"Encore Un Soir" album - Official Topic

[LukeD]

Did LYAC even break the Top 40 of French i-tunes after being performed there TWICE? I think it did not. Correct if I'm wrong.

 

I remember checking the i-tunes in Quebec and the songs that charted higher were THV, ALPHB, JNV and TCC (I think). All slow ballads... Same with LPPDL back in 2012.

 

The certainty of all of you thinking the modern songs would work better has no base. I think you just speak your hearts out because you want Celine to be all modern and cool.

Edited October 14, 2016 at 08:26 AM by LukeD

[LukeD]

SCAR belongs in a category of songs which I consider to be personal. And I use this term loosely to refer to songs which give us something of what Celine is feeling/going through. It is not by chance that it was put in between songs with a similar theme. Take a look:

 

Encore Un Soir ---> Je Nous Veux ---> Les Yeux Au Ciel ---> Si C'etait A Refaire ---> Ordinaire are the so-called personal songs of this album. There is the anxiety of losing your loved one (EUS), the anxiety to keep the family close and together (JNV), the anxiety not to lose contact with a growing son (LYAC), and then songs which reflect on her personal life (SCAR) and career (Ordinaire) come next to complete the circle and give a touch of realness to this record.

 

Same goes for the openning tracks which give the promise of eternal love (PQA), to live life in its fullest (LE) and to stand by your loved one through difficulties (MF).

Same goes for the final tracks (TS, TTC, LBEF) all being about appreciation of life and its possibilities.

ALPHB stands alone reminding us that much of the inspiration of the record comes from loss.

 

All this comes in defense to people calling SCAR a filler song. But it was also a generic comment about the album I wanted to make in a while! EUS is way well-constructed to be featuring any song that serves no purpose.

Edited October 14, 2016 at 08:51 AM by LukeD

[mirage]

Yeah I want her to be cool!

 

But I also want that she/her team would show a different side of her.

And the only way possible is to release some uptempo songs.

I think Tu Sauras and L'Etoile are more radio friendly than SCAR.

 

She LOVES her uptempo songs, she even said she don't receive many uptempos.

So when you have them, use them! Play them, release them!

 

And yeah it would get her noticed again by the ones who ignore her after MHWGO, and will gain maybe some new fans.

 

I really think it would work.

 

BUT whether it's an uptempo or a ballad, Sony kills the album with second single. They just sent it to radio, nothing more.

 

That's one thing we can be sure about, and we have plenty of "proof" since it happend in the past.

No effort whatsoever when it comes to 2nd singles.

 

Interviews, prerecorded live performances, videoclips, remix, etc etc etc

 

 

Did LYAC even break the Top 40 of French i-tunes after being performed there TWICE? I think it did not. Correct if I'm wrong.

 

I remember checking the i-tunes in Quebec and the songs that charted higher were THV, ALPHB, JNV and TCC (I think). All slow ballads... Same with LPPDL back in 2012.

 

The certainty of all of you thinking the modern songs would work better has no base. I think you just speak your hearts out because you want Celine to be all modern and cool.

[nuts2you]

I cant stop listening to this album

[LukeD]

Yeah I want her to be cool!

 

But I also want that she/her team would show a different side of her.

And the only way possible is to release some uptempo songs.

I think Tu Sauras and L'Etoile are more radio friendly than SCAR.

 

She LOVES her uptempo songs, she even said she don't receive many uptempos.

So when you have them, use them! Play them, release them!

 

And yeah it would get her noticed again by the ones who ignore her after MHWGO, and will gain maybe some new fans.

 

I really think it would work.

 

BUT whether it's an uptempo or a ballad, Sony kills the album with second single. They just sent it to radio, nothing more.

 

That's one thing we can be sure about, and we have plenty of "proof" since it happend in the past.

No effort whatsoever when it comes to 2nd singles.

 

Interviews, prerecorded live performances, videoclips, remix, etc etc etc

I am not as disappointed as you seem to be mostly because I ignore how things work. You, and others, seem to be more certain about how the industry works. So here are my doubts:

 

1.I doubt SCAR is not as radio friendly as you think you are. Hello by Adele is the biggest song of 2016 and it is not modern, nor contemporary.

2.I doubt people would buy the sound of Celine in Tu Sauras. Much like it happened back in 2013 with LMBTL.

3.I doubt it is all the fault of her team that 2nd singles do not work. Reason is that when the album is out, people will buy the album. Because Celine is an albums artist.

As far I remember Je T'aime Encore, Immensite, Le Miracle were all performed on TV and were accompanied by music videos. Same treatement as the lead singles. But performed worse. Which probably explains what I said about people not going for the single when the album is out.

 

I remind you that I am not sure about all I said. These are just stated as possibilities! Personally I will not be surprised it SCAR becomes a hit or flops.

[mirage]

1. Everything Adele does is so hyped up and everybody loves her, just because everybody loves her and people are just following.

So whatever her first single was it doesn't matter it's Adele.

2. The 3 songs you name are the most horrible choices as a single, that's why it didn't work. Celine has a older fanbase, and to gain a new younger fanbase who streams and download songs they should come up with more interesting singles.

 

It's about single choices, and promotion.

And they are doing a bad job at both.

[LukeD]

1. Everything Adele does is so hyped up and everybody loves her, just because everybody loves her and people are just following.

So whatever her first single was it doesn't matter it's Adele.

2. The 3 songs you name are the most horrible choices as a single, that's why it didn't work. Celine has a older fanbase, and to gain a new younger fanbase who streams and download songs they should come up with more interesting singles.

 

It's about single choices, and promotion.

And they are doing a bad job at both.

I only agree about Le Miracle being bad. Je T'aime Encore is a masterpiece and possibly the best song in 1F&4T. Same goes for Immensite, among the most loved songs of D'elles.

 

Lead singles of Celine always chart higher than the second ones despite both songs receiving same promotion. It is about the French market which turns into albums!

 

When Celine was in her 20s she did not appeal to young audiences. Her entire career is shaped on that. Even prime. Nothing can change that now that she is past her prime.

Edited October 15, 2016 at 09:29 AM by LukeD

[Javito]

Just because Céline has never appealed to young audiences and she's past her prime, doesn't mean they have to send a song like SCEAR to radios and systematically ignore all the single material in her albums

 

Do you mean adult/mature audiences can't enjoy a song like Tu sauras? Or Ma Faille, L'étoile in France?

 

And above all, why does Céline record these uptempo songs if they're going to ignore them all the time ultimately? It's so contradictory.

 

So if she looks for these songs and she records them, it's for something. But then they ignore them. SCEAR as a second single in France? No sense at all.

[Celine Fan 77]

1. Everything Adele does is so hyped up and everybody loves her, just because everybody loves her and people are just following.

So whatever her first single was it doesn't matter it's Adele.

2. The 3 songs you name are the most horrible choices as a single, that's why it didn't work. Celine has a older fanbase, and to gain a new younger fanbase who streams and download songs they should come up with more interesting singles.

 

It's about single choices, and promotion.

And they are doing a bad job at both.

 

I strongly disagree on what you say about Adele.

 

Her latest album '25' was a huge success, mainly thanks to the fact that a power ballad (Hello) was released as the lead singe. Why did her record company pick that song to be the first single? Quite simply because that's what the general public loves from Adele and what sells the most.

 

I believe the success of '25' wouldn't have been even half as huge if they had chosen a more upbeat track like Send My Love (To Your New Lover).

[LukeD]

Just because Céline has never appealed to young audiences and she's past her prime, doesn't mean they have to send a song like SCEAR to radios and systematically ignore all the single material in her albums

 

Do you mean adult/mature audiences can't enjoy a song like Tu sauras? Or Ma Faille, L'étoile in France?

 

And above all, why does Céline record these uptempo songs if they're going to ignore them all the time ultimately? It's so contradictory.

 

So if she looks for these songs and she records them, it's for something. But then they ignore them. SCEAR as a second single in France? No sense at all.

Do you understand you are literally talking with YOURSELF? All these rhetorical questions of yours, attempts to put words in my mouth...

 

I do think people would enjoy Ma Faille and L'etoile. I doubt Tu Sauras. I am not saying SCAR was the best choice, but I simply do not consider it bad either. And I do think that Celine is way past her prime to be experimenting with songs, videos, attitudes. EUS is a smash hit in France, a Top 10 hit in singles charts for almost 5 months now and it has barely broken the Top 20 in airplay as of last week.

 

The uptempo songs are not even many. Sans Attendre had 0. This one has 2 (counting the Deluxe Edition), D'elles had 1, 1F&4T had 1! As long as her albums are ballad heavy it only makes sense to release ballads, since they represent the album better.

 

And my argument about people turning into her album and ignoring the single still stands. Look at LYAC, fans LOVE it, suggested it as single, performed twice, 0 impact on i-tunes.

Edited October 15, 2016 at 10:47 AM by LukeD

[Xpresso]

After all, I think it doesn't really matter. The album sold record numbers in the first few weeks so everyone who really wanted the new Céline album got it already. And they won't buy the second or third single obviously. But that's why Sony should pick a single that would surprise everyone (us included)!

[LukeD]

After all, I think it doesn't really matter. The album sold record numbers in the first few weeks so everyone who really wanted the new Céline album got it already. And they won't buy the second or third single obviously. But that's why Sony should pick a single that would surprise everyone (us included)!

For many reasons it really doesn't matter! I am wondering why people make such a big deal over it as if it affects them personally.

 

Chances are there is going to be a 3rd single in France and Canada too. Hopefully Ma Faille and Tu Sauras get their chance to shine and everyone will be happy!

Edited October 15, 2016 at 02:53 PM by LukeD

[MrTim212]

Has the re-release been confirmed? Any date?

[Alex_Incognito]

Has the re-release been confirmed? Any date?

I think it was only made up by attention seeking fans who want to pretend they have contacts with Team Celine.

[Ronny83]

 

I think it was only made up by attention seeking fans who want to pretend they have contacts with Team Celine.

 

It was announced by TF1 and a tv guide magazine in France, actually.

[Alex_Incognito]

:sofunny:Where!?

[Celine Fan 77]

:sofunny:Where!?

 

[MrTim212]

 

 

Thanks!

[Peppercorn1991]

Why are there no remixes for this album? So many uptempo songs I thought there would be some fan made remixes!!

 

Kev x

[Javito]

Why are there no remixes for this album? So many uptempo songs I thought there would be some fan made remixes!!

 

Kev x

 

I don't know about fan made remixes but official remixes cost money to hire someone to remix them, of course. Do you think Sony is interested in remixing anything when they're sending a song like Si c'était a refaire to radios?

 

And I suppose the songs would have the attention of some amateur mixers if only the catchy songs were sent to radios... but they're sending the saddest song in the album to French radios. That puts off any DJ to remix this

Edited October 16, 2016 at 07:05 PM by Javito

[LukeD]

Why are there no remixes for this album? So many uptempo songs I thought there would be some fan made remixes!!

 

Kev x

I have never been a fan of remixes. Only exception being the IDAN ballad version. That said, I think it would be interesting to get remixes of L'etoile, LYAC, Tu Sauras and LBEF. I think all these songs are GREAT studio recordings because, apart from the catchy melodies and lyrics, they are very short in length. I think this trait adds to our addiction, in a way you have to listen again! So I would be all up for some extended remixes of these songs, just to see another side of them! Edited October 16, 2016 at 07:27 PM by LukeD

[celinefanonline]

got an email from HMV japan today and ... the repackage version will release on 25th Nov!!

with something i'm not that excited about ............... have a look.....

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Celine-Dion_000000000003079/item_Encore-Un-Soir-Calender-Version-Ltd_7388373?site=mailmagart&utm_source=moa161017sa&utm_medium=other

[Lotty]

got an email from HMV japan today and ... the repackage version will release on 25th Nov!!

with something i'm not that excited about ............... have a look.....

http://www.hmv.co.jp...tm_medium=other

 

noooooooo I really hope it won't be just that.....

[mirage]

This is a joke right?

 

[giannislyber]

[mirage]

It has to be a joke right?

 

Unless this calendar is so freaking huge, and contains pictures from the tour.

 

Otherwise it is a joke, a good amazing horrible stupid joke!

 

I rather saw that re release cancelled.

 

"And now just in time for the holidays, after her best french tour ever! Her new AMAZING album, with a calendar! Hooray hooray!!"

[Alex_Incognito]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahah. They must have read the forums and saw how much we mourned not having a calendar with this version to put next to our 2012 Sans Attendre calendar. Who wants a DVD when you can have a calendar?

[Caledor]

Of course id like a dvd with making of and bonuses and so on.

 

 

 

But i won''t complain if they re release the album with a calendar. I liked the one for SA or LMBTL

[Del]

got an email from HMV japan today and ... the repackage version will release on 25th Nov!!

with something i'm not that excited about ............... have a look.....

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Celine-Dion_000000000003079/item_Encore-Un-Soir-Calender-Version-Ltd_7388373?site=mailmagart&utm_source=moa161017sa&utm_medium=other

An early April's fool? Haha. Seeing this gave me a good laugh this morning and then I thought WOW, they don't seem to get it.

[browseceline]

I think it is no joke at all and the pics will be from the same photoshoot again of course

 

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