"Courage" album - Official Topic

[deccan]

You spoiled children are always not satisfied. 1,the result OF streaming is nothing about promotion, it's about younger people. 2,We got most successful And great album for almost 20 years. 3, there are long time for next, tour has just begun for 2 months let's wait and see. don't turn yourself into some wise men working in sony, you will lose surprise if you always hold doubt thoughts or busy blaming on marketing strategy.

 

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[Nmj]

You spoiled children are always not satisfied. 1,the result OF streaming is nothing about promotion, it's about younger people. 2,We got most successful And great album for almost 20 years. 3, there are long time for next, tour has just begun for 2 months let's wait and see. don't turn yourself into some wise men working in sony, you will lose surprise if you always hold doubt thoughts or busy blaming on marketing strategy.

 

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Spoiled Children?! Even if we were “children” when it comes to promotion as Celine fans we have never been “spoiled”

[Xpresso]

 

 

Team Celine--Co managers--Sony--You reading this?

No we aren't!

[browseceline]

You spoiled children are always not satisfied. 1,the result OF streaming is nothing about promotion, it's about younger people. 2,We got most successful And great album for almost 20 years. 3, there are long time for next, tour has just begun for 2 months let's wait and see. don't turn yourself into some wise men working in sony, you will lose surprise if you always hold doubt thoughts or busy blaming on marketing strategy.

 

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I am sorry - but of course we are not satisfied!!! She starts a Courage tour which is actually a greatest hits tour in disquise. As a real fan you would like to hear new music from your idol. Not the umpteenth same setlist as it has been for many many years. Of course most of us in here are dissapointed or pissed of that it goes the same route again. Don't call a tour courage when you have nothing to promote from that album.

Imperfections seemed to be a good choice but not if Lying Down is cut. Beisdes, this album has so many great songs that will work so well on stage!

Edited November 27, 2019 at 06:17 PM by browseceline

[beelee]

Hopefully the album will be discounted in stores and online for Black Friday.

 

The deluxe version price is a bit high for casual music fans.

[DionFanAlways]

 

Instead we got "Courage" and "Lying Down" 2 of 20 songs in her COURAGE WORLD TOUR, then she FINALLY Adds "Imperfections" which should've been in this tour since day one........ but comes with a cost; we lose "Lying Down". It's like in Celine-land it's a law to not have more than 2 songs from the album on the tour, it's truly baffling.

This!

Yep she has a limit that she can't go over so she can only do 2 songs at a time, lol........ N.O.T. funny Celine!

[Xpresso]

I agree that 2 songs from Courage is not enough. However, I doubt it has much of an effect on sales.

I think she wouldn't really sell more albums by performing more Courage songs on tour. I guess I'll be attacked for this comment.

[Jeanette]

Hard to reach younger audiences is not impossible. I was watching some reaction videos from Cleine's new album on Youtube, there are a lot of young people who don't know her and they are surprised that her voice and her new album is so good, some of these young people said they didn't even know her and never listened. from Celine.

So the game is working, they just need a little more disclosure, it needs to appear more on TV and cttar their new songs.

What I don't understand is that the people who bought the tickets are not redeeming their CDs, they have no interest in Celine's new music.

 

My take on it is this, although the ‘Dionaissance’ has been great for resurrecting her career and of course brilliant for us, her die hard fans, to finally see her getting the adulation, respect and legend status that she so deserves, it is also in a way proving to be a bit of a curse, purely from the standpoint that these newly found fans are only interested in ‘Classic 90’s Celine’, they are just catching up to her and only want the old hits of the past. They are not at all interested in her new music and this is why I think she feels stuck with performing all her old hits time and again in her shows. After all, she always promoted her new albums on tours in the past before this new found love of all things ‘old Celine’. She certainly did enough songs from TC throughout that tour.

 

I also don’t necessarily agree that she herself needs to make TV appearances to promote this album. After all, she has more than 22 million people who like/follow her fb page and a few million people following her on IG so I’m sure that all that digital promotion should have been enough to get the message out there that Celine has new music out. She has also been saying in every interview since forever, it seems that she had a new album coming in November. It just seems apparent to me that the bulk of these social media followers and new fans are only interested in the Celine of the 90’s.

 

I wish it was different as I really expected this album to sell by the millions with her riding on her new found crest of a wave but upon reflection and on the basis of the sales, as annoying as it is, it is clear that all the people now loving her and buying concert tickets in their droves clearly are only interested in the Celine of yesteryear.

 

I do hope I’m wrong and that we will now begin to see a fair few new songs get introduced to the setlist now that the album’s out but it wouldn’t surprise me if we only get a maximum of 2 or 3 at any one time, rotated around throughout the run.

[DionFanAlways]

I agree that 2 songs from Courage is not enough. However, I doubt it has much of an effect on sales.

I think she wouldn't really sell more albums by performing more Courage songs on tour. I guess I'll be attacked for this comment.

No I agree about sales but how about treating the fans to the new album with songs sung from it. (cough cough, #couragetour) I could care less about sales and the position she's in on charts. I'm talking solely on the fact that I would love to hear the damn songs being performed that she said she LOVES!

[smw]

Since Celine has the #1 album right now, I wish Billboard & Rolling Stone would post on Instagram about her accomplishment.

 

If they don’t post about her now, then when?!

[Unisono]

I think that Map To My Heart and The Reason I Go On could easily be part of the track list of Courage... I'm amazed with what she did with Map To My Heart...

[AdrienneM]

Wow... Celines fallen to #150 on the Rolling Stones chart with only 3,200 units sold so far this week. Shes gonna be off the Hot 100 I think, if not in the 150-200 range... she will then have the title of greatest chart drop of all time

[homerton]

Promotion is a mess. In the uk it’s non existent. I am not happy she’s singing same old songs. It’s ridiculous. Another concert same old songs. Come on!!! The album is good but I find some of it a bit dull. Perhaps it’ll grow on me. Unlike Adhc I loved that immediately

[homerton]

Wow... Celines fallen to #150 on the Rolling Stones chart with only 3,200 units sold so far this week. Shes gonna be off the Hot 100 I think, if not in the 150-200 range... she will then have the title of greatest chart drop of all time

the album is a flop if this happens. A total flop. Selling 200 hundred copies then dropping. Total mess

[Your_Su_Phu]

That chart builds so her position will inevitably rise throughout the week. The album market is also immensely diminished from 2013

[smw]

Forbes:

 

https://www.forbes.c...m/#bf8d2b20682d

 

 

Billboard:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZLDRave7vE

Edited November 27, 2019 at 08:39 PM by smw

[homerton]

 

 

I am sorry - but of course we are not satisfied!!! She starts a Courage tour which is actually a greatest hits tour in disquise. As a real fan you would like to hear new music from your idol. Not the umpteenth same setlist as it has been for many many years. Of course most of us in here are dissapointed or pissed of that it goes the same route again. Don't call a tour courage when you have nothing to promote from that album.

Imperfections seemed to be a good choice but not if Lying Down is cut. Beisdes, this album has so many great songs that will work so well on stage!

I agree. It’s a mess. René was a master and she needs new management. Called courage. It’s the same old set for years. Vegas on tour. I’m fuming this is the set list.

[smw]

. Edited November 27, 2019 at 08:37 PM by smw

[AdrienneM]

the album is a flop if this happens. A total flop. Selling 200 hundred copies then dropping. Total mess

 

Selling just over 125,000 copies of an album, with zero promo, over 38 years into her career (29 into her english one) in the streaming era, as an older female is incredible. In the first week shes sold over 250,000 pure sales worldwide, which, due to the factors I mentioned above makes this release incredible. HOWEVER, I wont deny its sad and disappointing to see the drop she will experience

[homerton]

 

 

Selling just over 125,000 copies of an album, with zero promo, over 38 years into her career (29 into her english one) in the streaming era, as an older female is incredible. In the first week shes sold over 250,000 pure sales worldwide, which, due to the factors I mentioned above makes this release incredible. HOWEVER, I wont deny its sad and disappointing to see the drop she will experience

the uk has had no promotion other than one interview.

[sarit_celine]

Yes. Amazon (both physical and digital), iTunes, their various offshoots, in-store retail, TEAs (track-equivalent albums; 10 track downloads = 1 album), SEAs (streaming equivalent albums; 1,250 subscription streams = 1 album, 3,750 ad-supported streams = 1 album, 3,750 video streams = 1 album).

 

And it's not Billboard, technically. They use SoundScan, Nielsen's data and analytics division, which they're in the process of acquiring. (Well, actually, Billboard owner Valence Media is, but in any case, once the transaction is closed SoundScan will effectively be Billboard.)

 

RollingStone uses a different data source (BuzzAngle), but a similar methodology.

 

Thanks for that

[Xpresso]

the album is a flop if this happens. A total flop. Selling 200 hundred copies then dropping. Total mess

If you follow music charts just a little, you'll see that all artists that use that ticket bundle do experience a huge drop in week 2. And it's even worse for veteran acts due to lack of streaming.

And on top of it, it's November where tons of new albums come out for the holidays. Hopefully Sony will pick a quieter period to release her next album!

Edited November 27, 2019 at 08:54 PM by Xpresso

[sarit_celine]

You are given the choice to either bundle or not. You just then have to redeem the album afterwards. You can still buy a ticket and choose not to get the album with it.

 

Then I have no idea why fans wrote the opposite thing, I'm glad to know that, thanks

[homerton]

 

 

Selling just over 125,000 copies of an album, with zero promo, over 38 years into her career (29 into her english one) in the streaming era, as an older female is incredible. In the first week shes sold over 250,000 pure sales worldwide, which, due to the factors I mentioned above makes this release incredible. HOWEVER, I wont deny its sad and disappointing to see the drop she will experience

the uk has had no promotion other than one interview.

[Xpresso]

the uk has had no promotion other than one interview.

As mentioned earlier in this thread, she was supposed to go to the UK but didn't due to the rescheduled shows in Montreal. Hopefully they are planning something very soon.

[smw]

Remember y'all --

 

Instead of complaining / wishing we had more promo...

We have a lot more power than we realize via social media.

Get on Instagram, Twitter, etc. and request more Celine Dion content from Billboard, Rolling Stone, etc. right now since Celine Dion is still listed as #1!

Billboard posted the Hot 100 chart on Instagram but conviniently never posted the Billboard 200. We can make requests / demands and go to bat for our Queen.

Mariah fans (and Mariah herself!) are relentless about promoting their queen -- now is the time for us to do the same! Enough of this humble stuff!

 

USE YOUR POWER, Celine Dion fans!

 

If we are truly concerned that Celine is gonna drop out of the charts super fast -- go and like, share, post, request, demand!!!

She'll never get huge streaming numbers but we can still get the attention of folks who might buy her album.

The parade will help but we can help too.

Edited November 27, 2019 at 09:03 PM by smw

[Shaun]

Even though I know Sony specifically did the tour bundle in the USA because they know she doesn’t stream or sell well digitally and added to the fact that the physical market is basically dead, it’s still depressing to see those sales numbers for week 2.

[comingback]

My take on it is this, although the 'Dionaissance' has been great for resurrecting her career and of course brilliant for us, her die hard fans, to finally see her getting the adulation, respect and legend status that she so deserves, it is also in a way proving to be a bit of a curse, purely from the standpoint that these newly found fans are only interested in 'Classic 90's Celine', they are just catching up to her and only want the old hits of the past. They are not at all interested in her new music and this is why I think she feels stuck with performing all her old hits time and again in her shows. After all, she always promoted her new albums on tours in the past before this new found love of all things 'old Celine'. She certainly did enough songs from TC throughout that tour.

 

I also don't necessarily agree that she herself needs to make TV appearances to promote this album. After all, she has more than 22 million people who like/follow her fb page and a few million people following her on IG so I'm sure that all that digital promotion should have been enough to get the message out there that Celine has new music out. She has also been saying in every interview since forever, it seems that she had a new album coming in November. It just seems apparent to me that the bulk of these social media followers and new fans are only interested in the Celine of the 90's.

 

I wish it was different as I really expected this album to sell by the millions with her riding on her new found crest of a wave but upon reflection and on the basis of the sales, as annoying as it is, it is clear that all the people now loving her and buying concert tickets in their droves clearly are only interested in the Celine of yesteryear.

 

I do hope I'm wrong and that we will now begin to see a fair few new songs get introduced to the setlist now that the album's out but it wouldn't surprise me if we only get a maximum of 2 or 3 at any one time, rotated around throughout the run.

 

As a big Celine fan since the 90s, I'm so disappointed with the Courage era. Even TC and LMBTL were better.

The production of the album is bad (Heart of Glass sounds like a bad mp3) and her pronunciation is horrible (sometimes is hard to understand what she says), It's sad, because the songs are not bad.

So I will listen to the ATW album and miss the 90s.

Edited November 27, 2019 at 09:25 PM by comingback

[mirage]

Let's do this!!!

 

And for her promoting her album during the show. Does she talk about it?

Do they sell the album at merchandise?

I think that would make it sell quicker. You going to the show all excited and see she has a new album out or hear her sing new songs and you can buy the album with a thsirt or tourbook

 

Remember y'all --

 

Instead of complaining / wishing we had more promo...

We have a lot more power than we realize via social media.

Get on Instagram, Twitter, etc. and request more Celine Dion content from Billboard, Rolling Stone, etc. right now since Celine Dion is still listed as #1!

Billboard posted the Hot 100 chart on Instagram but conviniently never posted the Billboard 200. We can make requests / demands and go to bat for our Queen.

Mariah fans (and Mariah herself!) are relentless about promoting their queen -- now is the time for us to do the same! Enough of this humble stuff!

 

USE YOUR POWER, Celine Dion fans!

 

If we are truly concerned that Celine is gonna drop out of the charts super fast -- go and like, share, post, request, demand!!!

She'll never get huge streaming numbers but we can still get the attention of folks who might buy her album.

The parade will help but we can help too.

[smw]

The Courage album is phenomenal.