"Courage" album - Official Topic

[browseceline]

I feel that when she would have promoted songs like the hard way, heart of glass, change my mind or even perfect goodbye with proper videos , people would have had more interest to listen to her new album. She is stuck in her old songs and year after year , tour after tour she keeps on singing them. If she wanted to be known for other songs and just for the fun of singing something else than those same songs, she could have sung more songs of courage. Not to say that is the mean reason but, apart from her fashionpics, she does not do much to stay relevant. and that is a shame for a phenomenal singer like her!

 

 

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[ryba]

Or AT LEAST include some good Courage songs in the interlude videos during the concerts

[Xpresso]

 

Funny thing is, Celine was the big female touring artist. I really don't get it. People in US like to see her live but they don't listen to her.

They do listen to her but on CDs, not by streaming unfortunately. That's what happens when a big part of your fan base is older.

[Chantemoi]

I feel that when she would have promoted songs like the hard way, heart of glass, change my mind or even perfect goodbye with proper videos , people would have had more interest to listen to her new album. She is stuck in her old songs and year after year , tour after tour she keeps on singing them. If she wanted to be known for other songs and just for the fun of singing something else than those same songs, she could have sung more songs of courage. Not to say that is the mean reason but, apart from her fashionpics, she does not do much to stay relevant. and that is a shame for a phenomenal singer like her!

 

I love how you worded this. It’s like you summarized 1,000,000 pages of this forum in one paragraph

[PuraVida]

They do listen to her but on CDs, not by streaming unfortunately. That's what happens when a big part of your fan base is older.

 

 

 

Celine also has a lot of older fans who don’t stream music. So streaming isn’t the whole story.

 

Madonna’s fan base isn’t older? Mariah’s isn’t?

 

Mariah and Celine started their English careers at the same time. That’s why this argument doesn’t hold up.

 

And Whitney isn’t dead. Her fan base should be older than Celine’s by a few years on average.

Edited January 15, 2021 at 10:56 PM by PuraVida

[guigafs15]

I don't think time is an issue in this case. There's a lot of old artists on that list, including some from the 70s that I have never heard about like The Debbie Brothers and Eletric Light Orchestra. There's even a guy who only plays piano music to relaxation and meditation.

 

BTW, I'm not saying this to undermine Celine. It's just streams, she's way more than that. I just think it's interesting, the difference between her concerts sales and her streams makes no sense to me. I mean, Ciara is on the list. The girl can only do concerts on nightclubs and it's like 5 dates tops on each tour, and still she got more streams than Celine, the top touring artist.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

 

 

Madonna’s fan base isn’t older? Mariah’s isn’t?

 

Mariah and Celine started their English careers at the same time. That’s why this argument doesn’t hold up.

 

And Whitney isn’t dead. Her fan base should be older than Celine’s by a few years on average.

 

Madonna isn’t good at streaming also. But she can sold out shows just like Céline

 

Mariah is good at streaming. Thanks to Christmas song but not that good at concerts (can’t sold out shows consistently compared to Céline and Madonna)

Edited January 16, 2021 at 05:23 AM by jpatdeleon09

[PuraVida]

Does anyone remember the name of this TV show segment that Celine did? I think it was VH1 or MTV but I cannot recall the name!

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CENkhMFpCyt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[comingback]

Does anyone remember the name of this TV show segment that Celine did? I think it was VH1 or MTV but I cannot recall the name!

 

 

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The show was "A Matter of Taste" on the German music channel VIVA II (1996).

[PuraVida]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCZNWVyc8f0

 

The show was "A Matter of Taste" on the German music channel VIVA II (1996).

 

OMG THANK YOU. It was so frustrating trying to remember it and look for it. I even messaged a couple of members privately about it months ago.

Edited January 16, 2021 at 08:33 AM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

If I'm the manager of Céline. I will bring back some of her old team. Which they make more effort in their job.

 

- I will bring Scott Barnes again for the updated make up look for Céline and fix her eyebrows again lol

 

- I will hire a new hairdresser (since the old one is dead, right? Can be seen in A New Day... All Access)

 

- I will have a meeting with her sound team to make an effort to make the sound better again (they did that before) when viewing it in proshot. - This is important. Enough with the dry, raw, thin sound, and too much autotune, and dubbing. If in TV Shows (Singing Contest), can make their contestants sounds better. I'm sure Céline's sound team can do that also since they should be more professional in this department.

 

Also, when recording a new song. I will bring back the blending of vocals with the instrumentals. The classic Céline. with effects.

 

- It's a must to document again everything (concerts, behind the scenes) so in the future if another pandemic comes again. We can release something for the fans.

 

- Recording at least 2 new singles a year. If making an album every year is hard and making new tours for new album. Since I'm sure she'll be back in Residency.

 

 

My top priority will be the

 

sound quality

 

I reallyt like the sound quality in A New Day...All Access. Natural with surround sound quality and more open and not like mono dry sound.

 

This is the example of the sound quality that i like. Hear there's more resonance in her voice.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sMUPrF0ywg

 

compared to this slightly autotuned-mono sound. start at 5:50

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNIPqafd4As

 

See! Sound Quality is the most important here.

 

Céline's team are you seeing this? You did this before, right? Do it again!

 

More example of bad sound quality. What's happening to the sound team? It sounded so so so flat. The sound quality affects the energy of the song. Sound team should need more effort. If I'm the manager you're out!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUcTP_3H4c

 

This one is a bit better compared to the I'm alive proshot. But the eq of the vocals in her mic needs some a little tiny bit of tweak (tooo much highs). The A New Day... All Access is so balanced. They did that. Do it again.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-ssI9QvkM

Edited January 16, 2021 at 09:38 AM by jpatdeleon09

[ryba]

I think it was Julie Snyders team who did AND, but now she works with a different team

[PuraVida]

Madonna isn't good at streaming also. But she can sold out shows just like Céline

 

Mariah is good at streaming. Thanks to Christmas song but not that good at concerts (can't sold out shows consistently compared to Céline and Madonna)

 

I don't know, Madonna has 7 songs over 100 million views. Celine has 2. According to what I can see from a quick look.

 

And clearly Madonna was good enough at streaming to get on the list in question.

[ryba]

 

 

I don't know, Madonna has 7 songs over 100 million views. Celine has 2. According to what I can see from a quick look.

 

And clearly Madonna was good enough at streaming to get on the list in question.

Im Alive alone has over 200 million views, not to mention her other big hits Edited January 16, 2021 at 04:30 PM by ryba

[Céline RO]

I don't know, Madonna has 7 songs over 100 million views. Celine has 2. According to what I can see from a quick look.

 

And clearly Madonna was good enough at streaming to get on the list in question.

Im Alive alone has over 200 million views, not to mention her other big hits

 

Céline currently has 7 songs on her YouTube channel with over 100M views as far as I’m aware, will soon be 8 with “Ashes”. Also, remember that some of Céline’s biggest hits aren’t uploaded to YouTube on her channel. If they were, I’m sure she would have even more. Imagine if official videos for MHGWO, BYLM, BATB, IYA or “The Prayer” were uploaded.

[ryba]

Céline currently has 7 songs on her YouTube channel with over 100M views as far as I’m aware, will soon be 8 with “Ashes”. Also, remember that some of Céline’s biggest hits aren’t uploaded to YouTube on her channel. If they were, I’m sure she would have even more. Imagine if official videos for MHGWO, BYLM, BATB, IYA or “The Prayer” were uploaded.

if these hits aren't on her YouTube channel, it makes me worder if she owns the right to them, or if she was only given the opportunity to sing them for the big companies that prduced the movies. Does she have a share in these songs? That would be interesting to know.

[Chantemoi]

if these hits aren't on her YouTube channel, it makes me worder if she owns the right to them, or if she was only given the opportunity to sing them for the big companies that prduced the movies. Does she have a share in these songs? That would be interesting to know.

 

I’m no expert, but my guess would be that with all their business savvy, TC (a.k.a. René) ordered them to upload content that THEY fully own the rights to, so that they can sidestep any major royalties to the film rights.

 

Less payout to them = more money for us

Edited January 16, 2021 at 05:17 PM by Chantemoi

[guigafs15]

 

 

More example of bad sound quality. What's happening to the sound team? It sounded so so so flat. The sound quality affects the energy of the song. Sound team should need more effort. If I'm the manager you're out!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUcTP_3H4c

 

This one is a bit better compared to the I'm alive proshot. But the eq of the vocals in her mic needs some a little tiny bit of tweak (tooo much highs). The A New Day... All Access is so balanced. They did that. Do it again.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT-ssI9QvkM

 

I don't think it's a fair comparison, though. This proshot videos look like bootlegs to me and those kinda videos always have bad sound. It's usually videos from the big screens on shows, with sound capture by the sound table with no intention of balance.

 

When a show is recorded you need professionals responsible specifically to capture the audio for the recording, as the set up for a live video or album It's completely different than the one necessary on the venue itself, where you have echos, people screaming and other things to consider while balancing.

 

That being said, I think Courage, the album, it's the best example of a bad sound quality in this era.

[ryba]

I don't think it's a fair comparison, though. This proshot videos look like bootlegs to me and those kinda videos always have bad sound. It's usually videos from the big screens on shows, with sound capture by the sound table with no intention of balance.

 

When a show is recorded you need professionals responsible specifically to capture the audio for the recording, as the set up for a live video or album It's completely different than the one necessary on the venue itself, where you have echos, people screaming and other things to consider while balancing.

 

That being said, I think Courage, the album, it's the best example of a bad sound quality in this era.

She struggled quite a bit while singing Courage. I'm glad she has some time to rest now.

[Xpresso]

I don't know, Madonna has 7 songs over 100 million views. Celine has 2. According to what I can see from a quick look.

 

And clearly Madonna was good enough at streaming to get on the list in question.

That's because Madonna teams up with younger acts who get a lot of streaming. Otherwise she'd be in the same boat as Celine. But she's not that popular on streaming either. And Mariah, well she can thank the Xmas season for her streaming numbers.

[guigafs15]

That's because Madonna teams up with younger acts who get a lot of streaming. Otherwise she'd be in the same boat as Celine. But she's not that popular on streaming either. And Mariah, well she can thank the Xmas season for her streaming numbers.

 

She can thank herself for it. It's her song, she wrote, she recorded, she deserves recognition for make it a Christmas classic. The way you talk it's like you think she got lucky. Didn't Celine also have a Christmas album? Why Celine’s Christmas didn't help her streams? 🤔

 

For that kinda logic, we can also said Celine can thank Titanic for her streaming numbers (or even her sells).

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I don't think it's a fair comparison, though. This proshot videos look like bootlegs to me and those kinda videos always have bad sound. It's usually videos from the big screens on shows, with sound capture by the sound table with no intention of balance.

 

When a show is recorded you need professionals responsible specifically to capture the audio for the recording, as the set up for a live video or album It's completely different than the one necessary on the venue itself, where you have echos, people screaming and other things to consider while balancing.

 

That being said, I think Courage, the album, it's the best example of a bad sound quality in this era.

 

That’s why they need to put some effort on sound quality. It’s quite embarrassing to share this kind of quality.

Same quality they did for the televised Japan show 2018. Bad sound quality

Edited January 16, 2021 at 09:18 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Chantemoi]

That's why they need to put some effort on sound quality. It's quite embarrassing to share this kind of quality.

Same quality they did for the televised Japan show 2018. Bad sound quality

 

But if anyone asks for something "specific" like better sound quality, Team Céline will turn away in disgust and ignore us- for we are just too demanding to ask the best for our Queen

[manu23]

I feel that when she would have promoted songs like the hard way, heart of glass, change my mind or even perfect goodbye with proper videos , people would have had more interest to listen to her new album. She is stuck in her old songs and year after year , tour after tour she keeps on singing them. If she wanted to be known for other songs and just for the fun of singing something else than those same songs, she could have sung more songs of courage. Not to say that is the mean reason but, apart from her fashionpics, she does not do much to stay relevant. and that is a shame for a phenomenal singer like her!

 

 

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If being the top touring female artist of the year, being the female artist from the 90s with more views in YouTube in 2020, being named by Billboard on of the top female artists of 2020, ahead of Mariah Carey (that is American), is not being relevant I don't know what people really expect anymore. According to Kworb, Celine is currently the 335 digital artist in the world, Madonna 422, Mariah 1131, only Whitney is ahead at 237.

 

So Rolling Stone publishes a list based on streams from ONE country in the world and since Celine is not there (yes she is not particularly strong in streaming and in the USA even worst) now she is not relevant but Madonna or Whitney are? So having a number one with a Christmas song from 1994 now that charts building mostly on streaming and ALL Christmas songs are peaking every year now (Frank Sinatra, Brenda Lee, Michael Bublé and of course Mariah Carey) is being relevant but being top touring female artist of the year is not?

[PuraVida]

Im Alive alone has over 200 million views, not to mention her other big hits

 

I’m talking about Spotify. I don’t count YouTube as streaming, not sure if the industry does either. Happy to be corrected.

 

 

And yes her team needs to upload official videos and hits to her YouTube channel like yesterday!

Edited January 17, 2021 at 01:00 AM by PuraVida

[manu23]

Yes, YouTube streams are counted for charts, at least for Billboard. One YouTube view counts exactly the same as one Spotify stream.

[PuraVida]

Yes, YouTube streams are counted for charts, at least for Billboard. One YouTube view counts exactly the same as one Spotify stream.

 

That would explain why Celine is #70 Billboard Top Artist of 2020. Mariah is #81 or something.

 

🤪

[PuraVida]

That's because Madonna teams up with younger acts who get a lot of streaming. Otherwise she'd be in the same boat as Celine. But she's not that popular on streaming either. And Mariah, well she can thank the Xmas season for her streaming numbers.

 

Wrong. All those Madonna hits with 100 million plus (I’m just comparing Spotify, everyone responded with YouTube numbers) were all of her classic big hits and not her recent young collabs.

[Xpresso]

She can thank herself for it. It's her song, she wrote, she recorded, she deserves recognition for make it a Christmas classic. The way you talk it's like you think she got lucky. Didn't Celine also have a Christmas album? Why Celine's Christmas didn't help her streams? ��

 

For that kinda logic, we can also said Celine can thank Titanic for her streaming numbers (or even her sells).

Yes she is lucky... Lucky that Christmas happens every year!

 

She CO-WROTE it by the way.

Edited January 17, 2021 at 02:29 AM by Xpresso

[Xpresso]

Wrong. All those Madonna hits with 100 million plus (I'm just comparing Spotify, everyone responded with YouTube numbers) were all of her classic big hits and not her recent young collabs.

I'm not talking about her biggest streamed songs only. I'm talking about her overall general streaming numbers, and getting the help of Maluma, Timberlake, Anitta has certainly helped her streaming numbers.