"Courage" album - Official Topic

[jpatdeleon09]

Celine doesn't want a manager she just wants to choose dresses, film amazing videos for Loreal but Boring vidéos for her music.. She likes the autopilot for the people that love her for titanic but couldn't care less for her New music . I hope she takes this time off to maybe let the artist inside her reshape her career and consider all the possibilites she has in terms of inspiration and creativity with her own catalogue. I know she can do it and still have hope she has passion for music

 

I mentioned manager a while ago because isn’t that the job of the managers? Helping/Guiding/Shaping their clients’ career? Rene did that. So, maybe hiring a competent manager like Rene would inspire céline more. I think Céline needs more guidance and inspiration to people who are good at this. Céline said herself before that Rene did all the things he needed to do as manager and her just focusing in singing. It’s the manager who should be doing all the stress.

 

I want her to be “still” surrounded with the best people like Rene did.

 

Anyways, she’ll hire someone in the future if she needs help.

 

The question is does she know anyone in the music industry? I mean, Rene i think he knows almost everyone. So, making a deal is easy. Now that she’s on her own.... Patrick Angelil is nowhere to be found. What happened to him? I wonder if Rene shared some managerial skills to his son for Céline to guide him?

Edited May 16, 2020 at 05:22 PM by jpatdeleon09

[DionFanAlways]

Why they don't promote another songs from this fabulous album???

Where is the Lying Down music video, for instance?

Bigfoot ate it, aliens abducted it ect ect.... It's a shame really.

[scielle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUiV64eLnM&t=1m57s

 

I do wish they'd let us hear a bit more of the Bizet in that Apple Music video instead of cutting straight to her talking over it

 

If you're not familiar, the piece she was signing is "Près des remparts de Séville" a.k.a. Seguidilla from Carmen.

 

Here's the full thing with English subtitles, from a 2009 Met Opera production (with Elina Garanca as Carmen, conducted by Yannick Nezet Seguin, by the way; it was his first time conducting at the Met and he was just 34 at the time!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHjnVz7Ayyw

 

Or here, by Maria Callas (bet you that's the one Celine's been listening to! )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhkCKmEDKM

Edited May 17, 2020 at 03:13 AM by scielle

[PuraVida]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUiV64eLnM&t=1m57s

 

I do wish they'd let us hear a bit more of the Bizet in that Apple Music video instead of cutting straight to her talking over it

 

If you're not familiar, the piece she was signing is "Près des remparts de Séville" a.k.a. Seguidilla from Carmen.

 

Here's the full thing with English subtitles, from a 2009 Met Opera production (with Elina Garanca as Carmen, conducted by Yannick Nezet Seguin, by the way; it was his first time conducting at the Met and he was just 34 at the time!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHjnVz7Ayyw

 

Or here, by Maria Callas (bet you that's the one Celine's been listening to! )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhkCKmEDKM

 

Thanks for the link! Wow Callas was extraordinary.

 

And yes, I can’t count the number of times I’ve been so dang annoyed by people talking over Celine singing. From Entertainment Tonight to documentaries to talk show bits...

 

I wish Celine would show off her classical stylings a lot more....no one sounds like she does!! It’s so great to the ear!!!

Edited May 17, 2020 at 05:30 AM by PuraVida

[scielle]

I wish Celine would show off her classical stylings a lot more....no one sounds like she does!! It's so great to the ear!!!

 

Her version of Habanera/ L'amour est un oiseau rebelle back in the '80s was very "popified". I'd be curious how she would sound with pieces like this done in the more traditional style / how much training it would take for her to get there.

 

I went down the YT black hole yesterday and watched a few Callas interviews, and it was interesting to hear her talk about her comeback tour (she hadn't performed for ~8 years between 1965-1973), and she was eviscerated by critics in said tour, her voice a shadow of its former self for lack of practice & training.

It's wild to think that she died of a heart attack at just 53.

[giannislyber]

I went down the YT black hole yesterday and watched a few Callas interviews, and it was interesting to hear her talk about her comeback tour (she hadn't performed for ~8 years between 1965-1973), and she was eviscerated by critics in said tour, her voice a shadow of its former self for lack of practice & training.

It's wild to think that she died of a heart attack at just 53.

 

There are plenty theories about the causes of her vocal condition, actually. Some experts claim that the heavy lose of weight caused a lose of breath support and not a vocal cords' damage, some others talked about lack of practice and training (like you said) and some others claim that personal issues affected her technic. A few months ago, I watched a play at the greek theathre called Masterclass, which is a great success the last two years in Greece, that was about Callas' personal life and career.

 

(sorry for the off-topic)

[scielle]

There are plenty theories about the causes of her vocal condition, actually. Some experts claim that the heavy lose of weight caused a lose of breath support and not a vocal cords' damage, some others talked about lack of practice and training (like you said) and some others claim that personal issues affected her technic.

 

Yes, I've seen it said the premature decline of her career was due to her extreme weight loss, or that it was a result of - supposedly, this was a theory that only appeared long after her death - dermatomyositis, which ate away at her diaphragm, heart, larynx. (And of course there were the mental health / emotional issues which I'm sure contributed.)

But, I said lack of practice because that's what she herself has said (in interviews you can find on YT).

 

Oh, and I'm not apologizing for going off-topic here because I'm no vocal technician and am genuinely curious what kind of training it would take for Celine to "properly" sing classical. Most professionals in the genre take decades to get there; could she get to "average" with a fraction of that training?

Edited May 17, 2020 at 03:04 PM by scielle

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yes, I've seen it said the premature decline of her career was due to her extreme weight loss, or that it was a result of - supposedly, this was a theory that only appeared long after her death - dermatomyositis, which ate away at her diaphragm, heart, larynx. (And of course there were the mental health / emotional issues which I'm sure contributed.)

But, I said lack of practice because that's what she herself has said (in interviews you can find on YT).

 

Oh, and I'm not apologizing for going off-topic here because I'm no vocal technician and am genuinely curious what kind of training it would take for Celine to "properly" sing classical. Most professionals in the genre take decades to get there; could she get to "average" with a fraction of that training?

 

Considering her clear skill in her head voice and her natural leaning towards operatic tones and techniques, I’d say if she was to get a classical trainer and train hard for 9 months - a year, she could definitely perform a full classical performance, the biggest thing she would have to work on obviously is projection, as she’s not used to singing without the aid of a microphone to carry her voice over an orchestra. But in terms of actual technique itself, her technique is pretty spot on

[zenmeban]

Who wishes Courage were available on cassette, am I the the only one to be completely nuts about this cassette tapes revival thing ?

 

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[scielle]

Considering her clear skill in her head voice and her natural leaning towards operatic tones and techniques, I'd say if she was to get a classical trainer and train hard for 9 months - a year, she could definitely perform a full classical performance, the biggest thing she would have to work on obviously is projection, as she's not used to singing without the aid of a microphone to carry her voice over an orchestra. But in terms of actual technique itself, her technique is pretty spot on

 

Really? You think a year and she could handle, say,

?

[browseceline]

 

You have a right to your expectations. You don’t have a right to expect Celine to follow through on YOUR expectations. She’s her own person and she can do what she thinks is best for her at this point in her life. She doesn’t know who you are. She doesn’t care what you think. Sorry to be so blunt but come on.

 

Why not “Tell Him??? Because she’d have to lip-synch it. She had to lip it in her late 20s/early 30s on the LTAL tour. That song won’t come back.

 

Why not “Then You Look At Me?” She’d have to lip-synch that song as well. Also, it’s clear that she was never a fan of that song. She sang it because James Horner was a friend and he asked her to sing it. At the time she felt as if she couldn’t say no. I remember reading that waaaay back in the day. (Remember that song is 20 years old now.) The fans obsession with TYLAM is embarrassing and head-shaking. It’s no way understandable.

 

Edited to add: I’m a die-hard. I’ve been with her from the start (of her English career - her French music never saw the light of day in America. I just have reasonable expectations of what to expect of a performer of Celine’s stature, reputation and legendary status. I expect the hits...concert after concert after concert. Don’t buy tickets to her shows from now on. This has been going on long enough that surely you know what to expect by now.

You are easy to please. I mean how should we all agree to only hear the hits in every concert? Purely commercial choices but creativty lacking and do you really think i am the only one who thinks this way? For some reason if you talk negative about her some fans always always have to defend het choices and Tell this is what we should expect. And telling that she would lipsync those tracks.. isn't that sad thst one of the best singers in the world would not sing songs like these and that it would be normal for us to expect lipsync??

 

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[célinedionfan_16]

Who wishes Courage were available on cassette, am I the the only one to be completely nuts about this cassette tapes revival thing ?

 

Made this for fun.

 

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Really? You think a year and she could handle, say,

?

 

If I’m not mistaken that aria lies out with her range. So I doubt she would attempt it even with training. Celines range in head voice extends with competency and skill to a C#, that particular aria from The Magic Flute goes up to F6, 3 semitones outwith her comfort range. Also imagine that the role of the Queen is filled by a coloratura soprano, not a lyric soprano, so Celine again would not fit the role

[scielle]

If I'm not mistaken that aria lies out with her range. So I doubt she would attempt it even with training. Celines range in head voice extends with competency and skill to a C#, that particular aria from The Magic Flute goes up to F6, 3 semitones outwith her comfort range. Also imagine that the role of the Queen is filled by a coloratura soprano, not a lyric soprano, so Celine again would not fit the role

 

Thanks.

I did think that was probably out of her range but also meant more in terms of difficulty, rather than necessarily that particular aria (it was just the first that came to mind as an example of super-human vocal acrobatics!)

 

I've always wondered what opera singers think of her. She's "just" a pop singer, after all. But clearly there are pop singers, and then there are pop singers. Clearly she's in a whole different league than the vast majority of them, from a technical perspective. So I wonder if opera singers take her seriously (purely from a musicianship perspective, not choice of material).

Edited May 17, 2020 at 07:03 PM by scielle

[Xpresso]

You are easy to please. I mean how should we all agree to only hear the hits in every concert? Purely commercial choices but creativty lacking and do you really think i am the only one who thinks this way? For some reason if you talk negative about her some fans always always have to defend het choices and Tell this is what we should expect. And telling that she would lipsync those tracks.. isn't that sad thst one of the best singers in the world would not sing songs like these and that it would be normal for us to expect lipsync??

 

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Well she is still selling those concerts out so I guess some people don't mind hearing the hits. Maybe not the biggest fans but tons of people are happy and want to hear those songs. You know that this won't change so why beat a dead horse? Edited May 17, 2020 at 07:52 PM by Xpresso

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Thanks.

I did think that was probably out of her range but also meant more in terms of difficulty, rather than necessarily that particular aria (it was just the first that came to mind as an example of super-human vocal acrobatics!)

 

I've always wondered what opera singers think of her. She's "just" a pop singer, after all. But clearly there are pop singers, and then there are pop singers. Clearly she's in a whole different league than the vast majority of them, from a technical perspective. So I wonder if opera singers take her seriously (purely from a musicianship perspective, not choice of material).

 

I’m sure with a solid years training and dedication, she could solidly attempt a lyric soprano piece, and in that heat of training she could secure up to a Soprano D, as for 90% of Soprano roles you only need C4-D6, Queen Of The Night being a more extreme role to play, possibly a full lyric role like Liù from Turandot or Micaëla from Carmen would be good choices. But considering her older age and her lack of experience compared to fully trained opera singers, she would need to be super careful about what roles she chose, for example, no way could she do a spinto role more than once or twice, it would wreck her

Edited May 17, 2020 at 09:33 PM by AdrienneM

[couldawouldashoulda]

You are easy to please. I mean how should we all agree to only hear the hits in every concert? Purely commercial choices but creativty lacking and do you really think i am the only one who thinks this way? For some reason if you talk negative about her some fans always always have to defend het choices and Tell this is what we should expect. And telling that she would lipsync those tracks.. isn't that sad thst one of the best singers in the world would not sing songs like these and that it would be normal for us to expect lipsync??

 

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It’s what legends do. Streisand does it. Whitney did it. Bette Midler does it. Cher does it. Tina Turner does it. Could you imagine going to a Streisand concert and not hearing The Way We Were it People or Evergreen or My Man? A Cher concert without If I Could Turn Back Time? Or I’ve Got You Babe or I Found Someone or After All or Believe. A Bette Midler concert without Wind Beneath My Wings or From A Distance or Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy or Friends or...the list for each artist goes on and on. Because they’ve been around a long time. So the audience expects certain songs. Diehard fans make up 1% of a legendary artists fan base. To make money and keep people coming back again and again, they have to sing the hits. That’s The Way It Is. You’ll realize this as you get older and follow more artists and see what happens to them all.

[Nmj]

 

 

Fair - but the best for you, or for her?

Because she could very well mean the latter.

 

 

I can’t see how it means “best is yet to come” when it should be “same old is still coming”.

If she considers to do the same thing, over and over again the “best”, then yes it’s still coming.

Edited May 17, 2020 at 11:47 PM by Nmj

[smw]

 

 

It’s what legends do. Streisand does it. Whitney did it. Bette Midler does it. Cher does it. Tina Turner does it. Could you imagine going to a Streisand concert and not hearing The Way We Were it People or Evergreen or My Man? A Cher concert without If I Could Turn Back Time? Or I’ve Got You Babe or I Found Someone or After All or Believe. A Bette Midler concert without Wind Beneath My Wings or From A Distance or Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy or Friends or...the list for each artist goes on and on. Because they’ve been around a long time. So the audience expects certain songs. Diehard fans make up 1% of a legendary artists fan base. To make money and keep people coming back again and again, they have to sing the hits. That’s The Way It Is. You’ll realize this as you get older and follow more artists and see what happens to them all.

 

Agreed!

 

With that said - it would be lovely for Celine to cater to her hardcore fan base every once in a while. This is where Mariah shines. For Celine, the huge tours and residencies should include her big hits & it will always be a pretty predictable set list.

 

However — I’d love to have a One Night Only taped concert of Celine singing all the songs from Courage. And I’d love for her to release shelved songs from years gone by. And I’d love for her to have a smaller tour where she only sings rare songs. Or at least another One Night Only where she sings all rare songs.

 

I think we are super lucky. Celine is in top form after MANY years in the business. She’s a classy, legendary queen. But I think she does cater to the masses way more than she caters to her biggest fans.

 

Regardless, I can see a lot of exciting things coming our way in the future. Celine Live in Central Park. Celine as a guest judge on RuPaul’s Drag Race. Celine performing again at the Oscars. Celine honored by the Grammys. And, of course, Celine dominating the Vegas strip once again.

[jepoi]

Are you well? Calm down and stop attacking people.

 

Where are the mods?

 

 

 

You just like to be a “***t”, as they like to say on your side of the pond, don’t you? Show me the video where she says it’s about music. We all know she doesn’t discuss music in interviews. So when she says “the best is you come” what makes you think it’s about music? You’ve got your own very interesting forum there, don’t you. SMFH

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Agreed!

 

With that said - it would be lovely for Celine to cater to her hardcore fan base every once in a while. This is where Mariah shines. For Celine, the huge tours and residencies should include her big hits & it will always be a pretty predictable set list.

 

However — I’d love to have a One Night Only taped concert of Celine singing all the songs from Courage. And I’d love for her to release shelved songs from years gone by. And I’d love for her to have a smaller tour where she only sings rare songs. Or at least another One Night Only where she sings all rare songs.

 

I think we are super lucky. Celine is in top form after MANY years in the business. She’s a classy, legendary queen. But I think she does cater to the masses way more than she caters to her biggest fans.

 

Regardless, I can see a lot of exciting things coming our way in the future. Celine Live in Central Park. Celine as a guest judge on RuPaul’s Drag Race. Celine performing again at the Oscars. Celine honored by the Grammys. And, of course, Celine dominating the Vegas strip once again.

 

As a big Mariah fan myself, it’s only really been in the past year or so that Mariah has started to cater to hardcore fans, from 1998-ish to 2018 the only changes in her set lists were the addition of her 3 new #1s, other than that, Mariah was very much in Celines position when it comes to songs for a Long time. Celine actually gave us in 2016/2017 what Mariah started to give in 2019 and 2020, so hopefully they can both continue that ASAP

[PuraVida]

 

 

As a big Mariah fan myself, it’s only really been in the past year or so that Mariah has started to cater to hardcore fans, from 1998-ish to 2018 the only changes in her set lists were the addition of her 3 new #1s, other than that, Mariah was very much in Celines position when it comes to songs for a Long time. Celine actually gave us in 2016/2017 what Mariah started to give in 2019 and 2020, so hopefully they can both continue that ASAP

 

You will know more than me, but my impression was that on social media, Twitter/IG, and in interviews, Mariah has acknowledged her vast catalogue for a lot longer than just the last couple of years. I take your word regarding performing the songs, but I seem to recall seeing Tweets from Mariah celebrating little known songs for a long time and mentioning them with fans.

[smw]

 

 

You will know more than me, but my impression was that on social media, Twitter/IG, and in interviews, Mariah has acknowledged her vast catalogue for a lot longer than just the last couple of years. I take your word regarding performing the songs, but I seem to recall seeing Tweets from Mariah celebrating little known songs for a long time and mentioning them with fans.

 

This is also what I was basing my opinion on — Mariah on social media.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

You will know more than me, but my impression was that on social media, Twitter/IG, and in interviews, Mariah has acknowledged her vast catalogue for a lot longer than just the last couple of years. I take your word regarding performing the songs, but I seem to recall seeing Tweets from Mariah celebrating little known songs for a long time and mentioning them with fans.

 

Oh yes, she mentions them in interviews (not without them being brought up first however, she’s quick to discuss her hits more than anything), but she’s never actually actively sang deep cuts until last year with her Glitter medley. From 2005-2018 her set list, other than switching to her Christmas one at Christmas, literally did not change at all

[Davey84]

Who wishes Courage were available on cassette, am I the the only one to be completely nuts about this cassette tapes revival thing ?

 

Made this for fun.

 

that would be soooo cool!!

[couldawouldashoulda]

Are you well? Calm down and stop attacking people.

 

Where are the mods?

 

That Shamrock dude has had it coming for years - he’s lucky that’s all he got. He’s as annoying as Javito.

[GIORGOS]

Greek charts updated , No 14

http://ifpi.gr/charts_el.html

[Xpresso]

Greek charts updated , No 14

http://ifpi.gr/charts_el.html

Interesting. Why is Courage going back up the charts in Greece?

[Shamrock_1982]

 

 

That Shamrock dude has had it coming for years - he’s lucky that’s all he got. He’s as annoying as Javito.

 

Reign it in and watch your mouth!

[Xpresso]

That Shamrock dude has had it coming for years - he's lucky that's all he got. He's as annoying as Javito.

Gasps were heard... and the forum went dead silent! Edited May 18, 2020 at 04:29 PM by Xpresso