"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Alex_Incognito]

It’s not my favorite album, but in my opinion it’s light years ahead of the LMBTL album!

If "Loved Me Back To Life" stopped after "Save Your Soul" and kept on in the same direction, it would have been an epic album

[rfkavanagh]

If "Loved Me Back To Life" stopped after "Save Your Soul" and kept on in the same direction, it would have been an epic album

 

I'd keep a couple more songs, but overall I'm right there with you. The album starts off so well and then becomes lethargic and forgettable about half-way through. The mish-mash of their original plan and the new "hey, we've got some contemporary material as well!" rework is really obvious and makes for a highly inconsistent and disappointing listen. Which is a pity, because the album has some great material. I really wish they'd chosen a lane and stuck to it (the contemporary one, preferably).

[mirage]

For me a sign that they are money driven by letting the canceld shows take priority rather than promoting the album in the US and Europe.

 

 

 

 

She got sick. That forced her to reschedule canceled dates during the month that had been set aside for her to do promo when the album was released. How quickly we forget!

[mirage]

Oh yeah! Big time!

 

 

If "Loved Me Back To Life" stopped after "Save Your Soul" and kept on in the same direction, it would have been an epic album

[couldawouldashoulda]

For me a sign that they are money driven by letting the canceld shows take priority rather than promoting the album in the US and Europe.

 

 

Well, AEG is definitely money driven and Celine has a contract with them that obligates her to do the performances.

[mirage]

I get that she is obligated to fulfill that contract.

But those shows could have been added at anytime.

Guess Sony thought that the album would sell even without promotion.

 

 

 

Well, AEG is definitely money driven and Celine has a contract with them that obligates her to do the performances.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I get that she is obligated to fulfill that contract.

But those shows could have been added at anytime.

Guess Sony thought that the album would sell even without promotion.

 

We don't know what goes on behind the scenes though. Since she got sick at the beginning of the tour, AEG could've really pressured her to reschedule the concerts asap because they wanted/needed a return on their investment. I always say, there have to be a million behind-the-scene business reasons that things happen the way they will and we'll never be privy to them.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

She got sick. That forced her to reschedule canceled dates during the month that had been set aside for her to do promo when the album was released. How quickly we forget!

 

There’s no confirmed proof she had any promo planned… that was just a rumour started on the forum and fans ran with it

[couldawouldashoulda]

There's no confirmed proof she had any promo planned… that was just a rumour started on the forum and fans ran with it

 

No, but she had an entire month off of the tour scheduled which just happened to be the month that the album was released. We can be pretty sure they had promo planned.

[symon]

The Courage album momentum has not been built unlike encore un soir, but it would have been possible. Interviews, explainations about Stéphane moccio coming back with the song courage like jj Goldman with encore un soir ... For me it would have been the first single. But it s past, let a new era begin. And maybe a new album in 2022 ? A New french one would be great before the tour. And maybe a new english Best of with 2 our 3 ballads in bonus ?

[Shamrock_1982]

 

 

There’s no confirmed proof she had any promo planned… that was just a rumour started on the forum and fans ran with it

 

Absolute bullshit!

 

She had promo booked for the UK in late 2019 that Sony UK arranged and instead of being in NYC she was supposed to be at the listening party in the UK to kick of that promo tour.

Edited October 18, 2021 at 09:37 PM by Shamrock_1982

[CelinesDIVO5]

For me a sign that they are money driven by letting the canceld shows take priority rather than promoting the album in the US and Europe.

 

Promo appearances are not for revenue, whereas the concert dates are, so of course they are going to take precedence. But this was not the case of one taking priority over the other. The promo dates were set. She got sick, and they were canceled. It’s very cut and dry.

[Celinelife]

Fans have to stop looking for snippets lol.

[garyhollander]

Nice idea, but a complete waste of timeunlike many other artists Céline has so many different groups of fans who will not want to work together on one specific project unfortunately due to their own egos/belief's, as we have seen time and time again over the years.

 

Other artists can achieve this with ease as they have one massive group of fans who are happy to work together.

 

Sad but its true, its nothing new.

But lets do it anyways and see if we keep thinking negatively we never will achieve

 

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[garyhollander]

I've said this before, but I find Courage to be one of Celine's most boring releases. It's such a monotone album and I don't think it will date very well.

Nobody wants to hear it twice if your not participating just keep it to yourself

 

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[garyhollander]

 

Is your reading comprehension that bad that you don't understand that we weren't talking about the same thing?

 

Fans like me? Don't lump me in this group you created. Your post sounds like it was written by a bitter 13 year old. Don't get offended. The songs you listed are boring to me.

 

Lazy fans? Ive supported Céline non stop since 1996 and haven't given up yet. I was buying CD singles and watching TV shows when you were just a twinkle in you're father's eye. And I waited for 2 years for her 2002 return while you were shitting your pants. How about you? I have the right to not like an album. How about you?

And you sound like a bitter 50 year old happy? You can always have an opinion but why do you feel the need to be debby downer when someone brings a positive idea to help celine?

 

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[garyhollander]

When I'm saying that the tour was a flop is in terms of creativity to promote a new record, nothing new, only the wig, compared to Taking Chances tour,

 

In TC The stage was amazing, when I saw the 1st live bootleg from the tour I was so excited, that I got a ticket immediately

Thats your opinion cause i find the staging and dresses with the videos look great..

 

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[garyhollander]

For me the best Celine-Dion album in English this century. Stupidly, it opened with the weakest track. The album without the first 3 songs would have been brilliant.

But the rest is brilliant.

But one question remains unanswered for me: Why was the great album not promoted when it was released? Imagine you have a #1 album in the US and you disappear from the scene. That can't have been the plan - something must have happened that we don't know about.

And the fact that the album was hacked 2 weeks before the release date also did great damage. This -"fan" forum here has contributed a lot to this disaster.

Ciao.

Things didnt go well they had plans to promote but she got sick cancelled all the shows and then it was christmas time

 

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[garyhollander]

 

Theres no confirmed proof she had any promo planned that was just a rumour started on the forum and fans ran with it

There is actually proof that she was scheduled on the kelly clarkson show.. i saw something about that

 

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[PuraVida]

Let's not forget that in the promo she did have, she wasn't even *allowed* to talk in detail about the album. And a tour that started before the album release.

 

 

What kind of backwards plan is that? Make it make sense.

 

Edit: Oops, I don't work at Sony or in the music industry, so I guess I can't have an opinion

Edited October 19, 2021 at 07:29 AM by PuraVida

[Celinelife]

Well she was there on Jimmy Fallon, but somehow they didn't asked her a lot about Courage but about a stupid debate.

 

I see a lot of potential in this song and the album, maybe more than Adele's new song alone. But I don't know why people don't see that.😥

[Shamrock_1982]

But lets do it anyways and see if we keep thinking negatively we never will achieve

 

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Not being negative at all, it’s a great idea but also a great waste of time looking at numerous other projects we have tried as fans and got nowhere.

[Shamrock_1982]

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[browseceline]

Might be, but look, Celine didn't recorded the song(I am not talking about the album right now), because it was a hit material. But just because it was a touching to her. Same with other songs of the album like FTLTIL, Boundaries, I will be stronger, Falling In Love Again, The Hard Way etc.,

 

And as a side note, don't get offended, but just because of people like you, this album and the song went flop. And lazy #ss fans are so lazy that they don't even want to help anyone getting this song back on charts.

 

I was reading many articles, and fans alone can bring the song in Top 100. Do you even know the power we hold, lazy fans?

 

No no, don’t blame the fans! She and her Team are responsible for that! Only them and Sony! They let the album die though it has some great potential songs! They decided to encourage fans to go and visit her exceptional Courage Worldtour which was essence a greatest hits with great stagedesign. She could put any interesting song of the album in the setlist, yet they decided to go on the same ‘boring’ ‘familiar’ ‘save’ road again. In all this time of COVID and quarantine other artists went on catering their fans with music or even new songs. Not so with Celine. She once delivered a new album. Three songs bam online. Singing them a few times in tour and that is it. She could have done so much more with this album. So don’t blame it on the fans and personally I do not feel the need to get those songs back in the tracks when she does not show interest taking the effort to stand for her album. An album she apparently was so proud of. As often with her new material. She and they let it die slowly. Only catering the masses with the songs she has always sung in each and every concert.

 

 

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[stevo]

It was a series of unfortunate incidents and back to fronts. The tour started before the album, Flying on my Own was just wrong as a lead/warm up single- she should have left Vegas with a strong, heavily promoted single.

 

She was quite sick and the promo time that at least probably would have given us a couple of performances of songs on tv shows/interviews didn’t happen. Remember how ropey she sounded at the start- she was definitely struggling.

 

As Darren said, she was meant to be in the U.K. for some time doing shows and interviews, and that’s a real shame that it didn’t happen.

 

She is obligated to fulfil contracts though, so AEG, being the beast that it is, had to fit the shows in. That’s why doing the whole thing back to front didn’t work. There should have been album then tour.

 

But it is what it is.

Edited October 19, 2021 at 08:42 AM by stevo

[Alex_Incognito]

Nobody wants to hear it twice if your not participating just keep it to yourself

 

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Amd who might you be? I wasn't talking to you ***t waffle. Nor did I ever mention this "campaign." Sit down, child, and practice reading

[jpatdeleon09]

Children!

 

- Céline Dion, Today Show 2016

[garyhollander]

Amd who might you be? I wasn't talking to you ***t waffle. Nor did I ever mention this "campaign." Sit down, child, and practice reading

I am myself! Im acting like a child.. you should grow up and take the feedback like a grownup

 

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[garyhollander]

 

Not being negative at all, its a great idea but also a great waste of time looking at numerous other projects we have tried as fans and got nowhere.

Yeahh what i meant was more like instead of saying how it wont work lets find a way for it to work better next time or maybe how we can unify fans more then break them appart. Can someone actually explain why celine fans are so devided?

 

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[ordinary fan]

It was a series of unfortunate incidents and back to fronts. The tour started before the album, Flying on my Own was just wrong as a lead/warm up single- she should have left Vegas with a strong, heavily promoted single.

 

She was quite sick and the promo time that at least probably would have given us a couple of performances of songs on tv shows/interviews didn't happen. Remember how ropey she sounded at the start- she was definitely struggling.

 

As Darren said, she was meant to be in the U.K. for some time doing shows and interviews, and that's a real shame that it didn't happen.

 

She is obligated to fulfil contracts though, so AEG, being the beast that it is, had to fit the shows in. That's why doing the whole thing back to front didn't work. There should have been album then tour.

 

But it is what it is.

I don't agree with you on your very first point, that FOMO wasn't the right choice to be a single at the time she left vegas. Celine clearly doesn't care that much about the charts anymore. I guess FOMO was choosen as the first single to be released right when vegas ended because the song title speaks for itself in that case. Maybe her and her team saw it as the perfect choice because she was ending the very last project that had anything to do with Rene, so she then was really on her own. For me it really makes sense and I find it very beautiful and emotional.

On the other side yes, sony should have done much much more with the song FOMO, the whole album, the whole promo! But that's sony's thing