Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[Davey84]

Davey you should be more specific in your tweet. The word stink just kill everything as it is an opinion.

 

Let s be pragmatic.

 

You told us you put back on the table her old repertoire as well as surprises. —> Not even one song from her back catalogue that wasn't t sung xbillions times. And still searching for the surprises. Any explanation ?

 

feel free to tweet her that! Hopefully she'll investigate!

[manu23]

I know this is like talking to a wall but I will give it another try Javi. As Ajax has very well explained, nobody criticizes your opinions, but your constant repetitive posts, your ways trying to twist arguments to validate your views, how you call other people names (idolaters, delusional, etc) when they don't agree with you, how you make statements as if you have the absolute truth "all the fans agree with me" "the audience is unsatisfied" "Vegas has killed Celine's international career". Those statements are your opinion, and in many cases are quite far from reality.

 

As a fan I'm not happy with the set list either (though I think it will improve when the album is out), but I also understand it is not an easy job to build a set list that will please hardcore fans, general public and Celine as the performer. I can tell you from experience that the audience reacts better to Purple Rain than to LIAWN or Misled (just an example). So yes, they could be more daring adding less known songs from Celine's own repertory, but they have a formula that has worked for many years and still works. She is selling out and she is pleasing audiences and getting better reviews than ever before.

 

Davey is not happy with the set list but he is actually doing something about it. Hes is Twitting about it, letting them know his opinion. You should do the same, we here already know yours, you gain nothing repeating exactly the same thing again and again to us. Write to them! Put all that energy into trying to change things, comment every post on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and let them know how disappointed you and many others are, maybe that way things change. I really enCourage you to do so

Edited September 20, 2019 at 01:59 PM by manu23

[Ajax]

Don t have tweeter.

scott price has tweeter? If yes just something like:

 

Quotes from the interview Vs Reality —> explanation.

 

There are 2/3 quotes to take from this interview that were purely false and lie from the first show.

Edited September 20, 2019 at 02:00 PM by Ajax

[Shamrock_1982]

I’d love sia to join her once on this tour for lying down.

 

I don’t like her backup singers on those track... it would be better with diss vocals on this and my favourite bit of the song is the drums in the middle so if they made them louder at this part in the show it would be epic!

 

Anyone excited about tonight’s show??? Lol

 

I’d love to know if they had a meeting or will change anything tonight.

 

I guess if nothing at all changes tonight it tells us everything lol.

 

Still happy thought that LCMM is gone and hope it stays this way through the tour.

[Shamrock_1982]

You sure Scott is on Twitter???

[Ajax]

Don t know. Don’t think so unfortunately.

[todos]

Wow! What's going on in this threat?

 

Everyone has an opinion and if you don't like what you read just ignore.

 

The tour setlist is not that great for die hard fans but attending a Celine concert gives more than just the music. The whole package is worth it...maybe not for 400 plus Euros when you have listened in person to the similar setlist year after year😁

Edited September 20, 2019 at 02:15 PM by todos

[CelinesDIVO5]

I just saw a video bootleg of the show. I am upset, I am appalled, I am angry!

 

This is the worst set list I have ever seen! Someone need to fire Scott NOW!

The disgrace that is putting FOMO IN A f****** MEDLEY!!

 

If they spend 80% of the effort they put into the setlist as those interlude videos, which were gorgeous!

 

I have lost all hope for the English show. Maybe the French version was an after thought, but I got zero respect for her team right now. In 23 years of being a fan I can't remember I have ever been so mad but also disappointed at her and her team. I am happy I didn't spend thousands of euros to go to Quebec City to witness this mess.

 

DAVEY!

[CelinesDIVO5]

Ajax, your reactions in the thread of "I Have To Dream", after I took the time to seek about the background of this song and ask the songwriter about his inspiration for it:

 

 

 

 

 

Please notice the absolutely harsh, severe and ridiculing tone of the latter post. I don't think someone can hate and trash more a song like you did here. But it's all good, I don't come after you in anger to force you like the song, trying to "correct" your opinion!

 

And I don't see you acknowledging my support and love for this song? Just mocking it. And mocking those who like it Does that bother you? It seems so. Javito likes a song, let's mock him deeply. Javito likes an album and only has good words about it. Let's stone him. You are annoyed for this. Right...

 

That's how far your unbiased judgement goes with me. Same as the other 3-4 people that are constantly attacking me saying I only repeat myself and post negative things here. You cannot be more hypocrite and false people. Even when you also severly criticised and pinpointed the SAME things and critics about Wednesday's show. Same as me.

 

You are only here either to add fuel to the fire (Xpresso), to mock someone all the time, or to beat a dead horse. That's how far you contribute in this forum. Sad for you guys

 

As has been explained to you multiple times, your opinions are not the problem.

[Javito]

I know this is like talking to a wall but I will give it another try Javi. As Ajax has very well explained, nobody criticizes your opinions, but your constant repetitive posts, your ways trying to twist arguments to validate your views, how you call other people names (idolaters, delusional, etc) when they don't agree with you, how you make statements as if you have the absolute truth "all the fans agree with me" "the audience is unsatisfied" "Vegas has killed Celine's international career". Those statements are your opinion, and in many cases are quite far from reality.

 

As a fan I'm not happy with the set list either (though I think it will improve when the album is out), but I also understand it is not an easy job to build a set list that will please hardcore fans, general public and Celine as the performer. I can tell you from experience that the audience reacts better to Purple Rain than to LIAWN or Misled (just an example). So yes, they could be more daring adding less known songs from Celine's own repertory, but they have a formula that has worked for many years and still works. She is selling out and she is pleasing audiences and getting better reviews than ever before.

 

Davey is not happy with the set list but he is actually doing something about it. Hes is Twitting about it, letting them know his opinion. You should do the same, we here already know yours, you gain nothing repeating exactly the same thing again and again to us. Write to them! Put all that energy into trying to change things, comment every post on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and let them know how disappointed you and many others are, maybe that way things change. I really enCourage you to do so

 

1) I only posted a couple of times to show disappointment about this show. Is that being repetitive, or is just aversion against me posting anything negative at this point? I'm convinced it's the latter

 

2) I'm not giving you names, you and a few other members here are earning those titles because you simply don't tolerate any form of criticism and always see everything pink. That's being delusional and not accepting that other people is disappointed and above all, that they have all their right to express that disappointment.

 

3) I absolutely didn't say "all the fans agree with me", I do say most of fans agree on an opinion, and that is: most of fans in this forum have been disappointed. I can barely see any positive reviews regarding the awful setlist we got. That's different from saying that everyone agrees with me. Please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say, nor twist what I say with other words (talk about twisting arguments! )

 

4) "Vegas has killed Celine's international career". That remains to be seen with the new album and this tour, when it ends and as tickets are going on sale. And yes, I do maintain Vegas HAS killed her international career as far as her life in radios worldwide is concerned. And it happened almost overnight, once she started her retirement in Vegas, in a specific year. If you don't want to accept this, it's not my problem, it's your unique blind view.

 

5) It's not easy to buy a setlist (having a creative team of people "working" for her all the time), but it's easier to rack one's brains finding what the next bunch of random covers will be best to include in her next tour, and bring Bowie, Queen and Prince songs? When you have Marnay, Plamondon, Veneruso and another countless list of excellent songwriters with true gems that remain in the dark, never presented to the public??? Yeah of course. Please... I can't buy that argument

 

6) Do you really think that posting in her social media is of any use at all? Have you ever thought it was? Who lied to you? Please, I thank you for your suggestion, but let's not be even more delusionals here. They are even incapable of reaching us in 30 years of career to ask us what songs would we like her to perform in Vegas (where she had 1,100 chances to do so), or what singles to be taken from this or that album... as if they were to care what we want her to sing on this tour, now that she's the "boss"! Man, she didn't care before René, now she is going to care less than ever about what others tell her to do!!

Edited September 20, 2019 at 02:51 PM by Javito

[Javito]

As has been explained to you multiple times, your opinions are not the problem.

 

My opinions are not the problem, it's the repetition. Okay. But it happens that if the SAME mistakes, actions and disappointments happen over and over again, year after year, tour after tour, album after album, my opinions are repeated, restated and shared again. Same as others do. Because basically all we get from her and year after year is the same.old.thing

Edited September 20, 2019 at 02:49 PM by Javito

[Ajax]

 

 

1) I only posted a couple of times to show disappointment about this show. Is that being repetitive, or is just aversion against me posting anything negative at this point? I'm convinced it's the latter

 

2) I'm not giving you names, you and a few other members here are earning those titles because you simply don't tolerate any form of criticism and always see everything pink. That's being delusional and not accepting that other people is disappointed and above all, that they have all their right to express that disappointment.

 

3) I absolutely didn't say "all the fans agree with me", I do say most of fans agree on an opinion, and that is: most of fans in this forum have been disappointed. I can barely see any positive reviews regarding the awful setlist we got. That's different from saying that everyone agrees with me. Please don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say, nor twist what I say with other words (talk about twisting arguments! )

 

4) "Vegas has killed Celine's international career". That remains to be seen with the new album and this tour, when it ends and as tickets are going on sale. And yes, I do maintain Vegas HAS killed her international career as far as her life in radios worldwide is concerned. And it happened almost overnight, once she started her retirement in Vegas, in a specific year. If you don't want to accept this, it's not my problem, it's your unique blind view.

 

5) It's not easy to buy a setlist (having a creative team of people "working" for her all the time), but it's easier to rack one's brains finding what the next bunch of random covers will be best to include in her next tour, and bring Bowie, Queen and Prince songs? When you have Marnay, Plamondon, Veneruso and another countless list of excellent songwriters with true gems that remain in the dark, never presented to the public??? Yeah of course. Please... I can't buy that argument

 

6) Do you really think that posting in her social media is of any use at all? Have you ever thought it was? Who lied to you? Please, I thank you for your suggestion, but let's not be even more delusionals here. They are even incapable of reaching us in 30 years of career to ask us what songs would we like her to perform in Vegas (where she had 1,100 chances to do so), or what singles to be taken from this or that album... as if they were to care what we want her to sing on this tour, now that she's the "boss"! Man, she didn't care before René, now she is going to care less than ever about what others tell her to do!!

 

You had 2 options

 

- Move on / at best say hey ok got it. Will try to repeat myself a bit less as many of u seems to bother.

- Repeat yourself.

 

 

[browseceline]

i am dissapointed but if this english setlist is kind of the same i seriously consider either not to go or buy inexpensive seats. my wallet will not bleed;)

 

Only thing i did like are Courage and Lying down. These were great. Please Celine be that couragious to say..gone with the umpteenth crowdpleasers and fresh up this setlist!

 

 

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[Javito]

You had 2 options

 

- Move on / at best say hey ok got it. Will try to repeat myself a bit less as many of u seems to bother.

- Repeat yourself.

 

Okay, and you had one too: ignore me Use the ignore function and you won't see my annoying repeating again

[sarit_celine]

Okay, and you had one too: ignore me Use the ignore function and you won't see my annoying repeating again

 

Many others here wrote the same things as you wrote, but you're the one to get

the repetitive blaming finger lol. Javito, keep it rolling. Don't let anyone to get you down.

Nothing wrong in asking to get the best of the best of/for that amazing performer.

 

Waiting to see what will happen in the concert tonight.

Btw I don't think that even massive tweeting campaign

might bother anyone of her team on the setlist aspect.

 

Beside that, I'm bit worried about the situation of her vocal chords

hope she will be able to handle that as well and preserving her voice

for this long Tour she has ahead of her.

[CelineDionFreak]

Wasn’t she supposed to be on ET last night for the behind the scenes of the first night of the tour?

[Xpresso]

 

 

I was about to send you a PM, since your personal aversion against me is getting really annoying, but I'm not even wasting my time nor dedicating more attention to you on this.

 

Your statement saying I don't post other than complaints in this forum just proves how much aversion you can embrace, because it's utterly FALSE. There are still many positive posts and things that I share in other threads and many fans that appreciate what I share about specific albums and songs, and still enjoy my love and passion with the things I love about Celine, which are quite many. But oh, surprise, you never acknowledge this, never said a word or a "thank you" when I share things here. That's not of your liking right? That you are blind to see and you are too focused only on the negatives, it's YOUR own problem You cannot be more hypocrite now.

 

There have been literally dozens of posts complaining about the first show of this tour in this forum, but for some reason that escapes me, you ALWAYS come after me like an enraged dog. Same as manu, that it looks as if he had an alert on when I post to just immediately come and post something complaining and criticising me or what I post. Always. One could even think that you're obsessed with me, Jesus! And I'm sick of this situation.

 

So there was a show. And we shared opinions and critics. Oh, opinions? That what you lack, because apparently you see absolutely everything right, fine and with pink glasses. That you share opinions here, that's false. What you do is permanent bitching and mocking posts towards what others do OPINE and contribute. Ah contributions, that's what you precisely don't do here. Zero contributions. You're posts are as empty of interest as TeamCeline's emails Because you only post silly banal comments, most of times moaning and criticising what others have said That's your main activity here.

 

Leave me alone.

 

Stop moaning about the "moaners".

 

I don't mind being banned/warned of this forum. It became a much boring place to freely opine and have rich and open discussions precisely of people like you, who can't tolerate negative opinions. Even when a vast majority of fans are agreeing on the same criticisms. So if you can't deal with criticism and complaints, just go somewhere else, thank you

 

Edit: And I apologise for the embarrasing post that other nice people here have to see, but if people stops posting here and leaves this forum, you need to know publicly the reason why

Just leaving this here for the moderators to moderate. Oh and maybe you forgot your pill today.

Your main activity is repeating and repeating... just like Celine's setlist I guess.

Edited September 20, 2019 at 03:50 PM by Xpresso

[Davey84]

Guys theres enough trouble in Celine land please stop!

 

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[AdrienneM]

I cant believe there are people acting as if she cant sing LEE... she had an off night vocally, I remember thinking she was gonna ruin herself with the Asia tour but she got better and better as it went on, the Tokyo show was iffy and off, but the Macau shows were GREAT, yall are acting as if 1 bad performance equally a ruined voice and an inability to sing the song, in the 2016 tour she sang it in the current key for the first few shows and then took it back up when she was better, id assume she’ll do that now. I cant wait for her to be back slaying LEE so yall can stop with the whole “this is sad” mess

[Xpresso]

She will get better vocally. The stress and all these interviews sure didn't help her voice.

I wish she would pick some easier songs vocally... like Imperfections for example.

[Nmj]

I personally think she sounded fine; she’s 51, was nervous at premiere night... that’s not my worry.. she doesn’t sound like 1997 or 2002 Celine but that’s normal she’s human; even at 51 she’s better than any 20 year old.

 

Now that setlist and lack of any damn creativity is what makes me over it. On top of all that, this whole entire “Courage” World Tour seems like it was falsely advertised. They said a “Courageous” Tour it was not... only 2.5 songs from the album.

They said they would dig deep into the back catalogue to find some gems; they didn’t. If someone has watched any YouTube tour videos or has seen Celine on tour in the last 20 plus years; they can’t be happy with this “show”.

 

If they named the show “Celine live 2019” instead of “Courage” I’d almost get it; but nothing about this tour is Courageous; they should’ve have called the tour “The Courage To Live In The Past”.

[Javito]

Many others here wrote the same things as you wrote, but you're the one to get

the repetitive blaming finger lol. Javito, keep it rolling. Don't let anyone to get you down.

Nothing wrong in asking to get the best of the best of/for that amazing performer.

 

Waiting to see what will happen in the concert tonight.

Btw I don't think that even massive tweeting campaign

might bother anyone of her team on the setlist aspect.

 

Beside that, I'm bit worried about the situation of her vocal chords

hope she will be able to handle that as well and preserving her voice

for this long Tour she has ahead of her.

 

THANK YOU :flowers:

 

I cant believe there are people acting as if she cant sing LEE... she had an off night vocally, I remember thinking she was gonna ruin herself with the Asia tour but she got better and better as it went on, the Tokyo show was iffy and off, but the Macau shows were GREAT, yall are acting as if 1 bad performance equally a ruined voice and an inability to sing the song, in the 2016 tour she sang it in the current key for the first few shows and then took it back up when she was better, id assume she'll do that now. I cant wait for her to be back slaying LEE so yall can stop with the whole "this is sad" mess

 

It's not because of this just one show, but I am worried about the amount of shows she has to face only in this North American leg. I think it's too much. She didn't have a good rest from Vegas and she's doing a world tour now with lots of dates to come.

 

Yes she probably was nervous, but we know she's not training her voice as much as she used to not so long ago, and this also shows.

 

We'll see. If she struggles with some songs and belting the most demanding ones, there will be a problem, but it's soon to say this

[Ajax]

Let s hope so. It is true it happened quite some times in Celine s stage career that the first shows were not the best ones and she was getting better.

 

Still it s legitimate to be a bit worried. Overall some problems are getting a bit more recurrent, it s not like she didn’t get a surgery and real hear problem while it should be her most ambitious tour. Personally I really think that her hear deteriorated. While She still has a more than good control on her vocal chords the lil hear problem has never really disappeared.

[Javito]

I personally think she sounded fine; she’s 51, was nervous at premiere night... that’s not my worry.. she doesn’t sound like 1997 or 2002 Celine but that’s normal she’s human; even at 51 she’s better than any 20 year old.

 

Now that setlist and lack of any damn creativity is what makes me over it. On top of all that, this whole entire “Courage” World Tour seems like it was falsely advertised. They said a “Courageous” Tour it was not... only 2.5 songs from the album.

They said they would dig deep into the back catalogue to find some gems; they didn’t. If someone has watched any YouTube tour videos or has seen Celine on tour in the last 20 plus years; they can’t be happy with this “show”.

 

If they named the show “Celine live 2019” instead of “Courage” I’d almost get it; but nothing about this tour is Courageous; they should’ve have called the tour “The Courage To Live In The Past”.

 

Hey, you're repeating yourself now. Too much. Even if you add more points and rephrase and ellaborate your points. You're repeating yourself. Please stop it. It hurts. And God forbid you speaking in the name of "everyone" else or other fans. Don't even dare to put in words what other fans would probably think when seeing this setlist. That's a blasphemy. This is unbearable to read

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Just kidding man )

[Javito]

I don't think the problem is in her hearing, or the ear surgery she had, not at all. The problem is in her motivation. The problem is in thinking she has to sing the same 10/15 songs show after show because someone has made her believe "it is what the public wants to hear" All the time. The problem is in what force she has to find in herself to face each night the umpteenth time she sings Dans un autre monde and The Power Of Love, and make an effort not to roll her eyes (like she admits she does).

 

The problem is that nobody in her team has presented a fan of us in front of her and asks her "Celine, please sing the Plamondon album in your next show". Or the Sans attendre album. Or get back the Eddy Marnay songs from your youth, there's people who would like to hear you sing them in your mature voice". Had this happened once, and I'm sure her eyes would wide open and light up in surprise. And pleasure.

 

The problem is not in her hearing. The problem is that she and her team are totally disconnected from her public, from the REAL fans who follow her 24/7, and never care to ask what these fans want.

 

The problem is that she and her team think (have always thought) that all fans are the same, and they don't acknowledge there are different types of fans, with different tastes and preferences.

 

The problem is that most of times the hardcore fans meet her, the moment is so brief and goes so fast that obviusly they're not going to waste that time with their wish-list of petitions, or complaining about the setlist of her shows (and also, it's not the moment to do so).

 

That's the problem. That she thinks she has to forcedly sing those songs all.the.time. And not until someone in her teams says the opposite and proposes to do a different show, she will not find the motivation to sing again. And we will keep seeing her tired. Bored. Struggling. Not because she can't sing. But because she's absolutely bored as hell to sing the same damn program, concert after concert.

 

This is it, nothing more, but nothing less.

Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:40 PM by Javito

[Céline RO]

I actually quite like the design of the show. It seems like a combination of the LTAL World Tour and the TC World Tour with a few new and modern elements added in.

 

1. The stage looks stunning. It’s so big and complex. Probably as good as the Taking Chances stage (the central one, of course) was. Why were some people saying it was small when we first got pics?

 

2. Céline’s outfits. They look more like something Annie would do and I love that. This is the first time since the 2013 tour that I actually agreed to and even liked all of her outfits. The more neutral colors fit her better than the vibrant colors used for Hyde Park (which actually had great outfits too!).

 

3. Surprisingly, I actually love the medley and Scott didn’t lie when he said “a medley of hits” (if he even did), he never said “Céline’s hits” ��

 

And why do people act as if she did a ridiculously large amount of covers?

 

In LTAL World Tour she did the “The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face” /“ Because” / “Tears in Heaven” / “All the Way” medley and the “Stayin’ Alive” / “You Should be Dancing” medley.

 

Then, in the TCWT she did the “We Will Rock You” / “The Show Must Go On” medley and the “I Got the Feelin” / “I Got You (I Feel Good)” medley. And let’s not forget about “It’s a Man’s Man’s Man’s World”.

Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:36 PM by Céline RO

[smw]

As hardcore fans, it’s understandable that WE want more rare, less frequently performed songs from her past albums. It makes sense for us, who’ve watched every step she makes, to feel a little unseen / unheard right now. But remember: this show isn’t just for us. It’s moreso for the masses.

 

The general audiences don’t care about those rare songs. They’re more impressed and surprised by David Bowie covers. Celine hasn’t done a world tour since 2008/2009 — so a lot of what ppl are seeing from her in 2019 is totally new to them whereas it’s not so new to us!

 

I truly feel in my bones that Celine will do some sort of an intimate show full of rare or never-performed songs. Ideally filmed at some smaller, meaningful theatre from her career. She knows that’s what us hardcore fans want — she’s not oblivious — and we’ll get it someday.

 

For the first show, I thought the French / English setlist was pretty darn strong! Most importantly, the crowd was eating it up. That speaks volumes!!! Not to mention how beautiful she looked and how top of the line the visuals were.

 

The full English setlist will have a few more predictables as well as a surprise or two! I think the show will feel more settled once we see this version of the set list. And that will hopefully justify them digging through her back catalogue a little bit more.

 

I have a friend who will be attending one of Celine’s shows soon and she is very much a casual fan. I think this friend represents many other people— she cares mostly about hearing the hits, Celine looking and feeling fabulous, strong visuals, and a few fun surprises! This show already checks all of those boxes. I think a lot of casual fans will be absolutely thrilled!

Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:48 PM by smw

[Céline RO]

delete Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:36 PM by Céline RO

[Nmj]

 

 

Hey, you're repeating yourself now. Too much. Even if you add more points and rephrase and ellaborate your points. You're repeating yourself. Please stop it. It hurts. And God forbid you speaking in the name of "everyone" else or other fans. Don't even dare to put in words what other fans would probably think when seeing this setlist. That's a blasphemy. This is unbearable to read

 

 

 

 

(Just kidding man )

 

 

 

 

 

I’m gonna keep saying it, because maybe someone is reading this forum and decides to be bold for once and bring change...do they really think people are paying between 150-500 plus dollars per ticket to see the same show since decades paired with a tribute show to David Bowie, and Prince?

 

The place to complain would be Celine’s Instagram because I see Pepe liking and commenting on certain people’s comments under Celine’s post; maybe he would say something... who am I fooling, they actually think this show brilliant in ties current form; which is what scares me LOL

Edited September 20, 2019 at 04:37 PM by Nmj

[Javito]

I think Pepe has come to learn Celine's discography and repertoire... only a couple of days ago. Honestly

 

(And yes, Pepe is credited as part of the creative team for this tour).