"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Chantemoi]

Guys: what if she’s recording PMLALS in French, for the new album marking her simultaneous return to the tour in France and a new residency in Vegas!!??

[ryba]

Guys: what if she's recording PMLALS in French, for the new album marking her simultaneous return to the tour in France and a new residency in Vegas!!??

never thought of that, but it’s a good idea! Still, I would also love to have the English version in full. It’s quite magical.

[guigafs15]

 

 

I had forgotten about that! She shouldn’t waste this massive opportunity and not record the French album. When is she ever going to have this much spare time again? And she already has a whole bunch of francophone dates scheduled. It’s the perfect scenario! Also, it’s already been almost 4 years since Encore un soir (though it feels like yesterday). It’s absolutely time for another French release, even more so if it’s with JJG (but, as you said, I won’t get my hopes up for that rumor).

 

It would be great but, IDK. We have to keep in mind that this is not exactly "free time". It's quarantine. Recording a new album requires people being together, producers, songwriters, engineers, a band...

 

Celine, in normal times, takes years to put an album together. I don't see her doing in just a couple months, in quarantine, when she can't even meet who she needs.

 

 

[Céline RO]

It would be great but, IDK. We have to keep in mind that this is not exactly "free time". It's quarantine. Recording a new album requires people being together, producers, songwriters, engineers, a band...

 

Celine, in normal times, takes years to put an album together. I don't see her doing in just a couple months, in quarantine, when she can't even meet who she needs.

 

She has taken much less to do albums in the past, remember when she used to roll out an album (or even two) every year? She also probably already has more than enough songs written for her. Quarantine won’t last much longer and Céline will probably still have months when she will be able to travel and meet with people, just not thousands at once. The French album is absolutely feasible.

[LeChauffeur100]

It would be great but, IDK. We have to keep in mind that this is not exactly "free time". It's quarantine. Recording a new album requires people being together, producers, songwriters, engineers, a band...

 

Celine, in normal times, takes years to put an album together. I don't see her doing in just a couple months, in quarantine, when she can't even meet who she needs.

Kylie Minogue is recording vocals for her new album at home! I wonder if Céline would like doing that as well.

[garyhollander]

Guys give Celine a freaking break, she hasent even ended her courage tour and already everybody is expecting her to be recording new albums... Sometimes it really bothers me how selfish fans can act... It is never enough.. These periods in time people are scared and they are going through though times... if Celine needs a break to enjoy life regain strength and energy let her be... She has given almost 40 years of her life to fans, so be human and think about more than albums and music and stuff... Do i wish everyday a new album is recorded yess... But I also think about her as a person she lkost her mom in january she never had time to grieve think about celine the person if you really love her.. Artists are not robots that just suddenly have energy and emotion to do anything they need to draw that from somewhere she took her time with an album and there we have one of the finnest albums she has ever made...

[couldawouldashoulda]

Apparently, it’s not enough for her to release a fantastic album. If she doesn’t promote it on every talk show that exists and have a number one single on that album, some fans just drop it and don’t listen to it. I guess an album is only good if it has a number one single? Or it’s only good if everyone in the world listens to it? I think that’s how some fans’ minds think. I personally love the album and still listen to at least part of it daily and the entire thing once a week. It’s her best work in a long time!

[guigafs15]

Apparently, it’s not enough for her to release a fantastic album. If she doesn’t promote it on every talk show that exists and have a number one single on that album, some fans just drop it and don’t listen to it. I guess an album is only good if it has a number one single? Or it’s only good if everyone in the world listens to it? I think that’s how some fans’ minds think. I personally love the album and still listen to at least part of it daily and the entire thing once a week. It’s her best work in a long time!

 

You have to respect the fact that 'Courage' is not a fantastic album for everyone. And, for me, there's nothing to do with promotion or the lack of #1 single. I know how the industry works and I don't expect Celine to be on the top of the charts or expending

her money and her time on promotions that, in the end, wouldn't make any relevant impact.

 

It's more about the over processed vocals that make her sound like a robot and not herself, some dull lyrics and the overall 2018 pop production that got old really quickly, as usualy pop does.

 

But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals. After all, creatively, Celine doesn't do much. It's all about her talent, her voice. If you screwed up that (and they did), you got a generic pop album, good and forgettable as most of them are. That's 'Courage' for me. I barely listen to it anymore.

 

[couldawouldashoulda]

You have to respect the fact that 'Courage' is not a fantastic album for everyone. And, for me, there's nothing to do with promotion or the lack of #1 single. I know how the industry works and I don't expect Celine to be on the top of the charts or expending

her money and her time on promotions that, in the end, wouldn't make any relevant impact.

 

It's more about the over processed vocals that make her sound like a robot and not herself, some dull lyrics and the overall 2018 pop production that got old really quickly, as usualy pop does.

 

But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals. After all, creatively, Celine doesn't do much. It's all about her talent, her voice. If you screwed up that (and they did), you got a generic pop album, good and forgettable as most of them are. That's 'Courage' for me. I barely listen to it anymore.

 

Your point of view sounds totally understandable. I’m talking about all the fans who talked about how brilliant Courage was and how much they loved it and that it was her best album in years. But then, when she didn’t promote it, they dropped it like a hot potato and said “I can’t listen to this if she’s not going to do her job and promote it.”

[Peppercorn1991]

I still love the album from top to bottom!

 

Kev x

[browseceline]

 

Your point of view sounds totally understandable. I’m talking about all the fans who talked about how brilliant Courage was and how much they loved it and that it was her best album in years. But then, when she didn’t promote it, they dropped it like a hot potato and said “I can’t listen to this if she’s not going to do her job and promote it.”

You know why? Because Celine clearly does not care for it and then i dont feel her passion in this project and makes me loose interest. If she did some more songs in the tour it would be different. But now it feels like an album that she had to do - and on with that vegas setlist. If she likes to do what she wanted to do she could eadily add more songs but she clearly does not show much interest.

 

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[garyhollander]

You have to respect the fact that 'Courage' is not a fantastic album for everyone. And, for me, there's nothing to do with promotion or the lack of #1 single. I know how the industry works and I don't expect Celine to be on the top of the charts or expending

her money and her time on promotions that, in the end, wouldn't make any relevant impact.

 

It's more about the over processed vocals that make her sound like a robot and not herself, some dull lyrics and the overall 2018 pop production that got old really quickly, as usualy pop does.

 

But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals. After all, creatively, Celine doesn't do much. It's all about her talent, her voice. If you screwed up that (and they did), you got a generic pop album, good and forgettable as most of them are. That's 'Courage' for me. I barely listen to it anymore.

 

Well there is a difference in an opinion and facts.. You can have an opinion, not liking a song, or finding a lyric dull for you... Thats all possible...But when you say she did not serve vocalls than your speaking untruth, thats not an opinion cause the fact is she served them and served them raw... I you listen to Change my mind, The Hard Way, her delivery on courage, Lying down, how did you get here, perfect goodbye, look at us now... than I'm saying you dont have enough knowledge on singing to judge this... People forget she is 52 she will never be able to have vocalls like she did in the 90's again... Second you do not know what the process of this album was like and how much input she had in each song or not... For me it's one of her best albums lyrically it is very strong with inspirational songs and songs of truth and what is going on in this world right now it is one of the most cohesive albums she has ever done you can feel the process she went through after rene in this album...

[garyhollander]

You know why? Because Celine clearly does not care for it and then i dont feel her passion in this project and makes me loose interest. If she did some more songs in the tour it would be different. But now it feels like an album that she had to do - and on with that vegas setlist. If she likes to do what she wanted to do she could eadily add more songs but she clearly does not show much interest.

 

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Funny how fans always think they know everything and details when they have no knowledge of what is going on... Maybe she read posts like yours and other fans on this forum and it broke her heart after all the time and emotion she poured on the album and decided to not sing the songs anymore on tour...

[garyhollander]

I still love the album from top to bottom!

 

Kev x

Me too lovee this album a lot its really fitting for the times we are going through right now... I think would have been a good move to put out hard way right now with music video or soemthing think a lot of people do not know the song yet but it's very inspiring..

[Del]

You know why? Because Celine clearly does not care for it and then i dont feel her passion in this project and makes me loose interest. If she did some more songs in the tour it would be different. But now it feels like an album that she had to do - and on with that vegas setlist. If she likes to do what she wanted to do she could eadily add more songs but she clearly does not show much interest.

 

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Why would promotion or the lack of determine how much you'll enjoy an album? You either feel a song/album or you don't. The songs would have the same meanings.

 

Just trying to understand how you're judging an album based on how it was promoted and not the material and message the songs have.

 

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[Xpresso]

Why would promotion or the lack of determine how much you'll enjoy an album? You either feel a song/album or you don't. The songs would have the same meanings.

 

Just trying to understand how you're judging an album based on how it was promoted and not the material and message the songs have.

 

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Exactly. What if she wouldn't do the Courage Tour and never sing any song from the album? Edited June 12, 2020 at 10:53 PM by Xpresso

[Celine Fan 77]

Look at Italian singer Mina Mazzini. She gave up public appearances in 1978 but has kept releasing successful albums and musical projects every year until our days.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Why would promotion or the lack of determine how much you'll enjoy an album? You either feel a song/album or you don't. The songs would have the same meanings.

 

Just trying to understand how you're judging an album based on how it was promoted and not the material and message the songs have.

 

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I’ll never understand the minds of the minds of those fans. I love an album because I love an album. Not how much promotion the artist does for it.

[guigafs15]

 

 

Well there is a difference in an opinion and facts.. You can have an opinion, not liking a song, or finding a lyric dull for you... Thats all possible...But when you say she did not serve vocalls than your speaking untruth, thats not an opinion cause the fact is she served them and served them raw... I you listen to Change my mind, The Hard Way, her delivery on courage, Lying down, how did you get here, perfect goodbye, look at us now... than I'm saying you dont have enough knowledge on singing to judge this... People forget she is 52 she will never be able to have vocalls like she did in the 90's again... Second you do not know what the process of this album was like and how much input she had in each song or not... For me it's one of her best albums lyrically it is very strong with inspirational songs and songs of truth and what is going on in this world right now it is one of the most cohesive albums she has ever done you can feel the process she went through after rene in this album...

 

I suggest you read my comment again because you miss the point. It's not about how Celine sing, she is singing great as always, it's about how processed her vocals are. And, no, this is not up to discussion and it's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact the her vocals are over processed. It sounds like if she is singing inside of a can. And if you have problem to hear that (I can not see how you could, but whatever), just listen to her most recent french album, Encore Un Soir, and you'll hear the BIG difference.

 

You may like it how it sounds, that's an opinion. You can say that doesn't bother you, fine too. We can even discuss rather this is necessary or not. But you can not say that those vocal aren't over processed. That's undeniable.

 

As for the lyrics, as I said, SOME are dull. Not all of them. Again, you may like, is not a problem. But I'm not obligated to. And about her being involved in the process, well... It's already clear for everyone in here that Celine doesn't have any attachment with the songs in the album, except maybe Courage, as she doesn't care to sing then in the tour. Of course, this is something we can only speculate but it's a guess as good as any.

[jpatdeleon09]

I suggest you read my comment again because you miss the point. It's not about how Celine sing, she is singing great as always, it's about how processed her vocals are. And, no, this is not up to discussion and it's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact the her vocals are over processed. It sounds like if she is singing inside of a can. And if you have problem to hear that (I can not see how you could, but whatever), just listen to her most recent french album, Encore Un Soir, and you'll hear the BIG difference.

 

You may like it how it sounds, that's an opinion. You can say that doesn't bother you, fine too. We can even discuss rather this is necessary or not. But you can not say that those vocal aren't over processed. That's undeniable.

 

As for the lyrics, as I said, SOME are dull. Not all of them. Again, you may like, is not a problem. But I'm not obligated to. And about her being involved in the process, well... It's already clear for everyone in here that Celine doesn't have any attachment with the songs in the album, except maybe Courage, as she doesn't care to sing then in the tour. Of course, this is something we can only speculate but it's a guess as good as any.

 

Focus on the BOLD texts lol

 

This is what I'm talking about before! I think it started back in 2015.

 

The Show Must Go On is one of them (sounds like she was singing inside a can lol)

Also, Ordinaire

 

They can just go back to her original recording team. I really love her sound in D'elles and Taking Chances. Well produced. Not irritating on ears when hitting the high notes compared to her songs from Encore Un Soir like "Ma Faille" and songs from her Loved Me Back To Life. When she will about to hit the high notes i slightly turn the volume because it hurts my ears. This not a problem on D'elles and Taking Chances.. only the recent ones. Dry vocals and unbalanced volume of her vocals to the instrumentals gotta go!

Edited June 13, 2020 at 07:49 AM by jpatdeleon09

[ryba]

Ever since they started experimenting with different microphones, the sound changed

[LukeD]

I am somewhere in the middle!

 

1) I love Courage. I am still listening to several songs from it despite being 7 months since its release. Celine has made me a happy fan with this album!

 

2) I do not agree with the concept of ''dull lyrics'' and this is something that has been mentioned again in the forum. IMO Courage is a sophisticated pop album dealing with a variety of themes - something that we did not quite see even in Celine's most successful releases. I actually think this must be her strongest English album in terms of lyrical content. I mean, show me the worst lyrics of Courage and I can provide much worse examples from every other album she has put out, from Unison to Loved Me Back To Life.

 

3) I agree that it sounds like she is singing inside a can. And there is also the bedroom voice that she needs to get rid of as a matter of urgency. This whole mentality - because it is a mentality and not a singing approach - was adopted back in 2013 when Adele was ruling the charts and Celine wanted to imitate her sound. It did not quite work back then, so I do not understand why she decided to strain her vocal cords again in 2019. I wish Courage marks the last time we heard of it.

 

Just my two cents.

Edited June 13, 2020 at 01:01 PM by LukeD

[jpatdeleon09]

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[garyhollander]

I suggest you read my comment again because you miss the point. It's not about how Celine sing, she is singing great as always, it's about how processed her vocals are. And, no, this is not up to discussion and it's not a matter of opinion. It is a fact the her vocals are over processed. It sounds like if she is singing inside of a can. And if you have problem to hear that (I can not see how you could, but whatever), just listen to her most recent french album, Encore Un Soir, and you'll hear the BIG difference.

 

You may like it how it sounds, that's an opinion. You can say that doesn't bother you, fine too. We can even discuss rather this is necessary or not. But you can not say that those vocal aren't over processed. That's undeniable.

 

As for the lyrics, as I said, SOME are dull. Not all of them. Again, you may like, is not a problem. But I'm not obligated to. And about her being involved in the process, well... It's already clear for everyone in here that Celine doesn't have any attachment with the songs in the album, except maybe Courage, as she doesn't care to sing then in the tour. Of course, this is something we can only speculate but it's a guess as good as any.

 

I actually did read your comment correctly, maybe you should express yourself differently. "But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals" To me this implies that she is not serving vocals or that the album doenst have good vocals... Good vocals has nothign to do with using reverbs or different microphones...Second it has not to do with overproduced vocals it has to do with a stylistic choice on the reverb and you can clearly hear if you listen carefully that the "can sound" is not used on all songs... So i dissagree completely on the overproduced vocalls. Listen to Falling in love, courage, lying down, change my mind, perfect goodbye, the hard way none of those have the can sound. Those reverbes that are used are similar to the ones used on her previous albums. Change my mind is actually has a pretty live feel to it. If you do not like the effect that is also an opinion not a fact. Because the word over is not factual word it is coming from too much which means its an opinion.

 

People saying the bedroom voice is something she is doing because of the trends with adele. Could be the case but I also think they are starting to introduce this because her top range has become more raspy through the years... She doesnt belt above D5 clean anymore. So they are starting to introduce the rasp as a sylistic choice to mask also the fact that her voice is not reaching those higher notes clean anymore...

 

And guys Celine is allowed to experiment she is also working with younger producers who approach things differently than David foster... I love that she is trying new things and figuring out different way of phrasing things. But i understand that some fans will like it and others wont...

 

And last but not least itss actually not smart to assume anything in life.. the fact that she was singing these songs in videos since 2017 already, may well be that she has attachement to them.. Might be that somne are to emotional to sing live.. Or others have such big vocals? or maybe has to do with the deal they made with the songwriters to perform them... If she didnt have an attachement to them she would surely not record them.. So yeah think it's not a great idea to make an assumption just so you can have something to say..

[browseceline]

 

I actually did read your comment correctly, maybe you should express yourself differently. "But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals" To me this implies that she is not serving vocals or that the album doenst have good vocals... Good vocals has nothign to do with using reverbs or different microphones...Second it has not to do with overproduced vocals it has to do with a stylistic choice on the reverb and you can clearly hear if you listen carefully that the "can sound" is not used on all songs... So i dissagree completely on the overproduced vocalls. Listen to Falling in love, courage, lying down, change my mind, perfect goodbye, the hard way none of those have the can sound. Those reverbes that are used are similar to the ones used on her previous albums. Change my mind is actually has a pretty live feel to it. If you do not like the effect that is also an opinion not a fact. Because the word over is not factual word it is coming from too much which means its an opinion.

 

People saying the bedroom voice is something she is doing because of the trends with adele. Could be the case but I also think they are starting to introduce this because her top range has become more raspy through the years... She doesnt belt above D5 clean anymore. So they are starting to introduce the rasp as a sylistic choice to mask also the fact that her voice is not reaching those higher notes clean anymore...

 

And guys Celine is allowed to experiment she is also working with younger producers who approach things differently than David foster... I love that she is trying new things and figuring out different way of phrasing things. But i understand that some fans will like it and others wont...

 

And last but not least itss actually not smart to assume anything in life.. the fact that she was singing these songs in videos since 2017 already, may well be that she has attachement to them.. Might be that somne are to emotional to sing live.. Or others have such big vocals? or maybe has to do with the deal they made with the songwriters to perform them... If she didnt have an attachement to them she would surely not record them.. So yeah think it's not a great idea to make an assumption just so you can have something to say..

 

good post!

 

 

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[guigafs15]

 

 

I actually did read your comment correctly, maybe you should express yourself differently. "But I would probably overlook all of that if the album had good real Celine vocals" To me this implies that she is not serving vocals or that the album doenst have good vocals... Good vocals has nothign to do with using reverbs or different microphones...Second it has not to do with overproduced vocals it has to do with a stylistic choice on the reverb and you can clearly hear if you listen carefully that the "can sound" is not used on all songs... So i dissagree completely on the overproduced vocalls. Listen to Falling in love, courage, lying down, change my mind, perfect goodbye, the hard way none of those have the can sound. Those reverbes that are used are similar to the ones used on her previous albums. Change my mind is actually has a pretty live feel to it. If you do not like the effect that is also an opinion not a fact. Because the word over is not factual word it is coming from too much which means its an opinion.

 

People saying the bedroom voice is something she is doing because of the trends with adele. Could be the case but I also think they are starting to introduce this because her top range has become more raspy through the years... She doesnt belt above D5 clean anymore. So they are starting to introduce the rasp as a sylistic choice to mask also the fact that her voice is not reaching those higher notes clean anymore...

 

And guys Celine is allowed to experiment she is also working with younger producers who approach things differently than David foster... I love that she is trying new things and figuring out different way of phrasing things. But i understand that some fans will like it and others wont...

 

And last but not least itss actually not smart to assume anything in life.. the fact that she was singing these songs in videos since 2017 already, may well be that she has attachement to them.. Might be that somne are to emotional to sing live.. Or others have such big vocals? or maybe has to do with the deal they made with the songwriters to perform them... If she didnt have an attachement to them she would surely not record them.. So yeah think it's not a great idea to make an assumption just so you can have something to say..

 

Celine's voice is clear in her concert, most of her french albums and in everyone until Taking Chances. As every one knows, studio vocals are processed. If they processed them too much, using too much effects, unnecessarily, I call that over processed. You dont like word "over", you can use whatever word you want. Beyond processed? Extra processed? I don't care! The fact is: too much of whatever you want to call it that make her sound like a robot.

 

Besides Courage, all of the songs you listed have the same problem, some more, some less. But it's there. And there's nothing to do with her range, since in her latest french album most of the songs didn't have that problem. Again, as I said before, you may like what you hear, that's your opinion. You can not say that it's not there.

 

As for your problem with my assumptions... Well, this is a FORUM and it's full of opinions and assumptions from everyone about everything regarding Celine. There's a hole thread about the assumption the she is going to do a new residency in Vegas, as an example. There's a lot of a assumptions about setlists, and her team, and her choices, and her past and future, sometimes even about her friends and family. If you don't like, perhaps you should go find yourself a fan site, not a forum, where you can follow her news without have to deal with people.

Edited June 14, 2020 at 12:10 PM by guigafs15

[Ajax]

 

Besides Courage, all of the songs you listed have the same problem, some more, some less. But it's there. And there's nothing to do with her range, since in her latest french album most of the songs didn't have that problem. Again, as I said before, you may like what you hear, that's your opinion. You can not say that it's not there.

 

Encore un soir is her worst material ever in term of voice processing and global production.

 

I agree on some of your points. But as mentioned Falling in love, courage, lying down, change my mind, the hard way, Heart of glass, boundaries, say yes, The chase, none of those have the can sound, production on vocals is perfect. Courage is a good balance I think in term of vocals processing, how she wants her voice to sound and be produced, actual production, dry and direct voice, as well as good old reverb and mix with instrumentals. Prononciation and deep voice still need to be improved on some songs though but that s another topic.

[garyhollander]

Celine's voice is clear in her concert, most of her french albums and in everyone until Taking Chances. As every one knows, studio vocals are processed. If they processed them too much, using too much effects, unnecessarily, I call that over processed. You dont like word "over", you can use whatever word you want. Beyond processed? Extra processed? I don't care! The fact is: too much of whatever you want to call it that make her sound like a robot.

 

Besides Courage, all of the songs you listed have the same problem, some more, some less. But it's there. And there's nothing to do with her range, since in her latest french album most of the songs didn't have that problem. Again, as I said before, you may like what you hear, that's your opinion. You can not say that it's not there.

 

As for your problem with my assumptions... Well, this is a FORUM and it's full of opinions and assumptions from everyone about everything regarding Celine. There's a hole thread about the assumption the she is going to do a new residency in Vegas, as an example. There's a lot of a assumptions about setlists, and her team, and her choices, and her past and future, sometimes even about her friends and family. If you don't like, perhaps you should go find yourself a fan site, not a forum, where you can follow her news without have to deal with people.

 

Sure if you think Celine voice is still clear on belting than you need to check your ears cause when belting above D5 with the chest mix she used in the 90's she always sounds a littl raspy.. Nowadays she uses a headier mix like the last note of Tous les Blues sont ecrit pour toi. Secondly indeed they use different tools to either enhance the vocals change them etc. So I agree they process the vocals. Over process is your opinion to it whats what i am trying to say. It's is not a fact it is your opinion. And as mentioned there are various songs where it is not used..

 

Now I can refer you to read what i actually write cause I was talking about the bedroom voice some peopel on the forum are refering to. And I said it can have something to do with the fact that her voice is changing.

 

And regarding assumption well I have the right to have an opinion also about stating asuumptions and opinions as if they are fact. and what I am trying to teach some people here on the forum is how to voice your opinion without being hurtful or mean towards her.. Stop using your opinion as though it is a fact.. There is a big difference when people use speculation or assumption. I have no problem with people voicing their opinion and their desires and their way of thinking it's also why i am here to learn from others and see different sides of the coin.. You should do the same learn something isntead of defending your point.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Encore un soir is her worst material ever in term of voice processing and global production.

 

Literally! Lol! Encore Un Soirs vocal production is terrible on virtually every song bar A La Plus Haute Branche, half of them sound unfinished and sloppy and the other half sound just plain weird, there’s no blending of layers or background vocals, it’s all just a muddy mess

[Xpresso]

Why are people complaining about the sound of can?

Celine already said before that she would love to record a full album in the can!