Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[scielle]

For what it’s worth, Le Parisien has a “source close to” saying “elle fait des progrès mais ses docteurs disent qu’elle n’est pas encore prête à reprendre ses tournées” (she’s making progress but her doctors say she’s not ready to tour). Also, “Elle chante, affirme une proche. Elle continue de travailler sa voix. Une de ses amies françaises l’a vu récemment aux États-Unis. Elle était dans une bonne phase et préparait son retour.” (She’s singing & working her voice. A French friend recently saw her in the US and she was in a good phase and preparing a return.)

 

https://www.leparisien.fr/amp/culture-loisirs/musique/tournee-europeenne-de-celine-dion-une-annulation-et-beaucoup-dinterrogations-26-05-2023-MP6TAV7V5FCTHGD67B7F6PJIAY.php

Edited May 27, 2023 at 11:35 AM by scielle

[CourageProject]

Thanks for translating! And I also think she's better than before but it's doctor's preventions and precautions, and moreover, she might not just be ready

[AdrienneM]

To me, from her statement, it was clear that she is clearly working very hard to actively build back physical, vocal and mental strength- as whether she’s better medically or not, not being able to walk properly or sing properly for such a long time means she will need to build all that muscle memory back up and essentially start from square one. She’ll be (I imagine) back to doing regular daily vocal exercises which I imagine she hasn’t done since way back when the tour was postponed due to covid. The phrasing of “really ready to be back on stage” tells me that she is doing better, she is getting back to where she was, but she simply isn’t ready and to try and force through it would likely make it 1000x worse and set her back, which is the case with any illness on any scale. To make this long winded post a bit more concise; to me, she is doing better, she is recovering, but she just isn’t ready yet and it’s better to be safe than sorry, and it’s just not feasible to push stuff back again for a multitude of reasons.

[sebulba]

Sad news the EU tour is canceled. I was really hoping this news wouldn't be announced but at the same time it was expected and just a matter of time and it's understandable of course. But it feels as time continue to pass this tour won't happen as there will be something that gets in the way for whatever reason but again I hope not because she has performed very good in the US shows she has done so far so it's hard to not be excited.

Anyway in the end I am happy as long as she don't rush anything and takes all the time needed to be 100%.

[ryba]

Now is a good time to release the 2016 and 2017 tours on blu ray and dvd.

[homerton]

If better where is the video ? Unless she gets too upset to be on with more bad news xx

[Nmj]

To me, from her statement, it was clear that she is clearly working very hard to actively build back physical, vocal and mental strength- as whether she’s better medically or not, not being able to walk properly or sing properly for such a long time means she will need to build all that muscle memory back up and essentially start from square one. She’ll be (I imagine) back to doing regular daily vocal exercises which I imagine she hasn’t done since way back when the tour was postponed due to covid. The phrasing of “really ready to be back on stage” tells me that she is doing better, she is getting back to where she was, but she simply isn’t ready and to try and force through it would likely make it 1000x worse and set her back, which is the case with any illness on any scale. To make this long winded post a bit more concise; to me, she is doing better, she is recovering, but she just isn’t ready yet and it’s better to be safe than sorry, and it’s just not feasible to push stuff back again for a multitude of reasons.

 

I agree! And let’s say that Celine had improved 100% from SPS which wouldn’t be the case but for argument sake….even if she was 100% better, I’d imagine the voice all alone would be a huge process for her to fire it up and use that muscle again…. We all know she’s a perfectionist and won’t come back until she can control her instrument the way she wants which after a few years may take some time.

[Nmj]

If better where is the video ? Unless she gets too upset to be on with more bad news xx

 

No video doesn’t mean no improvement… there’s plenty reasons why she may have not wanted to do a video.

Could be something as serious as that she’s in some form of isolation/quarantine to even something trivial like she’s hasn’t colored her hair and doesn’t want to be seen just to have them speak of her appearance.

 

[joaofilho]

I was saddened by the news of the cancellation of the turner, but it was expected. it is a long and difficult treatment, not the cure, unfortunately, I am sad about this situation.

I hope she gets better, with everything going on it's the best thing to do.

[Zofia]

With yesterday's statement, the official information channel has probably closed for an indefinite period. From then on, we will be condemned to rumours, suggestions, leaks of information and our own overinterpretations. In most cases, this tells us more about ourselves than about the current situation since we are equal in not knowing it: some let themselves be carried away by fear, others cling to hope. Some will refer to the anonymous source of CNN (saying " she is in a lot of pain "), others to the anonymous source of Parisien ("she was in a good phase and preparing a return "). On the one hand "certainly she is better, she suggests it in her message", on the other "for sure she is not better, there is no video", etc. Probably we will live in these contradictions for quite a long time, so let's try to be 1. careful and critical towards our sources, sometimes incomparable in terms of their reliability, 2. reciprocally respectful towards our emotions, especially since our own emotions are sometimes so contradictory…

Of course, I also address this call to myself, because I am also sometimes carried away by worry and always desperately thirsty for hope.

[Abodi2002]

That's The Way It Is and opening remarks

Hello. You said you had full audio of this concert. Can you please share the audio here?

[Abodi2002]

I think we all need to set our expectations for the next 11 months at the very least the lowest they can go for Team Celine. I have no faith whatsoever that they will pump out material nor will they release any of the previous decades worth of shows on DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital up to and including the entire Celine residency at CP, 3 summer tours (2016, 2017, 2018), Hyde Park, and the Courage World Tour. I really hope they prove me wrong. This is so heartbreaking. I have faith Celine herself is doing well but it's going to be a very silent year without her.

Her team will never release anything.

[scielle]

Obviously, priority right now is to ensure she has good quality of life and pain-free day-to-day existence.

Consensus seems to be if she does come back to performing, it would be in Vegas, where she can set up shop for a number of shows at a time and have a home base.

But - hear me out here - if that IS possible, and she’s able to sustain a single-venue schedule for a couple weeks at a time, maybe the solution to touring is “mini residencies” in major cities. No grueling travel schedule, she could set up shop is a central location for several weeks, and have people come to her. She already kinda does that on a personal level - lives in a single hotel for a month, and just does day trips to individual tour stops. So maybe the solution - health permitting, of course - is some mini-residencies in cities like Paris, London, New York. These are already tourist destinations in their own right, and like Vegas, people make a vacation out of it. She could easily sell out multiple nights in these cities and if marketed properly, it could be a workable alternative to touring.

She pioneered the Vegas residency. Why not pioneer a Paris one?

[RosieBarron]

Obviously, priority right now is to ensure she has good quality of life and pain-free day-to-day existence.

Consensus seems to be if she does come back to performing, it would be in Vegas, where she can set up shop for a number of shows at a time and have a home base.

But - hear me out here - if that IS possible, and she’s able to sustain a single-venue schedule for a couple weeks at a time, maybe the solution to touring is “mini residencies” in major cities. No grueling travel schedule, she could set up shop is a central location for several weeks, and have people come to her. She already kinda does that on a personal level - lives in a single hotel for a month, and just does day trips to individual tour stops. So maybe the solution - health permitting, of course - is some mini-residencies in cities like Paris, London, New York. These are already tourist destinations in their own right, and like Vegas, people make a vacation out of it. She could easily sell out multiple nights in these cities and if marketed properly, it could be a workable alternative to touring.

She pioneered the Vegas residency. Why not pioneer a Paris one?

 

Makes perfect sense to me. I have always been happy to travel to see her, that is part of the experience, seeing new places in the process.

[PuraVida]

Obviously, priority right now is to ensure she has good quality of life and pain-free day-to-day existence.

Consensus seems to be if she does come back to performing, it would be in Vegas, where she can set up shop for a number of shows at a time and have a home base.

But - hear me out here - if that IS possible, and she's able to sustain a single-venue schedule for a couple weeks at a time, maybe the solution to touring is "mini residencies" in major cities. No grueling travel schedule, she could set up shop is a central location for several weeks, and have people come to her. She already kinda does that on a personal level - lives in a single hotel for a month, and just does day trips to individual tour stops. So maybe the solution - health permitting, of course - is some mini-residencies in cities like Paris, London, New York. These are already tourist destinations in their own right, and like Vegas, people make a vacation out of it. She could easily sell out multiple nights in these cities and if marketed properly, it could be a workable alternative to touring.

She pioneered the Vegas residency. Why not pioneer a Paris one?

 

Paris - Vegas - Montreal - Singapore (or perhaps Sydney)

 

For what it's worth, Le Parisien has a "source close to" saying "elle fait des progrès mais ses docteurs disent qu'elle n'est pas encore prête à reprendre ses tournées" (she's making progress but her doctors say she's not ready to tour). Also, "Elle chante, affirme une proche. Elle continue de travailler sa voix. Une de ses amies françaises l'a vu récemment aux États-Unis. Elle était dans une bonne phase et préparait son retour." (She's singing & working her voice. A French friend recently saw her in the US and she was in a good phase and preparing a return.)

 

https://www.leparisi...67B7F6PJIAY.php

 

I'm not getting my hopes up, but even imagining this makes me emotional.

Edited May 28, 2023 at 02:36 AM by PuraVida

[comingback]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eO4NNAt0m8

 

Edited May 28, 2023 at 03:49 PM by comingback

[jpatdeleon09]

For what it’s worth, Le Parisien has a “source close to” saying “elle fait des progrès mais ses docteurs disent qu’elle n’est pas encore prête à reprendre ses tournées” (she’s making progress but her doctors say she’s not ready to tour). Also, “Elle chante, affirme une proche. Elle continue de travailler sa voix. Une de ses amies françaises l’a vu récemment aux États-Unis. Elle était dans une bonne phase et préparait son retour.” (She’s singing & working her voice. A French friend recently saw her in the US and she was in a good phase and preparing a return.)

 

https://www.leparisien.fr/amp/culture-loisirs/musique/tournee-europeenne-de-celine-dion-une-annulation-et-beaucoup-dinterrogations-26-05-2023-MP6TAV7V5FCTHGD67B7F6PJIAY.php

 

For sure it was really the doctor’s advice to not be on tour yet or in any shows. Great! That she’s making progress.

 

Little by Little, Day by Day

One step at a time

[Leo]

I'm concerned that she didn't record a video to break the news nor is there any video to promote the movie.

 

I wish doctors come up with an effective treatment as soon as possible.

[noyau]

Hello, I'm sorry to ask for that, but can we talk about the refounding of our money about the tickets?

 

I bought a lot of tickets: Paris, Amsterdam, Manchester, Zürich (and several of them). For the moment, apparently: Amsterdam refounds automatically. For Paris - ticketmaster, we have to ask for a refound. Same for Zürich (ticketcorner). But I have no news about Manchester + Paris with Fnac.

 

We can write here also when the money is back.

[CelineTheBest5]

About france billet, I don’t know where I can ask refund. It’s website doesn’t say anything and I even didn’t receive any email.

www.francebillet.com

[Dancing_Queen]

About france billet, I don’t know where I can ask refund. It’s website doesn’t say anything and I even didn’t receive any email.

www.francebillet.com

 

Same. But I assume/hope it's simply because their offices are currently closed (long week-end) and we'll get a mail tomorrow. Ticketmaster and the venues probably got advance warning, but not the smaller vendors.

[RosieBarron]

Has anyone had an email about the cancellation from France Billet? I haven't and have been checking my junk. They were slower than ticketmaster etc when the shows were previously rescheduled though. I have had emails about Birmingham and Dublin. Edited May 29, 2023 at 03:59 PM by RosieBarron

[A new day...]

I got one email from La Defense Arena stating that I would receive another email within 10 days asking for my bank information in order to proceed with the refund. No information from France Billet (Fnac) yet. When I checked on Friday, refund was not yet available. Edited May 29, 2023 at 08:46 PM by A new day...

[scielle]

Another “source close to” in this People story: https://people.com/why-celine-dion-really-canceled-her-tour-exclusive-7505075

 

“Céline Dion's recent concert cancellations were done in an effort to be "fair to the fans," a source tells PEOPLE […]

 

“The goal is for her to tour again for sure, but once she is better," the source says.

 

"Right now she’s focusing on her health," adds the source. "She couldn’t keep postponing shows — it wasn’t fair to the fans.””

 

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Edited May 29, 2023 at 08:54 PM by scielle

[KyleVan41]

I know we’re going to see her return to Resorts World. I bet we’ll see dates announce for mid 2024 the end of the year , probably by November or Christmas

[PuraVida]

I totally would believe touring is still her goal. She's not gonna give up, her statement confirmed that. Now whether it's possible, we will see.

 

But Celine is very strong-willed, determined, and has had an inner fire that got her to the top in the first place.

[maki_Dion-er]

For what it’s worth, Le Parisien has a “source close to” saying “elle fait des progrès mais ses docteurs disent qu’elle n’est pas encore prête à reprendre ses tournées” (she’s making progress but her doctors say she’s not ready to tour). Also, “Elle chante, affirme une proche. Elle continue de travailler sa voix. Une de ses amies françaises l’a vu récemment aux États-Unis. Elle était dans une bonne phase et préparait son retour.” (She’s singing & working her voice. A French friend recently saw her in the US and she was in a good phase and preparing a return.)

 

https://www.leparisien.fr/amp/culture-loisirs/musique/tournee-europeenne-de-celine-dion-une-annulation-et-beaucoup-dinterrogations-26-05-2023-MP6TAV7V5FCTHGD67B7F6PJIAY.php

 

I'm more inclined to believe this "close source" than the CNN one because the things they said are closer to what we've heard from Celine & her team directly. She's described her vocal ability as not being quite there yet (which she's done when canceling due to a cold virus), working w/ a trainer to regain her strength, not being at 100% (implying there's improvement), etc.

 

The way she's described her illness also leads me to believe (or hope) that her case falls on the lighter end of the spectrum of SPS vs the severe and highly debilitating end.

 

 

Perhaps it's also me trying to grasp at any positive future for her. I didn't know what to say after the news of the cancelation. My first reaction was relief because now she can focus on herself and not worry about having to make yet another announcement about a tour that was already dead. My second reaction was worry that she isn't getting better, and by better I mean enough to have some semblance of a normal life.

 

 

Celine is not giving up, she's pushing, and keeping hopeful. Who are we to put out negative vibes? Maybe she can be that 1 in a million to get better. If not for her this disease would not have gotten the awareness it has now. Anything can happen.

We can be realists while remaining hopeful.

 

 

 

[A new day...]

Just got an email from FranceBillet asking me to request refund on this site (https://annulation.francebillet.com) using my transaction references but it's not working yet. Still showing the postponement notes from last time. Edited May 30, 2023 at 10:08 AM by A new day...

[A new day...]

EDIT FROM ABOVE: You can now ask for your refund on the link I just posted above.

[Zofia]

I'm more inclined to believe this "close source" than the CNN one because the things they said are closer to what we've heard from Celine & her team directly. She's described her vocal ability as not being quite there yet (which she's done when canceling due to a cold virus), working w/ a trainer to regain her strength, not being at 100% (implying there's improvement), etc.

 

The way she's described her illness also leads me to believe (or hope) that her case falls on the lighter end of the spectrum of SPS vs the severe and highly debilitating end.

 

 

Perhaps it's also me trying to grasp at any positive future for her. I didn't know what to say after the news of the cancelation. My first reaction was relief because now she can focus on herself and not worry about having to make yet another announcement about a tour that was already dead. My second reaction was worry that she isn't getting better, and by better I mean enough to have some semblance of a normal life.

 

 

Celine is not giving up, she's pushing, and keeping hopeful. Who are we to put out negative vibes? Maybe she can be that 1 in a million to get better. If not for her this disease would not have gotten the awareness it has now. Anything can happen.

We can be realists while remaining hopeful.

 

Yes, we certainly need to keep hope alive. Instead of losing it, we must learn to adapt our hope to the situation. It's one of the most important principles when an event turns our lives upside down; otherwise we shut ourselves off in wishful thinking and lose touch with reality.

 

However, I remain sceptical about the interpretation of the message itself of Céline. To tell the truth, I see in it above all what is unique to Céline: highlighting what is positive. If you look at all her messages since spring 2022, she's "getting better and better". I'm not saying this isn't true - I'm just saying that we don't know anything about her evolution or her daily life. Only one thing is certain: "I'm not giving up" is her style of facing obstacles.

 

Other public characters may feel sorry for themselves or beg for attention. If Céline complains (rarely), it's almost always in retrospect, when she's regaining her strength and coming out of her silence. When she does speak out, she always does so as the brave, optimistic, fighter. Perhaps it's another of her Québéco-American fusions: in part, it's her family heritage, the school of the brave Thérèse Tanguay (after all, doesn't Claudette express the same "optimism", but in a less wise version than Céline?), in part the famous American Positive Thinking ideology.

 

That said, it's up to her to choose her own fighting style, and it's up to us to support her. So if she says: "My goal is to get back on the scene", then even if my reason whispers "it's unlikely", I want to believe with her. If only because it's the only way to support her through what she's going through. Sometimes that's all love can do.