Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[fred]

Yea the FOMO handling is a bit odd. If it where LCMM we were talking about it would be a different matter.

 

But in my mind that whole "Mega Medley" is odd. So many covers, taking so much time each. LD and AOBTD both takes too long and adds nothing to the show. LM would had been "ok" in 2002 after the Moulain Rouge hysteria, but even then it would be seen as too copy cat, but now it's just "eh why?". Kiss is ok, but hardly mandontory after all this time.

Right now the medley seems to be the perfect bathroom break IMO. And when she treats it as the finale going "Merci Bonsoir" those lines seems even less credible than in her usual "endings" (before MHWGO).

 

I am still not fond of You're The Voice getting so much "air time". Sure it has a very nice and important message, and the intro music have they done very fine (but all the cringy bass treatment later on though...). That song would had fit very fine squeezed into a medley.

 

I really hope FOMO is implemented in a bigger part of this tour. Yes, I understand it's hard to sing the refrain night after night, so if she has to lip part of it, I understand wholeheartedly. But it's a new song, it's a FUN song, and the lyrics are so inspirational, at least for me, so I think people would get behind it. Plus, the beat is so much fun and she dances around with it so I think it would get people up and moving!

Edited October 10, 2019 at 03:11 PM by fred

[Ajax]

I think it’s pretty clear that Céline is more of a touring artist than a creative artist.

 

Ha Ho I was thinking the sentence would end like "....Than a studio artist". So I don't get it, you have to be a touring artist or a creative artist ? Explain us the opposition then please.

[emi&celine]

According to the source code of the Tour on Teleticketservice, both shows in Antwerp are almost sold out:

 

28/05/20: 17.067 / 17.167 sold

30/05/20: 17.144 / 17.167 sold

 

...and already 4.015 / 17.167 on the waiting list for a 3rd show!

[AdrienneM]

According to the source code of the Tour on Teleticketservice, both shows in Antwerp are almost sold out:

 

28/05/20: 17.067 / 17.167 sold

30/05/20: 17.144 / 17.167 sold

 

...and already 4.015 / 17.167 on the waiting list for a 3rd show!

 

17,167? Thats alot for an Sportpaleis show.. dont think shes ever done more than 15,500 per night there

[fred]

Sure the demands might be high but it's not like it would had been a fair thing to say "oh pooor Europe" if she didn't go here this tour, when she almost "just been here".

 

I'm not hearing any rampage about her not going to Vegas with this tour.

 

For Europe, by looking at sales, I’d say there’s never been more of a need than now. If after 3 years of not touring Europe the sales are this crazy, imagine what would happen if she would wait even longer...

[Peppercorn1991]

Sure the demands might be high but it's not like it would had been a fair thing to say "oh pooor Europe" if she didn't go here this tour, when she almost "just been here".

 

I'm not hearing any rampage about her not going to Vegas with this tour.

 

I would say the demand isn’t always about how long she waits between shows in a country, rather the positive experience people have had the last few years that makes them want to go again (and encourage friends too)

 

Kev x

[Xpresso]

Well Europe is one of her biggest markets, if not the biggest, so it makes sense that she tours as many European cities/countries as possible.

Now if she could only get some promoters from Spain and Portugal to convince her to come!

Edited October 10, 2019 at 04:44 PM by Xpresso

[celinesounds]

the only problem with the set list is because the songs doesnt flow

 

i never understood why she never did the opposite to her french shows from the english ones

90% french and 2 songs in english

makes more sense

she used to do that back in the 90's

Edited October 10, 2019 at 04:49 PM by celinesounds

[Alice]

I'd love that if she did a French show in Poland.

[Shaun]

No “legends” slot for Celine at Glastonbury 2020 then as Diana Ross has just been announced to have the slot. A shame too as Celine IS free that day!

[AdrienneM]

No “legends” slot for Celine at Glastonbury 2020 then as Diana Ross has just been announced to have the slot. A shame too as Celine IS free that day!

 

And yet she’ll be busy doing the tour. Isnt she in the middle of her Paris venture during Glastonbury weekend?

 

Edit: yep, shes on a two day break between her Paris shows on the 27th and 30th... so it wouldnt have been possible anyway

Edited October 10, 2019 at 05:28 PM by AdrienneM

[Shaun]

 

 

And yet she’ll be busy doing the tour. Isnt she in the middle of her Paris venture during Glastonbury weekend?

 

Edit: yep, shes on a two day break between her Paris shows on the 27th and 30th... so it wouldnt have been possible anyway

 

Hence she actually would be free to attend the legends slot in Glastonbury which is on the 28th. But it’s not happening anyway.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Hence she actually would be free to attend the legends slot in Glastonbury which is on the 28th. But it’s not happening anyway.

 

It would be unwise to do so and she’d probably not do it regardless but sure. Dont get me wrong, Id give anything to see her at Glastonbury

[sarit_celine]

I do get your issue with lipping I do, I share it. But somehow it seems inevitable for some songs to be lipped so i have come to accept it and keeping fingers crossed she won't be publicly exposed and shamed for doing so.

 

She has been lipping openers before: TPOL, and it's a GREAT opener.

 

I think it's fun that they changed up the opener a bit!

 

The only "sad" part about the opening to me, is that they preview Unsion, and then it os nowhere to be found in the setlist, but a bunch of unnesssary new covers are instead.

 

EDIT: oops yes, album thread! I can't wait to hear Play Me Like A Love Song!! That clip screamed QUALITAAAAYYY. And soon it's here.

 

So here I'm keep being upset about this issue in the right thread lol.

 

It just a matter of time that the 'p' darned issue will be back again in headlines

(I wish it won't, but doing it too many times knowing her current vocals condition... it gets risky...)

And I'm afraid once the media here will notice it too

people will go mad because the tickets are a robbery in broad daylight.

 

I don't blame those who swallow it, this is an endless dilema for me, if I will be in her show

I will have to swallow it too, while feeling stupid and sad at the same time, just because I admire her so much

 

Even if the prices weren't a robbery in broad daylight I still can't accept her doing this.

Faking a song, no delivery, no creativty, no nothing regarding her GREATEST HITS

that brought her to be the legend she is today, how I won't feel sad about it.

 

This is a stain on her career since it goes against her so known professionalism, her artistry

and such a disgrace toward the audience

that come to hear a live show, while many of them are even not aware

she does it.

 

It's the highest dishonest thing to do toward the people that come to see her in a live show

and like we say quailty over quantity. It's behind me she seems even not to care about it.

 

Again, I admire her a lot but there are these red lines I can't accept and won't lie, for me, it hurts badly the exprience

of seeing her performing here after waiting forever.

 

As for openers it was unclear why they started with Unison and then went to a lipped song.

I think it's nicer to open the show with an uptemo

 

I can't wait to hear PMLALS too, it's so haunting

[AdrienneM]

 

 

So here I'm keep being upset about this issue in the right thread lol.

 

It just a matter of time that the 'p' darned issue will be back again in headlines

(I wish it won't, but doing it too many times knowing her current vocals condition... it gets risky...)

And I'm afraid once the media here will notice it too

people will go mad because the tickets are a robbery in broad daylight.

 

I don't blame those who swallow it, this is an endless dilema for me, if I will be in her show

I will have to swallow it too, while feeling stupid and sad at the same time, just because I admire her so much

 

Even if the prices weren't a robbery in broad daylight I still can't accept her doing this.

Faking a song, no delivery, no creativty, no nothing regarding her GREATEST HITS

that brought her to be the legend she is today, how I won't feel sad about it.

 

This is a stain on her career since it goes against her so known professionalism, her artistry

and such a disgrace toward the audience

that come to hear a live show, while many of them are even not aware

she does it.

 

It's the highest dishonest thing to do toward the people that come to see her in a live show

and like we say quailty over quantity. It's behind me she seems even not to care about it.

 

Again, I admire her a lot but there are these red lines I can't accept and won't lie, for me, it hurts badly the exprience

of seeing her performing here after waiting forever.

 

As for openers it was unclear why they started with Unison and then went to a lipped song.

I think it's nicer to open the show with an uptemo

 

I can't wait to hear PMLALS too, it's so haunting

 

I think you’d struggle, no, find it impossible to name one singer who doesnt lip at least 2 songs in their shows. And thas being generous

[manu23]

If you don't accept lipping then you basically won't be able to go to any concer of any major artis nowadays. Saw Shania last year, +90% lipped, JLo last summer, +95% lipped, Mariah two years ago 40% probably, basically all hard part of her songs, Britney 100% lipped. And I could go on. By far Celine lips much less than any of the female artitst I've seen live (and her songs are much more demanding).

[sarit_celine]

I think you'd struggle, no, find it impossible to name one singer who doesnt lip at least 2 songs in their shows. And thas being generous

 

There are many artists in my country who are in Celine's age, or older than her, and I can confirm you they sing all their songs live

sometimes they will sound great and sometimes sucks but it's still LIVE and they respect themselves

as an artists and the audience. They do just fine without the demanding notes, but if a good veteran artist

will suddenly go for a "P", he is DONE and will be taken as a joke.

 

Celine has more shows to do, insane Tours so that's not fair to compare, that's why I think a quailty over quanity

it's much more fair here (Also for her own good).

 

I'm following only 3 artists closely, Celine, Shania and Luis Miguel.

 

Mexican singer Luis Miguel has just ended a Tour with a run of 150 shows during two years (soon hitting the age of 50), would sing live for 2 hours (sometimes less 1:40H) so I had no problems thanks God to go happliy to his shows in Spain, knowing all is live.

(Following him for 20 years he never used P in his live shows). I admit I don't know how he is doing this for so many years.

 

Rene and the producers crafted her to be this larger than life voice since her beginnings

in order to stand out and to have this international career she badly wanted, no wonder she got into this complicated situation

where she is today. Well, she sang PQTME and FOMO and other songs in lower key, so yes, some people might be dissapointed, but still people in the concert sang with her, were happy and all went just fine. So there are solutions when she really wants too.

It's really shouldn't be such a big deal and she can stop using the darned P for good

 

If you don't accept lipping then you basically won't be able to go to any concer of any major artis nowadays. Saw Shania last year, +90% lipped, JLo last summer, +95% lipped, Mariah two years ago 40% probably, basically all hard part of her songs, Britney 100% lipped. And I could go on. By far Celine lips much less than any of the female artitst I've seen live (and her songs are much more demanding).

 

Manu you're right, I never went to those "concerts".

I admire Shania and know all her story and that she has a medical condition going on with her vocal chords for some years now

but there is no way I will go to a 90% lipped show. It against my morals and hey we are not made of money.

 

With Celine things are far from there, I think I'm not asking too much when I don't want her to have an incident with this issue

or to be remembered as a P singer. I always admired those fans that couldn't never go to a show of their fav artist but still stayed loyal

(I've never been to a live show of Celine... yet...).

 

She sings her French songs live, and some of them are not easy ones, or that she is lowering keys, the same can go for the English setlist and no one will die if she will take out some of the demanding songs in English and go for a more wise vocal setlist.

I really wonder what she will do in her 60's, 70's, using a 30 years pre-recorded old track?

I'm glad for you that this issue doesn't ruin your exprience.

[nowanorris]

Gah - sorry, I know I've seen it posted somewhere before and I've been searching and can't find it. Does someone have the Courage logo (preferrable PNG) they can share? Or can you tell me the name of the font used?

 

Thanks!

[Loup_garou]

I'm following only 3 artists closely, Celine, Shania and Luis Miguel.

 

Mexican singer Luis Miguel has just ended a Tour with a run of 150 shows during two years (soon hitting the age of 50), would sing live for 2 hours (sometimes less 1:40H) so I had no problems thanks God to go happliy to his shows in Spain, knowing all is live.

(Following him for 20 years he never used P in his live shows). I admit I don't know how he is doing this for so many years.

 

 

LOL The same Luis Miguel which is total gamble maybe he'll appear as you say or appears absolutely inebriated, sometimes stoned to the top not being able to sing any song in full and don't get me started with cancellations and being late. Got family in Mexico and friends in argentina that were furious about the lack of professionalism on both concerts. That guy is a full-blown Narcissist.

 

He may not use playback but is far from an example of a reliable artist.

Edited October 10, 2019 at 08:23 PM by Loup_garou

[brendanm999]

Gah - sorry, I know I've seen it posted somewhere before and I've been searching and can't find it. Does someone have the Courage logo (preferrable PNG) they can share? Or can you tell me the name of the font used?

 

Thanks!

The font of "CELINE DION" is Neutra Text, but I believe "Courage" was handwritten.

https://www.google.com/search?q=celine+dion+courage+world+tour+logo&tbm=isch&source=lnt&tbs=ic:trans&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiiu5HAypLlAhXvlOAKHVe7B0AQpwUIJA&biw=1920&bih=969&dpr=1#imgrc=oabyGSCQw1OxfM:

Edited October 10, 2019 at 08:58 PM by brendanm999

[nowanorris]

The font of "CELINE DION" is Neutra Text, but I believe "Courage" was handwritten.

https://www.google.c...oabyGSCQw1OxfM:

 

Thank you!

[AdrienneM]

Still zero boxscore for the Quebec shows?

[Chantemoi]

 

I really wonder what she will do in her 60's, 70's, using a 30 years pre-recorded old track?

I'm glad for you that this issue doesn't ruin your exprience.

 

When I saw Cher in 2014, it was quite obviously more playback than not. We were really there to pay respects to a living legend, and enjoy the fashion show, but it wasn’t really enthralling. On the other hand, Cyndi Lauper (Cher’s opener - who has not kept the same grueling tour schedule over the years) sang 100% live and had me up on my feet dancing the whole set - and her vocals were on fire!! When I look back, Cyndi was the more memorable performance.

 

So to answer your question... if Céline isn’t careful, she could end up like Cher. People won’t badmouth her; they will silently accept that she has every right to use playback and rake in all the money she demands because of her stature as pop royalty.

Edited October 10, 2019 at 09:17 PM by Chantemoi

[Céline RO]

Ha Ho I was thinking the sentence would end like "....Than a studio artist". So I don't get it, you have to be a touring artist or a creative artist ? Explain us the opposition then please.

 

Sorry, I meant “studio artist” but I couldn’t find the right word. I hope you will now understand my post.

[sarit_celine]

LOL The same Luis Miguel which is total gamble maybe he'll appear as you say or appears absolutely inebriated, sometimes stoned to the top not being able to sing any song in full and don't get me started with cancellations and being late. Got family in Mexico and friends in argentina that were furious about the lack of professionalism on both concerts. That guy is a full-blown Narcissist.

 

He may not use playback but is far from an example of a reliable artist.

 

I can easily contradict each one of your lies about him but this therad is not about him so take your hate to another place.

Thanks.

[Xpresso]

I have a better idea. Why don't you open a lipping thread and see if I'm there?

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I can easily contradict each one of your lies about him but this therad is not about him so take your hate to another place.

Thanks.

 

Having a completely valid opinion of someone isnt hate. Ive seen worse said on here about Celine. But agreed; this isnt a Luis thread, a Cher thread or a Shania thread. So maybe lets get back to Celine and her tour

[Loup_garou]

 

Having a completely valid opinion of someone isnt hate. Ive seen worse said on here about Celine. But agreed; this isnt a Luis thread, a Cher thread or a Shania thread. So maybe lets get back to Celine and her tour

 

Ditto

[sarit_celine]

When I saw Cher in 2014, it was quite obviously more playback than not. We were really there to pay respects to a living legend, and enjoy the fashion show, but it wasn't really enthralling. On the other hand, Cyndi Lauper (Cher's opener - who has not kept the same grueling tour schedule over the years) sang 100% live and had me up on my feet dancing the whole set - and her vocals were on fire!! When I look back, Cyndi was the more memorable performance.

 

So to answer your question... if Céline isn't careful, she could end up like Cher. People won't badmouth her; they will silently accept that she has every right to use playback and rake in all the money she demands because of her stature as pop royalty.

 

Thanks for sharing, I love some songs of Cyndi, nice to know she is still singing live I will check about it.

 

You know, if so many fans are ok with this lipping then why they get so angry when Celine is settling down

herself with the setlists? One thing hauls the other.

I already wrote that she is a human being, not wanting her to kill her vocals,

defended her also today for this issue when my friends told me I should

be stupid for going to her show when she keep doing it

 

She is only 51 but those are just things I keep wondering about

seeing the situation now and knowing how it has been for so many years.

Celine still has a lot what to offer, and I believe she will be able to rock it even when hitting 60

only if she will be adviced to go for a wise vocal setlist and forget about the Sia and others - killing vocals tunes.

 

Thinking about it again, how I wish she will have for us the French setlist and not the English one

but that is just a dream since she never had French hits here.

No matters how grande a certain singer is, lipping can never be justified.

Faking something just can't be jusified, disrespecting her own art come on.

 

So I guess we won't never agree about this issue.

Besides that, I hope she will get through this insane unwise planned Tour

and just feel well.

Always wishing her the best

[sarit_celine]

Having a completely valid opinion of someone isnt hate. Ive seen worse said on here about Celine. But agreed; this isnt a Luis thread, a Cher thread or a Shania thread. So maybe lets get back to Celine and her tour

 

Yes, but there is a difference between an opinion and facts, since I happened to be on his shows and so are many of my friends

that went to see him. Anyway, 4 more days to her return, really wish she is doing better.