"Courage" album - Official Topic

[jpatdeleon09]

The way they recorded Céline's vocals on that song. IS SO BAD. The quality is not good.

[stevo]

The trivia quizzes are cringe and need to stop. Are Nelson & Eddy coming up with the questions?! Just be silent if there’s nothing happening. That’s fine.

[Xpresso]

Well by asking how many times she sings Courage in the song, people need to stream the song again... It's all about streaming remember?

[jpatdeleon09]

Well by asking how many times she sings Courage in the song, people need to stream the song again... It's all about streaming remember?

 

I answered 3 lol I'm wrong

[Céline RO]

The way they recorded Céline's vocals on that song. IS SO BAD. The quality is not good.

 

It’s not about how they recorded it, it’s about how Céline is singing it. It’s her fault, not the producers’.

[A new day...]

I'm still dreaming of a special edition including the oh so awaited 'Play me like a love song' but hey, one can't deny how fun it is to count the times Celine says courage instead.

[Xpresso]

I answered 3 lol I'm wrong

Stream it again!$$$

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

It’s not about how they recorded it, it’s about how Céline is singing it. It’s her fault, not the producers’.

 

It’s also the sound quality of her voice. That way they recorded it. Not good.

 

This is the only song from the album that her voice is different. I hear hiss and they edit it like an old vocal filter/effect.

Edited September 21, 2020 at 10:04 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Chantemoi]

I hear a brittle, tinny texture to her voice a lot on this album. “Best of All” is another one I notice all the time. Sounds like she’s singing into a tin can.

Regardless of that, I love both of those songs.

[Nmj]

The trivia quizzes are cringe and need to stop. Are Nelson & Eddy coming up with the questions?! Just be silent if there’s nothing happening. That’s fine.

 

 

My favorite part is that after three questions that a 2nd grader could have wrote they asked if we “liked it”. Hell No.

 

Running a social media page isn’t that hard, they act like it’s so hard! :Smh:

[mirage]

A few weeks ago they 'asked' us if we would love to see more of these trivia games.

 

Guess what the outcome was...

 

Apparently the majority LOVES it.

But I guess those are also the people who feel she is on a deserved break.

 

Well, it was supposed to be a very busy year for her, massive world tour and all.

I understand she takes her time off now, but doing absolutely nothing while you were supposed to be seen everywhere isn't helping.

 

And as long as people get excited about trivia games (4 questions and that's it) we will get trivia games.

 

 

 

 

My favorite part is that after three questions that a 2nd grader could have wrote they asked if we “liked it”. Hell No.

 

Running a social media page isn’t that hard, they act like it’s so hard! :Smh:

Edited September 22, 2020 at 12:05 PM by mirage

[couldawouldashoulda]

As to the above post....yes...that's what this board has to realize. The members on this forum are a teeny tiny itsy bitsy section of Celine Dion fandom. And usually, the feelings here go against what the majority of fandom feels. The die-hards are about 5% of Celine's fanbase. That's what you see Greatest Hits Tours, quizzes, DVD's released, no videos from home...they're just not necessary.

[SlovakClark]

I see a lot of people here undervalue Madonna's incredible career.

I wonder if that's something to do about American vs European perception of her, because here in Europe nobody has ever been bigger, probably not even Michael Jackson.

 

Let's see how many hit songs well known by general public Celine and Madonna had after year 2000 in Europe (after their major releases LTAL vs RayOfLight in 90):

 

Madonna:

 

American Pie, Music, Don't Tell Me, Die Another Day, American Life, Hollywood, Love Profusion, Me Against The Music, Hung Up, Sorry, Get Together, Jump, 4 Minutes, Give It To Me, Miles Away, Celebration

(last big hit in 2009 at the age of 51) ...

 

Only in 2012 she started getting less popular with her album MDNA, yet she still managed to pull two decent hit songs played by radios-

 

Gimme All Your Luvin' and Girl Gone Wild.

 

2015 album Rebel Heart was her first ever release being mostly ignored by popular radio stations.

 

She was 57!

 

Celine:

 

A New Day Has Come, I'm Alive, Goodbyes The Saddest World, I Drove All Night

(last big hit in 2003 when she was 35),

 

"One Heart" was a decent runner and "You and I" honorable mention

 

2007 album Taking Chances was the first time she was mostly ignored by radio stations.

 

She was 39.

 

Just to set the record straight, I've never been a Madonna fan, don't own her records, but I started appreciate her after I learned many of her fans don't hold anything than respect and love towards Celine. We should do the same, no matter what we think about her crazy social media presence. Not everybody enjoys Celine's fashion frenzy either.

 

PS: making this post was fun for me, pls don't judge me

 

At the end of the day I take Celine as she is and will love her until the end of world.

 

 

 

Btw that kinda sucks that "For the Lover that I Lost" is also on new Sam Smith album. I wonder if it's gonna be known as Celine's original song or a cover?

[manu23]

I don't think people have undervalue Madonna here. Madonna has sold more records than Celine, that's a fact and her impact in music industry is irrefutable. She has always tried hard to stay relevant collaborating with younger artists and that of course has helped her songs to have more radio support. But it is unfair towards Celine to compare both careers only in terms of singles performance. Celine has never been a strong single artist, even at her peak. Sony focus was always on albums. Taking Chances outsold Hard Candy, LMBTL outsold MDNA, even Sans Attendre outsold Rebel Heart and Courage has also outsold Madame X. Celine has also now surpassed Madonna as the top touring female artist.

 

Celine chose a totally different path after ANDHC. She could have done like Madonna or Mariah, chasing hits and relevance. We don't know if Celine would have had radio hits if she has chosen that way, but we know that right now her career is at much better place than the other two. Celine will have a career for as long as she wants. If she takes care of her voice and she is in good health I don't see why she can't be releasing albums or doing concerts for 20-30 more years. Barbra does it. But with Madonna I don't see that happening.

[Xpresso]

Let's see how many hit songs well known by general public Celine and Madonna had after year 2000 in Europe (after their major releases LTAL vs RayOfLight in 90):

 

Madonna:

 

American Pie, Music, Don't Tell Me, Die Another Day, American Life, Hollywood, Love Profusion, Me Against The Music, Hung Up, Sorry, Get Together, Jump, 4 Minutes, Give It To Me, Miles Away, Celebration

(last big hit in 2009 at the age of 51) ...

 

Only in 2012 she started getting less popular with her album MDNA, yet she still managed to pull two decent hit songs played by radios-

 

Gimme All Your Luvin' and Girl Gone Wild.

 

 

I don't think the general public knows all those Madonna songs. Fans yes, but the general public, I doubt it.

[smw]

I don't think people have undervalue Madonna here. Madonna has sold more records than Celine, that's a fact and her impact in music industry is irrefutable. She has always tried hard to stay relevant collaborating with younger artists and that of course has helped her songs to have more radio support. But it is unfair towards Celine to compare both careers only in terms of singles performance. Celine has never been a strong single artist, even at her peak. Sony focus was always on albums. Taking Chances outsold Hard Candy, LMBTL outsold MDNA, even Sans Attendre outsold Rebel Heart and Courage has also outsold Madame X. Celine has also now surpassed Madonna as the top touring female artist.

 

Celine chose a totally different path after ANDHC. She could have done like Madonna or Mariah, chasing hits and relevance. We don't know if Celine would have had radio hits if she has chosen that way, but we know that right now her career is at much better place than the other two. Celine will have a career for as long as she wants. If she takes care of her voice and she is in good health I don't see why she can't be releasing albums or doing concerts for 20-30 more years. Barbra does it. But with Madonna I don't see that happening.

 

What an amazing accomplishment for Celine — to be the top touring female artist. Celine & Rene made fantastic decisions along the way as they built her enormous career, and the way she continues to sell out venues is proof of that. I completely agree — radio singles is just one piece of the overall picture of a career.

 

Madonna might’ve had more singles on the radio, but Celine had a Colosseum built for her and revamped Vegas forever.

 

& I really like Madonna too!

 

Edited September 22, 2020 at 06:17 PM by smw

[Ukrfan]

Celine has also now surpassed Madonna as the top touring female artist.

 

 

Well that is only because Celine had two recidencies with over 1,000 concerts in total. She is still FAR beyond Madonna in terms of gross per concert.

 

In fact, Madonna grossed more in one year with Sticky & Sweet Tour than Celine did in 4.5 year with A New Day, with 8 times fewer shows.

 

What I love about Madonna is that she has a different era all the time, and there's so much to remember.

 

I go to Madame X era and see her beautiful music videos, interesting performances (every day on Ellen!), and soon a new tour video. I go to Courage era... and see only Imperfections video (I don't consider Courage one, sorry).

 

I go to Rebel Heart era, and again: music videos, great performances (especially the one with Taylor Swift), extraodinary concert tour... I have nothing to go back to Encore en Soir era. No music videos, no tour (none of the three ones, actually).

 

I go to MDNA era, and again and again. Loved me Back to WHAT?... Oh, thank you so much for that video with Ne-Yo. Worst song on the album. No video for the title track (oh there is a live one... haha ).

 

The last true era we had was TC era. Numerous promotion performances, a real music video (though only one, and I still cant get over Eyes on Me ...), two DVDs with the concerts, ultimate behind-the-scenes material Round stage, dancers, costumers, new style... Beautiful time! :wub:

[manolo19]

Why isn't Celine nominated for top touring artist for the billboard awards?

[couldawouldashoulda]

I don't think the general public knows all those Madonna songs. Fans yes, but the general public, I doubt it.

 

Yeah - I don't know any of those songs listed in the post you quoted. I know Like a Virgin, Papa Don't Preach, Express Yourself, Vogue, La Isla Bonita, Ray of Light, Material Girl. I wasn't even aware Madonna was releasing new music. Last I heard anything about her was the early aughts.

[manolo19]

I thought she was the second highest grossing tour mid 2020 but the nominees are Ed Sheran,The Rolling Stones, Pink, Metallica and Elthon John. C'mon it's the only kind of award a veteran artist can get ...why isn't she nominated ?

[Xpresso]

I thought she was the second highest grossing tour mid 2020 but the nominees are Ed Sheran,The Rolling Stones, Pink, Metallica and Elthon John. C'mon it's the only kind of award a veteran artist can get ...why isn't she nominated ?

Probably mid-year vs. full year numbers... I wonder.

[Shamrock_1982]

It’s so rubbish it’s not worth a nomination.

 

I’m still hoping that the first leg was actually being treated as a mini tour as the U.S/ Canada missed out on those in recent years and the next leg will be more of a world tour standard when it comes to Europe.

 

I’m not holding my breathe anymore though when it comes to her team and who ever is helping her make these decisions.

 

Here’s hoping that during her dancing, picking apples and getting a suntan on her face that she’s doing zoom interviews for a new manager

[alexceline]

I thought she was the second highest grossing tour mid 2020 but the nominees are Ed Sheran,The Rolling Stones, Pink, Metallica and Elthon John. C'mon it's the only kind of award a veteran artist can get ...why isn't she nominated ?

 

The nominations are based on 2019 numbers. If you check the 2019 year end touring bb list, these were the top artists.They don't nominate the same year's tours because (in normal years) the year has quite a few full months more before it ends. Celine will be nominated next year. She's the second highest grossing artist on the mid year list right behind Elton John.

Edited September 22, 2020 at 07:42 PM by alexceline

[Céline RO]

I don't think the general public knows all those Madonna songs. Fans yes, but the general public, I doubt it.

 

As a member of the “general public”, I confirm.

[Holborn]

I see a lot of people here undervalue Madonna's incredible career.

I wonder if that's something to do about American vs European perception of her, because here in Europe nobody has ever been bigger, probably not even Michael Jackson.

 

Except the usual haters that every artist has, i don't think anyone in their right mind ever doubted the success of Madonna or undervalued her one of a kind career and impact.

 

I don't know all these songs you mentioned but i know by heart 8 of them and i was never a fan of hers. Likewise i know way more Celine songs from those you mentioned (except GITSW which i never heard in my life previously..) and again i wasn't a fan of hers either back then. Both Madonna and Celine had huge radio play in my country and even LMBTL was being played on the radio back then. Hell, i even knew EUS somehow although i had no idea it was hers. To sum it up, each country is different and the success of an artist is going to vary, just like our perception of his/hers longevity. On a WW scale Madonna will rule supreme till the end of the days but comparing their careers is kinda pointless and bit unfair imo. Their only similarities are being among the best selling female artists and top live performing female artists.

 

Well that is only because Celine had two recidencies with over 1,000 concerts in total. She is still FAR beyond Madonna in terms of gross per concert.

 

In fact, Madonna grossed more in one year with Sticky & Sweet Tour than Celine did in 4.5 year with A New Day, with 8 times fewer shows.

 

Which is logical since one was bound to perform for 4k people.. but that doesn't take away Celine's achievement. In the end i find it admirable and insane that she has managed to perform this ridiculous amount of shows and made people keep coming to see her. She will go down as the female artist with the most live performances and most sold out shows, the one that managed to stay the longest, gross the most and change the live entertainment industry by bringing back residencies. Madonna is indeed the highest grossing 'tour' act, Celine is the highest grossing live act, so they both win and everyone is happy.

[Shamrock_1982]

Slightly off topic, but 90's pop group Steps, (featuring Claire Richards who supported Celine at Hyde Park), have just released their new song written and produced by Sia.

 

It's a shame that Sia never offered it to Celine as its better than anything she gave her on Courage and the theme of the song would have fitted the loose concept of the album so well.

 

I'd love for Celine to do a song like this with all the choreography too. I can't remember the last time that Celine actually did proper choreography, (probably TCWT?). Also, Claire (pink hair in the video) has a very similar singing style to Celine so its quite easy to imagine how it would sound.

 

What do you think?

 

https://youtu.be/X5dMSAVaORY

 

This is mad... I’m just back from food shopping and although I knew she lived just outside of London like myself I never knew she shopped in the same food store as me!

I’m taking about Clare from steps.

 

Not a massive fan of steps but they had a few bangers over the years and I loved hearing her solo take of “deeper shade of blue” when she opened for Celine last summer.

She was dressed down obviously but her pink hair gave her away lol and I just said hi as I past her in the carpark and she said hiya and we walked past each other.

 

And others in the car park were looking at her as they obviously clocked her.

Must be horrible being famous too that you can’t do your weekly shop without being noticed.

 

But yeah their new song is terrible and the dance routine is worse lol.

Let’s hope the rest of the album is better, but then again they are signed to Sony too so I wouldn’t hold out much hope judging on recent events! Lol

 

Never know who you will meet round here when shopping... Eastenders cast members, JLS members, singers/models from the 80’s...

 

Back on topic it would be so easy for Celine & Sam to do this duet as it’s been recorded by both of them and it may take one of them to re record in a different key and film them either separate in similar studios, together but socially distanced or with neither of them in the video.

 

So her team have another option served on a silver platter here but they will probably just give us another trivia and drop the French album that they promote the arse out of as usual!

Edited September 22, 2020 at 09:04 PM by Shamrock_1982

[manolo19]

The nominations are based on 2019 numbers. If you check the 2019 year end touring bb list, these were the top artists.They don't nominate the same year's tours because (in normal years) the year has quite a few full months more before it ends. Celine will be nominated next year. She's the second highest grossing artist on the mid year list right behind Elton John.

 

That's what I was hoping for, thank you.

[Xpresso]

 

So her team have another option served on a silver platter here but they will probably just give us another trivia and drop the French album that they promote the arse out of as usual!

I think it's Sony France that is really good at pushing the envelope and promoting her French albums. They seem to do a better job than Sony US and Sony UK. Even the distribution of physical albums seems to be extremely well executed in France... which really helps Celine.

[Chantemoi]

 

I think it's Sony France that is really good at pushing the envelope and promoting her French albums. They seem to do a better job than Sony US and Sony UK. Even the distribution of physical albums seems to be extremely well executed in France... which really helps Celine.

 

Could be... she’s more indispensable to French culture than American culture, for sure.

[Davey84]

I think it's Sony France that is really good at pushing the envelope and promoting her French albums. They seem to do a better job than Sony US and Sony UK. Even the distribution of physical albums seems to be extremely well executed in France... which really helps Celine.

 

But again, see what she does there; a TV special just for her, or performing in different tv shows... That's what helps an album the most: perform the damn songs in front of a large TV audience!! I still don't get why Céline hasn't performed in one single early talk show or late show.. even Ellen for heaven sakes. Imagine if she still had Oprah... then at least there would have been good promotion for Courage.