"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Kyle_Jared]

I adore Imperfections. I think it's her best english single in years. And I think it sounded great live.

[LukeD]

Months after the album release the songs that I appreciate the most - in no particular order - are:

 

1. Imperfections

2. Change My Mind

3. For the Lover that I Lost

4. Perfect Goodbye

5. Heart of Glass

[couldawouldashoulda]

I’m still loving Courage. I think it’s by far her best album since ANDHC. (Always reminding y’all that I’ve only listened to tracks 1-13 and 16. That’s *my* Courage album.) The only song I don’t enjoy/sometimes skip is Baby. But, if I’m listening to the entire album, I don’t really skip it cuz it works in the flow of tracks. My favorites change but FOMO, I, CMM, C and LD are probably my favorite favorites.

[joaofilho]

I know this is not part of the topic, but Maria Carey fans got together and managed to put one more album of hers back on top of I Tunes in the USA, this time it was E = MC, I'm just writing how close they are together in a cause.

We could do the same with Celine, we could put the Courage album back on top.

[Kyle_Jared]

I know this is not part of the topic, but Maria Carey fans got together and managed to put one more album of hers back on top of I Tunes in the USA, this time it was E = MC, I'm just writing how close they are together in a cause.

We could do the same with Celine, we could put the Courage album back on top.

 

Mariah's album is also $4.99, lol. Courage is $16.99. There would have to be a significant decrease in $$. Cheap tactics is what Mariah used back in the day to get singles to #1 too. And it's obvious because the 'success' on the singles charts doesn't translate to people showing up at her concerts. Compared to Celine what she attracts in terms of numbers is sad.

[jpatdeleon09]

I know this is not part of the topic, but Maria Carey fans got together and managed to put one more album of hers back on top of I Tunes in the USA, this time it was E = MC, I'm just writing how close they are together in a cause.

We could do the same with Celine, we could put the Courage album back on top.

 

MC was even surprised that it became number 1 on iTunes Albums in USA. Honestly, she has the best fans out there (Super delusional obsessed fans) lol

[LukeD]

I know this is not part of the topic, but Maria Carey fans got together and managed to put one more album of hers back on top of I Tunes in the USA, this time it was E = MC, I'm just writing how close they are together in a cause.

We could do the same with Celine, we could put the Courage album back on top.

This is very forced and screams desperation. A bunch of deluded fans, who feel the success of their idol is their own success, are manipulating album charts. Guarantee nobody else will care if her album re-enters the charts. Only thing these people win is a short-lived sense of validation and maybe an argument for when they debate her record sales against fans of other Divas. It is sad, really. Edited April 28, 2020 at 02:54 PM by LukeD

[Ajax]

This is very forced and screams desperation. A bunch of deluded fans, who feel the success of their idol is their own success, are manipulating album charts. Guarantee nobody else will care if her album re-enters the charts. Only thing these people win is a short-lived sense of validation and maybe an argument for when they debate her record sales against fans of other Divas. It is sad, really.

 

Exactly

It sounds desperate and out of place. And at the end it just highlights stupids behaviors and the chase of a past glory.

Ultimately I guess Celine would tell us to invest our money in better things especially in this contexte.

[browseceline]

 

I really hope not. The song is not melodic enough and too repetitive in my opinion, much like many pop songs nowadays. It has no melody changes, no key changes, no real climax. I also can’t stand that finger clicking. I’d much prefer Céline to sing more of those grandiose, David Foster type of songs in the future. True masterpieces.

Me neither..it is not timeless like her 90s ballads. songs like these sound dated quite fast

 

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[ryba]

Let’s try something: let’s take a great song, e.g. Heart of glass, but it, stream the hell out of it and make it climb to no. 1 to „force“ them to officially release it as s single and further promote it. It would have the same effect as Imperfections, cause people loved it.

[jpatdeleon09]

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[Shamrock_1982]

Let’s try something: let’s take a great song, e.g. Heart of glass, but it, stream the hell out of it and make it climb to no. 1 to „force“ them to officially release it as s single and further promote it. It would have the same effect as Imperfections, cause people loved it.

 

You have fun with that lol.

[smw]

I'm thankful that these reaction videos help to keep the album alive.

 

I'm looking forward to more recording the Courage album / being the scenes videos!

 

 

Also -- did anyone else see that the Lambs got Mariah's 2008 album to #1 on iTunes recently ? WE SHOULD DO THIS TOO with Celine's albums. We have power! And we can give credit to the Lambs for coming up with the idea so we don't get shade for "copying" them. #90sDivasUnite

 

By getting her Courage album to #1 on iTunes again -- it really could be a lovely way for us, as Celine's fans, to show her how much WE care about her music and her success. It would definitely get her attention and perhaps reignite the flame for her to keep pushing the album herself.

Edited April 28, 2020 at 11:15 PM by smw

[scielle]

let's take a great song, e.g. Heart of glass

 

Highly debatable!

 

 

In all seriousness though, a lot of people throw around iTunes charts as if it meant something. It doesn't.

Downloads are <5% of the industry and it takes very little to get to the top of download charts.

 

e.g. One of our top artists (a household name and very in at the moment) recently released an album that debuted at #4 on Billboard 200 and #2 on US iTunes.

It only took 11k downloads to get there (in a competitive week so downloads were already unusually high that week).

It's currently hovering around the top 10 and doing <1k units per week.

 

And if we're talking about something reaching top 10 on iTunes charts in smaller markets, it can get there with literally a handful of albums sold.

 

Bottom line: iTunes charts are largely inconsequential.

We don't even forecast downloads in our financials anymore because the market is near non-existent and has basically no impact on overall charting or sales.

[Thinktwicefan]

Highly debatable!

 

 

In all seriousness though, a lot of people throw around iTunes charts as if it meant something. It doesn't.

Downloads are <5% of the industry and it takes very little to get to the top of download charts.

 

e.g. One of our top artists (a household name and very in at the moment) recently released an album that debuted at #4 on Billboard 200 and #2 on US iTunes.

It only took 11k downloads to get there (in a competitive week so downloads were already unusually high that week).

It's currently hovering around the top 10 and doing <1k units per week.

 

And if we're talking about something reaching top 10 on iTunes charts in smaller markets, it can get there with literally a handful of albums sold.

 

Bottom line: iTunes charts are largely inconsequential.

We don't even forecast downloads in our financials anymore because the market is near non-existent and has basically no impact on overall charting or sales.

 

Hi Scielle - i don't post on here very often, but your post was very insightful. in that case, what is consequential? is it streaming? Many people have Apple Music - if i have downloaded a song on Apple Music and repeatedly play it, does it get included in the charts? thanks.

[scielle]

Hi Scielle - i don't post on here very often, but your post was very insightful. in that case, what is consequential? is it streaming? Many people have Apple Music - if i have downloaded a song on Apple Music and repeatedly play it, does it get included in the charts? thanks.

 

Streaming saved the industry from a complete meltdown, and is by far the primary and only growing source of revenue and main contributor to charts.

It now represents about 55-60% of revenues (+/- a few % points depending on the strength of physical releases in the quarter), physical is ~15-20%, downloads ~5%, and other (artist services like a % of touring, merch, sponsorship) make up the rest.

 

Downloads are declining at ~30% /year, physical declining at ~10% /year, streaming was up 25-30% /year in the last 2 years, and is projected at +15% /year for the next few years. (This is all global; obviously differs a lot by market.)

 

This is all for the recorded music side of the business. Publishing will be somewhat different.

 

For streaming conversion ratios, see my post here. And yes, offline listening on streaming platforms counts.

Edited April 29, 2020 at 04:24 AM by scielle

[PuraVida]

Streaming saved the industry from a complete meltdown, and is by far the primary and only growing source of revenue and main contributor to charts.

It now represents about 55-60% of revenues (+/- a few % points depending on the strength of physical releases in the quarter), physical is ~15-20%, downloads ~5%, and other (artist services like a % of touring, merch, sponsorship) make up the rest.

 

Downloads are declining at ~30% /year, physical declining at ~10% /year, streaming was up 25-30% /year in the last 2 years, and is projected at +15% /year for the next few years. (This is all global; obviously differs a lot by market.)

 

This is all for the recorded music side of the business. Publishing will be somewhat different.

 

For streaming conversion ratios, see my post here. And yes, offline listening on streaming platforms counts.

 

May I be so bold as to ask why the industry was heading for a meltdown? Weren't people still consuming music? Or were artists not being reimbursed enough for downloads?

 

Thanks in advance!

[guigafs15]

It's funny how people here feel really threatened by Mariah, even now days, when doesn't even make sense anymore (Celine is in another place). You can feel the resentment in the words😅.

 

And although it's true that the amount of sells on iTunes is far insignificant, is also true that iTunes chart still impacts the media. And I don't think it's that simple to reach. Courage, for instance, peak at #3.

 

I don't care much for Mariah but congratulations to her and her fans. She's a true legend and we all know how hard it is for artists like her and Celine to reach any chart at all this days.

 

[Thinktwicefan]

Streaming saved the industry from a complete meltdown, and is by far the primary and only growing source of revenue and main contributor to charts.

It now represents about 55-60% of revenues (+/- a few % points depending on the strength of physical releases in the quarter), physical is ~15-20%, downloads ~5%, and other (artist services like a % of touring, merch, sponsorship) make up the rest.

 

Downloads are declining at ~30% /year, physical declining at ~10% /year, streaming was up 25-30% /year in the last 2 years, and is projected at +15% /year for the next few years. (This is all global; obviously differs a lot by market.)

 

This is all for the recorded music side of the business. Publishing will be somewhat different.

 

For streaming conversion ratios, see my post here. And yes, offline listening on streaming platforms counts.

Thanks, Scielle - appreciate the answers. Do you work in the music industry? It's nice to get some factual information here. I find it sad that the music industry is manipulated in the way that it is now. People unwitingly don't realise that they are listening to music that is thrown to them as opposed to them choosing it. For example on Spotify, people rely on music lists. At least, when people bought CDs, they made a choice with their money...

[smw]

It's funny how people here feel really threatened by Mariah, even now days, when doesn't even make sense anymore (Celine is in another place). You can feel the resentment in the words😅.

 

And although it's true that the amount of sells on iTunes is far insignificant, is also true that iTunes chart still impacts the media. And I don't think it's that simple to reach. Courage, for instance, peak at #3.

 

I don't care much for Mariah but congratulations to her and her fans. She's a true legend and we all know how hard it is for artists like her and Celine to reach any chart at all this days.

 

If you’re referring to my post, I actually greatly admire Mariah. I grew up with her music and listened to her iconic Music Box album today!

 

I thought it was amazing that her fans made that #1 iTunes position happen for her. And I want us, as Céline fans, to do the same.

 

But if we don’t give Mariah fans credit for coming up with the idea in the first place — we’d be eaten alive! That’s just the reality.

 

I don’t feel threatened or any resentment — But, rather, I feel INSPIRED by this accomplishment.

 

Like I mentioned above...

 

#90sDivasUnite

Edited April 29, 2020 at 09:27 AM by smw

[jpatdeleon09]

It's funny how people here feel really threatened by Mariah, even now days, when doesn't even make sense anymore (Celine is in another place). You can feel the resentment in the words😅.

 

And although it's true that the amount of sells on iTunes is far insignificant, is also true that iTunes chart still impacts the media. And I don't think it's that simple to reach. Courage, for instance, peak at #3.

 

I don't care much for Mariah but congratulations to her and her fans. She's a true legend and we all know how hard it is for artists like her and Celine to reach any chart at all this days.

 

I don’t think Céline fans are threatened by Mariah. Well, whose fan likes to make video comparisons of their idol to other singers (Mostly biased picking the worst performances) and bashes them. It’s Mariah’s fans. Like they’re trying to prove something that others can’t see lol

 

Even if they make a video about céline’s worst performances, exposing her pre recorded tracks. Yup! They’re the first one to make it. (unlike them. They’re hiding it).

 

Mariah is great but her fans are just DELUSIONAL.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 at 09:24 AM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

. Edited April 29, 2020 at 09:23 AM by jpatdeleon09

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Highly debatable!

 

 

In all seriousness though, a lot of people throw around iTunes charts as if it meant something. It doesn't.

Downloads are <5% of the industry and it takes very little to get to the top of download charts.

 

e.g. One of our top artists (a household name and very in at the moment) recently released an album that debuted at #4 on Billboard 200 and #2 on US iTunes.

It only took 11k downloads to get there (in a competitive week so downloads were already unusually high that week).

It's currently hovering around the top 10 and doing <1k units per week.

 

And if we're talking about something reaching top 10 on iTunes charts in smaller markets, it can get there with literally a handful of albums sold.

 

Bottom line: iTunes charts are largely inconsequential.

We don't even forecast downloads in our financials anymore because the market is near non-existent and has basically no impact on overall charting or sales.

 

Who is the artist?

[scielle]

Who is the artist?

 

Ha, nice try! I obviously can't disclose confidential info, so rounded figures on a no-names basis is the best you're gonna get!

 

Anyway, nice to see Team Celine remember the album. I wish they had used an excerpt of her dance interlude from the tour though. More people need to see it!

 

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[Bruno Portugal]

With no tour soon Celine and her Team can/must promote this great album. Release the Lying Down music video next, please...

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Ha, nice try! I obviously can't disclose confidential info, so rounded figures on a no-names basis is the best you're gonna get!

 

Anyway, nice to see Team Celine remember the album. I wish they had used an excerpt of her dance interlude from the tour though. More people need to see it!

 

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But...the charts are public lol.

[mirage]

This was the best opportunity to show her dance moves.

But ah well, what else is new

 

 

 

Anyway, nice to see Team Celine remember the album. I wish they had used an excerpt of her dance interlude from the tour though. More people need to see it!

 

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[Raymustgo-on]

Anyone know what's happening with MHWGO? Seems to be climbing up the charts. Big jumps in UK and Ireland. I reckon we should take her song back to #1

[scielle]

May I be so bold as to ask why the industry was heading for a meltdown? Weren't people still consuming music? Or were artists not being reimbursed enough for downloads?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

After the peak in late '90s/ early '00s, the industry was on a perpetual decline for over 15 years (Celine came around at the perfect time!). Downloads never came close to replacing lost revenue from physical sales in the post-Napster world of rampant piracy. Industry only started to show growth again around '15/'16 (at which point revenues were about 40% down from the '99 peak). Only now is it starting to get back to the levels from about 20 years ago, thanks to the uptake in subscription streaming. And subscription is the operative word there, since ad-supported streaming is not really profitable.

Spotify is still running losses pretty much every quarter, and their future profitability depends on the ability to convert ad-supported users to paid subscribers, as well as content diversification (hence the entry into podcasts via several high-profile acquisitions). Apple Music and Amazon are lucky in that they can use their streaming business as a loss leader since they make their real money selling iPhones / everything else, so they're not as dependent on sub conversion.

 

Thanks, Scielle - appreciate the answers. Do you work in the music industry? It's nice to get some factual information here. I find it sad that the music industry is manipulated in the way that it is now. People unwitingly don't realise that they are listening to music that is thrown to them as opposed to them choosing it. For example on Spotify, people rely on music lists. At least, when people bought CDs, they made a choice with their money...

 

I work at a major label, yes.

And I don't know if the industry is, as you say "more manipulated" now than it was in the past. Now it's all about getting on the key streaming playlists, whereas in the past it was about getting on radio playlists. Different audience (then it was radio programmers / DJs, now it's playlist curators), but more or less same process.

And I for one appreciate the current state of things. Much more conducive to discovery. Before, you had to commit and many people ended up limiting their listening to one genre. You had the goth kids, and the pop kids, the rap kids, the grunge kids... You could only buy so many CDs per year. Now, you can be exposed to so much more breadth, across artists, genres, languages. People are much more omnivorous in their listening habits and have greater appreciation for a wide variety of material. And that, in my books, is a very good thing.

 

But...the charts are public lol.

Ya, but daily download unit sales, by platform, aren't (as far as I'm aware). So like I said, no names basis. Those so inclined can try to put 2+2 together (assuming you pick the correct week ).

Edited April 30, 2020 at 12:46 AM by scielle

[Nando Férri]

Anyone know what's happening with MHWGO? Seems to be climbing up the charts. Big jumps in UK and Ireland. I reckon we should take her song back to #1

It’s getting popular on TikToK.