Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[DionFanAlways]

Hey, one and a half songs in French for the States; I'm loving it! She never would have done that before. Maybe she is listening to me, no?

 

I still think she should sing the chorus of Lady Marmelade in English.... hehehe

Edited October 20, 2019 at 02:46 PM by DionFanAlways

[Javito]

Fake eyelashes? As if that short, straight hair of hers today was hers... LOL!

[Ajax]

And she looks way more modern and classy with this bob than with the helmet and fake eyelashes. In my opinion. Edited October 20, 2019 at 03:02 PM by Ajax

[JulienMcbeal]

EXACTLY

TCWT had all the hits, bare minimum new songs, most of which were all lipped, oh, and TWO cover medleys too WOWZA

 

People, you don't see the difference between two/three songs from the album the tour is name after, and six/seven songs? Seriously?

That's less than half! Okay, we will have more songs from the album after its release. We'll see if it matches the count.

 

The cover medleys for TCWT were songs she never sung before. So it's new material and not the same old songs already done countless times. She hadn't do Queen before. Today, we're used to it. She even recycles her own past "surprises" (Lady Marmelade already were on TCWT).

IACBTMN, BYLM, TLYM were reduced into a medley, so "big hits" don't phagocytize the show. It was way more clever.

RDMH/LCMM weren't as tired as they are now, 11 years of performances later. She took it from Vegas 1 for the world to see. Okay. Now the world have seen them. Not at the time. Then they were in Vegas 2 again... and in everything after that, everywhere.

 

The Music in Me and It's a man's world hadn't been performed by Celine before. It's not back catalogue, but it's not "the usual ones". That's what we ask: not the perpetual ones. I want SOME songs she rarely sings. Not a whole show, obviously. I don't care if they are covers: her studio albums are full of it already. And I love covers.

On this forum, people don't like covers, saying that's not her songs, that she does it too much... okay. Nonetheless, at least it is novelty! It's not re-heated songs she performed before. That's what I ask. You don't ask for that, that's okay: but I'm being logical in loving the TCWT setlist more than this one considering my expectations.

 

Besides, in 2008, she was a world star since '"only" 15years. (Roughly, I chose to point the beginning at The power of love, but that's totally arbitrary). So the notion of "english back catalogue" is not quite the same as today. Moreover, LMBTL album isn't that old and have not been performed either (water and a flame was during the 2013 french tour).

People weren't fans 10 years ago? This is the case for every artist you become fan along the way! You discover things from their previous career. And now we have youtube for that. But hey, if you're okay for her to sing this same setlist in 20years after seing it live 3 or 4 times via one last world tour (maybe), a few mini tours and another Vegas residency, call me then.

(probably not, she'll be 71, but you get the idea).

 

Let's consider World Tours, since not everybody follows every shows' videos on Youtube and many fans weren't there 20 years ago.

The TCWT setlist had 13 songs she never performed on tour before, out of 21 (based on the Tokyo setlist), and this is by counting the medleys as one song (and axing that japanese thingy). 9 out of 19 for the Pretoria setlist (the real first english setlist, since Johannesburg was shorter and for a benefit).

Courage world Tour? Well, the english setlist, based on Cleveland, the first english setlist, have 2,5 out of 19 (0,5 for the medley, since it isn't only new songs). 5.5 if you consider only world tours (not mini tours or special events or french setlists): so we add TLBSEPT, YTV and Imagine.

6.5 if we consider FOMO is just temporary out.

So, yeah, in terms of unheard-on-tour-before songs, the TCWT setlist was better.

('im just talking about setlist here, not scenery, voice, wardrobe, lypsinc).

Edited October 20, 2019 at 03:25 PM by JulienMcbeal

[Ajax]

I get your point in term of numbers and new covers, and still I prefer the flow of this english setlist. At least now most of the covers are in a medley and we don't have to endure them in their whole.

However, I don't get your point about being a world star since 15 years, that doesn't make sense, it's way enough to speak about back catalog especially since she was just out of Vegas and nothing much changed since then.

 

But in my opinion if we compare TCWT and Courage, it's not that much about the setlist as they are both weak. Still in my opinion Courage is so much more modern and dynamic in its production but mainly the big difference is Céline and the way she got back to artistry as a singer/interpret.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

People, you don't see the difference between two/three songs from the album the tour is name after, and six/seven songs? Seriously?

That's less than half! Okay, we will have more songs from the album after its release. We'll see if it matches the count.

 

The cover medleys for TCWT were songs she never sung before. So it's new material and not the same old songs already done countless times. She hadn't do Queen before. Today, we're used to it. She even recycles her own past "surprises" (Lady Marmelade already were on TCWT).

IACBTMN, BYLM, TLYM were reduced into a medley, so "big hits" don't phagocytize the show. It was way more clever.

RDMH/LCMM weren't as tired as they are now, 11 years of performances later. She took it from Vegas 1 for the world to see. Okay. Now the world have seen them. Not at the time. Then they were in Vegas 2 again... and in everything after that, everywhere.

 

The Music in Me and It's a man's world hadn't been performed by Celine before. It's not back catalogue, but it's not "the usual ones". That's what we ask: not the perpetual ones. I want SOME songs she rarely sings. Not a whole show, obviously. I don't care if they are covers: her studio albums are full of it already. And I love covers.

On this forum, people don't like covers, saying that's not her songs, that she does it too much... okay. Nonetheless, at least it is novelty! It's not re-heated songs she performed before. That's what I ask. You don't ask for that, that's okay: but I'm being logical in loving the TCWT setlist more than this one considering my expectations.

 

Besides, in 2008, she was a world star since '"only" 15years. (Roughly, I chose to point the beginning at The power of love, but that's totally arbitrary). So the notion of "english back catalogue" is not quite the same as today. Moreover, LMBTL album isn't that old and have not been performed either (water and a flame was during the 2013 french tour).

People weren't fans 10 years ago? This is the case for every artist you become fan along the way! You discover things from their previous career. And now we have youtube for that. But hey, if you're okay for her to sing this same setlist in 20years after seing it live 3 or 4 times via one last world tour (maybe), a few mini tours and another Vegas residency, call me then.

(probably not, she'll be 71, but you get the idea).

 

Let's consider World Tours, since not everybody follows every shows' videos on Youtube and many fans weren't there 20 years ago.

The TCWT setlist had 13 songs she never performed on tour before, out of 21 (based on the Tokyo setlist), and this is by counting the medleys as one song (and axing that japanese thingy). 9 out of 19 for the Pretoria setlist (the real first english setlist, since Johannesburg was shorter and for a benefit).

Courage world Tour? Well, the english setlist, based on Cleveland, the first english setlist, have 2,5 out of 19 (0,5 for the medley, since it isn't only new songs). 5.5 if you consider only world tours (not mini tours or special events or french setlists): so we add TLBSEPT, YTV and Imagine.

6.5 if we consider FOMO is just temporary out.

So, yeah, in terms of unheard-on-tour-before songs, the TCWT setlist was better.

('im just talking about setlist here, not scenery, voice, wardrobe, lypsinc).

 

AND YET, Courage unlike TC isnt out! It’s literally not even out yet! 3 songs from an unreleased album is absolutely fine imo.

 

Shes also never done AOBTD or Lets Dance, Lady Marmalade on the TCWT was literally the back up singers singing “sister go, sister go sister” as Barnev was doing Soul Man... so again, no. Shes never done it on tour.

 

The big hits condensed into that medley had already been done for over 4 years in full playback and everyone was SICK of it, now shes doing them individually and people are *still* complaining after complaining they wanted the hits done individually... make up your mind folks!

 

A tour with an unreleased album with 3 new songs, 2 deep cuts, a few good covers and all the big hits and faaaaaaar less lipping is far more balanced than whatever TCWT was supposed to be

 

TCWTs covers were worse, screaming her way through Its a mans world and I Got the feelin and (compared to her 2015,2016,2017 versions) sub par TSMGO, and horribly bad WWRY. Also the LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO ending and the exact same recycled speeches and song orders from AND...

 

Apart from visuals, TCWT has nothing over the Courage tour. Nothing. All it has is album tracks and Courage already has 50% of TCWTs album track amounts and it aint even out yet!

 

So lets not look at TCWT through rose tinted glasses please

Edited October 20, 2019 at 03:55 PM by AdrienneM

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Oh, that was Balmain? No wonder it was so atrocious.

 

She's been KILLING it these last few years with the clothes, styling, hair an makeup, event the staging and shows. It all feels so modern yet classic at the same time.

 

The black and white dress for EOM was also Balmain and I thought it was gorgeous.

Edited October 20, 2019 at 04:26 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[stevo]

 

 

The black and white dress for EOM was also Balmain and I thought it was gorgeous.

 

I’m glad there are no dancers tbh. I don’t think they suit a Céline concert. Her personality and voice and legs are enough for me.

 

And was the EOM outfit from TCWT not Givenchy?

Edited October 20, 2019 at 04:30 PM by stevo

[fred]

Oh... I kinda hated on that one aswell…. such a let down from the wonderful EU tour the year before. Hopes were high Asia would get some gems too, like WFTM and NBBMH, and all they got was a lipped FIY.

 

But honestly though I find the 2018 Asian tour far more inspiring than the Courage tour. That sting medley compared to the medley of this tour is just worlds apart quality wise. I never thought I'd say this but after seeing the C tour so far the Asian 2018 tour was quite good.

 

It's weird that some of fans are complaining this tour's setlist but they didn't care that of the Asian Tour 2018 at all!

[fred]

I've always craved a solo version of I'm Your Angel.

 

 

Now if she could just retire Barnev and do BATB alone! Lol

[JulienMcbeal]

AND YET, Courage unlike TC isnt out! It's literally not even out yet! 3 songs from an unreleased album is absolutely fine imo.

Shes also never done AOBTD or Lets Dance, Lady Marmalade on the TCWT was literally the back up singers singing "sister go, sister go sister" as Barnev was doing Soul Man... so again, no. Shes never done it on tour.

The big hits condensed into that medley had already been done for over 4 years in full playback and everyone was SICK of it, now shes doing them individually and people are *still* complaining after complaining they wanted the hits done individually... make up your mind folks!

A tour with an unreleased album with 3 new songs, 2 deep cuts, a few good covers and all the big hits and faaaaaaar less lipping is far more balanced than whatever TCWT was supposed to be

TCWTs covers were worse, screaming her way through Its a mans world and I Got the feelin and (compared to her 2015,2016,2017 versions) sub par TSMGO, and horribly bad WWRY. Also the LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO ending and the exact same recycled speeches and song orders from AND...

Apart from visuals, TCWT has nothing over the Courage tour. Nothing. All it has is album tracks and Courage already has 50% of TCWTs album track amounts and it aint even out yet!

So lets not look at TCWT through rose tinted glasses please

 

I'm genuinely confused... did you read what I wrote?

You said 3 is fine when I said "Okay, we will have more songs from the album after its release. We'll see if it matches the count." So that point is still pending.

"All it has is album tracks and Courage already has 50% of TCWTs album track amounts". In cleveland it was 30%... but let's not be petty and wait until the album is out on that point, as I said.

You said that the TCWT covers were bad, her voice were bad... while I said I wasn't talking abour her voice, just the setlist. It's fine you don't love them and think she was screming. I didn't say they were good. I said they were new, adding a point to my setlist preference. I never said TCWT was my favorite concert voice-wise! lol

 

" LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO ending and the exact same recycled speeches and song orders from AND..." Y-es... I literally wrote she took it on tour from Vegas! You know, for people who can't afford to see her in vegas (like me). So it was new for a world tour. Not new for this one (though she did cut it in parts lol).

 

" now shes doing them individually and people are *still* complaining after complaining they wanted the hits done individually... make up your mind folks!"

Hem... this is embarassing... do you think that the persons who did complained about hits being reduced into medleys are the same who now complain about them being sung in full? Er, you do know people have different preferences, right? It's not one liking over another for every person here.

I wrote that it was okay, IMO, to take things from Vegas on the road since many fans didn't see/hear them. I wasn't complaining about that at all.

And I'd be shocked to my core if you find one post from me complaining about the hits being reduced into medley, since it's always what I wanted, having told repeatedly I wanted to hear new stuff, that I coulnd't bear the hits anymore even though they have to stay for the general public. Hence I wrote reducing them was a clever way to please everyone.

So my mind has been perfectly made up for years now and remains consistent, thank you. I might add I also love when she reduces them in TV apparences - like what she did for Oprah, I don't remember when.

 

"Lady Marmalade on the TCWT was literally the back up singers singing “sister go, sister go sister” as Barnev was doing Soul Man..."

--> Okay, we can add 0.5 to the total if you want.

 

I specifically wrote "('im just talking about setlist here, not scenery, voice, wardrobe, lypsinc)" and what are you talking about? Voice, screaming, lights, lypsinc, and pink glasses, while I didn't say TCWT was the best in everything. What I wrote was the setlist was better for me considering my expectations (which aren't every one of course). And that the amount of unsung songs were higher. Which remains a fact as of today. Maybe it will change further on.

 

So did you read? Seems like you were just looking for things to attack in TCWT.

Edited October 20, 2019 at 05:05 PM by JulienMcbeal

[ARTBOP]

Do we have any high quality audio recordings from this tour?

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I’m glad there are no dancers tbh. I don’t think they suit a Céline concert. Her personality and voice and legs are enough for me.

 

And was the EOM outfit from TCWT not Givenchy?

 

I’m talking about the white cape dress...which was Antonio Berardi. My mistake.

[JulienMcbeal]

I get your point in term of numbers and new covers, and still I prefer the flow of this english setlist. At least now most of the covers are in a medley and we don't have to endure them in their whole.

However, I don't get your point about being a world star since 15 years, that doesn't make sense, it's way enough to speak about back catalog especially since she was just out of Vegas and nothing much changed since then.

 

But in my opinion if we compare TCWT and Courage, it's not that much about the setlist as they are both weak. Still in my opinion Courage is so much more modern and dynamic in its production but mainly the big difference is Céline and the way she got back to artistry as a singer/interpret.

 

Oh, of course you can prefer the flow of the present setlist (which I don't, just a matter of taste - I don't sense it as more dynamic at all). I was just talking about new stuff being sung on tour, the choosing of tracks for the setlist. The cover were new, that was my point. And I love covers, so.

For the back catalogue, it has to do with context. Now she is a legend, her career is 11 years older, so searching for her old hidden gems tastes more sweet than back then.

 

She can sing Elle anytime she wants!

Edited October 20, 2019 at 05:13 PM by JulienMcbeal

[Ajax]

Well when I say I prefer Courage in term of set list it s between Peste and Choléra you know. 😁 as I said that the set lists are both weak points. And when I spoke of dynamism I was speaking more in term of production. Clearly the set up for Courage is the most modern and dynamic she ever did on Tour even without dancers or moving elements. Just the lighting and stage set up make it super dynamic. Even Celine is like everywhere and that s the main feedback we got from people who went.

 

Still don t agree with the legend effect on her back catalog. She already had this status after A new day. 5 or 10 more years less does make any excuses.

Edited October 20, 2019 at 05:18 PM by Ajax

[smw]

I'm loving this era so far!

 

It feels like mid-90s Falling Into you era Celine is back on tour. No gimmicks. No dancers. All of that spectacle sort of felt like a distraction during the TCWT -- it was a perfectly natural progression from Vegas and it was fun but now she's been there done that. The main focus now, as it was in the 90s, is that crystalline iconic voice and one of a kind personality -- along with simple staging, & beautiful visuals. That's all Whitney Houston needed in her prime. That's all Babs needs. That's all Celine Dion will ever need.

 

For folks out there in the world who haven't followed Celine closely since the 90s -- and perhaps they never made it to Vegas -- this is such a perfect, timeless representation of who Celine Dion is at her core. A one of a kind performer with one of the greatest voices of all time. Her biggest hits are present in the set list -- along with some fun surprises and brand new songs from her new album.

 

The reception of the new album is already positive. Why don't we celebrate and enjoy this wonderful moment?? I don't have my head in the clouds. I just don't think Celine has many peers who have upheld her level of quality and consistency for SO LONG. I can't wait to see her in a few months, and I can't wait for the album's release and all of the promo coming our way!

[Alice]

I'm loving this era so far!

 

It feels like mid-90s Falling Into you era Celine is back on tour. No gimmicks. No dancers. All of that spectacle sort of felt like a distraction during the TCWT -- it was a perfectly natural progression from Vegas and it was fun but now she's been there done that. The main focus now, as it was in the 90s, is that crystalline iconic voice and one of a kind personality -- along with simple staging, & beautiful visuals. That's all Whitney Houston needed in her prime. That's all Babs needs. That's all Celine Dion will ever need.

 

For folks out there in the world who haven't followed Celine closely since the 90s -- and perhaps they never made it to Vegas -- this is such a perfect, timeless representation of who Celine Dion is at her core. A one of a kind performer with one of the greatest voices of all time. Her biggest hits are present in the set list -- along with some fun surprises and brand new songs from her new album.

 

The reception of the new album is already positive. Why don't we celebrate and enjoy this wonderful moment?? I don't have my head in the clouds. I just don't think Celine has many peers who have upheld her level of quality and consistency for SO LONG. I can't wait to see her in a few months, and I can't wait for the album's release and all of the promo coming our way!

 

I love everything you wrote.

 

 

And yes, from what I've seen, the visuals are wonderful. I can only imagine what a breathtaking experience Courage is. And then the cute little drones flying around her like fireflies. Only 7 months for me to go

[sarit_celine]

I've always craved a solo version of I'm Your Angel.

 

I love this duet so much, I love only the duets she had in the 90's.

[Céline RO]

Fake eyelashes? As if that short, straight hair of hers today was hers... LOL!

 

You never know... I remember even during the TCWT people on this forum were saying that she was wearing a wig...

[Céline RO]

Is anyone going to listen to the soundcheck tonight?

[scielle]

Well, she may not be doing press during the tour, but seems Scott is!

 

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[Kristinaz]

I think people misunderstood what I said. I'm not saying she needs to do alot of dancing or have the dancers on every song but like one or two songs it could change it up a bit IMO I didn't find tacky tbh I guess maybe because all the artists I liked growing up generally did dance during their shows.I didn't find it a distraction. I have to say at the moment I do prefer the 2016/2017 mini tours. i don't know why but there was something that drew me to it far more then this one at the moment. Maybe it will change as time goes on. I won't lie I haven't watched the Courage tour in close detail. I've watched the stream but that's about it. I'm not watching too many videos because I don't want to completely ruin the whole thing for myself since my show isn't until April.

[nuts2you]

Cant wait to see those # for the first set of shows,

 

Ps : I do wonder what her RIDER must look like,

[nuts2you]

One song I would Love from her is IF YOU ASK ME TO be added to the setlist at some point during this tour, and If There Was any other way, I would die to hear them,

[duri]

I have to say its surprise for me there are no dancers on this tour as its big world tour. I would expect something more than Celine and her band yes of course her voice is main reason to go to see her but still few dancers during some songs would be nice and could give those songs she is singig again and again something new at least visualy. Just saw trailer of Mylen Farmer tour film and I was like OMG what a production. Celine world superstar and her show is so cheap compare to another singers which cant be compared to Celine and they still have better production of tours. Edited October 20, 2019 at 08:43 PM by duri

[nuts2you]

Now I do wonder if after these set of shows are done before her break, will she be going back to Lv to be with her kids or just stay close and do some promotion for this tour/ Album?

[A new day...]

If you asked me to IS part of the English playlist.

 

Personally I would love to hear « Then you look at me » or « I want you to need me » among many many others.

[Ukrfan]

One song I would Love from her is IF YOU ASK ME TO be added to the setlist at some point during this tour, and If There Was any other way, I would die to hear them,

 

She is already doing If You Ask Me To :wtf:

I would like ITWAOW as well!

[Ukrfan]

I have to say its surprise for me there are no dancers on this tour as its big world tour. I would expect something more than Celine and her band yes of course her voice is main reason to go to see her but still few dancers during some songs would be nice and could give those songs she is singig again and again something new at least visualy. Just saw trailer of Mylen Farmer tour film and I was like OMG what a production. Celine world superstar and her show is so cheap compare to another singers which cant be compared to Celine and they still have better production of tours.

 

Mylen's new show is so cool! Madonna dissapointed me with her production this year, so Mylen is what I hold to

 

I am watching Eyes on Me "live" music video and how amazing her performance with that song was on TCWT . Dancers, cape, Mego's flamenco interlude...

[Xpresso]

Mylène is like Madonna, it's all about the visuals/production - not so much about live vocals…