"Courage" album - Official Topic

[rfkavanagh]

Which was really odd as in 1995 she did perform Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore on national TV in the US (at the Tonight Show with Jay Leno), while at that time she was less famous.

 

So indeed it was a pity that in 2016 they opted for an English song this time around, especially as there was so much attention to her at that time.

 

But, similarly in 1998 at the time of the S'il Suffisait d'Aimer album release, I don't quite understand why they did not promote this album with a performance, as she was touring the USA.

 

TSMGO played into the narrative she and her team were spinning and was much more appropriate to driving the image of Céline the survivor, and it worked well in the sense that it laid the groundwork for her current standing. May not have been a great song and I'm sure most of us would have preferred to hear something from EUS, but it makes sense from an image/PR/storytelling perspective.

 

In 1998, she was still touring off the back of LTAL and MHWGO which held far more mass appeal for the US market than anything in French. Sadly, you can't overstate how xenophobic the US mass market is in general. There are occasional one-offs that make a dent (usually one-hit wonders like the Macarena, or more recently crossovers from Latin pop), but even for an artist like Céline at the height of her fame, the US market for a French-language album was significantly lower.

 

It is interesting that they chose to promote PQTME on The Tonight Show in 1995 - at that point she was coming off her most successful album to that point (TCOML), and they were still building her into a true superstar. Plus, CDs still sold in the millions. May have been another image-building effort - Céline the international icon who has an even bigger global career than you realize. And PQTME was also a more mass-appealing style and genre.

 

Who knows how other choices may have worked out? Everything really comes down to the right song at the right time in the right place. (They seem to have given up on that lately!)

[ryba]

 

 

Just here to point out that Christine and the Queens was on Colbert last night singing IN FRENCH.

And I remind you that when Celine, the best-selling French-language artist EVER, was out promoting EUS, she showed up to late night TV to sing... The Show Must Go On. 🤦‍♀️

and nobody accused her of taking advantage of the current situation. Celine wouldn’t necessarily be criticised either if she appeared on TV I think Edited May 8, 2020 at 09:34 PM by ryba

[AdrienneM]

 

 

But now that she finally has the most appropriate song possible for these times (Courage), she isn’t allowed to sing it just so people don’t interpret it in a certain way?!

 

I think you’re missing the point. Of course she can sing a song. But people on here are expecting her to now go around, talking about her new album and how everyone should buy and purchase the album and it’s tracks and promoting her album like one would when it just came out on TV, which right now, is exactly what people are pointing out as greed and ignorant, which it is.

Edited May 8, 2020 at 09:45 PM by AdrienneM

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I think you’re missing the point. Of course she can sing a song. But people on here are expecting her to now go around, talking about her new album and how everyone should buy and purchase the album and it’s tracks and promoting her album like one would when it just came out on TV, which right now, is exactly what people are pointing out as greed and ignorant, which it is.

 

I think you’re missing the point.

 

Céline is a veteran. René taught her well: It’s all in the presentation. These younger artists haven’t learnt that yet. She’s not going to show up looking thirsty for sales, and if the Courage era has proven anything, it’s that she’s not interested in being pushy about her new music anyway.

 

René shaped her image from a young age how to handle these sensitive situations. As a teen, she sang at nursing homes and hospitals. Yes, it was to push album sales, but also to endear her to the public and inform them that she knows how to conduct herself.

 

Most importantly, she’s renowned public figure that people turn to in crisis. This is perhaps her best known character trait. That’s why people play her music at weddings and funerals. That’s why she gets asked to sing memorial tributes. It’s her thing.

[comingback]

 

 

Just here to point out that Christine and the Queens was on Colbert last night singing IN FRENCH.

And I remind you that when Celine, the best-selling French-language artist EVER, was out promoting EUS, she showed up to late night TV to sing... The Show Must Go On. 🤦‍♀️

Oh I remember that! Bad judgment call from Celine and her team.

 

 

Which was really odd as in 1995 she did perform Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore on national TV in the US (at the Tonight Show with Jay Leno), while at that time she was less famous.

 

So indeed it was a pity that in 2016 they opted for an English song this time around, especially as there was so much attention to her at that time.

 

But, similarly in 1998 at the time of the S'il Suffisait d'Aimer album release, I don't quite understand why they did not promote this album with a performance, as she was touring the USA.

 

I think most people know that Celine is French Canadian. In 1995 after her first No 1 TPOL, Sony tried to introduce her French music to the US puplic, which was not easy. Then on the LTAL tour in the US, she sang SISDA and some other French songs and people left the concert. That's why I think, she is a little bit reserved about her French music in the US.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 06:33 AM by comingback

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

 

 

I think most people know that Celine is French Canadian. In 1995 after her first No 1 TPOL, Sony tried to introduce her French music to the US puplic, which was not easy. Then on the LTAL tour in the US, she sang SISDA and some other French songs and people left the concert. That's why I think, she is a little bit reserved about her French music in the US.

 

Meanwhile “D’eux/The French Album” is still the best selling French language album in the US...ever.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I think you’re missing the point.

 

Céline is a veteran. René taught her well: It’s all in the presentation. These younger artists haven’t learnt that yet. She’s not going to show up looking thirsty for sales, and if the Courage era has proven anything, it’s that she’s not interested in being pushy about her new music anyway.

 

René shaped her image from a young age how to handle these sensitive situations. As a teen, she sang at nursing homes and hospitals. Yes, it was to push album sales, but also to endear her to the public and inform them that she knows how to conduct herself.

 

Most importantly, she’s renowned public figure that people turn to in crisis. This is perhaps her best known character trait. That’s why people play her music at weddings and funerals. That’s why she gets asked to sing memorial tributes. It’s her thing.

 

I find it hilarious you’re trying to say I’m missing the point when your entire essay you just submitted as a response missed my point, created it’s own point and proved... nothing.

 

What. I. Was. Saying. Was that she can’t go and promote everywhere and be like “hey everyone, buy my album it’s really good!” Which is what people on here want her to do. Not once did I say “she can’t sing that song because it’s greedy” I literally said the opposite In fact, when I said “no one said she can’t sing a song” there’s a blatant difference between singing Courage, as going on one of the social distancing late night shows to promote a new single or to promote the album, THATS what I’m talking about

[Del]

Everyone's telling me I won a Vinyl? For karaoke? What did I send and where? Was it me? Was I drunk??!!

This made me LOL. Best post I've seen in a long time.

 

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[Céline RO]

‘Céline Dion - Falling In Love Again (Official Audio)’ surpassed 1 million views on YouTube!

 

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I find it hilarious you’re trying to say I’m missing the point when your entire essay you just submitted as a response missed my point, created it’s own point and proved... nothing.

 

What. I. Was. Saying. Was that she can’t go and promote everywhere and be like “hey everyone, buy my album it’s really good!” Which is what people on here want her to do. Not once did I say “she can’t sing that song because it’s greedy” I literally said the opposite In fact, when I said “no one said she can’t sing a song” there’s a blatant difference between singing Courage, as going on one of the social distancing late night shows to promote a new single or to promote the album, THATS what I’m talking about

 

Geez, calm down. I wasn’t trying to start a fight with you, but clearly I triggered you. I guess by using the same tone and verbiage you did, I came off as rude and condescending. I apologize. My bad!

[weasley123]

By the way, I don’t know where to put this. But Diane Warren confirmed that she wrote more songs for Celine.

 

 

[Tom_London_Fan]

By the way, I don’t know where to put this. But Diane Warren confirmed that she wrote more songs for Celine.

 

 

 

You mean for the highlight anticipated upcoming Céline album to celebrate the end of her next Vegas run in 2025?

[scielle]

By the way, I don't know where to put this. But Diane Warren confirmed that she wrote more songs for Celine.

 

https://twitter.com/...1145368577?s=21

 

https://twitter.com/...1788084224?s=21

 

It's been discussed in the Diane Warren topic starting here: http://www.celinedionforum.com/topic/31315-diane-warren/page__st__30?do=findComment&comment=2383112

[weasley123]

 

 

You mean for the highlight anticipated upcoming Céline album to celebrate the end of her next Vegas run in 2025?

 

Lol.

[weasley123]

 

 

It's been discussed in the Diane Warren topic starting here: http://www.celinedionforum.com/topic/31315-diane-warren/page__st__30?do=findComment&comment=2383112

 

Yeah, I didn’t see that topic before. My bad.

[mebe]

For the week of May 5th to 11th in Quebec:

 

Top album sales

#4 Courage (+1)

[scielle]

 

Yeah, I didn’t see that topic before. My bad.

 

🙂 I figured there’s got to be a Diane topic on here somewhere, and sure enough there was.

 

But things like this have been said before - by her and others - and those songs never saw the light of day.

I do hope Team Celine get more with the times and gradually shift to releasing a steady stream of individual tracks, rather than an album every 5+ years.

[smw]

I really wish that -- somehow -- the Courage album would get another boost during this pandemic. It has so many songs that would bring people comfort.

 

Maybe it's up to the fans to resurrect it?

 

I was hoping they'd be posting more of those behind the scenes / making of the album videos... Hopefully SOON!

[jpatdeleon09]

I really wish that -- somehow -- the Courage album would get another boost during this pandemic. It has so many songs that would bring people comfort.

 

Maybe it's up to the fans to resurrect it?

 

I was hoping they'd be posting more of those behind the scenes / making of the album videos... Hopefully SOON!

 

The question is are the fans willing to resurrect it? LOL

It’s easy to say YES Haha

 

Are they even listening to the album now haha

 

Me, i am only listening consistently to 3-4 songs from Courage

 

I want to say they need to promote the album more but part of me says - How will they do that? The tour is already part of the promotion but postponed due to pandemic. Releasing a single, maybe?

Edited May 10, 2020 at 09:58 PM by jpatdeleon09

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

The question is are the fans willing to resurrect it? LOL

It’s easy to say YES Haha

 

Are they even listening to the album now haha

 

Me, i am only listening consistently to 3-4 songs from Courage

 

I want to say they need to promote the album more but part of me says - How will they do that? The tour is already part of the promotion but postponed due to pandemic. Releasing a single, maybe?

 

Oh my gosh, I listen to this album my CONSTANTLY. I think I’m annoying the hell out of my husband. I Flove this album. And unfortunately there’s nothing anyone can do to promote this album right now. There’s a pandemic going on. (Pink lipped laughing emoji.)

[guigafs15]

I think I'm gonna be kill for saying this, but I'm already over it Courage.😳

I listen to three or four songs every now and then, and that's it.

 

And for me it's not about promotion. It's just that this kinda of pop get old really quickly. Plus, I can't stand those processed vocals, sort of metallic or whatever the technical term is.

 

What is funny it's that, after 13 years, I still listen to Taking Chances constantly. And the fans seems to hate that album. I guess I'm just weird.

Edited May 11, 2020 at 01:31 AM by guigafs15

[Nmj]

I think I'm gonna be kill for saying this, but I'm already over it Courage.😳

I listen to three or four songs every now and then, and that's it.

 

And for me it's not about promotion. It's just that this kinda of pop get old really quickly. Plus, I can't stand those processed vocals, sort of metallic or whatever the technical term is.

 

What is funny it's that, after 13 years, I still listen to Taking Chances constantly. And the fans seems to hate that album. I guess I'm just weird.

 

That’s me Lol. Not a fan of TC or LMBTL albums.. hardly ever listen to them. But I listen to “Courage” often. Lack of promotion is the only thing about this era and album that sucked. My favorites still are ANDHC, FIY and OH.

Edited May 11, 2020 at 02:27 AM by Nmj

[Fanxiaoqiang]

‘Céline Dion - Falling In Love Again (Official Audio)’ surpassed 1 million views on YouTube!

 

https://youtu.be/PASAYTTLZDQ

 

 

BTW

Falling In Love Again (Official Audio)’ surpassed 2 million views on SPO

[SuperLove4Celine]

I think I'm gonna be kill for saying this, but I'm already over it Courage.😳

I listen to three or four songs every now and then, and that's it.

 

And for me it's not about promotion. It's just that this kinda of pop get old really quickly. Plus, I can't stand those processed vocals, sort of metallic or whatever the technical term is.

 

What is funny it's that, after 13 years, I still listen to Taking Chances constantly. And the fans seems to hate that album. I guess I'm just weird.

 

I finally got around to buying and listening to the album a week or so ago. To me, it’s her most forgettable piece of work to date. There are a handful of songs I like, but after one listen through, I have little desire to play it again. I can now fully understand why hardly any songs from it are present in the tour’s setlist. Sure, I may play “Imperfections,” “Heart Of Glass,” or “Falling In Love Again” here and there, but nowhere close to the amount of times I’ve HAD - yes, HAD - to replay songs to no end like: “Fade Away,” “Somebody Loves Somebody,” “Then You Look At Me,” and “Prayer” (from “A New Day Has Come”).

 

I’d be more than okay with the “Courage” era ending with COVID-19, and Celine moving on to other projects she’d be far more passionate about doing and promoting. It’s clear the dedication for “Courage” died a long time ago even before the album released.

[smw]

That's me Lol. Not a fan of TC or LMBTL albums.. hardly ever listen to them. But I listen to "Courage" often. Lack of promotion is the only thing about this era and album that sucked. My favorites still are ANDHC, FIY and OH.

 

TC and LMBTL are also some of my least favorite English albums. I like tracks on both of them -- but they did not live up to A New Day Has Come.

 

It's clear that she spent so much time choosing and recording the songs for Courage. It's her most cohesive and personal English album, and how lucky are we, as fans, to get that so far into her career!

 

Very proud of her, and I'm hoping for more of those recording studio clips soon.

[Céline RO]

I think I'm gonna be kill for saying this, but I'm already over it Courage.

I listen to three or four songs every now and then, and that's it.

 

And for me it's not about promotion. It's just that this kinda of pop get old really quickly. Plus, I can't stand those processed vocals, sort of metallic or whatever the technical term is.

 

What is funny it's that, after 13 years, I still listen to Taking Chances constantly. And the fans seems to hate that album. I guess I'm just weird.

 

I adore Taking Chances (and LMBTL) but I also love Courage

[giannislyber]

Courage re-enters the Greek Album Chart this week at number 28 Edited May 11, 2020 at 07:14 PM by giannislyber

[comingback]

I'm not a fan of TC and Courage,but I like LMBTL.

[scielle]

NY Times: Kenny Chesney’s No. 1 Album Reopens Debate Over Ticket Bundles

 

"Chesney’s new album, “Here and Now,” had the equivalent of 233,000 sales in the United States, and was credited with moving 222,000 copies as a complete package, according to Nielsen Music. The album had just 13 million streams — the lowest for a No. 1 album since Celine Dion’s “Courage” late last year, which reached the top with 3.8 million streams (and a ticket bundle)."

 

I'm just still stunned that for an album with so much back story, and so much to market, Team Celine / Sony barely lifted a finger to get Courage out there. One dinky TV appearance (in the Fri night slot-of-death, if I recall correctly!), no magazine stories, no radio interviews... nada. It's all just so odd.

[Nmj]

NY Times: Kenny Chesney’s No. 1 Album Reopens Debate Over Ticket Bundles

 

"Chesney’s new album, “Here and Now,” had the equivalent of 233,000 sales in the United States, and was credited with moving 222,000 copies as a complete package, according to Nielsen Music. The album had just 13 million streams — the lowest for a No. 1 album since Celine Dion’s “Courage” late last year, which reached the top with 3.8 million streams (and a ticket bundle)."

 

I'm just still stunned that for an album with so much back story, and so much to market, Team Celine / Sony barely lifted a finger to get Courage out there. One dinky TV appearance (in the Fri night slot-of-death, if I recall correctly!), no magazine stories, no radio interviews... nada. It's all just so odd.

 

It’ll be interesting to see what they do in the future with her English albums. They’ve written her off as a live act, used her as a cash machine, for live performances in Vegas and tours and now with that avenue taking a hit for lord knows how long, I wonder if they will start to base more attention to albums, or if she will even record new music in the next couple years or just take a break until the touring world is back in full swing again.

 

I’m guessing she will just take an unplanned hiatus and prep for finishing the tour and then taking residency in Vegas again after. Either way, I hope she really takes her time getting her artistic juices flowing again... for future projects.

Edited May 12, 2020 at 04:14 AM by Nmj