"Courage" album - Official Topic

[PuraVida]

It'd be interesting to she the charts of her peers (Mariah, JLo, Madonna, etc) to see how she compares. It's normal to see a decline but has she gone down at the same speed or as much as the others?

 

I'll try and get those out for everyone. But I can tell you that in terms of search volume on Youtube Celine ranks higher than Mariah/Whitney, but somehow that tranlsates to less views. This might be because her team is usiing bad key words, for example, or Youtube is somehow suppressing Celine content.

[maki_Dion-er]

 

 

I'll try and get those out for everyone. But I can tell you that in terms of search volume on Youtube Celine ranks higher than Mariah/Whitney, but somehow that tranlsates to less views. This might be because her team is usiing bad key words, for example, or Youtube is somehow suppressing Celine content.

 

Could also be that the searches are more for her live performances and not so much the old music videos on her channel. They are clicking on videos uploaded by unofficial channels.

[PuraVida]

Could also be that the searches are more for her live performances and not so much the old music videos on her channel. They are clicking on videos uploaded by unofficial channels.

 

That's also part of it, but that is the case for Whitney/Mariah too. They also have unofficial videos for their music or performances. I don't see why Celine should have more, but maybe she does.

[marc-02]

[ordinary fan]

I'll try and get those out for everyone. But I can tell you that in terms of search volume on Youtube Celine ranks higher than Mariah/Whitney, but somehow that tranlsates to less views. This might be because her team is usiing bad key words, for example, or Youtube is somehow suppressing Celine content.

Yeah a big problem is, if you are searching for a song without a music video, it often happens that the song uploaded on her official channel doesn't appear at the first place so you have to scroll down. I think not many casual fans do that. Or her official version doesn't even appears at all. For example "tout l'or des hommes" (album version), "immortality" (album version) but also "s'il suffisait d'aimer, "ain't gonna look the other way" or l'amour existe encore". It should be that way that every song of her should appear on the very first place, no matter if there's a music video for the song or the song is uploaded multiple times like "immortality", we have the music video (not in Germany though), the album version (two times I don't know why), the "all the way" - version and the "essential collection" - version. The should all appear right on the firts place, than unofficial live versions and fan videos. But mostly it's the other way around. Example "I believe in you (je crois en toi), her official version often doesn't appear, it has 99.179 views but the unofficial versions have up to 27m... all those views should be on Celine's own videos Edited September 16, 2021 at 08:39 AM by ordinary fan

[ordinary fan]

Somehow they managed that the videos of the courage album always appear in first place and that translates in views. Compare the videos from her other past albums, all released in 2019, the courage videos were released last but have way more views overall than her past albums which are way more popular

[PuraVida]

Yeah a big problem is, if you are searching for a song without a music video, it often happens that the song uploaded on her official channel doesn't appear at the first place so you have to scroll down. I think not many casual fans do that. Or her official version doesn't even appears at all. For example "tout l'or des hommes" (album version), "immortality" (album version) but also "s'il suffisait d'aimer, "ain't gonna look the other way" or l'amour existe encore". It should be that way that every song of her should appear on the very first place, no matter if there's a music video for the song or the song is uploaded multiple times like "immortality", we have the music video (not in Germany though), the album version (two times I don't know why), the "all the way" - version and the "essential collection" - version. The should all appear right on the firts place, than unofficial live versions and fan videos. But mostly it's the other way around. Example "I believe in you (je crois en toi), her official version often doesn't appear, it has 99.179 views but the unofficial versions have up to 27m... all those views should be on Celine's own videos

 

Good point. It also has to do with the copyright unlocking the videos in certain countries so that they can appear in search results, but as we know she has many videos blocked in many countries. Guess they gotta clean up the Youtube!

[ordinary fan]

Good point. It also has to do with the copyright unlocking the videos in certain countries so that they can appear in search results, but as we know she has many videos blocked in many countries. Guess they gotta clean up the Youtube!

Sony should not be that unprofessional having videos of songs blocked which were released in that countries as singles and on albums... they should make their job right

[PuraVida]

Sony should not be that unprofessional having videos of songs blocked which were released in that countries as singles and on albums... they should make their job right

 

Not sure if it is Sony's issue or Celine's team issue or both, but you are right!

[ryba]

There is official footage of her recording Wicked Game and Imperfections in the NY studio, but they don't want to share it! See the short clips here:

 

https://youtu.be/hyvpMEk70cI

Edited October 9, 2021 at 09:25 AM by ryba

[Celinelife]

Well well well

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUzYfesFPC0/?utm_medium=copy_link

[ryba]

Well well well

 

https://www.instagra...edium=copy_link

these are screen shots from the ET interview Edited October 9, 2021 at 09:36 AM by ryba

[Celinelife]

these are screen shots from the ET interview

I know. That's the only thing TC gave for this video. A shot less than 1 second..that too BTS.

This Lying Down song is a big mystery. The whole song and everything revolving around it. Same with Play Me Like A Love Song.

 

[ordinary fan]

I know. That's the only thing TC gave for this video. A shot less than 1 second..that too BTS.

This Lying Down song is a big mystery. The whole song and everything revolving around it. Same with Play Me Like A Love Song.

Thankfully they released lying down, I love it so much

[garyhollander]

Moreover, this a Courage album thread, there are a lot of thread for bitching about Team Celine or even a member (I'm kidding with this one). The major part is that most fans are unhappy with Celine's recording career of this decade.

Neh I would say the fans that are unhappy are in the minority they all *CENSORED* here on the forum...

[PuraVida]

I'm in the minority, but I could really not care less about Play Me Like A Lovesong. I wasn't that impressed by the snippet.

 

It will feel weird to have the Courage era just slip by, having come and gone

Edited October 10, 2021 at 05:28 AM by PuraVida

[Celinelife]

I'm in the minority, but I could really not care less about Play Me Like A Lovesong. I wasn't that impressed by the snippet.

 

It will feel weird to have the Courage era just slip by, having come and gone

I would like to blame the pandemic for half the things.

[PuraVida]

I would like to blame the pandemic for half the things.

 

It's true. Very unforunate, a sad twist of fate. There was so much buildup, and it just feels like a chunk of history got erased. But that's true of more things than just her album.

[Alex_Incognito]

The album was dead in the water long before the pandemic.

[browseceline]

The album was dead in the water long before the pandemic.

 

Starting with a courage tour that did not have enough courage!

 

 

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[Celinelife]

Courage surprassed 100 million streams in Spotify.

[ordinary fan]

Courage surprassed 100 million streams in Spotify.

I would like to have a comparasion to her other albums

[Peppercorn1991]

I love this album so much.

 

Kev x

[PuraVida]

It definitely feels like her most personal album in ages. Very relatable songs with which you will think about your own life

[Fanxiaoqiang]

Courage surprassed 100 million streams in Spotify.

Can you show us the details of every song about Spotify numbers?

It seems that it should not be enough for 100m.

[manu23]

I would like to have a comparasion to her other albums

 

I think FIY is over 500M, LTAL 480 or so and then TATST comes third.

[ryba]

I think FIY is over 500M, LTAL 480 or so and then TATST comes third.

That may be also the reason why she stopped or took that break in 2000. They saw that the sales go down with every following album and that people probably have enough, so they decided to step back for a while to create hunger for more (Just like Adele is doing after every album and tour). Maybe Sony also pressured her (remember, Tomy Mottola was quite a character) and it was all a litte too much for her, so she just said she wants to have a baby and wants a normal life. I think there was a lot going on behind the scenes that we have no idea about, and that baby nad normal life explanation was something similar to the "Aldo needs more time for his family, that's why he won't be the manager anymore" explanation when in reality he got fired. Yes, I do believe that she was exhausted by 1999 after all the touring etc. and wanted a break, but I also believe that there was more to that. Edited October 13, 2021 at 12:44 PM by ryba

[CelinesDIVO5]

That may be also the reason why she stopped or took that break in 2000. They saw that the sales go down with every following album and that people probably have enough, so they decided to step back for a while to create hunger for more (Just like Adele is doing after every album and tour). Maybe Sony also pressured her (remember, Tomy Mottola was quite a character) and it was all a litte too much for her, so she just said she wants to have a baby and wants a normal life. I think there was a lot going on behind the scenes that we have no idea about, and that baby nad normal life explanation was something similar to the "Aldo needs more time for his family, that's why he won't be the manager anymore" explanation when in reality he got fired. Yes, I do believe that she was exhausted by 1999 after all the touring etc. and wanted a break, but I also believe that there was more to that.

 

She was supposed to take a break after FIY, but then Titanic happened. And then after LTAL, because Rene’s cancer was a huge dose of reality. They didn’t expect that wave with MHWGO, and they made the definitive decision to go on a break. I think ATW was just a means to finish out her current contract with Sony at the time. Or to fulfill a certain amount of albums within a specific time span.

[ryba]

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She was supposed to take a break after FIY, but then Titanic happened. And then after LTAL, because Rene's cancer was a huge dose of reality. They didn't expect that wave with MHWGO, and they made the definitive decision to go on a break. I think ATW was just a means to finish out her current contract with Sony at the time. Or to fulfill a certain amount of albums within a specific time span.

what is also interesting is that around the same time of her break there was this huge dispute between Mottola and Michael Jackson, also Mariah. I wonder whether there were more issues between Sony and its artists and whether Celine suffered in a way as well Edited October 13, 2021 at 03:28 PM by ryba

[Celinelife]

Apparently, fans are planning on listening to Courage(song) enough to get it on charts back or just to increase the views on streaming platforms.

 

 

It's called "Courage Project"