Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[Javito]

I actually quite like the design of the show. It seems like a combination of the LTAL World Tour and the TC World Tour with a few new and modern elements added in.

 

1. The stage looks stunning. It's so big and complex. Probably as good as the Taking Chances stage (the central one, of course) was. Why were some people saying it was small when we first got pics?

 

2. Céline's outfits. They look more like something Annie would do and I love that. This is the first time since the 2013 tour that I actually agreed to and even liked all of her outfits. The more neutral colors fit her better than the vibrant colors used for Hyde Park (which actually had great outfits too!).

 

3. Surprisingly, I actually love the medley and Scott didn't lie when he said "a medley of hits" (if he even did), he never said "Céline's hits" ��

 

And why do people act as if she did a ridiculously large amount of covers?

 

In LTAL World Tour she did the "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" /" Because" / "Tears in Heaven" / "All the Way" medley and the "Stayin' Alive" / "You Should be Dancing" medley.

 

Then, in the TCWT she did the "We Will Rock You" / "The Show Must Go On" medley and the "I Got the Feelin" / "I Got You (I Feel Good)" medley. And let's not forget about "It's a Man's Man's Man's World".

 

I think what annoyed the most is that it was a French show here, but the medley incorporated mostly English songs... made popular by others. And yes, that was the medley she did during the English shows of the LTAL tour, but she had the decency of creating a French version for the francophone concerts too. That's a difference here.

 

Why couldn't she do a medley in a French show with French songs? And why can't she do a medley with her own songs, as she did in 1999, 2013, and 2016? She has plenty of beautiful French songs in her back catalogue.

 

What shocks and annoys is her irrational obsession including random covers on every tour, here in English, even if it's a French show and a mostly French-speaking country.

 

Yes, some say it was only 12 minutes and You Are The Voice, but what I see is 15 lost minutes of show that she could have used to perform songs of her discography that are true gems

Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:54 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

Funnily enough she sounded incredible and clear and strong on Dans Un Autre Monde, i thought for a second we had time travelled back to Paris 2013

[sebulba]

About the setlist is it just me but Beauty and the beast I would be more than happy if they ditched that song. Sooo boring.

Also agree with the setlist about the songs but understand why. I mean majority of the audience is probably first-timers. And if I would go to see an artist for the first time I would want the hits. Thing is we see every concert either live or Youtube so of course we get tired of the same stuff. So we should probably be happy if there is like two or three "new" songs I think.

I think it would sound different if anyone didn't see anything for like a year or two in between. But doing that you wouldn't be a hardcore Celine-fan.

Anyway hope you get my point.

 

Agree that FOMO shouldn't be in the medley.

 

Also I feel she sang many songs in the way they are sung in the studio version or similar. Which for me is a minus. In concert it should sound different from studio.

I think she has been doing good job singing many song different the past years.

 

Btw the guitar guy in the kilt was damn cool!

Think I've seen him before somewhere.....

Who is that dude?

[Nmj]

I think Pepe has come to learn Celine's discography and repertoire... only a couple of days ago. Honestly

 

(And yes, Pepe is credited as part of the creative team for this tour).

 

Pepe will dress her in the most daring outfit but won’t suggest she change the setlist or drop that dreadful “You’re The Voice”. Lol

[Xpresso]

Just wait for the full English show before getting too worked up.

[Nmj]

Funnily enough she sounded incredible and clear and strong on Dans Un Autre Monde, i thought for a second we had time travelled back to Paris 2013

 

For 51, nothings wrong with her voice... I think it was a combination of nerves and like what Javito said being bored to death of the same songs... I think she sounded great on the two new songs.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

For 51, nothings wrong with her voice... I think it was a combination of nerves and like what Javito said being bored to death of the same songs... I think she sounded great on the two new songs.

 

Agreed, imo she perfectly matched the new songs with ease

[Nmj]

Just wait for the full English show before getting too worked up.

 

I bought tickets for the first English show...hopefully you’re right but I’m so skeptical.

 

I’m thinking of selling my tickets, cause they were expensive for this show that they offering... however i say “what if” for once they do make it a great show and take chances on the US leg, I’d kick myself... I guess I have 30 days to decide.

[SuperLove4Celine]

I’m fine with the “required” hits. I am understanding to Celine’s vocal changes due to age. I get every singer has “off” nights vocally due to nerves, stress, fatigue, illness, etc. I know casual fans don’t care (or don’t know yet if they’d care) about the hidden gems. What pisses me off is that it’s ultimately Celine’s final say as to what gets performed, and she chooses this setlist!?!?!

 

I’ve said it many times before, and I will say it again. Celine is an entertainer, not an artist. A damn amazing entertainer, but at the end of the day, still an entertainer. Unfortunately, I think many on here are now seeing this as the truth like a smack across the face.

[Xpresso]

I think she sounded great on the new songs because she rehearsed them way more than the older ones...

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I bought tickets for the first English show...hopefully you’re right but I’m so skeptical.

 

I’m thinking of selling my tickets, cause they were expensive for this show that they offering... however i say “what if” for once they do make it a great show and take chances on the US leg, I’d kick myself... I guess I have 30 days to decide.

 

You could always sell these expensive ones and get cheaper tics, so either way youre winning, if its great, you saw it, if you hate it, you aint lost much money

[Ajax]

we know she's not training her voice as much as she used to not so long ago, and this also shows.

 

No we don’t know. If there’s one thing we don t know is what she is exactly doing with her vocal chords. From medicines to medical experts, teachers and so on.

 

Since René Charles birth she claimed everywhere that it was over. Things like : Singing with her heart. Taking control of her life over her vocal chord. And many many others. We are way too literal for Celine. She almost only communicate with images. But at the end it doesn’t mean much and even sometimes means the contrary. It s also part of her long contradiction list.

 

What I want to say is that I well remember how many times we were in this exact context : I’m not singing with my vocal cords anymore blabla blaaaaaa while also being in very bad vocal chords condition during Vegas. And it happened several times that we got confirmation in her mouth or directly by her team things like : she just got a new singing teacher that she reached out herself, had her personal medical experts vocal coach, or was even still doing day off vocally. No one would have thought that. It happened several times.

 

In all her recent medical issues she must have been very, like VERY well surrounded by experts and we can also think that she has never cared that much about technic with a vocal coach etc. Just also because she has too.

 

Also, we learnt she had a new vocal coach for her Celine show. And we know how much she developed new aspects like Melisma, head voice, opérette style etc.... it seems clear that she just recently developed again a new approach of singing in studio and live. She has never sung in such a modern way. Sometimes, on some parts it clearly comes from new technics, things that she just learnt or worked on. I wouldn’t be surprise that she found again a new vocal coach or changed her approach on lessons and developed new skills with a professional.

 

Can we say she is less extreme than before in term of preserving her voice ? Yes I think. Can we say she stoped preserving it, taking lessons, consult experts etc... no. There are many fields in Celine’s career where I wouldn’t say “we know” but especially in this aspect.

[Xpresso]

She said before that her vocal chords are not leading her life like it did in the past. But I'm sure she is still being careful to protect it.

[cdfan32]

Just wait for the full English show before getting too worked up.

 

I only cared about the French show. I've heard all of her English songs, and concerts, dozens of times in my life already.

[Javito]

I think she sounded great on the new songs because she rehearsed them way more than the older ones...

 

You mean she has to rehearse PQTME, Dans un autre monde or SSDA in order to sound good? How many more times? So the other previous 1,200 times she has performed these songs are not enough??

 

Honestly, I want to take you seriously but with posts like this I.just.cant.

[Xpresso]

 

 

You mean she has to rehearse PQTME, Dans un autre monde or SSDA in order to sound good? How many more times? So the other previous 1,200 times she has performed these songs are not enough??

 

Honestly, I want to take you seriously but with posts like this I.just.cant.

After a two-month break. Maybe she does! And your sarcasm is annoying, yet again. Leave me alone and block me.

[Davey84]

I doubt that these concerts are full first time goers especially in Quebec! The woman has a career of 38 years for crying out loud! Don't underestimate the percentage of people who keep going to see her concert again and again.

 

I bet at least 60 percent has seen her before and everyone one will say: she looked amazing, the videos were cool, she sounded great, but I've heard all the songs last time, except 2 new tracks.

 

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[Javito]

No we don't know. If there's one thing we don t know is what she is exactly doing with her vocal chords. From medicines to medical experts, teachers and so on.

 

Since René Charles birth she claimed everywhere that it was over. Things like : Singing with her heart. Taking control of her life over her vocal chord. And many many others. We are way too literal for Celine. She almost only communicate with images. But at the end it doesn't mean much and even sometimes means the contrary. It s also part of her long contradiction list.

 

What I want to say is that I well remember how many times we were in this exact context : I'm not singing with my vocal cords anymore blabla blaaaaaa while also being in very bad vocal chords condition during Vegas. And it happened several times that we got confirmation in her mouth or directly by her team things like : she just got a new singing teacher that she reached out herself, had her personal medical experts vocal coach, or was even still doing day off vocally. No one would have thought that. It happened several times.

 

In all her recent medical issues she must have been very, like VERY well surrounded by experts and we can also think that she has never cared that much about technic with a vocal coach etc. Just also because she has too.

 

Also, we learnt she had a new vocal coach for her Celine show. And we know how much she developed new aspects like Melisma, head voice, opérette style etc.... it seems clear that she just recently developed again a new approach of singing in studio and live. She has never sung in such a modern way. Sometimes, on some parts it clearly comes from new technics, things that she just learnt or worked on. I wouldn't be surprise that she found again a new vocal coach or changed her approach on lessons and developed new skills with a professional.

 

Can we say she is less extreme than before in term of preserving her voice ? Yes I think. Can we say she stoped preserving it, taking lessons, consult experts etc... no. There are many fields in Celine's career where I wouldn't say "we know" but especially in this aspect.

 

Well that's true, but I didn't say she's not "taking care" of her voice anymore or that she doesn't consult the doctors. We do know she has a vocal coach or a vocal teacher. But she certainly doesn't train as hard as before, because she has said so several times now. Her vocal chords are not in charge of her, she is in charge of her vocal chords now. And we know she drinks occasionally now, when with René apparantely she had this almost forbidden, because they didn't go out nor have the occasion to have a drink.

 

And I have no idea about vocal techniques; nor I get what you mean with "modern" technique but I do realise her vocal precision these days has changed and it's not the quality she had in 1998-2007 recordings. That's obvious if you compare the SSDA album with Encore un soir. Of course her voice has matured, and it has lowered her register and her tone. But certainly whoever suggested her employing the "technique" she used to record the LMBTL album, she/he'd better got fired, because it didn't work. Don't tell me you call that a "technique" you enjoyed

 

We all have different tastes anyway! I'm glad you enjoy her "new" voice today,

[Nmj]

I doubt that these concerts are full first time goers especially in Quebec! The woman has a career of 38 years for crying out loud! Don't underestimate the percentage of people who keep going to see her concert again and again.

 

I bet at least 60 percent has seen her before and everyone one will say: she looked amazing, the videos were cool, she sounded great, but I've heard all the songs last time, except 2 new tracks.

 

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Exactly, this whole tour will probably be much like that... let’s not forget that way over 3 million people saw her just since 2003... many people even traveled to Vegas to see her or seen her while on vacation there... mostly all of these shows she’s about to perform probably have a really healthy percentage of people NOT seeing her for the first time.

[Javito]

I doubt that these concerts are full first time goers especially in Quebec! The woman has a career of 38 years for crying out loud! Don't underestimate the percentage of people who keep going to see her concert again and again.

 

I bet at least 60 percent has seen her before and everyone one will say: she looked amazing, the videos were cool, she sounded great, but I've heard all the songs last time, except 2 new tracks.

 

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Some people in this forum, despite being loyal fans and having been around for ages, are incapable of admitting this, sadly. They won't give in

 

Exactly Davey. As if most people that go to see Celine in her native Canada are in their first time. Most of people in her audiences are middle-aged and older! They surely have seen her before, especially in Canada and the US, where for obvious reasons she has performed most of times in her career!

Edited September 20, 2019 at 05:15 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

I doubt that these concerts are full first time goers especially in Quebec! The woman has a career of 38 years for crying out loud! Don't underestimate the percentage of people who keep going to see her concert again and again.

 

I bet at least 60 percent has seen her before and everyone one will say: she looked amazing, the videos were cool, she sounded great, but I've heard all the songs last time, except 2 new tracks.

 

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Well... she hasn’t performed in Quebec since 2016 and when she was there last it was like 85% french, the last time she did english hits outside of MHWGO,IACBTMN,BYLM and TPOL was 2008, so imo, they wouldve been no complaints hearing her other English songs, as well as new ones AND Regarde Moi, Ziggy and A Vous, songs theyve never heard in QC/ havent heard in 2 decades

[Céline RO]

She said before that her vocal chords are not leading her life like it did in the past. But I'm sure she is still being careful to protect it.

 

Yes she still protects it. In fact, in one of the recent interviews (I think it was the Today Show) the interviewer said that Céline couldn’t do something because she was saving her voice (probably for the tour rehearsals).

[Alex_Incognito]

Oh please. Your average fan doesn't sit there with a notebook and say "Ziggy...wow we've not heard this since 1996".

[Céline RO]

Funnily enough she sounded incredible and clear and strong on Dans Un Autre Monde, i thought for a second we had time travelled back to Paris 2013

 

Yeah, she also did great on “S’il suffisait d’aimer”, “Ziggy”, “Encore un soir”, “Courage”, “Lying Down” and surprisingly even RDMH!

[zuv]

I doubt that these concerts are full first time goers especially in Quebec! The woman has a career of 38 years for crying out loud! Don't underestimate the percentage of people who keep going to see her concert again and again.

 

I bet at least 60 percent has seen her before and everyone one will say: she looked amazing, the videos were cool, she sounded great, but I've heard all the songs last time, except 2 new tracks.

 

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When she performed TLBSEPT for the first time ever in Summer 2016 that was definitely a wink 😉 to her hardcore fan base. At least, i like to believe so. It made that whole concert.

 

What was so hard to please them again this time. Like i’m amazed how so little thoughts were givin to this setlist.

 

Like there’s absolutely nothing for us.... maybe A Vous?....

This concert was only to please the general public.

Hopefully the English concert version will have some surprises. If so I might go see it in Miami.

 

[artistman2007]

Ok u guys who go to the show and just scream and try to take a pic , be honest and tell her just one word sing ur own songs , she will not know , and its really tiring to speak to ourselves and she thinks we are happy , the show is really boring

[Javito]

After a two-month break. Maybe she does! And your sarcasm is annoying, yet again. Leave me alone and block me.

 

It wasn't sarcasm...

 

And I seriously can't believe you think she needs to rehearse songs like PQTME and SSDA after more than 20 years she's been singing them nonstop.

[Shaun]

If nothing else look at the charts. See what’s popular with the people buying and listening to your music Céline’s 3 most recent chart hits in Quebec are:

 

Flying On My Own #1

Ashes #1

Je nous veux #10

 

Quite how only one of these got a minute and a half in a medley is bizarre.

[cdfan32]

Honestly at this point, I'm getting the feeling Celine just does not care about her own songs, whether they're English or French. Maybe since she didn't write them, she doesn't even remember the lyrics to the ones she hasn't sung 1 million times by now. I would have been thrilled to hear even Destin, Les Derniers Seront Les Premiers, En Attendent Ses Pas, or anything from 1F4T or D'elles. She picked literally the most bland and boring songs out of her entire French setlist. The mind boggles and I facepalm every time I look at the setlist.

[Ajax]

I've said it many times before, and I will say it again. Celine is an entertainer, not an artist. A damn amazing entertainer, but at the end of the day, still an entertainer. Unfortunately, I think many on here are now seeing this as the truth like a smack across the face.

 

This doesn't make sense. You cannot tell that someone is not an artist based on your own taste. That's intellectually not possible as well as making a difference between an artist and an entertainer. That sounds unreal.

 

This girl, at 12, almost stopped school to practice her art, at the same age, she wasn't able to write properly or maybe even express herself, but she was already able to sing like no one on this earth, Nor she was even pretty smart or educated, but she was able to sing her heart out, to move people like no one.That s basically what she's doing since she is born. And she worked on that, she worked on her interpretation skills, she worked on her language, she dedicated her life to her art, her entire life. The only people that surrounded her all her life were craftsmen able to work on sound, stage and of course artists : choregraphers, dancers, singers, producers, visual creators. Before stadiums and success at 14, she was on stage, trying to move people that weren't necesseraly here for her, after that she was in the studio, building songs, building feelings, building notes, with other artists. She created shows after shows after shows all her life, the only thing she tried till now is to create art and move people with her art.

 

She is the definition of an artist, in Celine's case, it's her whole life, it 's her DNA, her blood. At a point where it's even sad to say that it's almost the only thing she has (well with motherhood blabla) and it maybe saved her life when child. Now that René died where did she found confort ? In art again, dance.That's just who she is, an artist.

 

That's a big problem you are not able to make a difference between an artist and your own taste or expectations on what someone should sing on stage. A bit crazy no ? All the artists you don't like or question tastes are not artists ?

 

Call her a shitty artist then, i'm fine with that. Sometimes that's even what I think

So many painters, musicians that I don't like and question choices, But I don't build a definition based on what I like or define as good or bad, that's not how it works please.