"Courage" album - Official Topic

[weasley123]

Happy to see her team celebrate Imperfections!

 

It would be so fantastic if Celine & her team release something big on the one year anniversary of the Courage album. They could tease us and get some buzz going by saying “big surprise coming soon...”

 

Lying Down really is such a powerful song so I think they should finally release the music video. It’s the easiest and most obvious gift they could give us. The official audio has gotten decent views and people are incredibly complimentary of the song in the comments. I think the actual music video would get a lot of views.

 

 

This album deserves more big moments. Her team needs to get more passionate and get to planning. They could even really blow our socks off and release a duet version of For The Lover That I Lost with Sam Smith.

 

We need someone in Celine’s team poking her / nudging her / inspiring her and coming with big, fresh ideas. They need to expand their focus beyond the world tour.

 

As much as I love the ideas, the ship has sailed a long time ago. If they had will to release any of those things, they already did it a long time ago. But no, they didn’t. They never care.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Money doesn't equal happiness, of course. However, in the case of having something like bi-polar disorder or cancer or any other ailment, having money makes the problem a whole lot easier. Being a celebrity even more so. Tons of people have these illness yet don't have health insurance or can't pay for what the health insurance companies don't cover. None of these celebrities have that problem.

 

Edited to add: I have mental health disorders myself - three of them. And I wish I had even an eighth of the amount of money those celebrities had to use to help fight it.

 

Of course...nobody is denying that resources are more abundant. I was merely stating that Mariah went 48 years undiagnosed. That is significant enough to present hardships in her life. The above mentioned celebrities all ended up killing themselves because they couldn’t defeat their demons. They may have resources at their fingertips, but unfortunately they sometimes are not a remedy. Having money and fame does not make anyone’s struggles less significant than our own. Also, someone with a platform like Mariah could be a blessing for someone else. Someone famous, taking the reigns and speaking about their hardships. People look up to her, and if she helps even one person it’s amazing. We didn’t chastise Celine for speaking out about her infertility because she has the money and the means to keep trying to get pregnant. Ironically she helped Mariah through that as well.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Of course...nobody is denying that resources are more abundant. I was merely stating that Mariah went 48 years undiagnosed. That is significant enough to present hardships in her life. The above mentioned celebrities all ended up killing themselves because they couldn’t defeat their demons. They may have resources at their fingertips, but unfortunately they sometimes are not a remedy. Having money and fame does not make anyone’s struggles less significant than our own. Also, someone with a platform like Mariah could be a blessing for someone else. Someone famous, taking the reigns and speaking about their hardships. People look up to her, and if she helps even one person it’s amazing. We didn’t chastise Celine for speaking out about her infertility because she has the money and the means to keep trying to get pregnant. Ironically she helped Mariah through that as well.

 

Very well said.

[celinesounds]

We can make big things happen ourselves.

 

Mariah fans chose a date to buy her album Caution. They all bought it on same day and it topped the iTunes chart. They also created the hashtag #justiceforcaution which became a trending hashtag and inspired a lot more fans to buy the album that day.

 

Olivia Newton-John fans did the same thing for her Xanadu album.

 

If ONJ fans can do it, we can too!! Let's choose a date, create a hashtag, and get Courage back to #1 on iTunes!

 

Maybe then we'll inspire Celine & her team to release some rare goodies.

 

 

Many times i have asked for Unison anniversary edition, and nothing

[jpatdeleon09]

More colored version of BTS of Imperfections

 

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[Chantemoi]

Ever since the Red Heads made that post, this song’s been in my head. I wonder if something’s going to happen with it.

 

 

I hope so. It’s my favourite song from the album, and it’s repetitive enough to get radio play as a single

[Jeanette]

jesus christ of ladder day saints - is this the "CELINE DION FORUM" or the "MARIAH CAREY FORUM"?????? just asking for a friend lollllll... because i see almost EVERY OTHER POST IS ABOUT MARIAH CAREY on this forum lately!!!!!! i thought maybe i stumbled onto the WRONG FORUM LOL HAHA!! 😂😄

 

 

You’re right about it being tiresome reading all about Mariah Carey and comparing her to Celine constantly. Who cares what Mariah’s doing, she’s just an attention seeker, whereas Celine doesn’t need it. However, the most exhausting thing on this forum of late is reading or in my case scrolling past your posts. Honestly, please don’t think me rude as that’s not my intention, I actually feel for you wasting all that time typing such huge posts that I bet most people don’t have the time or energy to read. Perhaps, if you could get your point across in shorter posts and without the unnecessary use of caps the whole time, we’d actually value your point.

 

Again this is meant with the upmost respect and I know I’m certainly not the first to say this.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Of course...nobody is denying that resources are more abundant. I was merely stating that Mariah went 48 years undiagnosed. That is significant enough to present hardships in her life. The above mentioned celebrities all ended up killing themselves because they couldn't defeat their demons. They may have resources at their fingertips, but unfortunately they sometimes are not a remedy. Having money and fame does not make anyone's struggles less significant than our own. Also, someone with a platform like Mariah could be a blessing for someone else. Someone famous, taking the reigns and speaking about their hardships. People look up to her, and if she helps even one person it's amazing. We didn't chastise Celine for speaking out about her infertility because she has the money and the means to keep trying to get pregnant. Ironically she helped Mariah through that as well.

 

Two things from my POV:

1) The celebrities who overdosed clearly used drugs and alcohol to dull their pain. What's frustrating for me, as someone who suffers from mental illness, is that's what those of us with little money have to use. My psychiatrist is $450 for a 5 min visit. My therapist $200 for a 45 min visit. This isn't doable for me. I have to scrape together the money for the psychiatrist because he's a doctor and that's how I get the medication. I have to forgo the talk therapy because it's more expensive in the long run - every week as opposed to every 3 months for the psychiatrist. These celebrities who used drugs and overdosed easily had the money to see psychiatrists and therapists to handle their demons but they chose the alcohol and drugs instead.

 

2) My issue isn't that Mariah is speaking out about this...it's that she's doing so in order to sell her book and make money. When Celine spoke out about her infertility, she was just sharing. She wasn't selling anything.

 

That's my two cents on this issue. Go watch the CBS Sunday Morning interview. To me, Mariah came across as simply using her pain as a way to sell her book. It didn't come across as honest or to make people learn something or to help others. It was to make herself more money.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Two things from my POV:

1) The celebrities who overdosed clearly used drugs and alcohol to dull their pain. What's frustrating for me, as someone who suffers from mental illness, is that's what those of us with little money have to use. My psychiatrist is $450 for a 5 min visit. My therapist $200 for a 45 min visit. This isn't doable for me. I have to scrape together the money for the psychiatrist because he's a doctor and that's how I get the medication. I have to forgo the talk therapy because it's more expensive in the long run - every week as opposed to every 3 months for the psychiatrist. These celebrities who used drugs and overdosed easily had the money to see psychiatrists and therapists to handle their demons but they chose the alcohol and drugs instead.

 

2) My issue isn't that Mariah is speaking out about this...it's that she's doing so in order to sell her book and make money. When Celine spoke out about her infertility, she was just sharing. She wasn't selling anything.

 

That's my two cents on this issue. Go watch the CBS Sunday Morning interview. To me, Mariah came across as simply using her pain as a way to sell her book. It didn't come across as honest or to make people learn something or to help others. It was to make herself more money.

 

#2. I agree in this part. Like releasing the same time with the new album. For sure, to help with the sales for the new album. I mean, not bad. Wise decision.

[smw]

 

 

I hope so. It’s my favourite song from the album, and it’s repetitive enough to get radio play as a single

 

Yes, Baby is a great song! Not my personal favorite on the album but I think it would get a lot of attention if they made a music video for it. The Sia fans would show up for it. I also remember RuPaul listed it as one of his favorites.

 

Just for fun, here’s RuPaul’s personal playlist featuring his favorite Courage tracks:

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 at 06:33 PM by smw

[beelee]

This is not Courage related, but Rufus Wainwright is letting his fans vote for which song to cover during his upcoming shows. Ziggy is listed as an option. Go vote here:

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScz0B03Qo0ARLalK1rCvqXMRljWHamJ5qFxBjIkAXM3U5xWZg/viewform?gxids=7628

[PuraVida]

So I got a free Audible subscription to listen to Mariah's new book and I went straight to the part about Divas Live 1998. Mariah still says her same old stuff, but she doesn't dare to mention Celine by name. Instead she says "one of the divas" hahahah.

 

Mariah calls Celine's behavior "sheer lunacy" and maybe "a culture gap" and that Celine went "too far" and implied Celine lacked respect that night. She told the story to Patti Labelle and she called it a "hoe-down"

Edited September 29, 2020 at 12:05 PM by PuraVida

[ryba]

So I got a free Audible subscription to listen to Mariah's new book and I went straight to the part about Divas Live 1998. Mariah still says her same old stuff, but she doesn't dare to mention Celine by name. Instead she says "one of the divas" hahahah.

 

Mariah calls Celine's behavior "sheer lunacy" and maybe "a culture gap" and that Celine went "too far" and implied Celine lacked respect that night. She told the story to Patti Labelle and she called it a "hoe-down"

After that Celine won’t talk to her again when they are in the same recording studios Lol

 

Seriously, why the hell is Mariah still drumming this up? It’s just her opinion, and Celine did what she was supposed to do that night: sing like a diva. The show was called Divas live, not Aretha Franklin and her backup singers. It’s just Mariah that wrote her very own scenario here.

Edited September 29, 2020 at 12:32 PM by ryba

[PuraVida]

After that Celine won't talk to her again when they are in the same recording studios Lol

 

All of the words I quoted weren't said with a totally malicious tone, and were spread out over a few paragraphs, but they were still said! She clearly is still so defensive about that moment.

 

I don't think she mentioned Celine anywhere else in the book but I'm not sure.

[A new day...]

This last picture they shared really striked me and I decided to make an alternative cover for Courage.

It looks like Celine is rising from ashes and about to take flight. I absolutely love it.

 

Here it is:

[jpatdeleon09]

It’s called Jealous to the highest level.. Sorry, but if Céline is part of the group you won’t get the climax/high part. WAHAHAHA

 

Even the bitter Mariah fans keeps on defending Mariah on Divas Live Natural Woman video. Like they’re need to prove that she can do the highs. Haha

[PuraVida]

It’s called Jealous to the highest level.. Sorry, but if Céline is part of the group you won’t get the climax/high part. WAHAHAHA

 

Even the bitter Mariah fans keeps on defending Mariah on Divas Live Natural Woman video. Like they’re need to prove that she can do the highs. Haha

 

I'm just happy that people who are reading the book will look up the performance on Youtube and see for themselves how great Celine did hehe

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Two things from my POV:

1) The celebrities who overdosed clearly used drugs and alcohol to dull their pain. What's frustrating for me, as someone who suffers from mental illness, is that's what those of us with little money have to use. My psychiatrist is $450 for a 5 min visit. My therapist $200 for a 45 min visit. This isn't doable for me. I have to scrape together the money for the psychiatrist because he's a doctor and that's how I get the medication. I have to forgo the talk therapy because it's more expensive in the long run - every week as opposed to every 3 months for the psychiatrist. These celebrities who used drugs and overdosed easily had the money to see psychiatrists and therapists to handle their demons but they chose the alcohol and drugs instead.

 

2) My issue isn't that Mariah is speaking out about this...it's that she's doing so in order to sell her book and make money. When Celine spoke out about her infertility, she was just sharing. She wasn't selling anything.

 

That's my two cents on this issue. Go watch the CBS Sunday Morning interview. To me, Mariah came across as simply using her pain as a way to sell her book. It didn't come across as honest or to make people learn something or to help others. It was to make herself more money.

 

 

I can see some of your point on #2, but there are plenty of people who are not rich and use alcohol and drugs to numb their pain...and end up succumbing to those things. Some people feel that they have nowhere to turn but drugs and alcohol. For some, they feel drugs and alcohol is a less expensive form of therapy. My point is, you can’t judge someone’s mental state because of their money. Mental illness does not discriminate based on someone’s wallet.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I can see some of your point on #2, but there are plenty of people who are not rich and use alcohol and drugs to numb their pain...and end up succumbing to those things. Some people feel that they have nowhere to turn but drugs and alcohol. For some, they feel drugs and alcohol is a less expensive form of therapy. My point is, you can't judge someone's mental state because of their money. Mental illness does not discriminate based on someone's wallet.

 

You're completely missing my point and what I'm trying to say. I'm mentally ill. I had to use drugs and alcohol because for many years I couldn't afford medication. Having lots of money in your wallet means you can much more easily turn to psychiatrists and therapists and not have to use the drugs and alcohol. But they did it anyway. It's a slap in the face to those of who would KILL to have the money they do so as not to use the drugs and the alcohol. If you don't have mental illness yourself, I don't know that it's possible for me to help you understand where I'm coming from on this issue. Rather than derail this thread further, just PM if you want to continue to discuss it.

[comingback]

After that Celine won’t talk to her again when they are in the same recording studios Lol

 

Seriously, why the hell is Mariah still drumming this up? It’s just her opinion, and Celine did what she was supposed to do that night: sing like a diva. The show was called Divas live, not Aretha Franklin and her backup singers. It’s just Mariah that wrote her very own scenario here.

It’s called Jealous to the highest level.. Sorry, but if Céline is part of the group you won’t get the climax/high part. WAHAHAHA

 

Even the bitter Mariah fans keeps on defending Mariah on Divas Live Natural Woman video. Like they’re need to prove that she can do the highs. Haha

 

Right. Which Diva was booked first

[Ajax]

 

 

You're completely missing my point and what I'm trying to say. I'm mentally ill. I had to use drugs and alcohol because for many years I couldn't afford medication. Having lots of money in your wallet means you can much more easily turn to psychiatrists and therapists and not have to use the drugs and alcohol. But they did it anyway. It's a slap in the face to those of who would KILL to have the money they do so as not to use the drugs and the alcohol. If you don't have mental illness yourself, I don't know that it's possible for me to help you understand where I'm coming from on this issue. Rather than derail this thread further, just PM if you want to continue to discuss it.

And would you blame those rich people for that, because they had the « choice » ? At the end of the day that is just another demonstration that being rich does not necessarily help in case of mental illness. Even worst it can be the trigger.

 

[smw]

So I got a free Audible subscription to listen to Mariah's new book and I went straight to the part about Divas Live 1998. Mariah still says her same old stuff, but she doesn't dare to mention Celine by name. Instead she says "one of the divas" hahahah.

 

Mariah calls Celine's behavior "sheer lunacy" and maybe "a culture gap" and that Celine went "too far" and implied Celine lacked respect that night. She told the story to Patti Labelle and she called it a "hoe-down"

 

I’m gonna have to look into this. I don’t appreciate pettiness / jealousy from Mariah because it trickles down to her fan base.

 

I found this:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/themuse.jezebel.com/which-of-these-fellow-divas-does-mariah-carey-accuse-of-1845214900/amp

Edited September 29, 2020 at 06:09 PM by smw

[Ajax]

After that Celine won’t talk to her again when they are in the same recording studios Lol

 

Seriously, why the hell is Mariah still drumming this up? It’s just her opinion, and Celine did what she was supposed to do that night: sing like a diva. The show was called Divas live, not Aretha Franklin and her backup singers. It’s just Mariah that wrote her very own scenario here.

 

That is ridiculous. she is clearly looking more and more desperate each time. This whole concept of humility beyond that is just stupid and does not make any sense.

Thank god Celine offered this True moment of spontaneity, joy and musical sharing, a true and rare live happening. That was one of the highlights of the show and it installed her a bit more to the public eye as a stage vocal beast.

[Chantemoi]

Anyone listen to Courage lately?

[smw]

Anyone listen to Courage lately?

 

Yes! But this Mariah book stuff is just too juicy!!!

[ryba]

Celine used the platform she had to showcase her talent. What’s wrong with that? Aretha was constantly singing over everybody, and apparently that was ok and not rude... Mariahs point is just very ridiculous Edited September 29, 2020 at 06:24 PM by ryba

[ryba]

Yes! But this Mariah book stuff is just too juicy!!!

really? Could you share some insights?

[Ajax]

 

 

I’m gonna have to look into this. I don’t appreciate pettiness / jealousy from Mariah because it trickles down to her fan base.

 

I found this:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/themuse.jezebel.com/which-of-these-fellow-divas-does-mariah-carey-accuse-of-1845214900/amp

 

Thank you ! I didn’t remember Carole explanation and feedback.

What she says is so right.

[comingback]

So I got a free Audible subscription to listen to Mariah's new book and I went straight to the part about Divas Live 1998. Mariah still says her same old stuff, but she doesn't dare to mention Celine by name. Instead she says "one of the divas" hahahah.

 

Mariah calls Celine's behavior "sheer lunacy" and maybe "a culture gap" and that Celine went "too far" and implied Celine lacked respect that night. She told the story to Patti Labelle and she called it a "hoe-down"

It’s called Jealous to the highest level.. Sorry, but if Céline is part of the group you won’t get the climax/high part. WAHAHAHA

 

Even the bitter Mariah fans keeps on defending Mariah on Divas Live Natural Woman video. Like they’re need to prove that she can do the highs. Haha

 

 

Right, Celine was the first Diva who was booked for the Divas show, she had a No 1 song and album at that time. Mariah also complained that Celine's picture (outside of the theater) was bigger than hers.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLDKlUMcPi0

 

Edited September 29, 2020 at 06:28 PM by comingback

[joaofilho]

I think Mariah was a little jealous of Celine that day. I don't understand why she remembers this story, Aretha was so thick with the participants, she didn't want to rehearse, they don't talk about it.