"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

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https://jessicamitchellmusic.com/

 

Incidentally, she also has a Heart of Glass!

 

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

[AdrienneM]

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

 

Alot of those “i wrote a song in 10 minute” stories are absolute garbage, they would struggle to even come up with a melody in that amount of time. So either they slaved away over it for hours or they just made it up as they went along, and with most songs its easy to tell which category they fall into

[Peppercorn1991]

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

 

Maybe they come up with a chorus in that time but certainly not a full song... that’s only double of the full playing time haha.

 

Can’t wait for this album!

 

I personally will be buying the deluxe album but will initially stream it as it’s unlikely it will arrive when the new songs become available. I will most probably listen to it with my BF as he is very excited too. I’m sure there will be a glass of wine available

 

Kev x

[Ncarbia]

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

It's not that it's required, some people write lyrics and music by themselves, but sometimes they meet 3 or 4 people in a studio and while one writes the lyrics the other works on tje melody, but maybe suggests a word for the chorus, so it credited too, and maybe the producer also suggests something else, and is credited for writing also.

Céline herself has credits in some songs, and we know she didn't write them, but while recording vocals maybe she helped with the chorus, or some words. (for example, Don't Save It All For Christmas Day).

And that 10 minutes story I find it very hard to believe, maybe you come up with a song in an hour, if you're being very creative or the song is very simple, but 10 minutes, I don't think so.

 

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[mirage]

Hahahah she sneaky!!!

 

There was also a little preview when she visited that fashion exhibition in Paris 2017,but I couldn't find it.

I think it was 1 of the songs we already know.

 

 

At 0:50 could be a snippet of Nobody's Watching

 

[mirage]

I bet she had no clue whatsoever.

Oooh celine I can't wait to hear play me like a love song.

 

Euh yeah right.

 

 

 

Perhaps... I’m sure that was a long, exhausting day for her. But that strange look she gave is because she’s thinking of how to respond. She clearly didn’t want to confirm or deny it, but also she might be thinking “that’s not the actual title”

[Dancing_Queen]

Céline herself has credits in some songs, and we know she didn't write them, but while recording vocals maybe she helped with the chorus, or some words. (for example, Don't Save It All For Christmas Day).

 

She did (co-)write DSIAFCD.

[Bruno Portugal]

 

 

She did (co-)write DSIAFCD.

 

Yes, she did. She helped with the words in Theat Her Like a Lady.

[Ncarbia]

 

She did (co-)write DSIAFCD.

Yes, I haven't said she didn't. I was trying to answer to another post by saying that not always songs are written by just one person, but once in the studio many can contribute to the making of the song (melody, lyrics, chrods, etc) and get credits even for just suggesting a little bit. Nothing wrong with that.

 

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[jpatdeleon09]

She also wrote a french song “Entre Deux Mondes” for (Marc Dupre) if i’m not wrong

[jpatdeleon09]

I know someone mentioned this before about céline wrote a song for this new album

[Ronny83]

She also wrote a french song “Entre Deux Mondes” for (Marc Dupre) if i’m not wrong

 

...and Marc's "Tout Pres Du Bonheur", and Kevin Bazinet's "Come To Me".

[Javito]

Well couldawouldashoulda, all I got is a notification that you added me as a friend, so I too love you... ... despite all your nasty comments

 

You keep referring to people you do not like and who do not like you to comments that are not directed to them. And this reference could be avoided. It is as if you are trying to provoke a response and ignite an argument. IMO this does not contribute to the mood of the forum - you seem to be concerned with that. Hence my post.

 

Sorry but if that's your perception of my post, you couldn't be more wrong. I said that from the founded perspective and knowledge that there's people in this forum who feel restrained and inhibited to freely post their true reactions to what they think of a certain Celine activity, song or behaviour, because there's always the same bitching small group of people trying to silence any kind of critics and opinions that are not 100% positive to what Celine does, and I've been long enough around this forum to know when someone is posting a forced opinion in order to approve a new Celine song or something she has done, and when someone is truly speaking their mind without any objections

 

When FOMO was released, almost everyone jumped in excitement, but if someone dares to say something negative about a brand new song with only 1 min snippet released or there's one single post to openly say that the song is meh to them, there's always one irritating person attacking this opinion. However, yesterday someone brought to discuss FOMO as the opening song in the album, saying it wasn't his best choice for an opening song in the album, and then someone else said he/she didn't like the song that much and then more fans joined the chain saying maybe the song wasn't *that good* after all. All this said shyly, almost in fear of receiving a myriad of attacking reactions for openly admitting that the first single isn't of their liking.

 

When the first snippets of Lying Down, Imperfections and Courage were released, I've seen people here trying to silence, mock and look down on fans saying that they didn't like the song according to that 1 minute snippet, telling them to wait until the full song is released to share an opinion, because maybe after they have listened to it a hundred times, they will change their opinion. Guys, this is the most stupid, annoying and restraining way to force someone to like something, and you're trying to force the opinion of someone else. That's not fair, and that's not freedom of speech. If someone feels they're not gonna like a song judging on a first released snippet, let them say it. It's THEIR f****** first impression. It's their f****** opinion, and I for one do like to know first impressions from fans, even if it's based on a short snippet

 

So what I say is: why these people have to be afraid of openly saying they don't like a new song? Why do we have to be "afraid" of reacting in the way we feel? If we have 20 consecutive posts saying positive reviews that they like something, but then someone here arrives and they want to say they DON'T like this or that and peacefully be critic or negative, why this person has to be "afraid" or breaking the mood and freely say what he/she feels? This has happened dramatically in the past, and this keeps happening today. This is what this forum became, sadly, and you know it well

 

The mood of this forum has become like a censorship from the same bitching 3-4 guys that when someone says something critic, they immediately jump to their neck and either mock his/her opinion with a sarcastic comment, or they try to brush aside his/her comment as if a critical opinion didn't have to count at all here.

 

That's when this forum became a place where fans cannot freely say what they think anymore, at the expense of being attacked, silenced or mocked, and that's extremely sad.

 

Let fans express their opinions the way they feel from the very first minute. Nobody has to wait here for someone else to be the first critic and say they don't like a song or something Celine does in order to join the chain. Nobody should.

Edited October 13, 2019 at 10:37 AM by Javito

[Taking Chances]

She did (co-)write DSIAFCD.

https://youtu.be/gNK7OvAI444

 

I love the whole "call my answering machine and sing your song" story. I never get sick of hearing it, it's just so lovely. it's so endearing that she's so talented, but so inexperienced with writing.

[sarit_celine]

Well couldawouldashoulda, all I got is a notification that you added me as a friend, so I too love you... ... despite all your nasty comments

 

 

 

Sorry but if that's your perception of my post, you couldn't be more wrong. I said that from the founded perspective and knowledge that there's people in this forum who feel restrained and inhibited to freely post their true reactions to what they think of a certain Celine activity, song or behaviour, because there's always the same bitching small group of people trying to silence any kind of critics and opinions that are not 100% positive to what Celine does, and I've been long enough around this forum to know when someone is posting a forced opinion in order to approve a new Celine song or something she has done, and when someone is truly speaking their mind without any objections

 

When FOMO was released, almost everyone jumped in excitement, but if someone dares to say something negative about a brand new song with only 1 min snippet released or there's one single post to openly say that the song is meh to them, there's always one irritating person attacking this opinion. However, yesterday someone brought to discuss FOMO as the opening song in the album, saying it wasn't his best choice for an opening song in the album, and then someone else said he/she didn't like the song that much and then more fans joined the chain saying maybe the song wasn't *that good* after all. All this said shyly, almost in fear of receiving a myriad of attacking reactions for openly admitting that the first single isn't of their liking.

 

When the first snippets of Lying Down, Imperfections and Courage were released, I've seen people here trying to silence, mock and look down on fans saying that they didn't like the song according to that 1 minute snippet, telling them to wait until the full song is released to share an opinion, because maybe after they have listened to it a hundred times, they will change their opinion. Guys, this is the most stupid, annoying and restraining way to force someone to like something, and you're trying to force the opinion of someone else. That's not fair, and that's not freedom of speech. If someone feels they're not gonna like a song judging on a first released snippet, let them say it. It's THEIR f****** first impression. It's their f****** opinion, and I for one do like to know first impressions from fans, even if it's based on a short snippet

 

So what I say is: why these people have to be afraid of openly saying they don't like a new song? Why do we have to be "afraid" of reacting in the way we feel? If we have 20 consecutive posts saying positive reviews that they like something, but then someone here arrives and they want to say they DON'T like this or that and peacefully be critic or negative, why this person has to be "afraid" or breaking the mood and freely say what he/she feels? This has happened dramatically in the past, and this keeps happening today. This is what this forum became, sadly, and you know it well

 

The mood of this forum has become like a censorship from the same bitching 3-4 guys that when someone says something critic, they immediately jump to their neck and either mock his/her opinion with a sarcastic comment, or they try to brush aside his/her comment as if a critical opinion didn't have to count at all here.

 

That's when this forum became a place where fans cannot freely say what they think anymore, at the expense of being attacked, silenced or mocked, and that's extremely sad.

 

Let fans express their opinions the way they feel from the very first minute. Nobody has to wait here for someone else to be the first critic and say they don't like a song or something Celine does in order to join the chain. Nobody should.

 

I second that Javi, there are many people over this board that

won't share their real opinion because they know they will be bashed

right away for having a different opinion (not even saying something negative

it's actually something constructive)

but anything that is not an automatic "Amen" is being taken as

something negative and almost personal attacking against Celine (lol).

[Neddo]

So far there are FOMO, LD, C, and I fully released. There are snippets for PMLALS or whatever, NW. Are there more snippets? Was Baby preview in 2017?

[DionFanAlways]

https://youtu.be/J1-QwbfAxe0

I don't get tired of seeing her surprised look, the pause.

[scielle]

Hahahah she sneaky!!!

 

There was also a little preview when she visited that fashion exhibition in Paris 2017,but I couldn't find it.

I think it was 1 of the songs we already know.

 

We got Lying Down during that Dior exhibition, and also FOMO in one of the backstage clips with Veronic from the Asia tour.

 

[CelineDionFreak]

Well, I just noticed Nobody’s Watching and Say Yes are Elofsson/Rodrigues songs and they’re right next to each other, so I’m really excited to see if they’re similar or different. If that Met Gala preview is true, I think Nobody’s Watching May have a good beat and I can totally get behind the message of “dance dance dance like nobody’s watching”

[scielle]

Haha, Team Celine leaning in to the "Celine, GIF machine" phenomenon.

 

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[scielle]

We got Lying Down during that Dior exhibition, and also FOMO in one of the backstage clips with Veronic from the Asia tour.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjuW29O-PDo

 

Here's the clip with FOMO (~4:20) from the Asia tour:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81u8taQczwA

Edited October 13, 2019 at 01:10 PM by scielle

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I second that Javi, there are many people over this board that

won't share their real opinion because they know they will be bashed

right away for having a different opinion (not even saying something negative

it's actually something constructive)

but anything that is not an automatic "Amen" is being taken as

something negative and almost personal attacking against Celine (lol).

 

Exactly..

[flutefreak]

Who is the other woman in the play me like a love song video that Irit posted? Is that Liz Rodriques?

[isurrender]

Writer names doesn't mean anything to me. It depends on the producer mainly.

 

Of course, I'm not confident at all when I see some names ( song 7 & 8, looking at you).

 

And truly I m a bit embarrassed for Céline. People can defend FOMO all they want because " she is feeling like this right now".... but first I think there are better ways to express it and then does she really need someone to write those lyrics?

 

[scielle]

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

 

It's becoming increasingly more common for a song to have as many as 10 co-writers these days. It's particularly prevalent in hip hop.

It's a well-known pain point in the industry - it use to be that a song was 1-3 copyright holders at most; now you have to track and split royalties 10 ways!

Plus the preforming artist - if they have a lot of leverage - will often lobby to have a writing credit even if their contribution is minimal. For a variety of reasons - bragging rights, access to a fraction of those royalties (this particularly matters on US radio, where copyright owners get royalties, but master owners (i.e. performers & recording labels) don't), inclusion for any nominations, etc.

 

Also, the way songwriters get paid is by getting their material recorded by big name acts. This means getting in the writing room with other songwriters who may have already written for that artist. It means having active publishers and managers who "work their catalog" and push their songs to performing artists and their management. So these co-writing sessions are often arranged by publishers, in an effort to develop the songwriters in their roster.

 

Songwriters get signed to publishers and get advances in the same way that performing artists get signed to labels. That advance is then recouped from royalties earned by the songwriter, so it's the publisher's job to get their songs recorded and get them co-writing with other writers to increase their output and chances of success.

Edited October 13, 2019 at 01:26 PM by scielle

[LukeD]

I cannot believe people seriously ask whether it is possible to have 3 songwriters for one song. Just take a look at Mariah's entire catalog.

[scielle]

I cannot believe people seriously ask whether it is possible to have 3 songwriters for one song. Just take a look at Mariah's entire catalog.

 

Yeah, Celine often gets flak form not writing her songs, but in reality, many of these artists who supposedly write theirs get support from entire armies. And often it's hard to tell - did they truly co-write something 50/50? Or did they contribute a line or a chord to something 99% created by others?

Often, it's the latter, and from the outside, it's impossible to tell. They get the songwriting credit whether they wrote 90% or 10% of a hit; only those involved (and their publishers) know the actual splits.

[max24]

Charts so far:

 

"Flying on My Own"

Belgium Flanders Tip: 37-33-28-out

Canadian Digital: 13-out-9-out-28-out-39-37-out

France Digital: 21-83-185-8-134-out-106-68-144-

France Digital+Physical: 23-87-193-9-141-out-110-67-147-

Quebec Digital: 2-1-1-1(studio);3(remix);5(live)-?(missing positions)-(since Sept.)4-4-2-

Scotland: 90-out

UK Download: 99-out

US Dance Club: 55-45-39-28-22-19-12-11-8-7-8-17-18-

US Pop Digital: 23-out

 

"Imperfections"

Belgium Flanders Tip: 36-16-

Belgium Wallonia Tip: 47-23-7-

Belgium Wallonia Airplay: 97-39-40-

Canadian Hot 100: 69-92-

Canadian Digital: 20-12-37-

Canadian AC: 26-25-24-

Croatia Airplay: 53-

France Digital: 47-50-86-

France Digital+Physical: 47-50-86-

Quebec Digital: 1-1-1-

Quebec Radio: 1-1-1-

Scotland: 97-out

US AC: 29-29-

US Pop Digital: 23-out

 

"Lying Down"

Canadian Digital: 32-36-out

France Digital: 42-47-156-

France Digital+Physical: 42-46-159-

Quebec Digital: 3-3-3-

Scotland: 84-68-out

UK Download: 74-out

UK Download+Physical: 75-out

 

"Courage"

Canadian Digital: 21-20-out

France Digital: 46-57-127-

France Digital+Physical: 46-56-130-

Quebec Digital: 2-2-4-

[Loup_garou]

sorry guys but I’m just wondring. Does it really require 3 songwriters to write the lyric for one song? I mean, Lady Gaga wrote some of her hits in about 10 minuets all by herself, so I’m just curious whether a professional songwriter needs that much support. Or does she mean that the other guys wrote the music and not necessarily the words?

 

There are a lot of factors

BBC How many people does it take to write a hit song? (2017)

"The best-selling song of 2016, Drake's One Dance, needed eight writers - but even that pales into insignificance compared to Mark Ronson's Uptown Funk, which took 13 people to create, leading Paul Gambaccini to brand it "the most written song in history".

(To be fair, Uptown Funk originally listed a mere four writers, but others were added when it was noticed the song bore a resemblance to The Gap Band's 1979 hit Ooops Upside Your Head.)"

 

BBC Does a hit song really need 9 writers? (2019)

"According to research by Music Week, it took an average of 5.34 people to write last year's Top 100 biggest singles.

That's up from 4.84 in 2017, and 4.53 the year before."

[scielle]

^

Yep, that's another valid point. Often writers get added because of sampling or because whatever was created bears a resemblance - intended or not - to something else already in existence.

Nobody wants to get sued and pay out $2.8mln of a song's earnings the way e.g. Katy Perry had to for "Dark Horse".

 

The songwriters added after the fact don't necessarily have to be actively involved in the creation of the new work to get the credit.

Other examples are Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne being added as co-writers on Sam Smith's "Stay with Me" after the melody was noted as similar to "I Won't Back Down". Ed Sheeran had to add the co-writers of TLC's "No Scrubs" to the credits of "Shape of You".

Edited October 13, 2019 at 02:09 PM by scielle