"Courage" album - Official Topic

[garyhollander]

It's totally unfair! Team Céline can do that, they can release those 'gems'.. DVD, Professional Footages Demos, everything!

 

Yes, she can sell out more venues, do residency shows name it, that's her forte..

 

 

I feel like they don't really care (LOL)

 

I don't know how to express it properly (too tired of Team Céline's s***, no one is listening to us) but I hope you guys get my point...

 

Wouldnt you call her a copy cat then if she would release the same as mariah now? heheh it think people should take a break from the forum hehe.. Its does you good heheh it's like there is nothing to talk about so lets just trow in some comments and ideas... Not only for you but there are more of you here.

[Xpresso]

Can you imagine what Courage could have been if she was that active like Mariah and Madonna on social media.

 

The whole world was waiting for Celine since 2016.

They drop the album. And that's all they did. Drop the album

 

I can't wait for the back to back album with the other 20 songs

And what could Courage have been exactly if it has sold more than the albums from the "active" ones on social media? It doesn't mean it would have sold more even if Celine had been all over social media. I guess Sony knew that all along... Edited September 11, 2020 at 08:12 AM by Xpresso

[garyhollander]

Let's be real. The Céline Dion brand was never about artistry. René and Céline were constantly about exposure and profit. Rarely was artistry a concern, unless the end result was to break through to a new market. Even in French, Deux and SISDA were each conceived to break her into the French market and seem like a Piaf-esque diva, and if the way to do that was to through JJG then so be it. Then came 1F4T : a concept album (and one of my faves despite) designed to ease the Franco public's unease about her moving to Vegas and starting a ridiculously over the top residency. René and Sony were afraid she'd be seen as "out of touch" by her home base, so they threw her in blue jeans and let her riff on her electric guitar while yodeling cowboy tunes. Nothing ridiculous about that, right?

 

That said, Courage is easily one of her most artistic albums... even if she did reach that goal by hiring the best songwriters money can buy. She made the album she wanted and took her time doing it.

 

I think this is not completely accurate, Cause they might have used exposure and profit to get her the status she has today... But every single artist uses the same thing to get to where they wanted.. Their brand for Celine was more about the greatest vocalist of all time... If you see her duet pairings they are all based on the best vocalist at the time. Peabo Bryson, Barbra Streisand, Andrea Bocelli, Pavarotti, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, R Kelly (great Renb Singer very popular at that time)... If you see how she was treating her voice also her brand was all about best vocalist.. Anbd thats fine not everybody needs to be an artist and there are more ways of artistry also in vocal styling and developing a voice to mimic a guitar or manipulate the vribato etc are all forms of art interpretation... So i agree with you on certain things but dont think they were just trowing everything in an album they were trying to display all her vocal abilities and speaking the different markets... Their goals were to make her the biggest artist of all time... And think Music company has also say in her recordings and song selections soo maybe not all her choices... Could it be that she is also experimenting with different genres? and trying out new things.. I mean you see it till this days that each album has things that are outside her comfort zone.. Id like her story about her career once in a tell all book about the record company etc im sure she was not always agreeing with SONY/

[manu23]

Hi Manu, I didn't compare their careers, you can see that I don't care about tickets sales either

but since that some fans here always will look for excuses as for why it's okay that Celine

made her last work to go under the radar, and after seeing how other veteran artists

cherishing their music and fans every monday and thursday, one can't avoid thinking on Celine, aren't you?

I keep thinking that we're not seeing even 30% of Celine's abilities in this "Courage" era

because she has no team around her that will give any good advices.

 

I didn't go to Mariah's concert when she came here, because of the "P" issues

but due to her nodules issues, I feel that it's not fair to judge her on that issue.

I can't even imagine how this issue must be for her, but even with that

she went live from her studio at home some weeks ago and sang live, she worked her way out quite well.

 

I never followed her that closely, but in the last months I did find myself doing that

and that kept amazed me how she treats her art and lambs, always looking for the next creative idea

and being all there for her fans. I find it funny that some fans here can't reconize that.

 

I could actually say the same. Some fans here don't recognize Celine for the kind of artists she is. You respect/admire Mariah for doing what she likes, that's being in the studio, but don't respect Celine for being more a live artist. She has always said what she enjoys the most is being in the stage, sharing her passion with the fans. Isn't that a way to share and be there for the fans? Why is it more caring for the fans releasing an album of old B-sides from the 90s than touring the world to give the opportunity to fans to see you live? I can't assure you that doing a live show in front of 20,000 people is more demanding that sitting at home singing a song for you social media channels.

 

Mariah is more active now because she has a biography and a b-sides album to promote, she also needs to make a living right? Celine has nothing to promote at the moment, when she does she will be more present.

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Yeah wanting not to see her career sinking down is called "bashing"...

 

That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all year. Her career is “sinking down????!!!!” Go away, Lamb

[guigafs15]

 

 

well even though i do applaud your optimism & well wishes (& everybody elses on this forum too lol) that the coronavirus "will be gone by next year" & that "the world will 100% be back to normal next year" & all that (& apparently many people are also thinking that, just because some of the restrictions were lifted during the summer months, & are doing VERY RISKY BEHAVIORS such as not wearing masks, not social distancing, having very large crowds @ parties in peoples homes, & overcrowding @ beaches, restaurants, bars, etc, & those behaviors had caused many of those places here in my state, maryland, to get CLOSED UP again because of more positive coronavirus cases...) DOES NOT MEAN the pandemic is over! there are still many new cases & high positivity rates of the virus in many places EVERY DAY & ITS NOT STOPPING!

 

 

I'm sorry but you completely miss my point on that comment. There was nothing optimistic about it, was rather a political criticism in response to a belief that whole concert industry could shutdown for good and always. Of course we're still in a pandemic and will be for long time, and we should be careful, there's no denying. But that's not the way things work. Money dictates the rules in this world and they will not shutdown for good a multi-billion industry just because might be the safe thing to do, specially with a low mortality ratio.

 

It would be heartwarming to live in a world where people has more value than money... Now that's an optimistic thought.

Edited September 11, 2020 at 12:47 PM by guigafs15

[JoshRafa21]

 

 

Wouldnt you call her a copy cat then if she would release the same as mariah now? heheh it think people should take a break from the forum hehe.. Its does you good heheh it's like there is nothing to talk about so lets just trow in some comments and ideas... Not only for you but there are more of you here.

 

 

Nah, I think we all deserve a new stuff from her/Team Céline, that’s my point..

 

Not that really *new stuff*, I mean atleast release those professional footages or a DVD from the Vegas show (Hello, 'Celine' show) that would be a great treat for us, I think..

 

 

 

 

[Céline RO]

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They drop the album. And that's all they did. Drop the album

 

Yeah, “all they did” was drop 21 brand new songs...

 

And I won’t even mention the world tour.

Edited September 11, 2020 at 05:55 PM by Céline RO

[Céline RO]

I know, I know, some said that the name 'Courage World Your' has nothing to do with 'Courage' album yada yada. But I don't buy it. So let's wait and see.

 

I still stand by that. I believe the tour, just like the album, is named after the Courage era - the point in Céline’s life right now.

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Yeah, “all they did” was drop 21 brand new songs...

 

And I won’t even mention the world tour.

 

LOL - You mean she did her job?! That’s madness! She has gone above and beyond releasing music as a recording singer!

 

Please. LOL

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

I still stand by that. I believe the tour, just like the album, is named after the Courage era - the point in Céline’s life right now.

 

Just like the “Falling Into You Tour” was an era when she enjoyed falling into people? LOL

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

I'm sorry but you completely miss my point on that comment. There was nothing optimistic about it, was rather a political criticism in response to a belief that whole concert industry could shutdown for good and always. Of course we're still in a pandemic and will be for long time, and we should be careful, there's no denying. But that's not the way things work. Money dictates the rules in this world and they will not shutdown for good a multi-billion industry just because might be the safe thing to do, specially with a low mortality ratio.

 

It would be heartwarming to live in a world where people has more value than money... Now that's an optimistic thought.

 

well no i think you missed MY point though... i NEVER had said that there would be no concerts FOREVER - as forever is a VERY long time lol - but for everything to be back opened up & ready to go by NEXT YEAR is such a LONG STRETCH with such still-very-high positivity rates in most countries, including here in the UNITED STATES where i am from (here we still have HIGH RATES of coronavirus cases & scientists are already predicting the next wave to come VERY SOON in the fall/winter months when the weather gets colder!!! so this whole pandemic is FAR FROM OVER & sorry but this is NOT going to "magically disappear" by next week, next month, next year, after the presidential elections, etc!!!

 

now i am NOT trying to get into a whole "political debate" with any of you all on this forum, i really do NOT care to... (i am an INDEPENDENT VOTER & i do not support either of the major political parties, so i couldnt care less about either one of them, but anyway...) but no matter what political parties you all support, let me make this very clear: THE CORONAVIRUS IS 100% REAL!!!!!! yes that is right, IT IS REAL!!!!!! it was NEVER MADE UP to begin with, there has been people who have gotten it, some did not get sick that much from it yes, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN VERY SICK & ALMOST DIED, & EVEN SOME WHO HAVE DIED FROM IT!!! so yes its a REAL ILLNESS folks!!! in fact here in the states, there has been 160,000+ DEATHS so far from this virus!!! so whether you all wanna not believe it or think this all was the "plandemic" or whatever (ughhh dont even get me started with that "plandemic" crap, i really HATE that exp<b></b>ression so much, it has never been a "plan" or anything like that!!!) there are some people who think this all was "made up" by the government, & that it will "magically disappear" from the world once the november elections are over, & that "it was never real to begin with", & blah blah blahhhhhh... (now i am NOT ACCUSING any of you in particular of thinking or saying any of this... but i am just stating some facts with my opinions that is all...)

 

but im letting you all know that this coronavirus is real, i know of quite a few people who have had it (including one person who ALMOST DIED from it back in march!!!) so i know it is real, no matter what other people think!!!

 

& like one person said, i think it was "couldawouldashoulda" who said this, if people are NOT using safety precautions (by NOT wearing masks or social distancing, etc,) @ places such as airplanes, restaurants, bars, beaches, etc... which all have ONLY a few hundred @ a time... how are the various arenas & stadiums going to handle THOUSANDS of people (between 500,000 to 100,000 @ a time,) & keep everybody safe??? that is impossible!!! why do you think sports do not have fans in the audiences yet??? in fact right now baseball & basketball have NO FANS @ all in the audiences & football has just started & will be the same as the other sports with no live audiences!!! so if live sports are not back yet (& most likely still wont be for a long while,) it will be the same thing for concerts, broadway shows, festivals, etc... & yes i do realize that the sports, music, etc industries will be losing some money during this pandemic (just like many other businesses have during this pandemic, like i said before, this whole pandemic has affected everybody in the world,) but if millions of people die from the very real coronavirus, then there will be NO FANS to buy the tickets or purchase products then!!!

 

 

EDIT: here is the post from "couldawouldashoulda" that i mentioned in my post:

 

 

 

Ok - but how do you enforce that people wear a mask and act responsibly? Cuz we’re seeing all over the world that people do not do that. That’s why, in my post, I said, it’s easier in a plane for a flight attendant to enforce mask wearing but how do we do that in a crowd of 100,000? You have yet to offer up a way to enforce that. One that will work. And one that each individual arena will have to adhere.

 

i agree with you 100%, this is not a joke as some people out there think!!!

 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 at 06:44 PM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[yoyoma]

Not sure if anyone has seen this

nFl players lip sync iacmtmn for the espn ads promo

https://people.com/sports/nfl-players-sing-along-celine-dion/

[PuraVida]

Just like the "Falling Into You Tour" was an era when she enjoyed falling into people? LOL

 

If I'm not wrong, Stephan Moccio wrote Courage specifically for Celine and was inspired by her current life moment. Whereas FIY was a cover song randomly chosen.

[SuperLove4Celine]

If I'm not wrong, Stephan Moccio wrote Courage specifically for Celine and was inspired by her current life moment. Whereas FIY was a cover song randomly chosen.

 

You missed my point completely.

[Peppercorn1991]

 

 

You missed my point completely.

 

We usually do lol

 

Kev x

[thatstheteacherinmehbaby]

 

 

If I'm not wrong, Stephan Moccio wrote Courage specifically for Celine and was inspired by her current life moment. Whereas FIY was a cover song randomly chosen.

 

 

hmmm i am just taking a wild guess here lol, but i think "superlove4celine" meant that the "falling into you" tour is named AFTER THE ALBUM OF THE SAME NAME "falling into you" (which is also named after one of the songs on that album "falling into you",) & except for her 1992 self-titled album, all of her english albums are named after one of the songs on that album... then when she tours for that particular album, THE TOUR IS NAMED FOR THAT ALBUM!!!

 

so going by what i just wrote: the newest album, "courage", is NAMED AFTER THE SONG "COURAGE", & hence, the current TOUR IS NAMED AFTER THAT ALBUM!!!

 

so catch my drift... sorry i am NOT trying to be mean , but i was trying to help you understand the point of somebody elses post because i do understand what "superlove4celines" post was about!!!

 

 

 

You missed my point completely.

 

dont worry i helped explained your post 😉👍

 

Edited September 12, 2020 at 12:02 AM by thatstheteacherinmehbaby

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

We usually do lol

 

Kev x

 

Don’t worry. I expect most of you to.

[PuraVida]

 

 

Don’t worry. I expect most of you to.

 

Well, I’m guilty of just reading your post and not the entire back and forth. Just pop into conversations sometime. Sorry!

Edited September 12, 2020 at 02:17 AM by PuraVida

[SuperLove4Celine]

 

 

Well, I’m guilty of just reading your post and not the entire back and forth. Just pop into conversations sometime. Sorry!

 

My response wasn’t directed towards you.

[PuraVida]

My response wasn't directed towards you.

 

But you said I missed your point completely lol.

 

Anyway, getting to a larger point of my own, I think Celine would've wanted this most personal album of her career to have a tour full of new songs....if she was the most involved with this album, she should want to promote it more.

 

I wonder if they felt that a lot of songs didn't translate well to the stage.

[guigafs15]

Reading some of this comments I realized Celine is given her fans exactly what they want it: numbers. Mediocre numbers, yes, and singles no where to be found in any chart at all, but still "better numbers than Mariah Carey". Apparently, that's the goal these days.

 

Fans love Courage album but, as long she keeps selling out concerts, nobody cares if she is only singing the same old songs from the 90's, over and over... It's about how much people is in the audience and not the quality of what is on the stage.

 

There's a psychological term for this: Herd behavior.

[manu23]

There’s another term: delusion. Where fans believe an artist over 50 can score #1 singles in the streaming era and will promote at the same level as when she was building a career at 25.

[DionFanAlways]

Just like the "Falling Into You Tour" was an era when she enjoyed falling into people? LOL

[couldawouldashoulda]

Reading some of this comments I realized Celine is given her fans exactly what they want it: numbers. Mediocre numbers, yes, and singles no where to be found in any chart at all, but still "better numbers than Mariah Carey". Apparently, that's the goal these days.

 

Fans love Courage album but, as long she keeps selling out concerts, nobody cares if she is only singing the same old songs from the 90's, over and over... It's about how much people is in the audience and not the quality of what is on the stage.

 

There's a psychological term for this: Herd behavior.

 

Yet another lamb just here to prove how much better Mariah Carey is that Celine. Go back to the Mariah Carey forum, Lamb. Here, you’re just a troll.

 

Don’t feed the troll!!

[weasley123]

Well, ironically, whether you’re okay with her team decision to halt Courage promos, or you think her team doesn’t do their job in a proper way, there is one Celine’s song that describe our situation and this whole debate:

 

Look at us now

Two broken hearts on the ground

[couldawouldashoulda]

Well, ironically, whether you're okay with her team decision to halt Courage promos, or you think her team doesn't do their job in a proper way, there is one Celine's song that describe our situation and this whole debate:

 

Look at us now

Two broken hearts on the ground

 

Actually, no. My heart isn't broken. Celine is taking some time off. OH MY GOD!!!! Let's everyone just collapse in a heap on the floor because we don't know what to do with out lives! Seriously? Some of you need to find something else to do then just sit around and wait to hear from celebrity you don't personally know. Watch a movie, read a book, call a friend, do some volunteer work. My God, some people on here act like their world is ending because, after releasing 21 tracks and embarking on a world tour, Celine is taking time off due to a worldwide pandemic. WTF

[garyhollander]

There's another term: delusion. Where fans believe an artist over 50 can score #1 singles in the streaming era and will promote at the same level as when she was building a career at 25.

 

Agree and they forget that at the falling into you time, her voice was in the best conditions, plus she had like maybe 4 or 5 big hits so they had to fill the concert with new songs... At her age nowadays with her extensive catelog there aint much place for new songs... I think so they need to find a balance...

 

And I dont think all courage songs translate to the stage... Imperfections they should take it out it sounds okay but boring I have watched a lot of clips but the song doesnt go nowhere plus in the live version it misses the beat the recording has to me it falls completely flatt... Song i think would translate to the stage are... Perfect goodbye, Loos at us now, the hard way, Lying down, courage, Lovers never die maybe( but think it is to current for her older fanbase) falling in love and they should definitly get a choir in...

[Unisono]

Look at us now

Two broken hearts on the ground

 

I was listening to this song while driving and though that the first verse is really very low and that it would be perfect to turn it into a duet with a great male voice.

[smw]

 

 

I was listening to this song while driving and though that the first verse is really very low and that it would be perfect to turn it into a duet with a great male voice.

 

Turning one of the Courage songs into a duet with a big name artist and releasing it as a single — along with a music video — would be a fantastic way to revive the album. Either right now or once the tour kicks off again.