"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Taking Chances]

Jav got banned, because of some people here thought that he doesn't fit to their positivity-utopia with his messages. He may write only with prior notice. This is fascism, in my opinion. Are you happy, dear Unicorn-fans?

 

It's ridicules that he's been banned. What a low thing to do... and right in time for the album release. I enjoyed reading his opinions, and I hope he comes back.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 12:45 PM by Taking Chances

[Xpresso]

The songs are dull so similar. The worse is baby. Its absolute tosh x worse celine album ever. Period

Wow now you have just confirmed what I thought for a while. That you are just a troll on this forum. About 10 posts saying it's boring and dull. Maybe you are the boring and dull one after all.

[Moleque20]

 

 

It's ridicules that he's been banned. What a low thing to do... and right in time for the album release. I enjoyed reading his opinions, and I hope he comes back.

 

It is a music forum, why the f... do some people want to ban another person because they don't like his posts? If these posts were against the rules, I would accept that. But no, this is like the book "1984". You are either a happy and positive fan or some ppl will get you banned.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 12:50 PM by Moleque20

[Xpresso]

 

 

So what? She had an amazing 1st week and we are proud of her. But now this week is over and it seems that the album will end up a huge flop.

You are aware that selling one million albums worldwide is now a normal standard, right? With all the touring she will probably sell that much.

What if she had debuted at #10 and remained in the Top 40 until Christmas due to sales being spread over a month, that wouldn't make it flop?

Edited November 28, 2019 at 12:55 PM by Xpresso

[Davey84]

Jav got banned, because of some people here thought that he doesn't fit to their positivity-utopia with his messages. He may write only with prior notice. This is fascism, in my opinion. Are you happy, dear Unicorn-fans?

 

 

It is a music forum, why the f... do some people want to ban another person because they don't like his posts? If these posts were against the rules, I would accept that. But no, this is like the book "1984". You are either a happy and positive fan or some ppl will get you banned.

 

As a mod I feel the need to react to this. This is not the reason why he was banned and Javito got the explanation why. These reasons are not share publicly, due to privacy. So don't go declaring "fake news" as facts. Also it is not a permanent ban and if people have questions about a certain member, PM them and don't discuss this in threads!

 

Any more posts on this will be hidden.

[Critiaslux]

https://blitz.pt/principal/update/2019-11-26-Xutos--Pontapes-lideram-Top-Nacional

 

Courage album is #5 in Portugal!

It's her highest entrance in years.

 

 

Seems out of nowhere, without promo.

 

Good news 😊

[rodrigo]

Google Play Brazil (The Best Selling Albuns)

# 8 Courage (Deluxe)

[Critiaslux]

Courage debuts at #4 in Austria.

 

Some other good charting news !

 

Thanks for sharing 😃

[Unisono]

 

 

It has some really nice tracks and I like it much more than the Frankenstein album, TC. But it has no hit-material. All the songs of C are fillers.

 

And the ones that are meant to be fillers are the good ones!

[Moleque20]

You are aware that selling one million albums worldwide is now a normal standard, right? With all the touring she will probably sell that much.

What if she had debuted at #10 and remained in the Top 40 until Christmas due to sales being spread over a month, that wouldn't make it flop?

 

Going from #1 to #50 or even lower it is a flop to me. Longevity is important.

[Xpresso]

 

 

Going from #1 to #50 or even lower it is a flop to me. Longevity is important.

I think the overall sales are better than going from #1 to #50 (or #100). If this album would have been released in March, she would not drop that much. The end result is what's important, not how she gets there.

[Taking Chances]

Wait... so I finally received my order from celinedion.com today and they shipped it twice!! So instead of 2 CDs, I got 4!

 

And I got the Japanese version yesterday, lmao.

[scielle]

SoundScan (Billboard) update as of end-of-day Tuesday: #80, with 5.8k album equivalents.

It's #17 on pure album sales (4.3k), but drops all the way down once streaming is factored in.

 

For context, if you think of what it takes to make up for 1 album sale by streaming:

 

3,750 streams x 3 min (assuming a 3-minute song) = 11,250 minutes of streaming / 60 = 187.5 hours / 24 = 7.8 days

 

So 7.8 days of full-time, 24/7 streaming to make up 1 album sale. Who has the time in their day to stream this obsessively? 15-year-olds!

 

That's for free / ad-supported platforms (audio or video).

 

For subscriptions, it's 1,250 x 3 = 3,750 min / 60 = 62.5 hours / 24 = 2.6 days

 

That's the reality of what we're up against.

[yoyoma]

It will be definitely out of 100 by end thursday

[gafsa]

Wait... so I finally received my order from celinedion.com today and they shipped it twice!! So instead of 2 CDs, I got 4!

 

And I got the Japanese version yesterday, lmao.

 

 

OMG how lucky you are hahaha.

 

I feel like a unicorn, this album makes me always happy.

[Moleque20]

SoundScan (Billboard) update as of end-of-day Tuesday: #80, with 5.8k album equivalents.

It's #17 on pure album sales (4.3k), but drops all the way down once streaming is factored in.

 

For context, if you think of what it takes to make up for 1 album sale by streaming:

 

3,750 streams x 3 min (assuming a 3-minute song) = 11,250 minutes of streaming / 60 = 187.5 hours / 24 = 7.8 days

 

So 7.8 days of full-time, 24/7 streaming to make up 1 album sale. Who has the time in their day to stream this obsessively? 15-year-olds!

 

That's for free / ad-supported platforms (audio or video).

 

For subscriptions, it's 1,250 x 3 = 3,750 min / 60 = 62.5 hours / 24 = 2.6 days

 

That's the reality of what we're up against.

 

This is really sad. I don't think she will ever see any gold or platinum Album in the States. Maybe when she dies her "Best Hits" Album will be her next big success.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 02:06 PM by Moleque20

[gafsa]

SoundScan (Billboard) update as of end-of-day Tuesday: #80, with 5.8k album equivalents.

It's #17 on pure album sales (4.3k), but drops all the way down once streaming is factored in.

 

For context, if you think of what it takes to make up for 1 album sale by streaming:

 

3,750 streams x 3 min (assuming a 3-minute song) = 11,250 minutes of streaming / 60 = 187.5 hours / 24 = 7.8 days

 

So 7.8 days of full-time, 24/7 streaming to make up 1 album sale. Who has the time in their day to stream this obsessively? 15-year-olds!

 

That's for free / ad-supported platforms (audio or video).

 

For subscriptions, it's 1,250 x 3 = 3,750 min / 60 = 62.5 hours / 24 = 2.6 days

 

That's the reality of what we're up against.

 

Wow, what a long hours to do that. Thank you for the info.

I really want to help, but to stream all day everyday is just too much for me. Fortunately chart couldn't take away the joy I got from this album.

[scielle]

For reference, the top streamer so far this week (Trippie Red) is at 85mln streams, the 2nd (Post Molone) is at 50mln (Fri-Tue).

Over the same period, Celine is at 1.2m.

 

There's no question Celine, like most veteran acts, has a streaming problem.

 

But it's not just that - she's getting out-streamed by many other veteran acts. Acts that haven't recorded or even have been dead for years. (Granted, right now streaming charts are skewed by Christmas classics from decades ago).

 

She'll never compete with the hip-hop kids, but its not like her genre is dead on arrival, either. The music itself is not dissimilar to some mixture of Sia / Adele / Ed Sheeran / Sam Smith / etc. and all of these do just fine in streaming. And Celine really should be doing better.

[sarit_celine]

For reference, the top streamer so far this week (Trippie Red) is at 85mln streams, the 2nd (Post Molone) is at 50mln (Fri-Tue).

Over the same period, Celine is at 1.2m.

 

There's no question Celine, like most veteran acts, has a streaming problem.

 

But it's not just that - she's getting out-streamed by many other veteran acts. Acts that haven't recorded or even have been dead for years. (Granted, right now streaming charts are skewed by Christmas classics from decades ago).

 

She'll never compete with the hip-hop kids, but its not like her genre is dead on arrival, either. The music itself is not dissimilar to some mixture of Sia / Adele / Ed Sheeran / Sam Smith / etc. and all of these do just fine in streaming. And Celine really should be doing better.

 

So other veteran artists do better than here, now that's a problem.

 

I have no doubt that if an AND was a new hit it would have some amazing streaming numbers

and it doesn't need to sound like this, it has to have this big spark.

To my own opinion, the new songs don't have that "spark", that makes that it will be played in one's head over and over

again, but most over, my soul doesn't have this deep connection it had (right away) with songs like CTM and others.

And she doesn't need to kill her voice in order to create those magical moments with her music,

for me, it's about the way she delivers it.

 

If Sony would have really believed in her, I believe they will "go to war" and make anything in order to get those streaming numbers up.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 02:41 PM by sarit_celine

[jepoi]

She just doesn't connect to the masses anymore. Maybe she needs to make her presence more felt in social media? Post random personal stuff. Although highly unlikely because she doesn't even post on IG her OWN photos wearing those haute couture.

 

She's just too private even when she always claims she's an open book.

 

For reference, the top streamer so far this week (Trippie Red) is at 85mln streams, the 2nd (Post Molone) is at 50mln (Fri-Tue).

Over the same period, Celine is at 1.2m.

 

There's no question Celine, like most veteran acts, has a streaming problem.

 

But it's not just that - she's getting out-streamed by many other veteran acts. Acts that haven't recorded or even have been dead for years. (Granted, right now streaming charts are skewed by Christmas classics from decades ago).

 

She'll never compete with the hip-hop kids, but its not like her genre is dead on arrival, either. The music itself is not dissimilar to some mixture of Sia / Adele / Ed Sheeran / Sam Smith / etc. and all of these do just fine in streaming. And Celine really should be doing better.

[Xpresso]

SoundScan (Billboard) update as of end-of-day Tuesday: #80, with 5.8k album equivalents.

It's #17 on pure album sales (4.3k), but drops all the way down once streaming is factored in.

 

If the old chart system (sales only) would still be used, she'd be #17. But now with streaming she drops to #80. The ticket bundle makes more sense than this streaming in charts! I wish more countries would still use sales only (digital and physical). In this case, nobody would use the word flop (which only applies to streaming by the way).

[scielle]

She just doesn't connect to the masses anymore. Maybe she needs to make her presence more felt in social media? Post random personal stuff. Although highly unlikely because she doesn't even post on IG her OWN photos wearing those haute couture.

 

She's just too private even when she always claims she's an open book.

 

Yeah, I always felt that way. She's very open about a select few things, but very private otherwise. As she has every right to be and I absolutely get it.

 

And yes, I think part of it is having a constant, active, authentic social media presence. Part of it is interacting with other artists and fans - features, more so than duets per se, responding to people on social media, etc. Part of it is videos - even ones as simple as Courage and Imperfections had a substantial uplift on those songs.

Team Celine is moving in the right direction, and Sony definitely tried hard this time around - Spotify and Amazon billboards, Alexa convos - but it's a slow and hard uphill climb.

 

Streaming is about volumes, and her demo is just not there. Plus even if they are, they have decades worth of music they like to spread across their playlists, they don't listen to the same 5 artists over and over, unlike the teens and Gen-Zs that make up much of streaming consumption.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 03:16 PM by scielle

[sarit_celine]

Jav got banned, because of some people here thought that he doesn't fit to their positivity-utopia with his messages. He may write only with prior notice. This is fascism, in my opinion. Are you happy, dear Unicorn-fans?

 

That's such pity thing to do.

 

This board should be a place to share opinions, but proved to be the opposite.

 

That reminds me all the amen-sayers around Celine, now if she had some people

on her side that truly believe in her music path...

[emi&celine]

Immediate effect on iTunes:

 

#41 (+805) Imperfections

#19 (+14) Courage (album)

[scielle]

If the old chart system (sales only) would still be used, she'd be #17. But now with streaming she drops to #80. The ticket bundle makes more sense than this streaming in charts! I wish more countries would still use sales only (digital and physical). In this case, nobody would use the word flop (which only applies to streaming by the way).

 

I disagree. Charts are supposed to be about reflecting overall popularity and consumption. And majority of music consumption these days is streaming. It's what saved the music business from totally collapsing.

A ticket bundle where you pay for the CD whether you want it or not is perhaps reflective of demand to see the artist, but not of the album itself. (Yes, you have to actively redeem it for it to count towards charts, but you're paying for it as part of your ticket regardless.)

 

Record labels don't even include things like downloads in their forecasts and budgeting anymore, it's such an insignificant part of the business, and declining at 20-40% per year. In most models, physical is not even included, or is assumed to be entirely out of the picture in 3-5 years. (This is my day job, so I am intimately acquainted...)

We sign acts all the time now purely based on their streaming revenues, and they increasingly get signed for a certain number of individual tracks, not albums. And most new signings are teenagers who do urban & hop-hop, with pop and rock acts getting dropped. A&R now is all about kids who break out on social media. That's just where the business is at.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 03:36 PM by scielle

[jpatdeleon09]

No wonder Javi is just here liking posts. Also waiting for his posts but I didn’t know he was banned. Anyways, it’s not forever, right?

[sarit_celine]

Immediate effect on iTunes:

 

#41 (+805) Imperfections

#19 (+14) Courage (album)

 

Nice! I'm waiting to see a HD recording of this one

[mikez]

For real no promo planned for the Xmas season?

[sarit_celine]

For real no promo planned for the Xmas season?

 

She pre-recorded so many interviews, wondering if they will put it out soon?

A live special of the new album could be such a nice thing.

[gafsa]

 

 

That's such pity thing to do.

 

This board should be a place to share opinions, but proved to be the opposite.

 

That reminds me all the amen-sayers around Celine, now if she had some people

on her side that truly believe in her music path...

 

It's not about it, it's been explained by mod.

Edited November 28, 2019 at 03:49 PM by gafsa