"Courage" album - Official Topic

[weasley123]

 

 

A duet will be the big deal, amen.

 

That momentum has gone.

[PuraVida]

And how do you know Barbra and Stevie weren't approached? Barbra always says no anyway. Oh wait, she says yes, and then...

 

How do you know she was? I don't have faith in Celine's team. But the old stagefright days of Barbra are gone at this point. She has relaxed a lot.

[sarit_celine]

That momentum has gone.

 

We don't know when the tour will resume, we can only hope for something like that.

It will be against any logic if her label won't do something this 2021 to remind the world Celine still sings.

[browseceline]

 

We don't know when the tour will resume, we can only hope for something like that.

It will be against any logic if her label won't do something this 2021 to remind the world Celine still sings.

They will remind with photos or old performances

 

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[CelinesDIVO5]

I find it so strange that people attach their enjoyment of a beautiful album to the promotion (or lack thereof) of said album.

 

If it’s a beautiful album, it’s a beautiful album. “Courage” didn’t lose any of it’s luster for me, just because the promo wasn’t the best. It’s one thing if the style or the songs just aren’t for you. But to be like “it’s a great album, but it just wasn’t promoted enough for me to like it” is crazy to me. 21 fabulous songs to enjoy! It’s still her best since “Falling Into You” in my opinion.

[Chantemoi]

I find it so strange that people attach their enjoyment of a beautiful album to the promotion (or lack thereof) of said album.

 

If it’s a beautiful album, it’s a beautiful album. “Courage” didn’t lose any of it’s luster for me, just because the promo wasn’t the best. It’s one thing if the style or the songs just aren’t for you. But to be like “it’s a great album, but it just wasn’t promoted enough for me to like it” is crazy to me. 21 fabulous songs to enjoy! It’s still her best since “Falling Into You” in my opinion.

 

I don’t see anyone saying they “can’t enjoy the music”. I think she’s choosing much better material these days, and many fans are upset because they want the world to love her as much as we do! We want to hear her new songs in clubs, bars, restaurants, big box stores, etc. but they (perhaps rightly so) think that the lack of promotion led to this album being ignored —which is a crying shame, because the Celinaissance really got our hopes up for a “comeback” à la Cher or Tina, or even Madonna. This might have been her last chance for that to happen, so yeah, I think the disappointment many of us feel about Courage is valid.

 

That said, most songs from this album topped my “most streamed songs of the year” list on Apple, and the CD hardly left my car’s player. Proof that voicing discontentment is not necessarily interlinked with enjoyment.

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The past few days I’ve been giving LMBTL a relisten. It’s really a marvelous album IMO, but “Overjoyed” and “Always Be Your Girl” essentially kill the momentum for me. Bar those two, I prefer LMBTL over TC. But to each their own!

[Céline RO]

I find it so strange that people attach their enjoyment of a beautiful album to the promotion (or lack thereof) of said album.

 

If it's a beautiful album, it's a beautiful album. "Courage" didn't lose any of it's luster for me, just because the promo wasn't the best. It's one thing if the style or the songs just aren't for you. But to be like "it's a great album, but it just wasn't promoted enough for me to like it" is crazy to me. 21 fabulous songs to enjoy! It's still her best since "Falling Into You" in my opinion.

 

I also find it strange but it really does happen! If “Imperfections” would have simply been another song on the album I probably wouldn’t have liked it at all. However, because it was released as a single with a music video and even gained some popularity, the song magically sounds better and I actually listen to it quite a bit. I can only imagine the effect it would have on other, arguably better songs on the album. I don’t know how it works but somehow, for me, songs seem to truly get better if they become popular, I’m not lying.

[ryba]

 

 

I also find it strange but it really does happen! If “Imperfections” would have simply been another song on the album I probably wouldn’t have liked it at all. However, because it was released as a single with a music video and even gained some popularity, the song magically sounds better and I actually listen to it quite a bit. I can only imagine the effect it would have on other, arguably better songs on the album. I don’t know how it works but somehow, for me, songs seem to truly get better if they become popular, I’m not lying.

same with me. I began liking the song after I saw the video a few times

[PuraVida]

 

 

I don’t see anyone saying they “can’t enjoy the music”. I think she’s choosing much better material these days, and many fans are upset because they want the world to love her as much as we do! We want to hear her new songs in clubs, bars, restaurants, big box stores, etc. but they (perhaps rightly so) think that the lack of promotion led to this album being ignored —which is a crying shame, because the Celinaissance really got our hopes up for a “comeback” à la Cher or Tina, or even Madonna. This might have been her last chance for that to happen, so yeah, I think the disappointment many of us feel about Courage is valid.

 

That said, most songs from this album topped my “most streamed songs of the year” list on Apple, and the CD hardly left my car’s player. Proof that voicing discontentment is not necessarily interlinked with enjoyment.

************************

 

The past few days I’ve been giving LMBTL a relisten. It’s really a marvelous album IMO, but “Overjoyed” and “Always Be Your Girl” essentially kill the momentum for me. Bar those two, I prefer LMBTL over TC. But to each their own!

 

Well said, and I agree. Overjoyed was a letdown for me. ABYG i like on its own occasionally, but yeah the album flow gets tripped up by it

[guigafs15]

This is not completely strange, tbh. We are talking about pop music and let's face it: visual aid it's a big part of the deal. Pop music it's not the most complex and well thought songs out there, it's quite simple and repetitive. It's the visualization that helps tell the history.

 

There's a reason why artists like Madonna, Britney, Janet and even Michael became pop icons, despite not being the biggest vocalists or have amazing lyrics. The whole performance they put out create a bigger narrative than the songs itself.

 

Think about "Nobody's Watching". It's a pretty silly song, with lyrics like "i wanna party like a belieber", that sounds completely desperate when sung by a woman in Celine's age. But, with the right video, and the right performance, could become a empowering song about liberty of being and expressing itself, the goods of not taking yourself too seriously or maybe even a anthem against ageism.

 

Celine it's an interpreter, she doesn't write or produce her own material. Without visual help to expand the narrative, Courage it's just another good pop album like dozens that comes out every year. You listen to it and then move to next one.

[manu23]

I also find it strange but it really does happen! If “Imperfections” would have simply been another song on the album I probably wouldn’t have liked it at all. However, because it was released as a single with a music video and even gained some popularity, the song magically sounds better and I actually listen to it quite a bit. I can only imagine the effect it would have on other, arguably better songs on the album. I don’t know how it works but somehow, for me, songs seem to truly get better if they become popular, I’m not lying.

 

Imperfections was the best, probably only, song with single possibilities in the album. They picked it really well, After playing the album to some people that are not fans, all liked it the most. FTLTIL would have been a good follow up I think. Imperfections is not my absolute favorite but I was surprised to see it was my most played song on Spotify this year. But what I like about Courage album is that is sounds cohesive, I can listen to it still now without jumping any songs. This didn't happen to me with LMBTL or TC.

 

The more you listen to a song the more you like it, that's why artists pay radios or Spotify to play their songs, nothing strange about it But for me as a Celine fan I usually enjoy the less popular songs more, songs that haven't been singles.

[jpatdeleon09]

My Top 3 songs from this album are

 

Lying Down

Courage

Imperfections

[PuraVida]

My top 3 are (not in order)...

 

Say Yes

The Chase

Change My Mind

 

4-6 would be (not in order)....

 

Perfect Goodbye

Flying On My Own

Boundaries

Edited December 27, 2020 at 11:49 AM by PuraVida

[DionFanAlways]

Top 3 that I listen to all the time:

 

Boundaries

Lying Down

Heart of Glass

[Lolo88]

Am I THE ONLY ONE to dislike "Lying Down" ?

[ryba]

. Edited December 27, 2020 at 06:30 PM by ryba

[ryba]

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[Chantemoi]

Top 3:

Baby

For the Love That I Lost

The Hard Way -tied with- The Chase

 

I just tried to make a “bottom 3” category and I can’t!

The only song I loathe is “Falling in Love Again”.

Even FOMO is tolerable in the right mood (I just wish it was re/mixed better to fit the album).

 

[sarit_celine]

Am I THE ONLY ONE to dislike "Lying Down" ?

 

I can't stand the studio version because they ruined her voice with all the sound effects, after I heard the live version which was way much better I stay with that.

[PuraVida]

Celine got ~500k likes on her Christmas photo. And then Mariah only got only ~200k

 

 

😝😝😝

[OnlyCeline]

Celine got ~500k likes on her Christmas photo. And then Mariah only got only ~200k

 

 

😝😝😝

 

 

Yes and Mariah is one of the celebs who “liked” Celine’s Christmas pic. 😆

[PuraVida]

Yes and Mariah is one of the celebs who "liked" Celine's Christmas pic.

 

She only does this for holidays, I notice lol. Halloween and Christmas

[celinesounds]

Celine got ~500k likes on her Christmas photo. And then Mariah only got only ~200k

 

 

 

and AIWFC was number one again

 

I met an Angel on Xtmas day

[sarit_celine]

and AIWFC was number one again

 

I met an Angel on Xtmas day

 

Celine must to hire Mariah's team, they do for her magics with a song she recorded decades ago.

But Mariah still has the hunger to be everywhere and anywhere and it's quite amazing.

[PuraVida]

 

 

Celine must to hire Mariah's team, they do for her magics with a song she recorded decades ago.

But Mariah still has the hunger to be everywhere and anywhere and it's quite amazing.

 

Mariah craves the #1status.... she shared like 5 or 6 photos of the charts, screen shots of Billboard and Spotify etc. Showing off her victory

 

Celine has the complete opposite personality and team. Celine proved everything to everyone by the year 2000.

[smw]

I don't mean any disrespect... but based on the interviews Mariah gave when promoting her memoir, it seems she didn't feel very accepted as a child. In my opinion, I assume that plays into her deep inner need to be #1. Being #1 for a moment validates her. Craving that top slot gives her a relentless drive. But I'm sure there's a dark side to always chasing #1 as well. With that said, I'm happy for her fans to ride that wave of excitement with her.

 

Celine is incredibly driven as well. But it's never been about numbers with her. She and Rene were especially driven in the 80s and 90s. The career they built together is astounding. But Celine always left the numbers and charts to Rene. Celine would show up and give 110 percent to everything she ever did. She was always driven to outdo herself / be the best of herself and to also impress Rene. That's what drove her. She wanted an international career and she achieved it.

 

There's such a monumental foundation for Celine Dion's career, that she will always be considered one of the greats. Even though she doesn't chase #1s, she will always be tremendously respected in the industry. And she's still #1 all the time when it comes to her concerts! Which is absolutely amazing and the result of a lifetime of dedication to her career / craft. It also demonstrates that the world knows she is the best of the best, even if she never has another #1 on Billboard again.

 

Celine talks about the price you pay when you dedicate your life to building an international career at the 24:35 mark in this video...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ityd7JDHLbg&t=546s

 

Anyone here who is exhausted by the fact that Celine is too quiet these days and her team is crap (I often fall into this camp!), go back and watch these Sonia Benezra interviews with Celine from the 90s. Celine's already been there and done it. She is not going to go about her career today the way that Mariah does. It's just not going to happen. Celine feels secure in herself, her accomplishments, and her status in the music industry. She might not jump through hoops anymore the way many of us want her to, but I just have to remind myself... that's okay, because Celine's already reached the mountaintop.

 

If you need a quick dose of "everything's okay in the world", go and look at the comments on YouTube for her O Holy Night video. By and large, people understand that Celine Dion is untouchable.

Edited December 30, 2020 at 05:53 AM by smw

[maki_Dion-er]

Thanks for posting that video. I hadn't seen this interview. I agree w/ what you've said.

 

She seemed truly tired imo, and possibly felt overworked during that interview. Hearing her say that she felt LTAL might be her last album makes me really appreciate the fact that it wasn't. It might have been her biggest selling album ever but she has delivered some amazing albums and songs after it for sure.

It was sad to hear her say she had anxiety attacks often and that she didn't know if she'd do everything she had again. I think those were clear signs of exhaustion.

 

If having a more "mellow" (she's still performing & working a lot) paced career means we got/get more Celine in the long run then I'm all for it.

I feel a return to Vegas is inevitable but I would be happy if she stayed away for at least 4-5 years. She can do some great stuff at her preferred pace before settling back down in LV.

Edited December 30, 2020 at 07:15 AM by maki_Dion-er

[guigafs15]

I don't mean any disrespect... but based on the interviews Mariah gave when promoting her memoir, it seems she didn't feel very accepted as a child. In my opinion, I assume that plays into her deep inner need to be #1. Being #1 for a moment validates her. Craving that top slot gives her a relentless drive. But I'm sure there's a dark side to always chasing #1 as well. With that said, I'm happy for her fans to ride that wave of excitement with her.

 

Celine is incredibly driven as well. But it's never been about numbers with her. She and Rene were especially driven in the 80s and 90s. The career they built together is astounding. But Celine always left the numbers and charts to Rene. Celine would show up and give 110 percent to everything she ever did. She was always driven to outdo herself / be the best of herself and to also impress Rene. That's what drove her. She wanted an international career and she achieved it.

 

There's such a monumental foundation for Celine Dion's career, that she will always be considered one of the greats. Even though she doesn't chase #1s, she will always be tremendously respected in the industry. And she's still #1 all the time when it comes to her concerts! Which is absolutely amazing and the result of a lifetime of dedication to her career / craft. It also demonstrates that the world knows she is the best of the best, even if she never has another #1 on Billboard again.

 

Celine talks about the price you pay when you dedicate your life to building an international career at the 24:35 mark in this video...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ityd7JDHLbg&t=546s

 

Anyone here who is exhausted by the fact that Celine is too quiet these days and her team is crap (I often fall into this camp!), go back and watch these Sonia Benezra interviews with Celine from the 90s. Celine's already been there and done it. She is not going to go about her career today the way that Mariah does. It's just not going to happen. Celine feels secure in herself, her accomplishments, and her status in the music industry. She might not jump through hoops anymore the way many of us want her to, but I just have to remind myself... that's okay, because Celine's already reached the mountaintop.

 

If you need a quick dose of "everything's okay in the world", go and look at the comments on YouTube for her O Holy Night video. By and large, people understand that Celine Dion is untouchable.

 

Those kinda of speeches are always beautiful but, IMO, untruthful. If Celine felt like she didn't have anything to prove and if she actually didn't care about numbers, she wouldn't keep repeating the same old hits songs on tour and completely ignoring a 20 track album that she said she loves and it means so much to her. She rather sing hit songs from other artists then sing a non-hit song of her own. That is about numbers!

She maybe given up the numbers that she knows she can't no longer hit, but that's not the same.

 

More then that, in every english album after ANDHC she tried to emulate an artist that was big at the moment: she tried to be Sia and Adele, in Courage and LMBTL, she tried Kelly Clarkson on Taking Chances. For God's sake, she even tried to be Britney Spears on One Heart.

 

It would be great if what you said was true, maybe then she would go back to be Celine and not sombody else. But that's not the case.

 

Mariah is desperate because her whole life resumes to her career. Celine not so much, she already said multiple times she would be okay if she never work again. That's the difference. But make not mistakes, they're both uselessly trying to hold on to those numbers.

Edited December 30, 2020 at 07:27 AM by guigafs15

[smw]

Those kinda of speeches are always beautiful but, IMO, untruthful. If Celine felt like she didn't have anything to prove and if she actually didn't care about numbers, she wouldn't keep repeating the same old hits songs on tour and completely ignoring a 20 track album that she said she loves and it means so much to her. She rather sing hit songs from other artists then sing a non-hit song of her own. That is about numbers!

She maybe given up the numbers that she knows she can't no longer hit, but that's not the same.

 

More then that, in every english album after ANDHC she tried to emulate an artist that was big at the moment: she tried to be Sia and Adele, in Courage and LMBTL, she tried Kelly Clarkson on Taking Chances. For God's sake, she even tried to be Britney Spears on One Heart.

 

It would be great if what you said was true, maybe then she would go back to be Celine and not sombody else. But that's not the case.

 

Mariah is desperate because her whole life resumes to her career. Celine not so much, she already said multiple times she would be okay if she never work again. That's the difference. But make not mistakes, they're both uselessly trying to hold on to those numbers.

 

The truth probably lies somewhere in between our perspectives.

 

In my opinion, the One Heart, Taking Chances, LMBTL, and Courage albums were also about Celine expressing different styles to please herself -- considering she and Rene knew that she would never hit the amounts of records she sold back in the 90s. With these albums, she tried a bunch of different styles that steered away from her "classic Celine" sound. And I think she found it empowering. (Whereas a lot of us found it frustrating because many of us crave classic Celine.) I'm sure Rene was probably still thinking in terms of selling records, but I think Celine was genuinely enjoying the experimentation / trying out new things because she had already proven herself in the industry.

 

With the concerts... I do think Celine is strategic. She knows how to put together a setlist that pleases the masses, and it's worked beautifully to keep those shows selling out year after year. She has said that she doesn't "need" the sold out concerts in her life, but she would definitely miss it if the crowds suddenly stopped coming and it all ended. She loves a fired up crowd. She feeds off it. So I think that takes precedence over anything else.

 

I do hope we get more classic Celine songs / albums down the road. I think Play Me Like A Love Song, based on the snippet we've heard, has the potential to be very classic Celine. Ashes also falls under the classic Celine umbrella.

Edited December 30, 2020 at 09:06 AM by smw

[PuraVida]

The truth probably lies somewhere in between our perspectives.

 

In my opinion, the One Heart, Taking Chances, LMBTL, and Courage albums were also about Celine expressing different styles to please herself -- considering she and Rene knew that she would never hit the amounts of records she sold back in the 90s. With these albums, she tried a bunch of different styles that steered away from her "classic Celine" sound. And I think she found it empowering. (Whereas a lot of us found it frustrating because many of us crave classic Celine.) I'm sure Rene was probably still thinking in terms of selling records, but I think Celine was genuinely enjoying the experimentation / trying out new things because she had already proven herself in the industry.

 

With the concerts... I do think Celine is strategic. She knows how to put together a setlist that pleases the masses, and it's worked beautifully to keep those shows selling out year after year. She has said that she doesn't "need" the sold out concerts in her life, but she would definitely miss it if the crowds suddenly stopped coming and it all ended. She loves a fired up crowd. She feeds off it. So I think that takes precedence over anything else.

 

I do hope we get more classic Celine songs / albums down the road. I think Play Me Like A Love Song, based on the snippet we've heard, has the potential to be very classic Celine. Ashes also falls under the classic Celine umbrella.

 

Celine could fire up a crowd with a more diverse setlist too. It's just a shame this hasn't happened as much as fans would like (it seems).

 

Part of it is that unlike Mariah, Celine has been working her entire life. So by the year 2000 she was super tired. Her rise to fame was not as easy and took even longer than Whitney and Mariah. She wasn't able to just live in New York or the surrounding area and get discovered----that's where Streisand/Madonna/Whitney/Mariah all come from.

 

I don't care if Celine isn't #1, I just want for her to get the recognition she deserves i.e. as much as she possibly can at any given time and for her to maximize her potential, along with having a good relation with fans.