"Courage" album - Official Topic

[PuraVida]

A legacy act doing an Instagram live song

 

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIq5whHhpw3/?igshid=1fn3nds23i77e

[mirage]

It's definitely a waste of a great album and a great moment.

Everyone was waiting for it, the timing was right ending Vegas after many years, first English album without René, first English album during the Celinaissance.

So many easy options to promote it the right way.

 

I wonder if there will be another time like this.

 

I emailed Feeling who sent me a lovely reply saying they’d forwarded it to Sony Music Canada who ran the competition.

 

In other news, reading this in Rolling Stone’s review of Courage makes me sad- what a waste of a majestic album that the world should have known about.

 

‘Consider Courage to be Dion’s version of Cher’s Believe: an album that arrived at exactly the right time and proved to a new generation that she’s worth revisiting and recognizing as a diva very capable of keeping up with the times.’

[garyhollander]

There is a difference in singing in another style ( Sia) or just having pronounciation so wrong that you can hardly understand the words. A producer should take care of that.

 

 

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Yeah in some Renb songs they cut up words and swallow vowels to make it sound more street.. so the pronunciantion is not wrong the pronunciation is not as clear and open as it would in in a different singign style go listen to making of incredible where celines tells neyo you got to teach me the sometin... with certain styles of singing you dont do the hole clear thing look at sia!! either she is trying something similar or just experimenting

[smw]

As much as I would have loved bigger promo for the Courage album... it's still a fantastic album.

We still have more big stuff coming our way as fans.

Who knows... maybe her song(s) for Text For You will be huge (like Ashes).

And maybe that movie / soundtrack will spark a whole new resurgence of interest in Celine's music.

I'm trying to be patient with the fact that Celine's in timeout / reset mode, but she will rise and dominate again soon.

 

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Edited December 11, 2020 at 10:18 PM by smw

[Del]

 

 

I emailed Feeling who sent me a lovely reply saying theyd forwarded it to Sony Music Canada who ran the competition.

 

I would definitely follow up and mention you've not heard back from Sony Music Canada and if they can provide you details on how you can get an update.

 

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[PuraVida]

I never thought in a million years Celine would ever cover "Wicked Game".... I'm still so surprised she did it.

[mirage]

Yeah and it was so unexpected

 

She should use Spotify more. This is a fun way to let her record some covers and for us to have them in HQ.

And maybe an acoustic session. To celebrate an album anniversary.

 

Dreams dreams dreams...

 

I never thought in a million years Celine would ever cover "Wicked Game".... I'm still so surprised she did it.

[SuperLove4Celine]

I emailed Feeling who sent me a lovely reply saying they'd forwarded it to Sony Music Canada who ran the competition.

 

In other news, reading this in Rolling Stone's review of Courage makes me sad- what a waste of a majestic album that the world should have known about.

 

'Consider Courage to be Dion's version of Cher's Believe: an album that arrived at exactly the right time and proved to a new generation that she's worth revisiting and recognizing as a diva very capable of keeping up with the times.'

 

Considering "Courage" as the equivalent to "Believe" is just laughable. "Believe" was trendsetting worldwide. The title track was played around the world nonstop and transformed the music scene. Nothing from "Courage" has even come close to doing that. If anything, it just solidified Celine doing the usual as of late - making a sad attempt to sound modern, edgy and hip, but falling far short. Yes, there are a handful of songs from the album I enjoy well enough, but they're nothing truly iconic or long-lasting.

[PuraVida]

Considering "Courage" as the equivalent to "Believe" is just laughable. "Believe" was trendsetting worldwide. The title track was played around the world nonstop and transformed the music scene. Nothing from "Courage" has even come close to doing that. If anything, it just solidified Celine doing the usual as of late - making a sad attempt to sound modern, edgy and hip, but falling far short. Yes, there are a handful of songs from the album I enjoy well enough, but they're nothing truly iconic or long-lasting.

 

In terms of chart success (Yes I know it fell precipitously), it not very often that a 50+ female gets a #1 record. Streisand comes to mind, not sure if Believe went to #1, but it is an elite group.

 

I think she sounded modern enough actually. I think even moreso it would've made a bigger splash and sounded edgier in 2017 or 2018, but hey. My biggest problem from the musical side is the pronunciation, I think.

[browseceline]

 

In terms of chart success (Yes I know it fell precipitously), it not very often that a 50+ female gets a #1 record. Streisand comes to mind, not sure if Believe went to #1, but it is an elite group.

 

I think she sounded modern enough actually. I think even moreso it would've made a bigger splash and sounded edgier in 2017 or 2018, but hey. My biggest problem from the musical side is the pronunciation, I think.

Was that not because they gave everyone who went to her concert a free cd?

 

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[Céline RO]

As much as I would have loved bigger promo for the Courage album... it's still a fantastic album.

We still have more big stuff coming our way as fans.

Who knows... maybe her song(s) for Text For You will be huge (like Ashes).

And maybe that movie / soundtrack will spark a whole new resurgence of interest in Celine's music.

I'm trying to be patient with the fact that Celine's in timeout / reset mode, but she will rise and dominate again soon.

 

https://people.com/m...romantic-drama/

 

I really have no hopes at all for this Text For You thing. It’s definitely not a blockbuster and not something of the magnitude of Deadpool 2. It will probably be like a little sketch that will go virtually unnoticed by most of the industry. Céline will be on for about 10 minutes and the song, if we even get one, will probably remain unknown.

 

I’m expecting it to be more like her appearances in The Muppets and Touched By An Angel rather than a true acting debut. By the way, I also don’t believe she will ever get into acting.

[Céline RO]

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Was that not because they gave everyone who went to her concert a free cd?

 

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Yes, and?

 

The album might have been able to reach number one even without the bundle but it would have been much closer.

Edited December 12, 2020 at 08:30 AM by Céline RO

[PuraVida]

Was that not because they gave everyone who went to her concert a free cd?

 

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Not technically free, but in part yes.

[ryba]

I think that when Covid ends, this whole Celinaissance will be totally over and even forgotten, as life and time go on. She had a huge chance and all the odds were in her favour at that particular time, people paid attention to her in a positive way, but she didn’t make sufficient use of that. I’m not sure she will ever have such a chance again. Edited December 12, 2020 at 08:45 AM by ryba

[ryba]

 

 

I really have no hopes at all for this Text For You thing. It’s definitely not a blockbuster and not something of the magnitude of Deadpool 2. It will probably be like a little sketch that will go virtually unnoticed by most of the industry. Céline will be on for about 10 minutes and the song, if we even get one, will probably remain unknown.

 

I’m expecting it to be more like her appearances in The Muppets and Touched By An Angel rather than a true acting debut. By the way, I also don’t believe she will ever get into acting.

I even think that it will be a corny flop.

 

Such a project was already due in 2016-2019 while she was on peoples radar and everyone was craving Celine. I’m afraid that now people simply don’t care no more (even I as a fan don’t really care no more, she was waiting for way too long with everything). Times change and Celines chance is long gone. There are more important things to pay attention to now...

[browseceline]

Why does TC post this on Twitter?

 

 

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[PuraVida]

I think that when Covid ends, this whole Celinaissance will be totally over and even forgotten, as life and time go on. She had a huge chance and all the odds were in her favour at that particular time, people paid attention to her in a positive way, but she didn't make sufficient use of that. I'm not sure she will ever have such a chance again.

 

That is what some people fail to get. This was her last best chance to gain NEW fans.

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That is what some people fail to get. This was her last best chance to gain NEW fans.

 

Without even moving a finger ( almost)

 

 

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[Xpresso]

Was that not because they gave everyone who went to her concert a free cd?

 

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This was discussed at length when the album came out. One CD per order (not per person). And they had to redeem it. It's not like "here's a CD for everyone in the arena." It used to be like that, however some rules were put in place to avoid this problem. I think Prince is the one who started that trend...

[mirage]

This. 2016/2017 was even a better time.

When she went to all those TV shows, they even could have dropped an EP or at least something.

 

But instead they promoting Recovering as a new song from her yet to be released new album

 

For me she should just stay where she is now. So used of not seeing or hearing a thing from her.

Stay in that forest for another year, get some inspiration, finally write your own music and create some magic and comeback.

 

 

 

That is what some people fail to get. This was her last best chance to gain NEW fans.

[Xpresso]

For me she should just stay where she is now. So used of not seeing or hearing a thing from her.

Stay in that forest for another year, get some inspiration, finally write your own music and create some magic and comeback.

Are you that type of friend who tells everyone what they should do with their life/career? But seriously, I wonder if she would come back if she went away for a long time. Edited December 12, 2020 at 02:49 PM by Xpresso

[manu23]

It is surprising though that despite Celine or her team or Sony doing everything sooo bad and the rest of artists doing everything sooo right, Courage album has sold more than double than the last albums from Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Katy Perry, Janet Jackson, outsold Madame X (all of them with bundles too), and Courage tour is by far the top female tour of the year, second overall.

 

There are many ways of gaining new fans. As many who already attended the show wrote here, the audience in the Courage tour was much younger than usual for a Celine Dion concert. I have read many comments on YouTube "first time seeing her in concert but for sure not the last". How can anyone objectively speaking worry about Celine's career? Only artist from the 90s that makes the list of the highest paid musicians year after year?

 

This is just from one of the articles about Forbes Top Musicians:

 

Celine Dion is perhaps everyone’s favorite artist. She is an icon who has had an outstanding musical career. Even in her 50s, she has shown no signs of slowing down. The unabashed flamboyance of her performances over the years has always got her fans buzzing. Also, the raw cycle of the music industry played a significant role in Dion’s rise to iconic status.

[scielle]

It's definitely a waste of a great album and a great moment.

Everyone was waiting for it, the timing was right ending Vegas after many years, first English album without René, first English album during the Celinaissance.

So many easy options to promote it the right way.

 

I wonder if there will be another time like this.

 

Yeah, so many things aligned for this album and so many ways they could have promoted it but somehow, the promo plan - if there ever was one - just fell off the rails. And it's just such a shame that Courage, her strongest English album by far, IMHO, falls into obscurity, while her weakest, LTAL, is the multi-million-seller that's seen as the barometer of all she does. I don't know if Sony ran out of marketing budget or if there were conflicting opinions of how to go about it all or what - but the ball was definitely dropped here. And that just saddens me.

I think she definitely has a chance to make waves and do something that catches the public interest again in a big way, but it would have to be something quite a bit different; she'd have to take a real risk.

[couldawouldashoulda]

It is surprising though that despite Celine or her team or Sony doing everything sooo bad and the rest of artists doing everything sooo right, Courage album has sold more than double than the last albums from Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Katy Perry, Janet Jackson, outsold Madame X (all of them with bundles too), and Courage tour is by far the top female tour of the year, second overall.

 

There are many ways of gaining new fans. As many who already attended the show wrote here, the audience in the Courage tour was much younger than usual for a Celine Dion concert. I have read many comments on YouTube "first time seeing her in concert but for sure not the last". How can anyone objectively speaking worry about Celine's career? Only artist from the 90s that makes the list of the highest paid musicians year after year?

 

This is just from one of the articles about Forbes Top Musicians:

 

Such a great post! So many people here act like the sky is falling when it's the exact opposite. Celine is doing just fine. She's never going to have a #1 song again or be played on the radio everywhere (or get billions of streams or whatever it is people care about.) She's going to continue touring and performing for literally millions of people around the world and be one of the most popular touring acts out there. I just don't get what some people expect but let them stew and be upset. It won't change anything.

 

I'll just continue listening to the Courage album, the best album she's released in decades. Why? Because I LOVE it! Not because it's popular. Not because it sold x many units or was streamed x many times. I love the album because I love the music.

[PuraVida]

It is surprising though that despite Celine or her team or Sony doing everything sooo bad and the rest of artists doing everything sooo right, Courage album has sold more than double than the last albums from Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Katy Perry, Janet Jackson, outsold Madame X (all of them with bundles too), and Courage tour is by far the top female tour of the year, second overall.

 

There are many ways of gaining new fans. As many who already attended the show wrote here, the audience in the Courage tour was much younger than usual for a Celine Dion concert. I have read many comments on YouTube "first time seeing her in concert but for sure not the last". How can anyone objectively speaking worry about Celine's career? Only artist from the 90s that makes the list of the highest paid musicians year after year?

 

This is just from one of the articles about Forbes Top Musicians:

 

The reason it did so well is because this was seen as her comeback album and she had not released an album since 1) her husband's death 2) the Celinaissance and rebranding 3) it was a good album! Moreover, younger Celine fans who grew up with TTWII, IA, or IDAN finally were old enough to attend concerts on their own.

 

So, it's not that they were necessarily new fans. There's no way to actually prove that, especially using anecdotes.

 

What people don't seem to get is if an artist can achieve more and higher and better, we should want them to. That's my perspective always.It is never a worry that she will ever fail to sell tickets as to force her away from music? (Another example of putting words in people's mouths).

Edited December 12, 2020 at 08:44 PM by PuraVida

[PuraVida]

It's the same idea as how in 2002 she sold 12 million of her album, and then the next year in 2003 her new album sold 5 million.Digital sales were not yet a factor.

 

Obviously, double platinum album is amazing and many would kill for that. And it means her career is doing well. But for Celine, it is considered an under-performance. Dropping 7 million sales in just one year? I am sure Rene wasn't delighted about that.

 

It's all relative. Celine is only ever trying to surpass herself, so why should we not also WANT that? I wouldn't have cared at all if Celine's album was #284 on the charts as long as we know she and her team gave it their best in promo and really stood behind the music.

[manu23]

I would say Celine fans who grew up listening to TTWII were old enough no attend the Taking Chances tour, how old do you need to be to attend a show in the USA? And even if that's the case, how impressive it is that she is able to keep fans for so many years? Isn't that maybe more important than gaining new ones? As a marketer myself I can tell you customer retention is way more important (and more difficult) than new customer acquisition.

 

Yes, it might be hard to measure how many seeing her for the first time were actually new fans, but I think it is even harder to say that Courage was her last chance to gain new fans. Unless you hide a superpower to foresee the future, how can you know that for sure?

 

And again, I'm not saying they do everything right, I just try to look at things with perspective, and I think Celine is doing more than fine.

Edited December 12, 2020 at 09:26 PM by manu23

[PuraVida]

I would say Celine fans who grew up listening to TTWII were old enough no attend the Taking Chances tour, how old do you need to be to attend a show in the USA? And even if that's the case, how impressive it is that she is able to keep fans for so many years? Isn't that maybe more important than gaining new ones? As a marketer myself I can tell you customer retention is way more important (and more difficult) than new customer acquisition.

 

Yes, it might be hard to measure how many seeing her for the first time were actually new fans, but I think it is even harder to say that Courage was her last chance to gain new fans. Unless you hide a superpower to foresee the future, how can you know that for sure?

 

And again, I'm not saying they do everything right, I just try to look at things with perspective, and I think Celine is doing more than fine.

 

Do you really need it spelled out? Someone who was born in 1998, say, would have been 10 years old when TCWT came around. Obviously, you will need parental supervision and a parent who is buying the ticket.

 

For Courage, that person is going to be 21 years old, meaning able to buy a ticket themselves legally and due to income. Thus, there it makes sense that there would be a significant amount of younger people at the shows. But do we know? That is just anecdotal. Of course, I am happy if that was the case. But we cannot assume those were "new" fans, even if they were young.

 

The point remains: the Courage album and tour, if history proves a lesson, was her last big chance to gain new fans in one fell swoop. A new era of Celine lovers. Yes, it's blatantly obviously there are other ways to do it, but at scale? No.

 

That is not to say that keeping old fans is not hard or important. Again, putting words in another's mouth. I already said she was doing fine. The point is to be, as Celine says, "the best of myself".

Edited December 12, 2020 at 09:40 PM by PuraVida

[sarit_celine]

Yes her staying at a second place for top grossing tours after her lockdown in Las Vegas

it's an amazing achievement and speaks volumes.

And she has nothing to worry about with the French market.

I think Celine was amazed that she gained again so much popularly because of fashion, and that fashion brought her more interest

and motivation than any other music project will ever do.

 

Things aren't predictable with her, it will be interesting to see what Celine will do in the near future.

[PuraVida]

10 million views in only like 5.5 months! This would've 100% got a standing ovation at the Grammys!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWWyO-C2o0&list=RDJY4_iMEt6Jk

Edited December 13, 2020 at 05:23 AM by PuraVida