Céline themed movies: "Aline/The Voice Of Love" and "Celine before Celine"

[jpatdeleon09]

Can't wait!

[couldawouldashoulda]

Yeah, I just have zero interest in this. I think I’m gonna fall in the camp of “the French humor doesn’t translate.” Plus, I hate hearing her voice on the Celine songs. I prefer when they go the What’s Love Got To Do With It route where the actor lips to the original music.

[ryba]

IMO they went that particular route and decided to stay unofficial, because an official biopic would never ever do justice to Celine, her talent or her story. It would be very hard to perfectly capture every moment the way it deserves to be captured, and the budget would be crazy high

[ehild]

IMO they went that particular route and decided to stay unofficial, because an official biopic would never ever do justice to Celine, her talent or her story. It would be very hard to perfectly capture every moment the way it deserves to be captured, and the budget would be crazy high

I agree there. Plus it'd be like 4 hours long lol. If anything, an official Netflix biography/docu-series would be cool. That'd be the only way to truly tell the story accurately and encompass all it would need to. They've done it with a lot of retired celebs, old high profile court cases, etc. So I'm not expecting much soon in that regard because she's still working and not retired yet.

[guigafs15]

IMO they went that particular route and decided to stay unofficial, because an official biopic would never ever do justice to Celine, her talent or her story. It would be very hard to perfectly capture every moment the way it deserves to be captured, and the budget would be crazy high

 

Unpopular opinion here but I don't think we will ever going to have a official biopic just because the relationship between Celine and René is kinda messy, to say at least. We are living in a "Twitter" times, where cancel culture is a big thing, and I can see the whole thing going trending in a really bad way. Celine probably doesn't want people questioning the integrity of her late husband.

When he died there was already a lot of twittes calling him out and complaints about the state funeral he got (and whether he deserve it).

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

Unpopular opinion here but I don't think we will ever going to have a official biopic just because the relationship between Celine and René is kinda messy, to say at least. We are living in a "Twitter" times, where cancel culture is a big thing, and I can see the whole thing going trending in a really bad way. Celine probably doesn't want people questioning the integrity of her late husband.

When he died there was already a lot of twittes calling him out and complaints about the state funeral he got (and whether he deserve it).

 

Even for me, while I understand & respect how much Celine and Rene loved each other, I find it a bit weird to think about. It's a complex and grey situation. People that don't know their history or the depth of their relationship would definitely not be accepting or tolerant.

Celine very well knows this and has talked about understanding her mother's point of view. Even talked about not liking if her son were to be in the same situation. So I think it really might be something she wouldn't want to put herself in.

 

 

Rene already gets accused of grooming. It would have to be handled with a lot of care because seeing a young 18 year old actress or early 20 year old with a 46 year old man that looks like Rene (no offense but his looks are not that of the typical Hollywood romance lead) would not be something that many people would enjoy or want to understand. And for sure the purity culture of social media today would talk very badly of Rene.

 

I think in Aline it'll be a little easier on the viewer because it's the same adult actress playing "Aline" at every age. And who knows, perhaps Valerie was able to portray the development of Celine and Rene's relationship in a way that will make more viewers understand it. But no matter how well done, there will always be people that will see it as completely wrong and Rene as a bad person for being with Celine.

[PuraVida]

IMO they went that particular route and decided to stay unofficial, because an official biopic would never ever do justice to Celine, her talent or her story. It would be very hard to perfectly capture every moment the way it deserves to be captured, and the budget would be crazy high

 

I think people will question their relationship if they choose to regardless of the "officiality" of the film. It's still going to be Celine's story either way, nothing is stopping them from critiquing.

 

In any biopic about Celine's life, Rene is going to be present. But unless I am mistaken, I think traditionally biopics do not spend a tremendous amount of time on child/teen/young adult years. It would be different if they split her life into 2 parts and did 2 movies, but if it's one biopic then I imagine they will fastforward quite quickly to the place where Celine is already an adult....which is when the relationship would seem a lot less controversial to audiences, imo.

[scielle]

Unpopular opinion here but I don't think we will ever going to have a official biopic just because the relationship between Celine and René is kinda messy, to say at least. We are living in a "Twitter" times, where cancel culture is a big thing, and I can see the whole thing going trending in a really bad way. Celine probably doesn't want people questioning the integrity of her late husband.

When he died there was already a lot of twittes calling him out and complaints about the state funeral he got (and whether he deserve it).

 

I don't see how it being and "official biopic" makes a difference in this regard. This one was clearly made without Celine's involvement but presents the "official" story.

 

I'd much rather see an "unofficial" bio, since theoretically it's sufficiently distanced from the subject to be unbiased, and doesn't have the subject meddling with the creative vision (since clearly they'd want to portray themselves in a positive light).

 

In any case, any film about Celine will have to touch on her relationship with Rene. It's inevitable. And it's always going to raise eyebrows and generate discourse - this is, after all, the most colorful part of her life story. There are no scandals, no addictions, no abuse, nothing that's so common in the life stories of others on her level of fame. She's squeaky clean and "vanilla" in pretty much all respects.

 

But the Celine-Rene relationship is something many are clearly curious about and have an opinion on. Sadly, most only know the headlines ("He was 26 years older and she was how old when they met?!") Without much context beyond that, it's easy to jump to conclusions.

 

Is the whole thing highly unusual? Sure. Is it possible for a young woman to be madly in love with a much older man? In my opinion, absolutely. But even if you do know the context, you may or may not chose to believe the official story. And let's be honest, only people who know the truth are those who were there at the time - including Celine's parents and siblings, many of whom have commented on it at some point over the years. And they all have the same story. But there will always be accusations and assumptions that it had to be grooming, and things like what happened with Guy Cloutier don't help (Rene's one-time business partner and friend, who was convicted and served time in jail for sexual assault on minors, one of whom was teen singer Natalie Simard, whom he managed at the time.)

 

Perhaps it's going to force Celine to publicly talk about it, which I'm in two minds about because a) she shouldn't have to, it's nobody's business, but b ) natural human curiosity... I imagine seeing people question him like this must be very hurtful to her.

 

Whoever ends up picking this up for distribution in the US and other anglo markets - I wonder how they're going to handle it and the promotion. Clearly it's already generating buzz, including in major outlets -

 

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- but it's also already leading to articles like this, and I fully expect this to be the main topic of discourse relating to this film or any other Celine biopic or documentary -

 

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It will undeniably generate discussion on the subject and I wonder how it will be received and addressed.

[jpatdeleon09]

Again Can’t Wait!

[scielle]

P.S. to my prior post, I think it's also important to understand the context of Celine's upbringing. By the time Therese was pregnant with her, Celine's siblings were already in their 20s and having their own kids. She was always surrounded by much older family, the youngest by decades, so what seems unusual to most of us probably felt entirely normal to her.

 

Anyway, if this does end up being a major topic of conversation, it's perfect fodder for an Oprah interview! (*say says, selfishly, because I'm sure its very difficult for Celine to deal with accusations thrown at Rene)

 

... because seeing a young 18 year old actress or early 20 year old with a 46 year old man that looks like Rene (no offense but his looks are not that of the typical Hollywood romance lead) would not be something that many people would enjoy or want to understand....

 

Indeed, I've always felt this, too. There are plenty of May-December relationships in Hollywood, but somehow it's perceived differently when the man looks like George Clooney. It's difficult for most people to comprehend what Celine saw in him. And from that perspective, it's just such a shame.

Edited June 5, 2021 at 02:07 PM by scielle

[comingback]

I don't see how it being and "official biopic" makes a difference in this regard. This one was clearly made without Celine's involvement but presents the "official" story.

 

I'd much rather see an "unofficial" bio, since theoretically it's sufficiently distanced from the subject to be unbiased, and doesn't have the subject meddling with the creative vision (since clearly they'd want to portray themselves in a positive light).

 

In any case, any film about Celine will have to touch on her relationship with Rene. It's inevitable. And it's always going to raise eyebrows and generate discourse - this is, after all, the most colorful part of her life story. There are no scandals, no addictions, no abuse, nothing that's so common in the life stories of others on her level of fame. She's squeaky clean and "vanilla" in pretty much all respects.

 

But the Celine-Rene relationship is something many are clearly curious about and have an opinion on. Sadly, most only know the headlines ("He was 26 years older and she was how old when they met?!") Without much context beyond that, it's easy to jump to conclusions.

 

Is the whole thing highly unusual? Sure. Is it possible for a young woman to be madly in love with a much older man? In my opinion, absolutely. But even if you do know the context, you may or may not chose to believe the official story. And let's be honest, only people who know the truth are those who were there at the time - including Celine's parents and siblings, many of whom have commented on it at some point over the years. And they all have the same story. But there will always be accusations and assumptions that it had to be grooming, and things like what happened with Guy Cloutier don't help (Rene's one-time business partner and friend, who was convicted and served time in jail for sexual assault on minors, one of whom was teen singer Natalie Simard, whom he managed at the time.)

 

Perhaps it's going to force Celine to publicly talk about it, which I'm in two minds about because a) she shouldn't have to, it's nobody's business, but b ) natural human curiosity... I imagine seeing people question him like this must be very hurtful to her.

 

Whoever ends up picking this up for distribution in the US and other anglo markets - I wonder how they're going to handle it and the promotion. Clearly it's already generating buzz, including in major outlets -

 

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It will undeniably generate discussion on the subject and I wonder how it will be received and addressed.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpYOspjhpo

 

She talked about their relationship in this interview from 1997 (go to 4:25)

 

Don't start that story....

Edited June 5, 2021 at 02:32 PM by comingback

[scielle]

I mean really talk about it though, in particular the assumption many now make that he must have groomed her. 2021 is a very different time than 1997.

 

I can’t imagine it’s something she wants to address, nor should she have to. But public sentiment is a fickle thing.

[Xpresso]

I think the best she can do at this point is to avoid talking about those grooming innuendos. René is gone and most people just don't want to understand as they have judged him a long time ago... Better to move on in my opinion.

[AdrienneM]

After just watching the Aline trailer for the first time I’ve already noticed multiple glaring inaccuracies. Like they’ve included what looks to be a performance of River Deep, where they’ve tried to emulate the outfit and appearance of Celine in the A New Day version... but the staging is an exact copy of the Celine orchestral layout...

[scielle]

After just watching the Aline trailer for the first time I’ve already noticed multiple glaring inaccuracies. Like they’ve included what looks to be a performance of River Deep, where they’ve tried to emulate the outfit and appearance of Celine in the A New Day version... but the staging is an exact copy of the Celine orchestral layout...

 

Why on earth would something so trivial matter? Valerie specifically said she intentionally veered away from reality in a number of ways - the proposal scene, for instance, which is entirely made up by her and her co-writer, as is the scene with Rene/Therese, which we know was a letter - that’s the point of taking artistic license. That’s why she renamed the characters. That’s why she chose not to film in Celine’s old home when she was given the opportunity to do so.

Of course things as minuscule as what you mention above would be changed to serve the dramatic arc of the story. That’s how films are made. This isn’t a documentary.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2021 at 04:31 PM by scielle

[PuraVida]

I think during the whole discussion on social media and elsewhere people should be reminded of the show Friends and how Monica dated a guy who was 21 years older than her and a friend of her parents. It's not uncommon, it has come up in pop culture, and it's been dealth with.

 

I hope this movie picks up a lot more buzz.

[scielle]

I think the best she can do at this point is to avoid talking about those grooming innuendos. René is gone and most people just don't want to understand as they have judged him a long time ago... Better to move on in my opinion.

 

Oh I don’t thing she should open that can of worms. But at some point - now or in some distant future - she may be put in a position where she effectively has to.

[Balao]

She changed the name Céline Dion to Aline Dieu out of respect for Céline. She said there was only one Céline. D'you all agree? Well, I do. How could there be two Céline? When you are aware that the name Aline Dieu was actually given out of respect (not in order to mock Céline), you get the concept and possibly will love the movie.

[jpatdeleon09]

Dieu means God, right?

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Why on earth would something so trivial matter? Valerie specifically said she intentionally veered away from reality in a number of ways - the proposal scene, for instance, which is entirely made up by her and her co-writer, as is the scene with Rene/Therese, which we know was a letter - that’s the point of taking artistic license. That’s why she renamed the characters. That’s why she chose not to film in Celine’s old home when she was given the opportunity to do so.

Of course things as minuscule as what you mention above would be changed to serve the dramatic arc of the story. That’s how films are made. This isn’t a documentary.

 

Jesus Christ calm down.

 

It’s hardly trivial. If you’re going to (as many viral tweets have recently pointed out) literally just take her life story and her songs, but change her name to a weird pseudonym, you could at least understand why it’s confusing when aspects of it aren’t at all accurate.

 

Furthermore, the idea of a biopic is literally in the name; a biographical depiction through film. Changing integral parts of the well known story of someone’s life just so you could avoid having to pay for the rights to their name (sorry, I think the whole “I’m drifting from it artistically that’s why her name is Aline” is bull, she just couldn’t secure the rights to it, hence why it’s went from her describing it as a biopic, to now some weird alternate reality depiction of Celine, just with a seperate name)

 

I also don’t believe that mixing two elements of an artists career from like 5 years apart is minuscule? I’m pretty sure anyone with two brain cells to rub together would understand that that wasn’t artistic license, it was simply further muddying the waters in what’s already proving to many to be a confusing and poorly-executed attempt at a alt-biopic.

 

As it goes this looks like it will probably go down in flames just like that old shoddy “biopic” from the 2000s. And to be honest, that’s what it deserves :/

Edited June 5, 2021 at 07:07 PM by AdrienneM

[Balao]

Dieu means God, right?

 

Yes.

Céline's first album is called "La voix du bon Dieu" which literally means "The voice of the Good God".

Amusingly, Aline's first album is called "La voix du bon Dion" but Dion doesn't mean anything in French.

[Balao]

Did they mentioned anything about Céline Dion singing to this movie? Maybe in.. end-credits? or For those who have seen this movie last year. Is there a new Céline Dion song? What song did they used in end credits? Is it Ordinaire? I think I remember someone posted that I'm not just 100 percent sure.

 

Yes, it is Ordinaire.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Jesus Christ calm down.

 

It’s hardly trivial. If you’re going to (as many viral tweets have recently pointed out) literally just take her life story and her songs, but change her name to a weird pseudonym, you could at least understand why it’s confusing when aspects of it aren’t at all accurate.

 

Furthermore, the idea of a biopic is literally in the name; a biographical depiction through film. Changing integral parts of the well known story of someone’s life just so you could avoid having to pay for the rights to their name (sorry, I think the whole “I’m drifting from it artistically that’s why her name is Aline” is bull, she just couldn’t secure the rights to it, hence why it’s went from her describing it as a biopic, to now some weird alternate reality depiction of Celine, just with a seperate name)

 

I also don’t believe that mixing two elements of an artists career from like 5 years apart is minuscule? I’m pretty sure anyone with two brain cells to rub together would understand that that wasn’t artistic license, it was simply further muddying the waters in what’s already proving to many to be a confusing and poorly-executed attempt at a alt-biopic.

 

As it goes this looks like it will probably go down in flames just like that old shoddy “biopic” from the 2000s. And to be honest, that’s what it deserves :/

 

 

Oh Adrienne... If you knew the first thing about moviemaking, theater, or just storytelling in general, you’d know that there are many reasons to consolidate multiple characters or events into one. Even biopics make changes to accommodate the flow of the script and pacing of the comedic/dramatic scenes to hold the audience’s attention. But let’s talk about budget. That’s clearly the reason the “Aline” production team didn’t waste precious resources creating two entirely different stages when most people wouldn’t have a clue that there were even two different eras in Céline’s stint at Caesar’s. With all the detail they put into costuming, almost nobody will notice or care about this minuscule detail. It’s not like the stage design was revolutionary and made headline news or anything.

 

If anyone needs to calm down and get a grip on reality, it would be you, dear.

Edited June 5, 2021 at 07:33 PM by Chantemoi

[scielle]

 

Jesus Christ calm down.

 

???

Not sure what gives you the impression I’m not.

 

And yes, whether she wore dress x to performance y on z stage is absolutely trivial and irrelevant to the story. Your average authorized biopic takes far more liberties with reality than something as minor as this.

[guigafs15]

 

 

I don't see how it being and "official biopic" makes a difference in this regard. This one was clearly made without Celine's involvement but presents the "official" story.

 

I'd much rather see an "unofficial" bio, since theoretically it's sufficiently distanced from the subject to be unbiased, and doesn't have the subject meddling with the creative vision (since clearly they'd want to portray themselves in a positive light).

 

In any case, any film about Celine will have to touch on her relationship with Rene. It's inevitable. And it's always going to raise eyebrows and generate discourse - this is, after all, the most colorful part of her life story. There are no scandals, no addictions, no abuse, nothing that's so common in the life stories of others on her level of fame. She's squeaky clean and "vanilla" in pretty much all respects.

 

But the Celine-Rene relationship is something many are clearly curious about and have an opinion on. Sadly, most only know the headlines ("He was 26 years older and she was how old when they met?!") Without much context beyond that, it's easy to jump to conclusions.

 

Is the whole thing highly unusual? Sure. Is it possible for a young woman to be madly in love with a much older man? In my opinion, absolutely. But even if you do know the context, you may or may not chose to believe the official story. And let's be honest, only people who know the truth are those who were there at the time - including Celine's parents and siblings, many of whom have commented on it at some point over the years. And they all have the same story. But there will always be accusations and assumptions that it had to be grooming, and things like what happened with Guy Cloutier don't help (Rene's one-time business partner and friend, who was convicted and served time in jail for sexual assault on minors, one of whom was teen singer Natalie Simard, whom he managed at the time.)

 

Perhaps it's going to force Celine to publicly talk about it, which I'm in two minds about because a) she shouldn't have to, it's nobody's business, but b ) natural human curiosity... I imagine seeing people question him like this must be very hurtful to her.

 

Whoever ends up picking this up for distribution in the US and other anglo markets - I wonder how they're going to handle it and the promotion. Clearly it's already generating buzz, including in major outlets -

 

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- but it's also already leading to articles like this, and I fully expect this to be the main topic of discourse relating to this film or any other Celine biopic or documentary -

 

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It will undeniably generate discussion on the subject and I wonder how it will be received and addressed.

 

I get your point! The difference that I see is that an unofficial biopic protects Celine in some way. They can focus in other periods of her life without deep much into the relationship, while if they do that in a official movie it would look like she's trying to hide something. In a unofficial movie Celine also have the excuse to say: "That's not what happened". And the whole thing with the name makes easy to sell as a fiction. But, as I said, I get your point of view, it does make sense.

 

As for the relationship between them, I will abstain myself to discuss it cause it's a sensitive matter that requires a little more knowledge than headlines. Just going to say that from a psychological point of view the beginning of this relationship has abuse written all over it.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

 

Oh Adrienne... If you knew the first thing about moviemaking, theater, or just storytelling in general, you’d know that there are many reasons to consolidate multiple characters or events into one. Even biopics make changes to accommodate the flow of the script and pacing of the comedic/dramatic scenes to hold the audience’s attention. But let’s talk about budget. That’s clearly the reason the “Aline” production team didn’t waste precious resources creating two entirely different stages when most people wouldn’t have a clue that there were even two different eras in Céline’s stint at Caesar’s. With all the detail they put into costuming, almost nobody will notice or care about this minuscule detail. It’s not like the stage design was revolutionary and made headline news or anything.

 

If anyone needs to calm down and get a grip on reality, it would be you, dear.

 

I think you’d do well to relax with the condescending misogyny, “dear” 🙃

 

Every point you made is one I pointed out as an issue in my original post, so there’s no point to reiterate. It’s very clear in the beginning that it was being labelled as a biopic and it’s descended into some weird alt-biopic attempt. It’s already been mocked, as has Valerie, on social media for its nonsensical idea and production. With issues such as a 57 year old woman playing Celine when she was a teenager? Or just the fact that within the last decade Valerie herself did a movie in which she did total blackface and a racist caricature, hence a lot of the issue people are taking with her even being involved, let alone involved in the films entire creation as well as starring as the lead role. But oh well . As long as it has some artistic flow to it (which from the trailer... it looks like it really doesn’t)

 

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I think you’d do well to relax with the condescending misogyny, “dear” 🙃

 

Every point you made is one I pointed out as an issue in my original post, so there’s no point to reiterate. It’s very clear in the beginning that it was being labelled as a biopic and it’s descended into some weird alt-biopic attempt. It’s already been mocked, as has Valerie, on social media for its nonsensical idea and production. With issues such as a 57 year old woman playing Celine when she was a teenager? Or just the fact that within the last decade Valerie herself did a movie in which she did total blackface and a racist caricature, hence a lot of the issue people are taking with her even being involved, let alone involved in the films entire creation as well as starring as the lead role. But oh well . As long as it has some artistic flow to it (which from the trailer... it looks like it really doesn’t)

 

Yes. I’m totally a misogynist. And I’m a racist like Valerie. Thank you for opening the closet door. Now I can be free!!! THANK YOU.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Yes. I’m totally a misogynist. And I’m a racist like Valerie. Thank you for opening the closet door. Now I can be free!!! THANK YOU.

 

At no point did I call you a racist, but if that’s what you want to claim even in very poorly executed sarcasm, be my guest!

[PuraVida]

Inaccuracies are very common even in official, authorized biopics. Tina Turner authorized "What's Love Got To Do With It", the 1993 biopic with Angela Bassett playing her. Ike Turner also authorized his likeness to be used. The biopic was based on her autobiography that she released in 1986.

 

Even with all of that, there were still inaccuracies. Name of the game. Even still, critics and fans rated it very highly. The Wikipedia lists all of the inaccuracies.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Love_Got_to_Do_with_It_(film)

Edited June 5, 2021 at 08:51 PM by PuraVida

[Balao]

Valerie has played the role of a woman who suffers from a disease called Addison's disease. It is ok for films to deal with certain diseases (like AIDS with Tom Hanks) but totally ignore other diseases like Addison's disease?

In this film (which she didn't write nor direct), she is a racist character. Is it ok to poke fun at racist people? Or should we just ignore them?

 

Should we not import American issues on French culture please !

 

Also, let me remind you that Aline was shot 2 years ago when she was 55 years old. That's the age Céline will be in just 2 years.