Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[SantiagoColorado]

I guess the most memorable thing of this era will be that red dress, I mean, it's on the album cover, also will be on the Lying Down music video, then we have two versions of it for the live performances

[wjd]

 

 

Don't know where you got you're number but they are wrong lol, at least for all Montreal shows. You mention both shows in Feb in Montreal have 0 tickets left but there is plenty left on the official seller Evenko...

 

I took from Ticketmaster - that at least explains why the figures are zero in the Montreal shows. The rest are spot on though, thank you very much.

[celinesounds]

The best was the comeback of LCMM

1. The Prayer solo version is amazing
    
   
2. and If You asked me too OMG
    
   
3. Tous les blues sont ecrits pour toi great choice, the song is almost half in english
   

Edited October 19, 2019 at 07:28 PM by celinesounds

[celinesounds]

some songs can be replaced

 

 

The Reason - Water and a Flame

Beauty and the Beast - Dreaming of you

You Are the voice - The Best

Love can move moutains - Unison

River Deep - Make you happy

all By Myself - Have you ever been in love

[browseceline]

 

I think it should.

Die-hard fans are the ones who spend the most to see her. What happens if she doesn't please them? Well, I intended to see three shows. Now I'm down to only one in Paris.

Do I consider 'a vous' or 'je ne vous oublie pas' rewarding? Not so much.

 

Of course she doesn't owe us anything and can do as she sees fit. But I'm astonished when I continually read here that she should please the majority instead of pleasing everyone, while she easily could please everyone.

 

On a 20 songs setlist, make 12 hits (or most known songs), 5 songs from the last album, 2 less-known songs and a new cover.

Everyone would be happy. It is not difficult.

Is it THAT insulting and unbearable for the general public to be bored for two/three songs, meanwhile the die-hard fans get bored for half of the setlist? Not even mentioning years old prerecorded tracks.

(side bar, she should record them anew before each tour - and creatively fitting them well with the tone of the tour).

The TCWT set list was more well balanced.

 

I've seen her many times. She indeed is 'une bête de scène' as we say in french. A stage beast. Her voice is still top shape. Her charisma is unmatched. It is a great experience seing her live.

 

But settling for pleasing only the majority instead of pleasing everyone by just reworking less than a quarter of the setlist?

Just to make do?

No.

 

 

 

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And attack me but these lipped songs need to leave or she should sing them in a different key. Too easy, lazy and convenient to constantly do this over and over again. We, everyone pays a loooot of money to hear her and then even start a tour like that? If she does not want to do bylm anymore, fine skip it or sing it differently

 

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[Ajax]

Well it s maybe not just because she doesn’t want to sing it but because she needs some break at one point in the show for her voice. But yes they could find some way to make it differently.

[browseceline]

Well it s maybe not just because she doesn’t want to sing it but because she needs some break at one point in the show for her voice. But yes they could find some way to make it differently.

Oh and why the first song in the setlist.. Not one Note been sung so no break needed. No i don't find a excuse for lipping. maybe one song but not multiple songs that are even signature songs everyone wants to hear.

 

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[sarit_celine]

And attack me but these lipped songs need to leave or she should sing them in a different key. Too easy, lazy and convenient to constantly do this over and over again. We, everyone pays a loooot of money to hear her and then even start a tour like that? If she does not want to do bylm anymore, fine skip it or sing it differently

 

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I don't find where a video of IACBTMN was shared here, it was an easy rendition by another singer.

It could work good for her and no need to kill any vocals. She can bring another 2 vocal wise songs + shorten a bit the show

(and shorten a bit the sick price ticket ) and everybody wins.

I dearly admire her but I cringe with how she opens that show.

Edited October 19, 2019 at 07:58 PM by sarit_celine

[Ajax]

I do agree on the first song though. For the rest if this balance allows her to give us this singing quality still, then that is more than fine for me. I know it and don t feel fooled.

[Xpresso]

Oh and why the first song in the setlist.. Not one Note been sung so no break needed. No i don't find a excuse for lipping. maybe one song but not multiple songs that are even signature songs everyone wants to hear.

 

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Maybe she is nervous on the first song and it's like a warm up for her?

What I find funny is that those popular pop princesses lip most of their shows and nobody says a thing. With Celine, who has some of the most vocally demanding songs and who CAN really sing, she should not use any lipping.

If you want her to record more music, let her protect her voice when she feels she needs it. We know she can sing.

[sarit_celine]

Btw TLYM was live? I couldn't find any video of this one.

[browseceline]

Maybe she is nervous on the first song and it's like a warm up for her?

What I find funny is that those popular pop princesses lip most of their shows and nobody says a thing. With Celine, who has some of the most vocally demanding songs and who CAN really sing, she should not use any lipping.

If you want her to record more music, let her protect her voice when she feels she needs it. We know she can sing.

Because these pop princesses like Britney have danceroutines, stunts etc which would make it difficult to sing as well - not that i therefor say it is okay - but i can understand. Celine does not have exhausting danceparts and whereas Britney is a performer Celine is an amazing singer and you come to a Celineshow for her voice.

 

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[Xpresso]

Because these pop princesses like Britney have danceroutines, stunts etc which would make it difficult to sing as well - not that i therefor say it is okay - but i can understand. Celine does not have exhausting danceparts and whereas Britney is a performer Celine is an amazing singer and you come to a Celineshow for her voice.

 

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Or maybe they dance because they can't sing live!?

Because Celine can sing, she shouldn't use any lipping at all to protect her voice? I don't agree.

[Ajax]

Yep. Some dance. Other sing that much that they still need to find a balance. There shouldn’t be a playback à la carte.

[Nmj]

Maybe she changed the red dress because she lost some muscle mass by not exercising due to her virus, and doesn’t want to show off her back anymore

 

Nahhhhh that silver outfit she does for the medley shows WAAAAAAY more of her back.

She probably changed it because of the lower neckline, probably hard to sing with it that high, imagine singing with a turtleneck on lol. Oh wait she has before, probably not comfortable when belting tho.

Edited October 19, 2019 at 08:40 PM by Nmj

[AdrienneM]

Britney hasnt been able to dance for a good while. Shes been stiff as bricks for years. I mean, Beyonce can sing her butt off and dance like theres no tomorrow. However, Celines thing is “THE VOICE”. These songs she does are hard, she could lower the key sure, however the audience expect and want as close to the studio if not exactly the same... if she sings TPOL 3 keys down, they arent gonna take it the same. TLYM however, funnily, i think she could outsing the playback any day... its not a very strong playback

[isurrender]

Oh and why the first song in the setlist.. Not one Note been sung so no break needed. No i don't find a excuse for lipping. maybe one song but not multiple songs that are even signature songs everyone wants to hear.

 

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Actually the ending of IACBTMN is live.

 

And all the songs lipped today were already lipped in the 90s for most of them.

Along with some other tracks ( If you asked me to, Only one road, THLAL, Tell Him, Bee Gees medley, DOL, to name a few) on tour.

 

I mean that's not an excuse of course but I think that's fair to say that we had time to get used to it ( more than 20 years) , or to move on to something else/someone else.

 

A show like this is much more demanding vocally speaking than LTAL tour and she is 20 years older.

Thing is I don't see her changing the way she "sings" them nowadays ( some tones lower) due to the fact she might not be able anymore to sing them when she was not even able to sing them when they were released ( at least night after night).

 

I don't think it will happen and we should all make up our mind about it.

 

And in all honesty, I really don't care. Would I want her to sing them in another way? Yes but I m not focus on that anymore because I m sick and tired of those songs. Aren't we all as hardcore fans ?

I've never read on this forum "omg I can't wait to hear BYLM".

I leave them to casual fans. And as the general public gets all the attention from Céline('s team), I have not sympathy at all if the 10 songs they know from Céline and the ones they are coming for are lipped. 🤭😄

[JulienMcbeal]

People come to her shows for her voice. So it is a bit unsettling that she is lypsincing.

But of course she has to do so in order to protect her voice. There's no way her voice would still be that good today if she sang those hits live for years night after night (you voiced me back to liiife...).

Even less keeping it for a whole huge world tour.

 

This time there's little of prerecorded tracks and it's reserved for the mega hits I don't care about anymore. So it's okay for me.

I wonder what the general public would say though, if they knew, since they're here for these songs - and to hear it live.

 

Sometimes I wonder how they cannot spot that the ABM note is lipped, her voice sounds so different.

 

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[Holborn]

People come to her shows for her voice. So it is a bit unsettling that she is lypsincing.

But of course she has to do so in order to protect her voice. There's no way her voice would still be that good today if she sang those hits live for years night after night (you voiced me back to liiife...).

Even less keeping it for a whole huge world tour.

 

This time there's little of prerecorded tracks and it's reserved for the mega hits I don't care about anymore. So it's okay for me.

I wonder what the general public would say though, if they knew, since they're here for these songs - and to hear it live.

 

Sometimes I wonder how they cannot spot that the ABM note is lipped, her voice sounds so different.

 

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Some of you have been following her for so many years, even decades, that you have forgotten how it is to be a new fan/spectator. When you first listen to Celine or go to see her live, you don't really understand what is going on. You can't believe she is singing so good live and at the same time you can't believe she is lipping. She sings most of the songs live, so at some point she will do few mistakes that convince you that this is live and she lips extremely good to the point you don't know if you should trust your ears or your eyes. If you take into consideration the fact that the vast majority of people don't sit and watch live after live through average mobile recordings and experience the live as it is supposed to be experienced (sound, place, cameras etc) for the first time, it is no wonder that people leave happy and satisfied. Everyone that has gone to her lives has said that we shouldn't judge what we see from the sh*tty recordings and that even in MHWGO the vocal difference is less obvious. I imagine the same applies to the ABM note.

 

To be fair she hasn't been lipping that much for the past 3 years and i don't understand why it's becoming an issue so often. Her first Quebec show she lipped 2,5 songs out of 25 and still there were people complaining..She usually lips around 5 songs and that's it, and especially BYLM is not being lipped because it's demanding..She sang it just fine few months ago, she just can't stand it, like most of us. Sure she could make new recordings but ditch the playbacks all together doesn't seem logical to me. The current setlist seems demanding enough to want from her to sing live the few playbacks and lowering keys wouldn't really work either, especially for those people that went to the show JUST for these hits.

[sarit_celine]

People come to her shows for her voice. So it is a bit unsettling that she is lypsincing.

But of course she has to do so in order to protect her voice. There's no way her voice would still be that good today if she sang those hits live for years night after night (you voiced me back to liiife...).

Even less keeping it for a whole huge world tour.

 

This time there's little of prerecorded tracks and it's reserved for the mega hits I don't care about anymore. So it's okay for me.

I wonder what the general public would say though, if they knew, since they're here for these songs - and to hear it live.

 

Sometimes I wonder how they cannot spot that the ABM note is lipped, her voice sounds so different.

 

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Because she has a máster degree in this, she does one part live, one no, other part live

or scream and lip all together I pray that no one will discover it by the time she arrives it

many people here will have their jaw dropped if they will know about the little tricks our gal is doing

 

But really she doesn't need it, she has to say a nice goodbye to those songs that distrub her.

Her live singing take downs all those old pre-recorded tracks.

And if she needs to rest her voice then no problem, I already wrote what is the perfect solution.

 

I'm sick to write about it I swear. Well, she is the only singer I consider to see live, even with that little issue in between.

[CSchmidt]

I guess the most memorable thing of this era will be that red dress, I mean, it's on the album cover, also will be on the Lying Down music video, then we have two versions of it for the live performances

yes

[CSchmidt]

some songs can be replaced

 

 

The Reason - Water and a Flame

Beauty and the Beast - Dreaming of you

You Are the voice - The Best

Love can move moutains - Unison

River Deep - Make you happy

all By Myself - Have you ever been in love

You Are the voice - The Best Tina Turner's Cover?

[CSchmidt]

o beautiful...

 

They changed the dress? This one looks so much identical to the album cover.

[DionFanAlways]

Some of you have been following her for so many years, even decades, that you have forgotten how it is to be a new fan/spectator.

 

 

 

This is brilliant! I wish I would have thought of this. I have to admit that at times I am guilty of this.... It's like a sense of entitlement. Edited October 19, 2019 at 10:15 PM by DionFanAlways

[celinesounds]

You Are the voice - The Best Tina Turner's Cover?

 

a cover by a Cover

[Kyle_Jared]

Good lord the complainers.

 

She has to do a lot of the songs we are used to over and over because regular fans who buy tickets for her first show in their city in over 10 years want to hear the hits. Of course die hards like us want to hear rarities. I for one like the medley and think its a way for her to have fun. Personally "your the voice" looks like a fantastic way to get the audience involved. And i LOVE the song! LOL. I seriously find it infectious and i'm not even there in person. That being said, of course some tweaks could be made. I'd drop "love can move moutons' and swap it out for a newer dance number such as "Somebody Loves Somebody" to represent a newer song from her repertoire. I also think Ashes really should be in the show somewhere. It was the closest thing to her most recent hit in a while. I'd also swap out "The Reason" for a "A New Day Has Come" Radio Remix OR "I Surrender./ Immortality " I know many of us are sick of I surrender but that song is well known among Celine fans in the states and is regularly sung on voice competitions. Other than that, I think the setlist is on point.

 

SO smart to bring IYAMT back. That was one of her first decent hits ; reached top 5 on HOT 100 and is on All the way.. which many would have attending her show.

 

She slayed. The show looks amazing..

Edited October 19, 2019 at 10:57 PM by Kyle_Jared

[fred]

So for a hard core fan as myself the concert was kinda over with BYLM (even before that song, since it's done in an extremely boring and uninspiring manner since for years now). And then it turned into someone's 50 year old party in someone's garage....

 

And even before that "cover fiesta, predictable "encore" MHWGO and London reprise Imagine" that show was OK if Céline was 80+ and hadn't released anything after 2002..... but for a tour with promisies made like the ones they made + having a new album to promote, it's just beyond words how boring and uninspiring this was.

 

Sure she's been sick, sure she works a lot and so on. But adding only IYAMT (which was sung how many times already in the 90ies) doesn't really justify this setlist at all. Sorry but it doesn't.

 

I'm kinda sad I already bought tickets for this boring tour. And I can only hope for the setlist changes before next summer...

(since arrangements changes and new interpretions - except PQTME at the end of the French leg - seems out of the question somehow)

 

Go on hate all you want on this "hate post". That doesn't change the fact this setlist and these "interpretions" of old tunes is just.... not up to par... at all....

Edited October 20, 2019 at 12:20 AM by fred

[fred]

I used to love her doing covers too. But I never expected her do to them so bland and "meh" a she's done many of the post '02 covers.... Her covers has gotten major inflation by now. They add nothing to the show.... and sadly, very sadly she adds nothing or very little to the covers.

 

I am completely obsessed with 'Let's Dance'. I never cared for Bowie's version at all (as much as I appreciate the rest of his catalog), but damn...She really makes it her own.

 

Now AOBTD on the other hand I don't get at all. And I usually love when she does Queen (Love of my Life ). It's too monotone, doesn't suit her voice.

Would love for her to sing 'Don't Stop me now' at one point. She could really work that one.

 

So yeah, I'm also one of those people who love her covers. Though I definitely wish she would switch them up a bit more.

[sarit_celine]

So for a hard core fan as myself the concert was kinda over with BYLM (even before that song, since it's done in an extremely boring and uninspiring manner since for years now). And then it turned into someone's 50 year old party in someone's garage....

 

And even before that "cover firesta, predictable "encore" MHWGO and London reprise Imagine" that show was ok if Céline was 80+ and hadn't released anything after 2002..... but for a tour with promisies made like the ones they made + having a new album to promote, it's just beyond words.

 

Sure she's been sick, sure she works a lot and so on. But adding IYAMT (which was sung how many times already in the 90ies) doesn't really justify this setlist at all. Sorry but it doesn't.

 

I'm kinda sad I already bought tickets for this boring tour. And I can only hope for the setlist (since arrangements changes and new interpretions - except PQTME at the end of the French leg - seems out of the question somehow) changes before next summer...

 

Go on hate all you want on this "hate post". That doesn't change the fact this setlist and these "interpretions" of old tunes is just.... not up to par... at all....

 

Fred, when you will go to see her? Just hope it's after the album is out.

[Nmj]

 

 

The (apparent) lack of playback tracks is actually very courageous. How long have we been asking for live vocals, even in lowered keys? I think she might be finally embracing the fact that fans want her to be natural - not perfect.

 

Except yesterday’s vocals were PERFECT for me. She slayed, her natural voice was way more appealing then the playback songs.

“To Love You More” should be layed to rest if doesn’t want to do it LIVE.