"Courage" album - Official Topic

[JoshRafa21]

Mariah just released the content of “The Rarities”

 

 

Team Céline, any plans? Lol

[jpatdeleon09]

Team Céline: We just released an album 11 months ago.

 

Mariah’s last album? 2018

[Xpresso]

Mariah just released the content of "The Rarities"

 

 

Team Céline, any plans? Lol

What about asking Mariah about a world tour (and if she can sell out venues)? Edited September 9, 2020 at 08:33 PM by Xpresso

[sarit_celine]

What about asking Mariah about a world tour (and if she can sell out venues)?

 

At least her tours are for the hardcore fans

 

Celine should take notes from the rain of goods Mariah poured out today on her fans.

[Xpresso]

At least her tours are for the hardcore fans

 

Might be the reason why her shows don't sell out.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Might be the reason why her shows don't sell out.

 

Your last two words are the perfect ones to use to describe Celine and her “artistry”.

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Your last two words are the perfect ones to use to describe Celine and her “artistry”.

 

Let’s be real. The Céline Dion brand was never about artistry. René and Céline were constantly about exposure and profit. Rarely was artistry a concern, unless the end result was to break through to a new market. Even in French, Deux and SISDA were each conceived to break her into the French market and seem like a Piaf-esque diva, and if the way to do that was to through JJG then so be it. Then came 1F4T : a concept album (and one of my faves despite) designed to ease the Franco public’s unease about her moving to Vegas and starting a ridiculously over the top residency. René and Sony were afraid she’d be seen as “out of touch” by her home base, so they threw her in blue jeans and let her riff on her electric guitar while yodeling cowboy tunes. Nothing ridiculous about that, right?

 

That said, Courage is easily one of her most artistic albums... even if she did reach that goal by hiring the best songwriters money can buy. She made the album she wanted and took her time doing it.

Edited September 10, 2020 at 01:08 AM by Chantemoi

[PuraVida]

 

 

Let’s be real. The Céline Dion brand was never about artistry. René and Céline were constantly about exposure and profit. Rarely was artistry a concern, unless the end result was to break through to a new market. Even in French, Deux and SISDA were each conceived to break her into the French market and seem like a Piaf-esque diva, and if the way to do that was to through JJG then so be it. Then came 1F4T : a concept album (and one of my faves despite) designed to ease the Franco public’s unease about her moving to Vegas and starting a ridiculously over the top residency. René and Sony were afraid she’d be seen as “out of touch” by her home base, so they threw her in blue jeans and let her riff on her electric guitar while yodeling cowboy tunes. Nothing ridiculous about that, right?

 

That said, Courage is easily one of her most artistic albums... even if she did reach that goal by hiring the best songwriters money can buy. She made the album she wanted and took her time doing it.

 

I think, whether their intention or not, every English album before FIY was quite artistic. I think it was refined and not shoehorned to fit the broadest audience.....then on her two best selling albums, they threw every genre onto a CD

 

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I think, whether their intention or not, every English album before FIY was quite artistic. I think it was refined and not shoehorned to fit the broadest audience.....then on her two best selling albums, they threw every genre onto a CD

 

I’ll give you that. Early on, they were trying to find which niche to put her in, so there was at least some consistency on each album. Then they just said “F*** it. She’s good at all of it.” And threw all the genres onto one disc.

[sarit_celine]

Might be the reason why her shows don't sell out.

 

I don't know what about the Tour tickets (I could care less)

at least she creates the dream setlist, and R-E-S-P-E-C-T

her hardcore fans, a word Celine forgot long time ago what it means.

From what I see, lambs buying like crazy her new materials and having such joy

during those complicated times. She also has family and had sucks life

and boy, do she keep giving so much for her hardcore fans.

She is an example for an Artist, put so many efforts, thought and creativity in everything she does.

At least with Mariah you know that you get a full value for your hard earned money.

 

She is everywhere these days, her team promotion wise is beautiful to see.

Edited September 10, 2020 at 08:02 AM by sarit_celine

[Xpresso]

I don't know what about the Tour tickets (I could care less)

at least she creates the dream setlist, and R-E-S-P-E-C-T

her hardcore fans, a word Celine forgot long time ago what it means.

From what I see, lambs buying like crazy her new materials and having such joy

during those complicated times. She also has family and had sucks life

and boy, do she keep giving so much for her hardcore fans.

She is an example for an Artist, put so many efforts, thought and creativity in everything she does.

At least with Mariah you know that you get a full value for your hard earned money.

 

She is everywhere these days, her team promotion wise is beautiful to see.

Maybe it's time for you to move to the lambs family. Just saying... And let's see if all that exposure means more sales.

By the way, Celine has done way more shows than Mariah in case you forgot. And her fans have such joy during those shows!

[Xpresso]

Your last two words are the perfect ones to use to describe Celine and her "artistry".

I follow her mainly for her voice. So she could sing whatever and I'm happy. It's up to you to decide if you want to be a fan or not. Nobody forces you to follow her and buy her music if you are not happy with her artistry.

[JoshRafa21]

It’s totally unfair! Team Céline can do that, they can release those 'gems'.. DVD, Professional Footages Demos, everything!

 

Yes, she can sell out more venues, do residency shows name it, that’s her forte..

 

 

I feel like they don’t really care (LOL)

 

I don’t know how to express it properly (too tired of Team Céline’s s***, no one is listening to us) but I hope you guys get my point...

 

[joaofilho]

I don't care what Mariah does, I prefer Celine to release a new CD, with new songs than another collection of hits or rare songs, rare songs that fans already know.

[couldawouldashoulda]

I don't care what Mariah does, I prefer Celine to release a new CD, with new songs than another collection of hits or rare songs, rare songs that fans already know.

 

Well, since she tends to release a French album soon after an English album, and the fact that she’s going to Europe next year, the chances that you’ll get a new album in French is probably pretty high.

[ryba]

Now what about the Other 20 unreleased courage songs? French album first and then those 20 after? How about a simultaneous release?

[manu23]

I don't know what about the Tour tickets (I could care less)

at least she creates the dream setlist, and R-E-S-P-E-C-T

her hardcore fans, a word Celine forgot long time ago what it means.

From what I see, lambs buying like crazy her new materials and having such joy

during those complicated times. She also has family and had sucks life

and boy, do she keep giving so much for her hardcore fans.

She is an example for an Artist, put so many efforts, thought and creativity in everything she does.

At least with Mariah you know that you get a full value for your hard earned money.

 

She is everywhere these days, her team promotion wise is beautiful to see.

 

It's just logical that Mariah focus on her hardcore fans as it has been proved that her new material doesn't appeal to the general public. With no promo, Courage has sold more than double than Caution. What's the point of being so "creative" if the public don't buy your product?

 

I guess you have been in one of her concerts? I've been and you can't compare the quality of Celine's production, starting from how good the sound quality is. And I won't even comment on the voice and the energy. What I say might be biased, so regarding where people think their money is well invested just look at both artists average ticket price or profits they generate every year. People are more willing to put their hard earned money on Celine.

 

And I don't know why we keep comparing artists whose careers are at a totally different level.

[Taking Chances]

It's just logical that Mariah focus on her hardcore fans as it has been proved that her new material doesn't appeal to the general public. With no promo, Courage has sold more than double than Caution. What's the point of being so "creative" if the public don't buy your product?

 

I guess you have been in one of her concerts? I've been and you can't compare the quality of Celine's production, starting from how good the sound quality is. And I won't even comment on the voice and the energy. What I say might be biased, so regarding where people think their money is well invested just look at both artists average ticket price or profits they generate every year. People are more willing to put their hard earned money on Celine.

 

And I don't know why we keep comparing artists whose careers are at a totally different level.

 

Celine has the luxury to do both. She still sells a lot of concert tickets and will keep her career going that way. Her passion for being on stage and people coming to see her is something special that Mariah doesn't have. Like you said, people are willing to spend their hard earned money on Celine and go see her in concert.

 

With the current state of the industry though, people aren't going to buy albums like they did before, particularly not from legacy artists. However, if Celine truly had passion for making new music, or make a compilation album of old rare songs, we'd get an album like that too, but her passion for things like that just isn't there.

Edited September 10, 2020 at 03:09 PM by Taking Chances

[Ajax]

It's just logical that Mariah focus on her hardcore fans as it has been proved that her new material doesn't appeal to the general public. With no promo, Courage has sold more than double than Caution. What's the point of being so "creative" if the public don't buy your product?

 

I guess you have been in one of her concerts? I've been and you can't compare the quality of Celine's production, starting from how good the sound quality is. And I won't even comment on the voice and the energy. What I say might be biased, so regarding where people think their money is well invested just look at both artists average ticket price or profits they generate every year. People are more willing to put their hard earned money on Celine.

 

And I don't know why we keep comparing artists whose careers are at a totally different level.

 

Exactly.

I mean, they all have the same problem (Madonna, Mariah, Celine, Janet....) All those women around the same age. Their new material does not go to the masses anymore, it does not interest. So at one point they need to embrace, celebrate and rely mainly on their back catalog and passed archievement if they want to maintain a certain media attention. Madonna fights again that, Mariah manage to make more or less a balance and Celine now on stage rely mainly on her back catalog for those same reasons.

 

But if we compare Mariah and Celine on this rarities album for example, I kind of agree with you. If it's a problem for all the women above 50, I would say that yes, it's getting more obvious for Mariah to do this kind of things now rather than Celine. And it is not a way to pull down Mariah as her artistry I would say will always remain a bit superior to Celine but clearly, we are not in the same phase right now as Celine (Touring power, new material and global image). It is the right time for Mariah to do that, let's even say that it is her only chance to maintain her public exposure and aura. Celine has the luxury right now to still wait a bit before really getting into a real celebration of her prime self.

 

Time will come for Celine to do those things it will come soon enough.

[Kyle_Jared]

It's just logical that Mariah focus on her hardcore fans as it has been proved that her new material doesn't appeal to the general public. With no promo, Courage has sold more than double than Caution. What's the point of being so "creative" if the public don't buy your product?

 

I guess you have been in one of her concerts? I've been and you can't compare the quality of Celine's production, starting from how good the sound quality is. And I won't even comment on the voice and the energy. What I say might be biased, so regarding where people think their money is well invested just look at both artists average ticket price or profits they generate every year. People are more willing to put their hard earned money on Celine.

 

And I don't know why we keep comparing artists whose careers are at a totally different level.

 

Exactly! And what Mariah puts out is garbage. That new single from the 'rarities" is crap. A bunch B sides constitutes artistry??????? Or rehashing a Christmas song and shoving it down the publics throats continually since 1994? Give me a break. The comments about Celine are true. If we're comparing Mariah couldn't dream to sell the amount of seats Celine does. But they're two different artists.

[couldawouldashoulda]

Sometimes I think some users on this forum are “lambs in wolf’s clothing” just here to bash Celine and get her fans riled up. LOL

[mirage]

Can you imagine what Courage could have been if she was that active like Mariah and Madonna on social media.

 

The whole world was waiting for Celine since 2016.

They drop the album. And that's all they did. Drop the album

 

I can't wait for the back to back album with the other 20 songs

[PuraVida]

 

 

Exactly! And what Mariah puts out is garbage. That new single from the 'rarities" is crap. A bunch B sides constitutes artistry??????? Or rehashing a Christmas song and shoving it down the publics throats continually since 1994? Give me a break. The comments about Celine are true. If we're comparing Mariah couldn't dream to sell the amount of seats Celine does. But they're two different artists.

 

I can’t believe we will have to live with that Christmas song until the rest of time lol

[sarit_celine]

Maybe it's time for you to move to the lambs family. Just saying... And let's see if all that exposure means more sales.

By the way, Celine has done way more shows than Mariah in case you forgot. And her fans have such joy during those shows!

 

I prefer quailty upon quantity, happy for her that she still sells a lot of tickets,

but what does it serve if she is so lack of motivation

and vision regarding anything that has to do with her career

and that one album she said to be proud of.

 

As for the lambs, Ha-Ha, I love seeing their happiness

and let's not pretend, if Celine would pour on our heads so many goods

at one time, like unreleased rare songs we will be in a total madness!

 

Some Mariah songs brings back nostalgy, or maybe I'm on my way to become a lamb

and I just keep being in denial?

I really love seeing artists cherish their hardcore fans, and it increases my respect for them

[sarit_celine]

Can you imagine what Courage could have been if she was that active like Mariah and Madonna on social media.

 

The whole world was waiting for Celine since 2016.

They drop the album. And that's all they did. Drop the album

 

I can't wait for the back to back album with the other 20 songs

 

If she will release the rest of the Courage songs that will be a blast

[sarit_celine]

Sometimes I think some users on this forum are "lambs in wolf's clothing" just here to bash Celine and get her fans riled up. LOL

 

Yeah wanting not to see her career sinking down is called "bashing"...

[sarit_celine]

It's just logical that Mariah focus on her hardcore fans as it has been proved that her new material doesn't appeal to the general public. With no promo, Courage has sold more than double than Caution. What's the point of being so "creative" if the public don't buy your product?

 

I guess you have been in one of her concerts? I've been and you can't compare the quality of Celine's production, starting from how good the sound quality is. And I won't even comment on the voice and the energy. What I say might be biased, so regarding where people think their money is well invested just look at both artists average ticket price or profits they generate every year. People are more willing to put their hard earned money on Celine.

 

And I don't know why we keep comparing artists whose careers are at a totally different level.

 

Hi Manu, I didn't compare their careers, you can see that I don't care about tickets sales either

but since that some fans here always will look for excuses as for why it's okay that Celine

made her last work to go under the radar, and after seeing how other veteran artists

cherishing their music and fans every monday and thursday, one can't avoid thinking on Celine, aren't you?

I keep thinking that we're not seeing even 30% of Celine's abilities in this "Courage" era

because she has no team around her that will give any good advices.

 

I didn't go to Mariah's concert when she came here, because of the "P" issues

but due to her nodules issues, I feel that it's not fair to judge her on that issue.

I can't even imagine how this issue must be for her, but even with that

she went live from her studio at home some weeks ago and sang live, she worked her way out quite well.

 

I never followed her that closely, but in the last months I did find myself doing that

and that kept amazed me how she treats her art and lambs, always looking for the next creative idea

and being all there for her fans. I find it funny that some fans here can't reconize that.

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

What Shaun was talking about was Celine management over the years. Your response has literally nothing to do with that. It's just a random rant about the pandemic with too many words in capital letters.

 

If anything, you just made a good case for them not doing other things during this time. Like release unreleased stuff, like concerts, music videos etc. If she can't tour for a while, they can still release digital (and physical) media. You know, things they should have been doing all along.

 

ok sorry this reply is late (as i am not on this forum that much as you can see, been kinda busy lately!) but i think you kinda MISSED THE POINT of my post... i had NEVER said anything against celines team releasing new digital content - whether its new songs, previously unreleased songs, releases of concerts that have not been released before, even maybe a NEW DOCUMENTARY about celine (even though yes i know that the documentary thing is a major LONG SHOT lol, but hey a girl can dream lol haha) - would be REALLY GREAT during this unprecendent time, as concert are not back yet, & LORD KNOWS when they will be, but most likely it wont be until @ least ANOTHER FEW YEARS from now...

 

so yea i am ALL FOR NEW STUFF FROM TEAM CELINE!!! especially since because of this pandemic, most likely than not concerts, residencies, tours, & other live events will NOT BE BACK by next year as everybody is hoping (especially if there is no viable vaccine, & even if there is by chance, it still WILL NOT be out by this time next year @ all as that is totally unsafe & unrealistic!!!

 

come on team celine!!! even though there are no concerts for the forseeable future, DOESNT MEAN you have to stay in hiding forever!!!

Edited September 11, 2020 at 02:42 AM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

I wouldn't worry about that. This is still a capitalist world and live concerts it's a multibillionaire industry. Even if we never get a vaccine, they would let people die before shut down for good.

The isolation is already limited, people are filling the beaches, parks... In China, where we had the first appearance of the virus, there's concert happening. They won't hold back music industry for much longer.

 

Mark my words: with or without coronavirus, next year everything will be re-open.

 

well even though i do applaud your optimism & well wishes (& everybody elses on this forum too lol) that the coronavirus "will be gone by next year" & that "the world will 100% be back to normal next year" & all that (& apparently many people are also thinking that, just because some of the restrictions were lifted during the summer months, & are doing VERY RISKY BEHAVIORS such as not wearing masks, not social distancing, having very large crowds @ parties in peoples homes, & overcrowding @ beaches, restaurants, bars, etc, & those behaviors had caused many of those places here in my state, maryland, to get CLOSED UP again because of more positive coronavirus cases...) DOES NOT MEAN the pandemic is over! there are still many new cases & high positivity rates of the virus in many places EVERY DAY & ITS NOT STOPPING!

 

& summer will soon be over... in fact scientists are already predicting a SECOND WAVE of the virus to come this fall & winter once the weather gets cooler (pretty much @ the same time as the typical yearly "cold & flu season" starts, @ least here in the united states...) so i can see restrictions will be coming back, & most likely ANOTHER LOCKDOWN during the winter months like what happened earlier this year...

 

so sorry to doubt you or anybody else, but DO NOT count on this whole situation being over by next year, or that concerts, live sports, broadway shows, or even NORMAL SCHOOLING, going back to pre-coronavirus status anytime soon!!! as much as we all want normal life again, & i really do want normal life back again too, but the coronavirus is NOT going away anytime soon, & even though i know its hard to accept, this is OUR NEW NORMAL we have to accept until hopefully a vaccine, or another cure or treatment, comes along someday to get rid of the coronavirus forever!!!

Edited September 11, 2020 at 04:39 AM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[weasley123]

Next year they will restart Courage World Tour in March 2021. That’s 1,5 year after the release of Courage. They’ll start American leg in September 2021, almost 2 years after first single released. They need to reignite the album if they still want to use the name ‘Courage’ for the album in order to keep it relevant. I know, I know, some said that the name ‘Courage World Your’ has nothing to do with ‘Courage’ album yada yada. But I don’t buy it. So let’s wait and see.