"Courage" album - Official Topic

[PuraVida]

Mariah is full of herself. I remember Nick played a different song from different singer when they did the “love” time in bed and Mariah was angry and wanted her own song only played all the time.

 

This is not hate just saying since Mariah was mentioned again here and made some of the members here praised her a little. This 2021. Enough with the comparison and just love love love

 

Ok back to céline. Christmas is over anyways

 

Everyone has good and bad qualities.

[Fanxiaoqiang]

90s female artists with the most accumulated views on YouTube in 2020. She doesn't even need to try

1. @celinedion - 1.26b

2. @MariahCarey - 1.2b

3. @Madonna- 1.04b

4. Whitney Houston - 999m

5. @ShaniaTwain - 333m

6. @tonibraxton - 284m

7. @JanetJackson - 107m

 

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This must contains the fan-upload video

cause celine's VEVO has only small views every year

[mirage]

Her French music is always so much richer than her English repertoire.

But if there are songs I would love to hear in French it would be.

 

FILA

PG

CMM

B

 

For one moment I thought how cool that could be to have some of the Courage songs be recorded in French.

 

[Xpresso]

Her French music is always so much richer than her English repertoire.

But if there are songs I would love to hear in French it would be.

 

FILA

PG

CMM

B

Do you mind expanding on those abbreviations?

[Bruno Portugal]

 

 

Courage's official music video has just reached 7 million views on YouTube while the official audio for Lying Down approaches 9 million. This is just a simple demonstration that the promotion of the Courage album was disastrous.

 

Fortunately, Think Twice or It's All Coming Back To Me Now were released in the 1990's because today they would certainly never be single or have music videos.

 

Excuse me for this outburst, I am simply disappointed with the carelessness in promoting an album that I consider one of Celine Dion best ones.

 

Let's just believe that the best is yet to come...

[ryba]

https://youtu.be/WN-ZHOHmvcw

 

https://youtu.be/5AhjDwMXcR4

 

Courage's official music video has just reached 7 million views on YouTube while the official audio for Lying Down approaches 9 million. This is just a simple demonstration that the promotion of the Courage album was disastrous.

 

Fortunately, Think Twice or It's All Coming Back To Me Now were released in the 1990's because today they would certainly never be single or have music videos.

 

Excuse me for this outburst, I am simply disappointed with the carelessness in promoting an album that I consider one of Celine Dion best ones.

 

Let's just believe that the best is yet to come...

People are interested in LD. It would be a good move to now release the music video and make the song an official single. The song has almost as many views as the Imperfections music video.

[ryba]

Moreover, IMO Courage should not be a single and doesn't deserve a music video. I think it was only hyped because of the message that it stands for, because it was just right for what Celine was going through, but all in all it's a boring song - not the worst, but definitely not hit material. (Don't kill me for this, it's just how I see it). If they wanted to release it because of it's message, fine, then release it as a fire starter, but then follow up with something massive! Heart Of Glass or The Hard Way is pure single material, and yet these songs remain in the shadows. Edited January 3, 2021 at 01:25 PM by ryba

[PuraVida]

Moreover, IMO Courage should not be a single and doesn't deserve a music video. I think it was only hyped because of the message that it stands for, because it was just right for what Celine was going through, but all in all it's a boring song - not the worst, but definitely not hit material. (Don't kill me for this, it's just how I see it). If they wanted to release it because of it's message, fine, then release it as a fire starter, but then follow up with something massive! Heart Of Glass or The Hard Way is pure single material, and yet these songs remain in the shadows.

 

If it made sense as the album title (for her), then it made sense to do a music video and make it a lead single. I think it's a very powerful song, and it doesn't remind me of almost any of her other songs.

[PuraVida]

 

This must contains the fan-upload video

cause celine's VEVO has only small views every year

 

Yup, because there are so many official songs that are not on her official channel. Thus it gets left up to the fans.

[browseceline]

Let's pray for Larry King. Celine has been a guest in his show several times. He is currently in a hospital treated for corona..

 

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[ordinary fan]

I'm sure I've said it before, but Courage has zero skips for me. 'Lying Down' is easily one of her best English tracks ever. I can't pick my other favourites because they keep changing (though The Chase holds a special place in my heart ♥️). There's something I like about each and every song (e.g. I've recently fallen in love with her interpretation on Lovers Never Die). And (most of) the lyrics aren't super generic/cheesy for once, I could connect with so many of them, which is rare for me.

 

Courage is her only English album I can listen to as a whole.

I agree 100%

[weasley123]

 

 

If it made sense as the album title (for her), then it made sense to do a music video and make it a lead single. I think it's a very powerful song, and it doesn't remind me of almost any of her other songs.

 

Most of her first single/lead single from each album wasn’t the album title.

 

M: BB was the first single.

OH: IDAN was the first single.

TAST: IYA was the first single.

ATW: TTWII was the first single.

LTAL: TH was the first single.

TCOML: WIFIL was the first single.

CD: BATB was the first single.

U: ITWAOW was the first single.

 

French album:

SA: PAMP

D: ESNRQ

1F4T: TLDH

SSD: ZS

D: PQTME

DCP: DMQS

 

The point is, in today industry, the lead single should be the strongest song which has strongest appeal factor to general audience. The message alone is not enough to appeal general audience. For Courage album, there are a couple of songs that much stronger than Courage as the first single. The Hard Way, Heart of Glass, Change My Mind.

 

[PuraVida]

 

 

Most of her first single/lead single from each album wasn’t the album title.

 

M: BB was the first single.

OH: IDAN was the first single.

TAST: IYA was the first single.

ATW: TTWII was the first single.

LTAL: TH was the first single.

TCOML: WIFIL was the first single.

CD: BATB was the first single.

U: ITWAOW was the first single.

 

French album:

SA: PAMP

D: ESNRQ

1F4T: TLDH

SSD: ZS

D: PQTME

DCP: DMQS

 

The point is, in today industry, the lead single should be the strongest song which has strongest appeal factor to general audience. The message alone is not enough to appeal general audience. For Courage album, there are a couple of songs that much stronger than Courage as the first single. The Hard Way, Heart of Glass, Change My Mind.

 

The album title songs may not have been the lead single, but MANY of them were second or third singles. Which gets to my point, like the track symbolized something important and (imo) was a good song, so I can see why it would be released as a single.

 

Is it a rule that it has to be, especially when others are more popular? No, you’re right. But I think that song had special significance.

 

 

Courage the song is basically her English “encore un soir”

[weasley123]

The album title songs may not have been the lead single, but MANY of them were second or third singles. Which gets to my point, like the track symbolized something important and (imo) was a good song, so I can see why it would be released as a single.

 

Is it a rule that it has to be, especially when others are more popular? No, you're right. But I think that song had special significance.

 

 

Courage the song is basically her English "encore un soir"

 

In 90's, it's okay to choose a song which has significance and special message as first or lead single. Because somehow, second, third, or fourth single from the album always can find a way into the chart, and has the same (or even exceed) commercial impact as the previous single. But in today industry, most of singer choose the most commercial song as the first single. Commercial aspect is all about the momentum in industry today. So they need to make an impact as big as they can. So I don't think choose Courage as first/lead single was a smart decision. It has significance message, yes. But was it catchy? No. TBH, I stop to listen to it after a couple times. But until now, I can't get enough of HOG, THW, and LD. And also there was a fact that LD, a larger and more bombastic song and catchy, was supposed to be first single. Even my friend who don't care about Celine music said LD was a good song when I played the song (She thought it was Sia's song tho).

[PuraVida]

In 90's, it's okay to choose a song which has significance and special message as first or lead single. Because somehow, second, third, or fourth single from the album always can find a way into the chart, and has the same (or even exceed) commercial impact as the previous single. But in today industry, most of singer choose the most commercial song as the first single. Commercial aspect is all about the momentum in industry today. So they need to make an impact as big as they can. So I don't think choose Courage as first/lead single was a smart decision. It has significance message, yes. But was it catchy? No. TBH, I stop to listen to it after a couple times. But until now, I can't get enough of HOG, THW, and LD. And also there was a fact that LD, a larger and more bombastic song and catchy, was supposed to be first single. Even my friend who don't care about Celine music said LD was a good song when I played the song (She thought it was Sia's song tho).

 

According to Wikipedia, Courage was the 3rd single. Imperfections and Lying Down were before it.

 

We will never know their algorithms and decisions, sadly. But I think Courage was a monumental song that meant a lot to her and with the right music video, could have made a big impact. I personally feel the album/tour would be incomplete without the song

[Xpresso]

Courage, Imperfections and Lying Down were released on the same day as far as I can remember.

Wikipedia is never a good source.

[PuraVida]

Courage, Imperfections and Lying Down were released on the same day as far as I can remember.

Wikipedia is never a good source.

 

Yes, they were released on the same day. What I meant was that presumably they are still tiered in the official book-keeping of the music company. Imperfections was listed as #1 on Wikipedia, which as far as I know was not wrong about any of the other singles off her old albums , and probably that's why it did the best.

 

If they are all counted as the "first single", then like I said I still believe then that it made sense for her to title her album with it and make music video.

[smw]

I've been reflecting on how hungry we all were for ANY new information about this English album.

 

The song titles, the songwriters, etc. Any little tidbit we discovered was so exciting, and we devoured / dissected it all.

 

And now we finally have this beautiful album. The very first album where Celine called all the shots. I love how Celine took her time crafting it from 2016 - 2019, during such a transformative time in her life. She showcases so many different sides of herself and her voice on Courage.

 

While I personally crave perfection when it comes to Celine's vocals, I can still respect the rawness and grit and imperfections that she demonstrates on this album. She's making a statement. And there are still plenty of gorgeous moments too.

Edited January 4, 2021 at 10:17 PM by smw

[smw]

[Chantemoi]

 

I can only see Marc LaBreche now...

 

[smw]

 

 

I can only see Marc LaBreche now...

 

Too good! 🤣

[JulienMcbeal]

Why debating about the first single or which one would have had the most impact when Celine and her team have obviously ZERO interest in making a hit, so why bother looking for the best commercially charting "first single"?

Which, by all means, would commercially fail anyway.

So they chose to release three songs that showcase different aspects of the album. That makes sense considering her status and "hit" expectations.

 

PS: but yes, a LD video to be released now would still be nice.

Edited January 5, 2021 at 12:33 PM by JulienMcbeal

[ryba]

Why debating about the first single or which one would have had the most impact when Celine and her team have obviously ZERO interest in making a hit, so why bother looking for the best commercially charting "first single"?

Which, by all means, would commercially fail anyway.

So they chose to release three songs that showcase different aspects of the album. That makes sense considering her status and "hit" expectations.

 

PS: but yes, a LD video to be released now would still be nice.

they could release the LD video and use the current momentum of the guy who named himself after her and capitalise on this, make her appear on tv shows using that story while simultaneously promoting LD. But with her and her team it’s always „coulda woulda shoulda, but I didn’t do that“ Edited January 5, 2021 at 02:49 PM by ryba

[ryba]

Lying Down reached 8,8 million views on YouTube!

[garyhollander]

I was referencing both projects she might want (yes marketing stunts do happen) but also stuff she is working on...things that may be worked on sometimes get all the way to release, sometimes not.

 

It's still good practice to keep fans informed. Fans can take it. Why would fans trash her for something not coming to fruition? Often times, the circumstances are natural, normal, out of the artist's control.

I think you might have skipped then on this forum when Play me like a love song was not released or LD music video and they still are or that she does not do enough promotion etc etc list goes on and on? that she is failing fans and that her heart is not into it anymore and that she has abandoned fans and stuff not enough proof?

[garyhollander]

Moreover, IMO Courage should not be a single and doesn't deserve a music video. I think it was only hyped because of the message that it stands for, because it was just right for what Celine was going through, but all in all it's a boring song - not the worst, but definitely not hit material. (Don't kill me for this, it's just how I see it). If they wanted to release it because of it's message, fine, then release it as a fire starter, but then follow up with something massive! Heart Of Glass or The Hard Way is pure single material, and yet these songs remain in the shadows.

Courage is one of the most beaitiful songs she has in her repertoir I am happy your not her rep cause I would be so pissed if they didnt release it as a single... Because it's not as popular as the other two it will have much more meaning in peoples lives and be a deeper connected soing for many than lying down and imperfections combined... Only reason Imperfections is het most succesful is because it has a beat and the lyrics resonate with these times but in anyways its one of her masterpieces. Once more she is not looking for hits like mariah to be number one otherwise her whole promotion would have been different.. when is that going to finally resonate with fans she is doing this because she loves to it.

[PuraVida]

I think you might have skipped then on this forum when Play me like a love song was not released or LD music video and they still are or that she does not do enough promotion etc etc list goes on and on? that she is failing fans and that her heart is not into it anymore and that she has abandoned fans and stuff not enough proof?

 

Play Me Like A Love Song was not ever mentioned by Celine. There was a leak.

 

I am talking specifically about Celine mentioning and keeping us informed of projects herself. Not about the incompetence of her team, which is also true.

[Shamrock_1982]

I wish Diane would hurry up and drop Celine’s new song from her album

[ryba]

I wish Diane would hurry up and drop Celine’s new song from her album

when is she officially releasing that album?

[Shamrock_1982]

She said early 2021