Céline to perform at the Jamaica Jazz and Blues Festival

[Claudette]

Matias, I think you are missing the poit of my post. It was directed at the people who faints about every little thing Celine does and refuse to see the negative. Those people who are happy that she is standing there miming to old tracks. It was not directed at people who are saying they are dissapointed.

[Alex_Incognito]

that these victims state

 

That wasn't very moderator-like. You openly care about one song. The rest of us expect a little more.

Edited January 29, 2012 at 06:28 PM by Alex_Incognito

[Edwin]

Alex I would really enjoy seeing some of these protests done in person. Seriously! Stand up and jeer and really make yourselves heard.

[Matias]

Matias, I think you are missing the poit of my post. It was directed at the people who faints about every little thing Celine does and refuse to see the negative. Those people who are happy that she is standing there miming to old tracks. It was not directed at people who are saying they are dissapointed.

 

 

Point taken, sorry if I didn't get your point, I'm just "sad" , I miss the Celine that had fun on stage....

[mirage]

Huge fail at 1:50!! I've always defended her using playback, rightly or wrongly, I've accepted it and I deal with it but things like this are so ridiculous. Using an ancient track is bad enough but to not even know when to sing, it's getting harder and harder to defend it. And I know she's struggling because she's having problems with her ear monitors, she's signalling to the sound engineers right throughout the performance, but that's the kind of thing that can happen when you don't sing live. The solution.........sing live!!

 

It's so disrespectful towards Diana King, she sang live!

Celine totally messed it up, but her adlibs in the end she could nail this song live, but i dont get why they need her to playback!

 

I LOVE the ending of IA, she should freestyle more often

 

and everybody is singing along!! how f*** amazing!!!

Edited January 29, 2012 at 06:48 PM by mirage

[Javito]

There's a positive side of the story, not many people is going to know if she lipped or not since I don't think the audience got to tell from the stage if she was actually singing or not. When you're there in person its hard to tell. And since we're not goint to have decent videos from this concert (and I highly doubt that after the sound failures in THLAL they will release this on DVD), only the hardcore fans here know about this

[Javito]

So, just because we are fans we CAN'T say anything even if it was a crappy show? we just should clap like stupid seals....

 

I think she was addressing that to those who resign with whatever Céline does today. Whatever sound she emits from her throat is glorious heaven for them and everything is perfect

[CelineDionFan710]

WOW we got to the point of her lipping. i dont think this.

[Clari]

There's a positive side of the story, not many people is going to know if she lipped or not since I don't think the audience got to tell from the stage if she was actually singing or not. When you're there in person its hard to tell. And since we're not goint to have decent videos from this concert (and I highly doubt that after the sound failures in THLAL they will release this on DVD), only the hardcore fans here know about this

I agree with Javito, to the average fan at the concert the lipping is transparent to them, they are overcrowded, dancing and having a great time, there is so much going on in that moment that they won't be looking into so much detail. We are here sitting in front of a computer with the ability to "rewind" and see the mistakes (I went over 1:50 a few times err.) and are familiar with past performances that it's clear to us. I am somewhat disappointed at what happened and the damage that it has done to the fans who truly support Celine and have been following her career/life closely. I'll be optimistic and hope that something else comes up where she will blow us all away by her vocals AND performance.

[fred]

Bingo! From 2005 to the present date, its all about doing the high notes constantly in every song. She became obsessed with belting them!. What was an exciting moment in All By Myself, waiting to hear the high note in "anymore", has become a permanent feature adding high notes in every song even in part where there shouldnt be any. I too feel tired in my ears after hearing so many of these "invented" high notes, especially in the final part of the TCWT where you get a full demonstration with IA/Soul Medley/Queen Medley/LCMM/RDMH all in a roll one after the other.

 

Totally agree that the high notes are much more appreciated when she does fewer of them than constantly throughout all the song, like she does in LCMM since Vegas for example

Yes! And I've said it before and I say it again: why do too many shows with too many songs if you feel you aren't up to it. Seriously, if everything can't be done live you must realized there's limitations to you voice and work from that. And to cheat people by pretending to sing is not an OK option. Instead lower the number of shows and cut the number of tracks in the set list. I'd rather see a show of one hour live songs than a two hour show with half of them lipped.

 

Matias, I think you are missing the poit of my post. It was directed at the people who faints about every little thing Celine does and refuse to see the negative. Those people who are happy that she is standing there miming to old tracks. It was not directed at people who are saying they are dissapointed.

 

Then I too misinterpretd it. Good that brings back "harmony", for a while there I was like "they first say this, then the opposite - what do they really think?!"

 

/fred

Edited January 29, 2012 at 07:15 PM by fred

[Koolan]

That's one negative thing I don't understand... I've always felt like she has had a strong stage presence. I don't understand why people think she felt lost, or looked confused or like she didn't want to be there. She seemed less robotic than she did in Vegas, just watch the WDMHBN video, even while she is lipping away the chorus she still is smiling from ear to ear at the crowd singing along. I guess maybe because it's the first LCMM performance that she didn't talk through in about 15 years that people think she doesn't wanna be there, but I didn't see that. More than anything, I'd attribute the fact that she flew in right before, and left right after the concert as reasons why she didn't want to be there, but as far as on stage, her presence was still strong.

Agree with everything.

 

Anxiously waiting for PQTME.

[Matias]

I think she was addressing that to those who resign with whatever Céline does today. Whatever sound she emits from her throat is glorious heaven for them and everything is perfect

 

Yeah my bad :S

[CelineDionFan710]

Agree with everything.

 

Anxiously waiting for PQTME.

 

 

me too

[Matias]

she wasn't "robotic" she looked bored or performing just because she had too...watch THLAL...she doesn't know where to go on stage

[Magda5]

I don't post here very often anymore, because of this reason, but I feel compelled to say some things that I'm sure I've said before a million times because this is my HERO (and not just me, even some of you debbie downers) you are disrespecting. Yes we are all entitled to an opinion- that is the function of a forum, but COME ON.

 

Don't disrespect her like this. She left home and her children to an unknown place and took a risk at this festival and made history, sang her heart out, yes SANG, danced her little short skirted booty off, in the heat and humidity when all she was probably thinking about was her babies, wore herself out then flew home. Would you have the strength and drive to do that? Would you put everything aside and give your all? She doesn't have to do any of this. The reason she is a legend is because she works for it. Hard. There are a million lessons we can learn from her perseverance. I really couldn't do it. It's amazing how much she gives and gives and unbelievable how much you complain and complain. Be grateful!!!

 

Be careful of what you say, because she reads these forums. I'd hate for her to read what you've written because truly, most of us appreciate all of her hard work and SINGING that she does.

 

I really dont care if you make fun of me or rip me apart bc it's really predictable andddd lame. I'd rather you take out your negativity on me than her anyway.

 

I agree with you in 100% . Thank you Lindsay I think Celine was great

 

Go Celine!! there are still people who support you

[Alex_Incognito]

Go Celine!! there are still people who support you

 

Yeah! Right on, sister! All of us bastards that buy all of her CDs, singles, DVDs, and concert tickets that have been fans for over half of our lives should just go to hell! How unsupportive can we get!?

 

All real fans, get out your versitile water bottles and pencils that say "Celine" and UNITE!!!

Edited January 29, 2012 at 07:55 PM by Alex_Incognito

[Javito]

she wasn't "robotic" she looked bored or performing just because she had too...watch THLAL...she doesn't know where to go on stage

 

Solution?: Choreography!!! Céline has few, but this is one of the particular songs that are asking for a choreagraphy so bad!

 

You sure remember the performance she did in the Essence Awards in 1998? It's MILES away from what we've seen yesterday! René said the other day in an interview that she can't sing again in the Olympics because she can't do a better performance than what she did in 1996. I'm afraid this will have to be applied in other aspects too very soon.

 

Now... if she had to lipsynch the song, what's a choreography for her? It can't be easier then, she'd only had to concentrate on her moves, not even care to belt the notes! But we get not one thing nor the other

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLFMaMHArEY

[fred]

Yeah! Right on, sister! All of us bastards that buy all of her CDs, singles, DVDs, and concert tickets that have been fans for over half of our lives should just go to hell! How unsupportive can we get!?

HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!

 

Funny. But yea... some people have other ideas of what supportive is... But being that kind of supportive can also be destructive.

 

/fred

Edited January 29, 2012 at 08:00 PM by fred

[Matias]

Solution?: Choreography!!! Céline has few, but this is one of the particular songs that are asking for a choreagraphy so bad!

 

You sure remember the performance she did in the Essence Awards in 1998? It's MILES away from what we've seen yesterday! René said the other day in an interview that she can't sing again in the Olympics because she can't do a better performance than what she did in 1996. I'm afraid this will have to be applied in other aspects too very soon.

 

Now... if she had to lipsynch the song, what's a choreography for her? It can't be easier then, she'd only had to concentrate on her moves, not even care to belt the notes! But we get not one thing nor the other

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLFMaMHArEY

 

 

SO TRUE she only needed a little coreography that's all, it changes the song completly...

 

She uses a playback here as well, but she had fun!!!!!

 

Edited January 29, 2012 at 08:04 PM by Matias

[pat200]

Notice that she did not wobble her lips while lipping to give illusion that she is creating the vibrato. I hope she keeps not doing it because that is the first thing that gives her away when she does the playback, her lips start trembling hahaha so fast as if that is what produces the vibrato!

[Matias]

Yeah! Right on, sister! All of us bastards that buy all of her CDs, singles, DVDs, and concert tickets that have been fans for over half of our lives should just go to hell! How unsupportive can we get!?

 

All real fans, get out your versitile water bottles and pencils that say "Celine" and UNITE!!!

 

 

AMEN!! I Think after 15 years of being a fan I am entitled to have my opion, and not because of that I am less of a fan from those who worship her EBEN when she didn't shine like we know she can

[empress]

I agree that the concert could have used a little more choreography, but then I think the Vegas show could use more also! What I DID love about the Jamaica concert was the audience! They were great. They not only sang along with Celine, but practically took over! It was fabulous listening to how much they enjoyed her music and each other that night. Thanks everyone for your posts!!

[zuv]

is it me or she is not 100% "there" I mean I love the show, but se seams off...maybe she was tired...

I think she had a great stage presence and was happy, are you talkin about beofre or after THLAL cause she was probably pissed about the technical problems of THLAL...

 

First of all thank you so much for the videos. She looks great and i'm glad we got the chance to see it after the whole streaming issue. And see how the worldwide media are suddenly interested in her when she steps out of Vegas?

 

I would LOVE to say she sounded great but the line between fact and fiction has once and for all became too blurred. It's got the point where you honestly just don't know if Celine's going to sing or mime.

 

The reality is Celine and her whole team do this because they can - they are getting away with it!

 

Over the years there has been next to NO controversy about the issue and whenever it has come up it has been quickly dealt with by a press release. They have been VERY clever changing or re-recording vocals whenever the slightest hint they are being found out comes up. Celine and her team are being paid MILLIONS of dollars to perform to backing tracks. If you could go to your work and get away with doing half your job and still get paid wouldn't you go for the easy option as well? This is the situation they find themselves in. Nobody has ever questioned what they do, so they keep doing it!

 

As awful as it may sound the reality is this will keep happening until Celine finds herself in the worldwide news much like Ashlee Simpson did after her SNL scandal or Britney Spears did during the Austrailian leg or her world tour. The difference being nobody really expects much from those performers, for Celine the expectations are much much higher and such news would hurt her much more. Would the Coloseum continue selling out 4000 tickets every night if the casual fans knew in reality a high percentage of the show would actually be a CD they were hearing? As much as it would pain us as Celine fans to see the truth coming out and the bad publicity it would attract sadly unless this awful con is exposed it will keep happening! We'll keep getting to the next live album or live dvd or world tour wondering what "playback version" we are getting.

 

So yeah Celine sounded good, or at least the CD did. I wonder what Diana King thought about what was going on during their performance?

 

 

Shaun she will never be critisized about lip synching like Britney is. We can't compare both. Britney practically inserts her CD and pushes play before entering the stage. At least Celine sings 100% at times and records playbacks before a world tour when she lips.

 

People WANT to hear ALL BY MYSLEF and its ludicrous to think she will hit the note night after night! As a fan i would be pissed off if she did that, ruining her vocal cords for an insignificant public (yes i said it tyler lol)

 

BUT i have to admit that i am VERY disapointed with her lip synching to THLAL. She knew her most devoted fans were only going to care to listen to that song since its been sooooo long that she performed it. Yet she goes on stage and use a 20 yrs old playback for that song

Now i know why Diana King din't bother to dress up for this "event".

Edited January 29, 2012 at 09:21 PM by zuv

[ferjaacu]

Well, all I'm gonna say about the lip-synch thing is that I understand everybody's opinion and dissapointment, and of course I'd love every single song to be sang live if they're not, but we DO need to be careful with what we say. Like I've said many times before, we may have an opinion and we may THINK we see and hear things some other people can't, but we can't state anything out of that. Maybe those who've spent many hours watching the same videos and hearing the same are the ones with the problems. Maybe they do have a better ear then the rest. Do we really know that?? Like FOR SURE?? Nope.

Yes, we can clearly see that she was singing with a backing track in THLAL, but it may be for many reasons. It could easily be to help her with the lyrics, and that it was actually the sound man who messed it up to her. I completely understand that, she hasn't sang this song in 14 years !!! And she didn't want then to happen the same that with DOL. Who knows !!! BTW, using a backing track is not the same as doing playback IMO. but I'm not an expert either The fact is that we don't know anything for sure, so we shouldn't make any statement ourselves. Yes, we can share our opinions of course. EVERYONE IS ALLOWED. But just like Lindsey said, we have to be in her shoes like to criticize her and her actions. You may like them or not, but we need and we MUST respect every single one of them

 

About not singing some songs because you're tired of it and the singer should sing only the songs she/he wants, I agree. But let's be realistic. We can see, here actually, how some fans are always complaining because they're favourite song isn't performed. And we can see how they complain because maybe one of the songs Celine wanted to sing the most is a cover. So, it is not JUST what the singer wants to perform, but also what their fans and the general public wants to hear.

 

Now, about her stage presence... I think she was ABSOLUTELY GREAT !!! She loves to be moving around, she loves to reach everyone in the audience. She was free in that stage because she didn't have to do any choreography or stay in one place because of the lighting or because of the dancers or the cameras. Every single thing she did, like for example, in the TCWT shows, was rehearsed many times and she was being directed.

And, at the same time, she wasn't used to that stage !! And she did look surprised by all the fans there singing along with her. She must have been shocked !!!

Edited January 29, 2012 at 09:24 PM by ferjaacu

[riobeard11]

Notice that she did not wobble her lips while lipping to give illusion that she is creating the vibrato. I hope she keeps not doing it because that is the first thing that gives her away when she does the playback, her lips start trembling hahaha so fast as if that is what produces the vibrato!

Noticed this also! Usually she goes SO overboard with it that it's extremely awkward.

 

 

I think after all is said and done...it was obviously a very rushed concert and performance with little rehearsal and that shows. But I think the videos stand for themselves to prove that it was a fantastic concert for those in the crowd. I have never heard an audience sing along with all of her songs like that! I don't think it was an overall fail, but it was definitely a disappointment in many ways.

 

That being said...I'd buy the DVD (if that happens).

[bgcalde]

Looking at the videos takes me back to Celine's show in Mexico City, which even though it didn't have the full production, the audience made it such an unbelievable experience, and btw the sing alongs were just as strong . This type of concerts really showcase how good a performer Celine is, even when is only her on stage, and also makes you remember how big a superstar she still is all over the world.

[ferjaacu]

Well, there were cameras filming everything, but I don't think it's gonna be a DVD I certainly hope there's gonna be one !!!

[Celine Fan 77]

[MJaque]

Well that's nice that you don't care, and if NOBODY truly cares like you say, why don't we print a little discliamer on the tickets to let everyone know?? OHHHHHHHHH yes, that's right, because doing so would cause a slight problem for her as MOST people do care. Seriously now, don't act like nobody cares. It's pure ignorance.

 

We all hear the bashings of Britney and a few other notorious lip-syncers in the industry. Celine would get the same sort of reception if hers wasn't as well hidden as it was. It shows that people do in fact care. And for many, to spend a thousand bucks on a plane, a thousand bucks on a hotel, a couple hundred on tickets, a couple hundred on food and such.....that's a hell of a lot of money to spend on someone who isn't even doing their part. People should be getting for what you pay for. It's the most basic principle of mother f***inig nature. How people do not understand something so basic is beyond me. Did your parents not raise you with principles such as honesty, integrity, and doing to others what you would expect for yourself? The deception involved is just horrible. When I pay you for something, I expect you to do what I pay you for. For instance, if you pay a lawyer to defend you in trial, and he takes the money and decides not to show up in trial at all, wouldn't you be pissed? I know she's standing there, but her VOICE sure as hell didn't show up.

 

And please, don't even use Whitney or Mariah as examples. Mariah has sang a whopping 200 shows in her 20 year career, Celine sang that many in the year 2004, and also the year 2005 if I am correct. Mariah lost her voice because of vocal nodules, and Whitney due to drugs (she has sang about 500 shows). It has nothing to do with overuse (well of the vocals anyway, I suppose whitney's problem comes down to overuse of another kind lol).

 

Oh, and to try to deny me of my opinion (by saying enough of the bitching) simply because I haven't done it for as long as she has.... dear lord, this makes absolutely no sense! I am the fan, and she is the performer for a reason. Does it look like Patti Labelle, Barbra Streisand, Aretha Franklin, Etta James, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, and others are simply waiting for there fans to get up on stage and do it for as long as them? HELL NO, they're true performers, who like Claudette said, are PROUD of the songs they have recorded and perform them flaws and all.... this is why Celine deserves no legacy anywhere within a mile of those women, they are the true LEGENDS.

 

who cares????????????????????????????

[sfbaysinger]

I agree with Javito, to the average fan at the concert the lipping is transparent to them, they are overcrowded, dancing and having a great time, there is so much going on in that moment that they won't be looking into so much detail. We are here sitting in front of a computer with the ability to "rewind" and see the mistakes (I went over 1:50 a few times err.) and are familiar with past performances that it's clear to us. I am somewhat disappointed at what happened and the damage that it has done to the fans who truly support Celine and have been following her career/life closely. I'll be optimistic and hope that something else comes up where she will blow us all away by her vocals AND performance.

 

Of course keep in mind that I can't "see" all that happened, but I'm sorry, but I don't see why there needs to be any damage to the fans who support/follow her.

What happened to her happens to everyone.

Lindsey...THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH for your comments.

Alex...you made me laugh. But why do you keep doing that if she constantly disappoints you? I'm glad you do, and I hope everyone continues to.

I'm not a fan who can't admit she may not have been at the top of as good as she can be sometimes. She is human fully and makes mistakes, and this may not have been the greatest she could have done. But I can still go on and love her, undamaged by what happened.