"Encore Un Soir" album - Official Topic

[Peppercorn1991]

There are numerous examples of Sony messing up. Especially since the Taking Chances era! The singles of TC and SA were a disaster. And since the LMBTL era they gave up on creating music videos too. IMO it only gets worse from this point. Goes without saying I am not expecting music videos for SCAR and L'etoile.

 

Why do I get the feeling this is how isn't going to be now?

 

Kev x

[Javito]

Then her career is doomed to die, at least visually.

 

For some songs, videoclips were the only performances we had to show a video of Celine performing the song, like One Heart, If Walls Could Talk or Then You Look At Me. Some great songs that have only ONE video performance to show people how it looks.

 

Thanks Sony and Celine. You're closing the door to the biggest promotional tool you have to show your work in the era of social networks and visual contents everywhere

 

No DVD concerts, no videoclips... grrreat. Bring it on the next 2,000 show with the 2,527 performance of MHWGO in Vegas!!!

Edited October 26, 2016 at 07:32 AM by Javito

[emiliejolie]

No tv channels play the Encore un Soir videoclip that was shoot in Paris. They are stuck with the very first video which is ver sad for promotion and work done

[BartFCS]

There must be some internal conflict in Sony. Sometimes it really looks like they want to kill the album with poor single choices . Are they afraid of huge success? Maybe it's Celine who took some part in it. Maybe she simply doesn't want to promote live any of those uptempo songs. If that's the case I respect it.

I think this is how it's gonna be from now on. I'm ok with it as long as the music is amazing. Let's wait and see.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 09:14 AM by BartFCS

[Javito]

We'll never know what's going on as long as no one asks her the damn questions in the dozens of interviews she gives. Where they always ask her the same bubble-gum questions about family and her past glorious days.

 

If she was doing the promo now and the TV shows she did back in August, probably the journalists would be asking her what's going on with the album, what's with the next single and where is it playing. For such a "successful" album, it's making such a poor noise once the tour finished. That's a shame. It's like they let them die without any mercy. At least they should show some respect to the songwriters and producers that trusted Céline sending her their songs, with sending some good singles to the radios, supporting them with nice videos, etc. But all they got to do is film a lyric video for a song that wasn't even recorded for this album and it's 32 years old.

 

So yes, the feeling is that it's as if someone with power inside Sony really hates her, since 2003. They didn't even care to pay her some kind of tribute for her 25th anniversary career back in 2006, or 30 years in 2011. Only a French magazine recognised her with the release of a special issue ("25 ans d'amour" from Gala).

Edited October 26, 2016 at 10:02 AM by Javito

[manu23]

This continuous discussion about promo is just absurd, one just needs to know a bit how it works in music industry nowadays, established artists don't promote more than one or two weeks when the album is launched, maybe if the album is launched in Q4 they do something more around Christmas but that's it. Celine actually promotes a lot more than any other artists from the 90s, Barbra Streisand and Britney Spears both had albums coming out the same day, do you see them promoting? Did Madonna or Mariah Carey promote more than Celine with the latest albums? Did they have more than one or two singles and videos? Celine has been literally everywhere last spring and summer, EVERYWHERE, that's also money that Sony invest or do you think receiving the Icon/Legend award is for free? Or being in the Today's Summer Concert and Jimmy Fallon? That's money invested in the brand, and honestly I think that's a best investment than a video that probably only fans would watch on Youtube (because if you think any Music TV channel is gonna play then you live a parallel universe), that TSMGO performance did more for her name and brand than any video for the next English single. Sony's budget to promote Celine is not infinite, they need to chose where to allocate but honestly I think they do pretty well. Could there be improvements? Yes, always, nobody is perfect, but Celine's career is pretty well handle and hence the results, with a French album she has already outsold her English peers. Edited October 26, 2016 at 11:21 AM by manu23

[Javito]

This comes from long ago, not yesterday and has nothing to do with what "the others" do today. Who cares what the others do? We are talking about Céline Dion here, and we know how her career was handled a few years ago, when Sony Music treated each and every release 15 years ago with the utmost attention and care. And we see how they are treated today, when all of a sudden there seems to be no interest at all to support her. Why? What are the reasons?

 

Other record labels could do more and better for a name like Céline Dion. That's what we're talking about

 

And there's absolutely no excuse for not having videoclips done with her today, other than laziness and a complete lack of interest and support from her record company. It started with LMBTL three years ago, and now again with the new French album. So what excuse can you find for that? Do the others, Madonna, Britney lack a video for their first single?

 

Also, you're so wrong if you think that videoclips are done today to be shown mainly in music TV channels. That's something from the past, from the MTV days (though videos are greatly used to be shown in TV's in clubs worldwide while you're having a drink or dancing). Music videos are used today in many ways, including their incredible potential of viral spread in social networks, where one person posts one video and it's shared by another person, and then another and another, and the song gets to the knowledge of thousands of people within hours. And then there's YouTube, of course. Welcome to 2016. If Céline has no videos, then the single it's almost as if it didn't exist for the people that doesn't listen to radio. And most of people today is not paying attention to what radios play or don't even listen to the radios (but stream the music they want), but what people plays in the Internet, in the form of a video.

 

But foremost, do you seriously think that a LMBTL videoclip, a song written by Sia, would have only been watched in YouTube by her fans? Please...

 

All in all, record labels know that most of people today is in social networks, in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and if they listen to some music, they stream what they want, they don't listen to the radio. Radios are still a powerful platform to reach people, yes, but they're no longuer the first and only ones. Not even the main way. So if Céline wants to have a chance of still being popular in 5, 10 years, they'd better open the doors to every current tool possible. Otherwise, she'll be stuck in the past and will be an artist with a very old fanbase, despite she being a young one still. She'll end her career singing live concerts for the elderly in Vegas.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 12:14 PM by Javito

[joaofilho]

I think that Sony reduced its budget for advertising and promo Celine, as well as their video clips, do not know if this has to do with q amount of sales of albums, plus it seems that Celine team does not hit the foot and they say they want a clip, try to do different things to not go up against Sony because they think they are a family.

 

On the last album EUS because they have not released a video official video for the first single, no, his team did better released a lyric video for that ?? lçogo then released another lyric video for 1984 song, I'm not saying that this is bad, the more I prefirop a real video clip with Celine than a lyric video.

 

I think Sony is doing little case of Celine, Celine treating with a low budget, reducing spending and his team did not reinvidica improvements in treatment or speak what they want, all this not to be conflicts with Sony, his family.

[Davey84]

Celine doesn't even have to be part of the video clip! To me the lyrics video for EUS is perfect and very touching. So even just making a good lyrics video (ON TIME!!!) should be enough! Sadly no one from Celine's team understand that visuals on Youtube are very important!! Most recent proof: Parler A Mon Pere music video: 36.553.488 views.

[manu23]

I won't try to explain myself again, everyone is entitle to have an opinion, but Javito your's wrong

 

I just I wish all those willing to go to Youtube and watch a video of a song written by Sia (or Pink) would have called radios asking for that song back in the day.. And yes, Britney and Madonna had their videos, still both their albums and singles flopped big time, a video guarantees nothing. Do I want 5 singles and videos from every Celine album? Of course I do but that promo doesn't work well for Celine, Rene knew it and Aldo knows it, that's why they invest on having her on the biggest tv shows instead.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM by manu23

[Javito]

Agreed, a video doesn't guarantee anything, it may do good or bad or nothing, but what's sure is that without videoclips nothing good will happen, that's 100% guaranteed . And also without a videoclip there are good chances that the song will go completely unnoticed. And that's what happened with LMBTL. It didn't happen with EUS because this album and first single have been very expected long ago, there was a lot of anticipation because it was her first single without René and also because it was promoted heavily because of Jean-Jacques Goldman's signature name on it. And at least it had a lyric video decently promoted on social networks with lots of updates (first they posted pictures, then snippets of the video, etc).

 

But see how the next singles are doing... Nothing to be seen. Let alone when they sent a song like Si c'était à refaire to radios, of course.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 01:15 PM by Javito

[Celine Fan 77]

Then her career is doomed to die, at least visually.

 

For some songs, videoclips were the only performances we had to show a video of Celine performing the song, like One Heart, If Walls Could Talk or Then You Look At Me. Some great songs that have only ONE video performance to show people how it looks.

 

Thanks Sony and Celine. You're closing the door to the biggest promotional tool you have to show your work in the era of social networks and visual contents everywhere

 

No DVD concerts, no videoclips... grrreat. Bring it on the next 2,000 show with the 2,527 performance of MHWGO in Vegas!!!

 

She actually performed One Heart at 'Top Of The Pops' back in 2003 to support sales of the single in the UK.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a21W7gIy48

 

 

But yeah, you're 100% right Javi... and it is still hard for me to believe why they are working this way. Poor single choices, filming a music video and not releasing it... etc. My wish would be that Patrick took more control of this kind of things, I'm sure things would be much different since he was the one who initially came up with the idea of introducing her to Twitter and Vine back in July of 2013.

[isurrender]

No tv channels play the Encore un Soir videoclip that was shoot in Paris. They are stuck with the very first video which is ver sad for promotion and work done

 

Maybe it's because the video shoot in Paris doesn't really ( or at least officially) exist?

 

 

 

Barbra Streisand and Britney Spears both had albums coming out the same day, do you see them promoting? Did Madonna or Mariah Carey promote more than Celine with the latest albums? Sony's budget to promote Celine is not infinite, they need to chose where to allocate but honestly I think they do pretty well. Could there be improvements? Yes, always, nobody is perfect, but Celine's career is pretty well handle and hence the results, with a French album she has already outsold her English peers.

 

What's the point in comparing Céline with Barbra, Madonna, Mariah and Britney? All flops?

 

I'm not here to write about the way these singers are handling their careers (and God knows they have their own mistakes) but yeah, if they moved their #ss more than they did , they could light their downfall.

 

But more importantly..

 

Do we want Céline ending up like Barbra? Don't get me wrong , she is iconic but not an example when it comes to promotion or hype.

 

I don't even get why Britney is mentioned in the same sentence as Céline. She definitely has become the laziest singer artist don't know what in the world.

 

And there is a big difference between handling a budged giving priorities to certain fields and...no budget at all. I could be wrong but we don't pay to appear on shows like Jimmy Fallon or any other TV shows and artists are not paid either to promote their things (beside some kind of Star Academy back then: production had to pay a lot to make established singers to sing with unknown people). I think you can go on those big shows based on your status.

Again, I don't know how it works but if they paid , that's the dumbest idea I've ever seen as she had nothing to promote.

 

Actually, I don't know who does what... but that's the role of her management to find some slots and get her on big TV shows.

Re-editions and all the discography issues are up to Sony. They come up with "let's make a re-edition to make more profits" and then the artist ( and or the management) can get involved into it, choosing what they want to include or not. Some "smaller' artists are against those manners but they are forced by their label to do it, that's why they want to offer the maximum ( new songs, etc...). Céline has always been beyond those marketing tricks... she problably doesn't know a re-edition is on its way. Franckly, Sony is not doing its job properly as they are on duty to take care of it.

 

And I think you're wrong : you're mixing causes and consequences. Céline's career and her good results are not the consequence of a good handling (at least since some years)...but thanks to us! It's because she has a huge fanbase and is very respected as an artist and a woman.

 

What did Sony exactly do for EUS? Litterally, they only paid for some ads on some TV channels. That's it.

 

 

If Céline has no videos, then the single it's almost as if it didn't exist for the people that doesn't listen to radio. And most of people today is not paying attention to what radios play or don't even listen to the radios (but stream the music they want), but what people plays in the Internet, in the form of a video.

 

 

I won't be so categorical about this. EUS was quite an exception ( it performed very well on radios) but mostly, nobody knows Céline has a new single out if there's no video as she isn't played by radios.

 

Radio hits still are a big reason of the success of a song. Especially in the States. Audiences can go as high as 120 million listeners... that's really huge.

LMBTL had no video (that could have gone viral at least ), no radio support and was sung in TV shows that have what? 5 millions viewers in good days...

They absolutely did nothing to reach the maximum of people.

 

They should do now more than before (in the 90s , only TV and radio had an impact and she was played by both...) as means to reach people are way more diversified.

[LukeD]

Thing is they did invest money in making a music video for EUS. It is just that it was never released. So we are looking at something different here.

 

I can understand the concept of not investing in her music videos since radios will ignore the single, but to create something and then withdraw it without clarification? Sloppy IMO.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 02:58 PM by LukeD

[LukeD]

Céline has always been beyond those marketing tricks... she problably doesn't know a re-edition is on its way. Franckly, Sony is not doing its job properly as they are on duty to take care of it.

 

And I think you're wrong : you're mixing causes and consequences. Céline's career and her good results are not the consequence of a good handling (at least since some years)...but thanks to us! It's because she has a huge fanbase and is very respected as an artist and a woman.

 

Thanx to us? Barely any of us would pay attention had her career not been properly handled. How do you think FIY and LTAL sold above 30m copies? Celine enjoyed a good 10 years of mind-blowing success (1993-2002). It is all about promotion, good choices and utitlizing her talent in a great way.

 

And trust me, Celine knows very well about marketing tricks! Her almost scripted interviews, her reality shows/documentaries, the use of playback, almost never criticizing...

Edited October 26, 2016 at 03:18 PM by LukeD

[LukeD]

Sorry Javito. The idea of releasing singles in order to show respect to the songwriters makes no sense to me. This is mixing emotions with marketing! Not the way it goes.

 

IMO, every songwriter must be happy enough to have their names on her albums which sell more than current English releases.

Edited October 26, 2016 at 03:17 PM by LukeD

[isurrender]

Thanx to us? Barely any of us would pay attention had her career not been properly handled. How do you think FIY and LTAL sold above 30m copies? Celine enjoyed a good 10 years of mind-blowing success (1993-2002). It is all about promotion, good choices and utitlizing her talent in a great way.

 

And trust me, Celine knows very well about marketing tricks! Her almost scripted interviews, her reality shows/documentaries, the use of playback, almost never criticizing...

 

In my post, I wrote "the last years", it was thanks to us.

 

There's a reason why I used " the last years" ...

 

I don't see any link between a marketing single choice and playback. Sorry.

 

Anyway, if you don't want to be linked with her success, that's you choice. But keep me away from your state of mind... I buy her CDs because of my wallet and me looking for news on the Internet ( how the hell would I have known LMBTL was released then?) ,not because of Sony and its "good promotion".

[LukeD]

Anyway, if you don't want to be linked with her success, that's you choice. But keep me away from your state of mind...

Whatever works for you... I feel no need to be linked to the success of Celine Dion.

[manu23]

 

What's the point in comparing Céline with Barbra, Madonna, Mariah and Britney? All flops?

 

I'm not here to write about the way these singers are handling their careers (and God knows they have their own mistakes) but yeah, if they moved their #ss more than they did , they could light their downfall.

 

But more importantly..

 

Do we want Céline ending up like Barbra? Don't get me wrong , she is iconic but not an example when it comes to promotion or hype.

 

I don't even get why Britney is mentioned in the same sentence as Céline. She definitely has become the laziest singer artist don't know what in the world.

 

And there is a big difference between handling a budged giving priorities to certain fields and...no budget at all. I could be wrong but we don't pay to appear on shows like Jimmy Fallon or any other TV shows and artists are not paid either to promote their things (beside some kind of Star Academy back then: production had to pay a lot to make established singers to sing with unknown people). I think you can go on those big shows based on your status.

Again, I don't know how it works but if they paid , that's the dumbest idea I've ever seen as she had nothing to promote.

 

Actually, I don't know who does what... but that's the role of her management to find some slots and get her on big TV shows.

Re-editions and all the discography issues are up to Sony. They come up with "let's make a re-edition to make more profits" and then the artist ( and or the management) can get involved into it, choosing what they want to include or not. Some "smaller' artists are against those manners but they are forced by their label to do it, that's why they want to offer the maximum ( new songs, etc...). Céline has always been beyond those marketing tricks... she problably doesn't know a re-edition is on its way. Franckly, Sony is not doing its job properly as they are on duty to take care of it.

 

And I think you're wrong : you're mixing causes and consequences. Céline's career and her good results are not the consequence of a good handling (at least since some years)...but thanks to us! It's because she has a huge fanbase and is very respected as an artist and a woman.

 

What did Sony exactly do for EUS? Litterally, they only paid for some ads on some TV channels. That's it.

 

I won't be so categorical about this. EUS was quite an exception ( it performed very well on radios) but mostly, nobody knows Céline has a new single out if there's no video as she isn't played by radios.

 

Radio hits still are a big reason of the success of a song. Especially in the States. Audiences can go as high as 120 million listeners... that's really huge.

LMBTL had no video (that could have gone viral at least ), no radio support and was sung in TV shows that have what? 5 millions viewers in good days...

They absolutely did nothing to reach the maximum of people.

 

They should do now more than before (in the 90s , only TV and radio had an impact and she was played by both...) as means to reach people are way more diversified.

 

These comments just show how people don't have a clue how music industry and records companies work. I'm sorry to be harsh but if you don't understand the life cycle of a product/brand (as Celine is) then we can't discuss about this, but the above statements could make anyone look like an ignorant.

[celinesounds]

No tv channels play the Encore un Soir videoclip that was shoot in Paris. They are stuck with the very first video which is ver sad for promotion and work done

 

M6 plays lyrics video

[celinesounds]

Maybe it's because the video shoot in Paris doesn't really ( or at least officially) exist?

 

 

 

 

 

What's the point in comparing Céline with Barbra, Madonna, Mariah and Britney? All flops?

 

I'm not here to write about the way these singers are handling their careers (and God knows they have their own mistakes) but yeah, if they moved their #ss more than they did , they could light their downfall.

 

But more importantly..

 

Do we want Céline ending up like Barbra? Don't get me wrong , she is iconic but not an example when it comes to promotion or hype.

 

I don't even get why Britney is mentioned in the same sentence as Céline. She definitely has become the laziest singer artist don't know what in the world.

 

And there is a big difference between handling a budged giving priorities to certain fields and...no budget at all. I could be wrong but we don't pay to appear on shows like Jimmy Fallon or any other TV shows and artists are not paid either to promote their things (beside some kind of Star Academy back then: production had to pay a lot to make established singers to sing with unknown people). I think you can go on those big shows based on your status.

Again, I don't know how it works but if they paid , that's the dumbest idea I've ever seen as she had nothing to promote.

 

Actually, I don't know who does what... but that's the role of her management to find some slots and get her on big TV shows.

Re-editions and all the discography issues are up to Sony. They come up with "let's make a re-edition to make more profits" and then the artist ( and or the management) can get involved into it, choosing what they want to include or not. Some "smaller' artists are against those manners but they are forced by their label to do it, that's why they want to offer the maximum ( new songs, etc...). Céline has always been beyond those marketing tricks... she problably doesn't know a re-edition is on its way. Franckly, Sony is not doing its job properly as they are on duty to take care of it.

 

And I think you're wrong : you're mixing causes and consequences. Céline's career and her good results are not the consequence of a good handling (at least since some years)...but thanks to us! It's because she has a huge fanbase and is very respected as an artist and a woman.

 

What did Sony exactly do for EUS? Litterally, they only paid for some ads on some TV channels. That's it.

 

 

 

I won't be so categorical about this. EUS was quite an exception ( it performed very well on radios) but mostly, nobody knows Céline has a new single out if there's no video as she isn't played by radios.

 

Radio hits still are a big reason of the success of a song. Especially in the States. Audiences can go as high as 120 million listeners... that's really huge.

LMBTL had no video (that could have gone viral at least ), no radio support and was sung in TV shows that have what? 5 millions viewers in good days...

They absolutely did nothing to reach the maximum of people.

 

They should do now more than before (in the 90s , only TV and radio had an impact and she was played by both...) as means to reach people are way more diversified.

 

Barbara is more classical - and she is 74 years old - 53 years of carrear

 

Mariah is RnB - 28 years of carrear

 

Britney is POP/Dance - 24 years of carrear??

 

Celine is Pop/Rock - 36 years of carrear

 

 

do you think they are flop?

 

we can put them together and make a Divas Show

 

all with great talent in their style

Edited October 27, 2016 at 07:13 AM by celinesounds

[Lotty]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMGjgD6DoKr/

[Condor]

Last night,my gf and I went out with friends just after I had uploaded "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK on my channel.

On our return at the end of the evening,my mailbox was full of messages from people telling they couldn't watch this video.Among them,a "No-reply" message from YouTube,saying my video was blocked worldwide for reasons of copyrights.

This morning,the video is gone,deleted by YouTube.

 

Not only is it very frustrating for me after spending many hours at translating this video,but it's also frustrating not to be able to contact these people.YouTube tells you this or that,period.I'd like to ask them why "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK" without subtitles has been on their site for weeks and is still there without problems,while they decided to delete the exact same video with my subtitles in English.

 

I understand and respect copyrights,but the EPK of an album is simply 100% advertising with comments and short portions of the songs to incite people to buy it.Don't they understand that with English subtitles,this same EPK could prompt English speakers to buy it too?

[celine19]

www.dailymotion.com

[Celine Fan 77]

Last night,my gf and I went out with friends just after I had uploaded "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK on my channel.

On our return at the end of the evening,my mailbox was full of messages from people telling they couldn't watch this video.Among them,a "No-reply" message from YouTube,saying my video was blocked worldwide for reasons of copyrights.

This morning,the video is gone,deleted by YouTube.

 

Not only is it very frustrating for me after spending many hours at translating this video,but it's also frustrating not to be able to contact these people.YouTube tells you this or that,period.I'd like to ask them why "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK" without subtitles has been on their site for weeks and is still there without problems,while they decided to delete the exact same video with my subtitles in English.

 

I understand and respect copyrights,but the EPK of an album is simply 100% advertising with comments and short portions of the songs to incite people to buy it.Don't they understand that with English subtitles,this same EPK could prompt English speakers to buy it too?

 

I'm so sorry for that Condor... We know about YouTube's and TeamCeline's logic...

[Sebulba1]

Last night,my gf and I went out with friends just after I had uploaded "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK on my channel.

On our return at the end of the evening,my mailbox was full of messages from people telling they couldn't watch this video.Among them,a "No-reply" message from YouTube,saying my video was blocked worldwide for reasons of copyrights.

This morning,the video is gone,deleted by YouTube.

 

Not only is it very frustrating for me after spending many hours at translating this video,but it's also frustrating not to be able to contact these people.YouTube tells you this or that,period.I'd like to ask them why "Céline Dion Encore un soir EPK" without subtitles has been on their site for weeks and is still there without problems,while they decided to delete the exact same video with my subtitles in English.

 

I understand and respect copyrights,but the EPK of an album is simply 100% advertising with comments and short portions of the songs to incite people to buy it.Don't they understand that with English subtitles,this same EPK could prompt English speakers to buy it too?

 

Would it be possible for you to upload it on Dailymotion again? By the way, have you ever considered going on Patreon? I would love to support you for all your hard work and I'm sure there are many more who would, maybe you can start doing this as a fulltime job lol.

[Javito]

Maybe TeamCeline/Sony is just pissed about what fans do selflessly and they are unable to do

[Davey84]

Where's Joe when you need a TC/Sony/YouTube rant?!

[Condor]

Would it be possible for you to upload it on Dailymotion again? By the way, have you ever considered going on Patreon? I would love to support you for all your hard work and I'm sure there are many more who would, maybe you can start doing this as a fulltime job lol.

Dailymotion is a French site and I'm 99.9% sure they will delete it too.I could mute or to be safe, remove all the song parts and keep only the comments by Céline and the song writers.

 

About doing this fulltime, you certainly have to be a somewhat weird individual to like doing this full time.Syncing subtitles is tedious and boring.So, why am I still doing this? I don't know exactly,except that I love Céline lol.

[celine19]

dear condor,

 

we appreciate your work so so so much, you can´ t imagine, what it means to us!