahahahah :D

 

But Netflix is gaining popularity rapidly, even among older people, and, in the upcoming years, could even become standard. Now’s the time to make that visionary (not really anymore) move that René would’ve made. Why stay stuck in the past when the world is evolving? It might also help her attract new fans from a younger demographic, especially if it’s very well done and very well advertised.

 

It’s like saying that they shouldn’t waste money on amazing stage visuals as her fans only come for her voice.

Edited June 6, 2020 at 04:31 PM by Céline RO

[couldawouldashoulda]

I think we all need to realize that Celine isn’t Rene. Yes - the visionary thinker of the “team” is gone. Celine was never into that side of the business. She just likes to sing in front of people. The days of giant leaps in artistry, or visionary thinking are over. She seems to be more of stick-with-the-tried-and-true kind of person and, without Rene to push her, I just don’t see any changes going forward.

[ryba]

I agree with all that, but putting out materials and releases has nothing to do with leaps in artistsry. I think it’s a matter of interest to satisfy your fan base and your followers. And she totally neglects that. All she cares about is what is the most profitable for her: selling super expensive concert tickets.

[comingback]

Yes, where is the Netflix docu, I tought they filmed sth. on the tours 2016-2018/2019?

 

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Edited June 6, 2020 at 06:22 PM by comingback

[smw]

Celine completely reinvented herself as a fashion icon. She not only surprised all of us by achieving this — but the entire world noticed. She suddenly became a relevant, sought after celebrity again, and that came from being her very own visionary.

 

Like many others have stated — her drive for promoting her music just isn’t what it was in the 80s and 90s when she was trying to prove herself. Fortunately her voice is still stunning and she’s legendary, so she will always fill venues. Any new music, it seems, will be more so a gift to the fans and just because she wants to record it... not because she wants to sell millions anymore. Regardless, I’m so proud of her for creating the Courage album without Rene. It’s one of her best English albums ever and certainly her best since ANDHC.

 

Celine’s going to keep on surprising us. Probably with things we’d never expect. But I do hope that her team encourages her to branch out when it comes to promoting her music — the way she’s branched out in fashion. If she could marry these two passions more fluidly... she’d be on fire!

 

Edited June 6, 2020 at 06:20 PM by smw

[couldawouldashoulda]

I agree with all that, but putting out materials and releases has nothing to do with leaps in artistsry. I think it’s a matter of interest to satisfy your fan base and your followers. And she totally neglects that. All she cares about is what is the most profitable for her: selling super expensive concert tickets.

 

I don’t necessarily think it’s ALL about the expensive tickets - she doesn’t set the ticket price after all, she gets paid a fee from the concert promoter and then that promoter sets the ticket prices to make a profit way over and above the money they pay her - I think it’s also (at least 50%) that she just truly loves singing in front of people. If someone wants to pay her a half a million dollars per show and charge a lot in ticket prices, she’s just not going to do anything to stop that.

[mirage]

That was something we made up because of all the retweets and likes between celine and Netflix at that time.

 

Yes, where is the Netflix docu, I tought they filmed sth. on the tours 2016-2018/2019?

 

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