New Las Vegas residency show!

[Chantemoi]

I forgot that Franco Dragone died last year. Just remembered after seeing the tweet about Las Vegas - Adele and suddenly thought if A New Day part 2 can be made without Rene.

 

No, there will likely never be a new Vegas show from Céline - let alone one as physically demanding as AND. She’s 55 years old - not 35.

[CourageProject]

She can do Cher type shows. Extravagant with dancers. Céline doesn't need to jump and dance on stage. But dancers really bring something to performances.

 

But before all, her health is important, as they say you know, health is wealth

[scielle]

Can she walk down the stairs? Or along the side of the stage without use of a cane or a walker? Can she use her diaphragm and vocal cords like she use to? Patients with SPS have trouble breathing, never mind belting. Can she handle lights and loud sounds, since those are known spasm triggers? Can she ever take a shower without fear of her legs buckling under her?

 

We don’t know the severity of her condition, but these are likely the realities of daily life she’s facing now. Even if she wasn’t as seriously impacted in some of these areas as some patients, just sitting on stage on a stool and singing for 2 hours would be physically exhausting. People with SPS have been unable to continue in regular office jobs, never mind something as physically taxing as performing.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 at 04:41 AM by scielle

[jpatdeleon09]

I don’t know guys but I have this feeling that she will be ok and will return soon….

[comingback]

. Edited May 14, 2023 at 06:27 AM by comingback

[comingback]

I don’t know guys but I have this feeling that she will be ok and will return soon….

 

I don't think so.

[Chantemoi]

I don’t know guys but I have this feeling that she will be ok and will return soon….

 

Well I have a feeling that the residency/tour will get scrapped in the coming weeks after the movie leaves theaters. Guess we’ll have to wait and see which feeling is more credible…

[DCCeline]

 

 

If you listened to what was said in December, she is trying to get better and it doesn’t happen within a few months. Don’t be so dramatic.

 

Kev x

 

Dont be dramatic? Do you know anything about this disease? It warrants planning and thinking about the worst. What was she supposed to say "I Will never tour or move properly again." Of course her statement would include hope because it would make no sense to just say "its over. Thanks for the past 40 years but I will never recover."

Edited May 14, 2023 at 08:27 AM by DCCeline

[jpatdeleon09]

I hope we get some updates in Céline’s health soon

[KyleVan41]

Ya unfortunately I think the next announcement won’t be a video. Rather a statement indicating her health is her focus and she won’t be touring. Full stop. I really don’t see any other way especially since we haven’t heard or seen her even once for promo. Jane Fonda is 85 years old and had cancer last year and did promo for her new movie - indicating she was doing better. Unfortunately Celine’s radio silence is not a good indicator we’ll see her this year. Edited May 14, 2023 at 11:39 AM by KyleVan41

[Ukrfan]

Ya unfortunately I think the next announcement won't be a video. Rather a statement indicating her health is her focus and she won't be touring. Full stop. I really don't see any other way especially since we haven't heard or seen her even once for promo. Jane Fonda is 85 years old and had cancer last year and did promo for her new movie - indicating she was doing better. Unfortunately Celine's radio silence is not a good indicator we'll see her this year.

 

For some reason, I also think it will only be a statement. I cannot imagine Celine actually saying that she is retiring.

[PuraVida]

Keep in mind, her disease is strong enough to break bones. Even if everything was otherwise going well, say she suddently broke a bone, that would instantly set her back months.

 

That is worst case scenario, but that is the type of things that could theoretically go on behind the scenes with this illness -- thus furthering the radio silence.

[smw]

I’m hoping for the best — but I also think Vegas and the tour will be cancelled. This disease is very serious — and Celine will need to continue focusing on her health.

 

I don’t think she will announce her retirement. I hope someday she will be able to record new music and perhaps even do some appearances and performances down the road. Even if she just recorded new albums and music videos and did an occasional interview, that would be amazing.

 

In the meantime, I hope Team Celine figures out ways to keep her star shining. She’s already given us so much over the decades. Open up the vault.

[valeriociarrocchi]

If we’re getting a statement about the tour cancellation, I just want TC to tell us which her actual conditions are without simply saying “she’s focusing on her health”

 

 

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[scielle]

If we’re getting a statement about the tour cancellation, I just want TC to tell us which her actual conditions are without simply saying “she’s focusing on her health”

 

Well, she may not be emotionally ready to share much. Michael J Fox kept his Parkinson’s diagnosis private for something like 7 years. Yeah, we’d all like to know the details, but she doesn’t owe us any.

[homerton]

The disease seems very sudden doesn’t it. I keep stupidly thinking it’s a misdiagnosis! Silly I know. But we hope. How can a super fit person suddenly be like this. May 21 we got the new vegas info. She looked amazing. That’s only 2 years ago. 18 months after her Vegas post we got her diagnosis. It just doesn’t seem right. Apart from the picture of the elephant thing have we seen her standing? No! This is way more serious, but way too sudden too. I know shock and stress can bring it on and she’s had plenty. But then she seemed to bounce back. Look at the 16-18 tours. I’m fully vaxed but maybe there was a reaction? Will we ever know? The open book is firmly shut currently and only celine holds the key. She’s entitled to privacy but the silence means this is very very serious. Those thinking of a grand return are wasting hope at present.

[scielle]

What gives me some degree of hope is that when she made the announcement in Dec, when they knew her condition and how serious it is, they didn’t just cancel all shows outright. Some were postponed to 2024, which presumably means there’s some hope, however slight. Surely they knew them that SPS is a condition that renders many people disabled, but they still believed she’d be able to perform at some point. Of course, things may have progressed in the wrong direction since, or maybe it was just for insurance reasons of one sort or another.

 

I really don’t know how to read signaling from her anymore. Back in 2015, when she was coming back from a year away to take care of Rene, I thought surely that’s because he’s better. Only later did we learn she was doing it to show him she could…

[valeriociarrocchi]

The disease seems very sudden doesnt it. I keep stupidly thinking its a misdiagnosis! Silly I know. But we hope. How can a super fit person suddenly be like this. May 21 we got the new vegas info. She looked amazing. Thats only 2 years ago. 18 months after her Vegas post we got her diagnosis. It just doesnt seem right. Apart from the picture of the elephant thing have we seen her standing? No! This is way more serious, but way too sudden too. I know shock and stress can bring it on and shes had plenty. But then she seemed to bounce back. Look at the 16-18 tours. Im fully vaxed but maybe there was a reaction? Will we ever know? The open book is firmly shut currently and only celine holds the key. Shes entitled to privacy but the silence means this is very very serious. Those thinking of a grand return are wasting hope at present.

Then I’m not the only one who stupidly thought it might be a misdiagnosis!

It all came out of the blue!

 

 

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[valeriociarrocchi]

What gives me some degree of hope is that when she made the announcement in Dec, when they knew her condition and how serious it is, they didnt just cancel all shows outright. Some were postponed to 2024, which presumably means theres some hope, however slight. Surely they knew them that SPS is a condition that renders many people disabled, but they still believed shed be able to perform at some point. Of course, things may have progressed in the wrong direction since, or maybe it was just for insurance reasons of one sort or another.

 

I really dont know how to read signaling from her anymore. Back in 2015, when she was coming back from a year away to take care of Rene, I thought surely thats because hes better. Only later did we learn she was doing it to show him she could

 

I think the shows were postponed and not canceled for business issues. Lots of money is involved (plus contracts) so that cancelling an entire leg of the tour would cost a lot.

 

 

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[Ukrfan]

The disease seems very sudden doesn’t it. I keep stupidly thinking it’s a misdiagnosis! Silly I know. But we hope. How can a super fit person suddenly be like this. May 21 we got the new vegas info. She looked amazing. That’s only 2 years ago. 18 months after her Vegas post we got her diagnosis. It just doesn’t seem right. Apart from the picture of the elephant thing have we seen her standing? No! This is way more serious, but way too sudden too. I know shock and stress can bring it on and she’s had plenty. But then she seemed to bounce back. Look at the 16-18 tours. I’m fully vaxed but maybe there was a reaction? Will we ever know? The open book is firmly shut currently and only celine holds the key. She’s entitled to privacy but the silence means this is very very serious. Those thinking of a grand return are wasting hope at present.

 

What elephant?

 

I think the last picture of her standing is when she took Eddy to the dentist in December 2021, when she was already sick. She held his hand, but there is one pic when she just stands alone.

 

In her Christmas video this winter, it is not clear, but looks like she is standing. But then again, she uses only one hand for gestures, so some people here speculated that she is using holding a stick with her other hand to stand.

[scielle]

I think the shows were postponed and not canceled for business issues. Lots of money is involved (plus contracts) so that cancelling an entire leg of the tour would cost a lot.

 

Possibly. Could be about cashflow management. Refunding that many shows in one go is a lot of cash.

[Zofia]

The disease seems very sudden doesn't it. I keep stupidly thinking it's a misdiagnosis! Silly I know. But we hope. How can a super fit person suddenly be like this. May 21 we got the new vegas info. She looked amazing. That's only 2 years ago. 18 months after her Vegas post we got her diagnosis. It just doesn't seem right. Apart from the picture of the elephant thing have we seen her standing? No! This is way more serious, but way too sudden too. I know shock and stress can bring it on and she's had plenty. But then she seemed to bounce back. Look at the 16-18 tours. I'm fully vaxed but maybe there was a reaction? Will we ever know? The open book is firmly shut currently and only celine holds the key. She's entitled to privacy but the silence means this is very very serious. Those thinking of a grand return are wasting hope at present.

 

 

Unfortunately it seems that his illness did not come out of nowhere… Quite simply Céline is not someone who liked to complain. Here is what Denise Bombardier says in her book published in 2009 (after accompanying Céline on the Taking Chances world tour):

 

“After a concert in Munich, on the plane that took us back to Berlin, I saw the singer who had just succeeded in another performance writhing in pain, her neck on fire, bent in spasms. Her massage therapist, the discreet and gentle Rolande, always by her side, gave her treatments that made her grimace but to which she submitted while continuing the conversation with us. One has the curious impression when observing Celine Dion that she violates this body which periodically fails in the energy which inhabits it.”

 

“If she exudes invulnerability, a power on stage, a formidable energy, if during her public outings she appears radiant, controlling all situations, you have to see her behind the set of this life of performances. In the shadows lurks an ailing woman, whose body keeps protesting, for there is a physical price to pay to remain at the peak of her glory. Celine Dion therefore experiences many physical ailments. Neck pain, back pain, dizziness, tension that reminds her almost permanently. His voice also protests, becoming an obsession at all times. His throat also causes him concern, as well as asthma, this calamity for a singer. Celine Dion through her body suffers the repercussions of the star defying illness and death.”

 

Besides, his condition got worse during the pandemic-enforced hiatus, didn't he? Bombardier:

 

“Celine Dion thrives on effort, work seeming to be the antidote to her anxieties. Inactivity does not suit him. She does not hide the physical and psychological discomfort she experienced during certain less turbulent periods of her life. In public performance, all his ills disappear. Aches, points in the hollow of the chest, nausea, abdominal pain, these frequent signals that the body sends back to her, she ended up taming them. Isn't that the price to pay to live on adrenaline, the only powerful drug she allows herself?”

 

(Denise Bombardier, “L’énigmatique Céline Dion”, Albin Michel 2009, p.148-149, 221-222)

[homerton]

 

 

What elephant?

 

She was decorating an elephant for resorts world. She was bending over it.

 

I think the last picture of her standing is when she took Eddy to the dentist in December 2021, when she was already sick. She held his hand, but there is one pic when she just stands alone.

 

In her Christmas video this winter, it is not clear, but looks like she is standing. But then again, she uses only one hand for gestures, so some people here speculated that she is using holding a stick with her other hand to stand.

[homerton]

 

 

What elephant?

 

She was decorating an elephant for resorts world. She was bending over it.

 

I think the last picture of her standing is when she took Eddy to the dentist in December 2021, when she was already sick. She held his hand, but there is one pic when she just stands alone.

 

In her Christmas video this winter, it is not clear, but looks like she is standing. But then again, she uses only one hand for gestures, so some people here speculated that she is using holding a stick with her other hand to stand.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

 

Unfortunately it seems that his illness did not come out of nowhere… Quite simply Céline is not someone who liked to complain. Here is what Denise Bombardier says in her book published in 2009 (after accompanying Céline on the Taking Chances world tour):

 

“After a concert in Munich, on the plane that took us back to Berlin, I saw the singer who had just succeeded in another performance writhing in pain, her neck on fire, bent in spasms. Her massage therapist, the discreet and gentle Rolande, always by her side, gave her treatments that made her grimace but to which she submitted while continuing the conversation with us. One has the curious impression when observing Celine Dion that she violates this body which periodically fails in the energy which inhabits it.”

 

“If she exudes invulnerability, a power on stage, a formidable energy, if during her public outings she appears radiant, controlling all situations, you have to see her behind the set of this life of performances. In the shadows lurks an ailing woman, whose body keeps protesting, for there is a physical price to pay to remain at the peak of her glory. Celine Dion therefore experiences many physical ailments. Neck pain, back pain, dizziness, tension that reminds her almost permanently. His voice also protests, becoming an obsession at all times. His throat also causes him concern, as well as asthma, this calamity for a singer. Celine Dion through her body suffers the repercussions of the star defying illness and death.”

 

Besides, his condition got worse during the pandemic-enforced hiatus, didn't he? Bombardier:

 

“Celine Dion thrives on effort, work seeming to be the antidote to her anxieties. Inactivity does not suit him. She does not hide the physical and psychological discomfort she experienced during certain less turbulent periods of her life. In public performance, all his ills disappear. Aches, points in the hollow of the chest, nausea, abdominal pain, these frequent signals that the body sends back to her, she ended up taming them. Isn't that the price to pay to live on adrenaline, the only powerful drug she allows herself?”

 

(Denise Bombardier, “L’énigmatique Céline Dion”, Albin Michel 2009, p.148-149, 221-222)

 

Denise was not nearly so sensational in this piece as she was in the recent article, but it’s still awfully dramatic. Looking back today, those could have been early signs of SPS, but those symptoms are not unique to Céline- every performer has muscle pain, stress, sickness, etc.

 

Remember the AND dancers putting their feet in buckets of ice after a show? I did that too last summer when I performed in a musical; I could barely walk for a few days, because my feet were swollen in pain and I had “shin splints” from jumping/dancing/running on a concrete stage. On top of that, performing every night takes its toll : but when the light come on, you perform as if nothing bothers you. In fact, you usually forget you’re in pain until the show is over and the adrenaline fades.

 

For Céline, with her boundless physical energy, it doesn’t surprise me she was in pain behind the scenes - during that demanding TCWT especially! Even without all the dancing, it’s still incredibly exhausting to go city to city, soundcheck to soundcheck, night after night giving your all.

 

What surprises me is when fans who know the possible side affects of SPS believe she will return to the stage and resume such a tour schedule. It’s preposterous. Even if she “fully recovers”, how can anyone expect her to commit to such demands if there’s a chance she’d have to cancel again in a moment’s notice?

 

 

[incognito]

 

 

Possibly. Could be about cashflow management. Refunding that many shows in one go is a lot of cash.

 

Or AEG holding her to a contract until they are 100% convinced it can’t go on.

[KyleVan41]

Playing devils advocate here. Although we know that her syndrome can be severe in some cases and managed quite well in others. You tube would only show the worst although there was one older woman in her 70s who was doing wonderful. If Celine’s condition was in the severe category would she really have or want to say that she thinks she’s “on the road to recovery “ and only cancel some dates. If her doctors told her look this is far too debilitating based on what we’re seeing in you …you’d think a full stop would be made based on prognosis. I’ve went back and re watched her December 8 video and she really does seem to want to come back. If she were to cancel outright the tour , I would assume it’s because her treatment has either plateauing or stalled. No updates has me worried. But maybe she is on strict routine to be ready for August . I don’t know. I’m just throwing possible scenarios out there hopeful that no news may be good news until we hear otherwise. Edited May 15, 2023 at 12:33 AM by KyleVan41

[Nmj]

Playing devils advocate here. Although we know that her syndrome can be severe in some cases and managed quite well in others. You tube would only show the worst although there was one older woman in her 70s who was doing wonderful. If Celine’s condition was in the severe category would she really have or want to say that she thinks she’s “on the road to recovery “ and only cancel some dates. If her doctors told her look this is far too debilitating based on what we’re seeing in you …you’d think a full stop would be made based on prognosis. I’ve went back and re watched her December 8 video and she really does seem to want to come back. If she were to cancel outright the tour , I would assume it’s because her treatment has either plateauing or stalled. No updates has me worried. But maybe she is on strict routine to be ready for August . I don’t know. I’m just throwing possible scenarios out there hopeful that no news may be good news until we hear otherwise.

 

I’m also torn, one way is no news is good news…. It’s means hopefully some improvement is happening…

On the other hand I don’t think Celine or her team would make a negative announcement until after the “Love Again” film is out of cinemas, which will probably be soon. So I don’t know, could go either way at this rate. I’m sure the update is coming by June.

[Zofia]

Denise was not nearly so sensational in this piece as she was in the recent article, but it's still awfully dramatic. Looking back today, those could have been early signs of SPS, but those symptoms are not unique to Céline- every performer has muscle pain, stress, sickness, etc.

 

Remember the AND dancers putting their feet in buckets of ice after a show? I did that too last summer when I performed in a musical; I could barely walk for a few days, because my feet were swollen in pain and I had "shin splints" from jumping/dancing/running on a concrete stage. On top of that, performing every night takes its toll : but when the light come on, you perform as if nothing bothers you. In fact, you usually forget you're in pain until the show is over and the adrenaline fades.

 

For Céline, with her boundless physical energy, it doesn't surprise me she was in pain behind the scenes - during that demanding TCWT especially! Even without all the dancing, it's still incredibly exhausting to go city to city, soundcheck to soundcheck, night after night giving your all.

 

Of course, his past health problems may have nothing in common with his current illness; performers like athletes often lead fights with their bodies (it is simply a question of underlining that the explosive form of Céline on the stage hid several discomforts behind the scenes and there, Bombardier seems a credible witness).

On the other hand, his susceptibility to muscle spasms or "globus syndrome" mentioned elsewhere could reflect early signs of what has recently spun out of control. Some patients with SPS say that in their case the symptoms manifested themselves on a lesser scale for years. I remember a recent example: a 56-year-old patient, diagnosed after 7 years of struggle, comments: “Looking back, I can see that I had a milder version of the symptoms most of my life” (https://www.happiesthealth.com/articles/neurology/stiff-person-syndrome?fbclid=IwAR0dsdSBku27kkPjFj3IfxmjrATbN4DsUDpNv0Cwrw_xfDFX3TS6HfhJlUw)

 

What surprises me is when fans who know the possible side affects of SPS believe she will return to the stage and resume such a tour schedule. It's preposterous. Even if she "fully recovers", how can anyone expect her to commit to such demands if there's a chance she'd have to cancel again in a moment's notice?

 

Totally agree. Classic wishful thinking.

[Zofia]

If Celine's condition was in the severe category would she really have or want to say that she thinks she's "on the road to recovery " and only cancel some dates.

 

It is normal for people to be unable to immediately accept a serious diagnosis. The first reaction is almost always denial: "no, it's impossible, they made a mistake, I'm going to wake up and everything will go back to the way it was". There are too terrifying truths, "I have an incurable disease, deeply crippling, which causes people great suffering and takes away everything they love in life; from then on it will also be my fate…" - we gradually adapt to such a type of conscience. To this is added her desire to communicate something positive publicly...

 

she really does seem to want to come back

 

She undoubtedly wills, but unfortunately physical reality does not decline before a will, neither hers nor ours.

 

If her doctors told her look this is far too debilitating based on what we’re seeing in you …you’d think a full stop would be made based on prognosis

 

First, medicine is not an art of prophesying, especially with regard to rare diseases. SPS is known to be a very unpredictable disease - and it is precisely its unpredictability that will make any planning (so necessary in every business) nearly impossible. In the narratives of patients there are plenty of stories like "such a medicine, such a method worked very well for me, but for some time now it hasn't worked at all". Second, it would be inhumane for doctors to deprive their patient of the hope that motivates her in her struggle, however fanciful it may be - again, modifying this hope to make it more realistic takes time.

 

Although we know that her syndrome can be severe in some cases and managed quite well in others

 

Yes, but… Proper management of SPS symptoms should allow one to lead a quiet life, as free from debilitating pain as possible. Could even the best possible management - which is by no means guaranteed - allow someone to perform on stage? Rather unlikely…

 

Playing devils advocate here

 

In this case, rather an angel’s advocate. Let it be the truth!