"Courage" album - Official Topic

[sarit_celine]

With those rescheduled shows for Monteral we can't really know what happened there.

It can be that she had a contract to complete those concerts at that same very year,

but it can be also that she felt so bad with those 6 concert she had to "cancel"

and then felt obligated to her fans there.

 

It's truly sad to see that "new" record she got, she doesn't deserve that.

She has some gems that could push the album foward.

 

Well, let's see how she and her team

will handle this situation (If at all). Hope this is a wake-up call for her.

[yoyoma]

Billboard is so stupid. They could just created a separate chart. Billboard sales chart and billboard streaming chart. Whoever comes with the algorithm to incorporate streaming to sales chart is just wrong. Streaming can't be translated to sales.

Any songs that are not in spotify top list or top 50 will suffer. For instance, when i am at work, if i choose to play a spotify top 50, i dont know even all the artist in the list but because spotify compiles them, the list will just play in the background and voila counted as a stream even without me looking for a specific song in particular and play it on demand. This goes to spotify songs played in cafe, malls, gyms. If the songs are not in any hot playlist, it won't proliferate

[manu23]

This record will be broken as soon as another veteran artist does a bundle. Madonna broke the record in summer when she dropped from 1 to 77 and now Celine, due to busiest time of year and all Christmas albums, has dropped even more (in September she would probably be top 50 or like Madonna). Courage has already outsold albums like Caution or Liberation in USA, and will probably outsell Madame X if Celine does some promo before Christmas. This is not a Celine problem, all artist from the 90s and 00s face the same. USA charts are mainly driven by streaming as physical sales are almost nonexistent. Celine, unlike Mariah or Britney still has Europe, she doesn't need USA to have a million seller, but she would need a short promo tour in UK and France for that, and I don't see that happening with the tour... Without promo I don't see this album selling more than 500K worldwide. Edited December 2, 2019 at 07:46 PM by manu23

[homerton]

A uk promotion is a must.

[sarit_celine]

This record will be broken as soon as another veteran artist does a bundle. Madonna broke the record in summer when she dropped from 1 to 77 and now Celine, due to busiest time of year and all Christmas albums, has dropped even more (in September she would probably be top 50 or like Madonna). Courage has already outsold albums like Caution or Liberation in USA, and will probably outsell Madame X if Celine does some promo before Christmas. This is not a Celine problem, all artist from the 90s and 00s face the same. USA charts are mainly driven by streaming as physical sales are almost nonexistent. Celine, unlike Mariah or Britney still has Europe, she doesn't need USA to have a million seller, but she would need a short promo tour in UK and France for that, and I don't see that happening with the tour... Without promo I don't see this album selling more than 500K worldwide.

 

With the way they squeezed all the shows in Europe, I have no idea if she can do there a "normal" promo?

 

I wrote it from the first place, she even have not so many rest in between

in order to perserve her voice

 

From the eyes of Celine, she can say "What do you want from me?" I've recored so many pre-recorded interviews

even before the album came out". But well, she never really put that album in the center, in all those interviews.

 

Even if recording a nice special on TV wasn't possible, they could just filming her in one nice place

where the sings some of her new gems live, then to upload it to her official accounts, or God forbid,

to do another Facebook live event then fans can spread it all over the net.

 

I wish she would give a deep interesting interview at least one or two about the album, like why she chose certain songs

to be on this album, what the songs mean to her, collaborations with different creatros etc.

[Peppercorn1991]

I always remember when René told celine she needed to end their hunny moon as think twice was becoming a hit in the U.K.....

 

Where has this passion gone? I know she is older and been there and done that but she still has a lot to prove.... the album is fantastic.... show the world celine

 

Kev x

[Xpresso]

I always remember when René told celine she needed to end their hunny moon as think twice was becoming a hit in the U.K.....

 

Where has this passion gone? I know she is older and been there and done that but she still has a lot to prove.... the album is fantastic.... show the world celine

 

Kev x

Well she postponed the honeymoon because she was building her career. Now she is surfing on her career.

[sarit_celine]

On Amazon: #5 in Vocal Pop (CDs & Vinyl)

 

WWitunes chart #20

Album: Courage

iTunes:

 

#4 Poland

#13 Canada

#14 Botswana

#18 France

#18 Ireland

#33 Belgium

#35 Australia

#45 Switzerland

#51 Lithuania

#54 United States

#58 United Kingdom

#72 France

#75 Germany

#81 Italy

#94 Qatar

#156 Bulgaria

#179 Malta

Apple Music:

 

#10 Uganda

#12 Cyprus

#21 Luxembourg

#22 Fiji

#24 Greece

#29 Taiwan

#31 Canada

#32 Belgium

#32 Egypt

#34 Panama

#38 Malaysia

#39 Costa Rica

#41 Azerbaijan

#42 Netherlands

#48 Vietnam

#49 Mauritius

#51 Ireland

#51 Poland

#52 Saudi Arabia

#55 Thailand

#57 Switzerland

#60 Finland

#66 France

#66 Philippines

#67 United Kingdom

#67 Argentina

#69 Portugal

#70 United Arab Emirates

#75 China

#83 Sweden

#85 New Zealand

#86 Latvia

#88 Spain

#99 Dominican Republic

#99 Swaziland

#103 Romania

#107 Singapore

#110 Hungary

#110 Norway

#112 Botswana

#116 Australia

#117 Ghana

#121 Austria

#133 Sri Lanka

#134 Denmark

#144 Brazil

#146 Nigeria

#147 South Africa

#149 Indonesia

#150 Czech Republic

#154 Cambodia

#157 Bulgaria

#159 Germany

#164 Bahrain

#176 Israel

#179 Slovenia

#199 Niger

#212 Italy

Imperfections

iTunes:

 

#67 Canada

#74 Belgium

#77 France

[tomier]

Ok so, I mean, if she didn't bundle, first week would have been closer to mariah, and no number 1. Also, she might have maintained more momentum. However, she didn't necessarily sell any less combined than she would have otherwise. It's at the point where, maybe it's all front loaded but it would even out regardless. Also,she has far few hits than Mariah and her fans are older so streaming just isn't going to do it without loads of promo. And she isn't doing that. And that's what hurts the most. The 2 shows she did go on didn't focus much on the album. No songs sung. And just 2. Back in the days should go on 2-3 night time shows, 2-3 day shows/oprah(which had a huuuge positive effect.) In the first week. Big change there

 

Let's face it. She could be doing much more and much better. But she has been done with all that for a while. The only reason she does anything promo wise is problem obligations to us and her label. She just loves making the music and performing. I doubt anything will change this.

 

We should just appreciate what she does give us. I remember in one of her biographies David foster said one day she would just quit, disappear forever. And in a way I think that's what she has done. She makes music and performs because she loves it and doesn't care about the rest. As for flip vs no flop. It's not good. To drop so much. But I'm not surprised. Just trying to enjoy celine as much as I can these days.

Edited December 2, 2019 at 09:03 PM by tomier

[homerton]

Celine has lost interest. This album promotion proves it

[Xpresso]

I can't blame her for not enjoying promoting an album on various TV shows and having to answer a bunch of weird questions! She did so much promo in her life that I can totally understand how annoying that must be by now.

But she still enjoys travelling and performing, more than any of her peers. So we should count our blessings.

Edited December 2, 2019 at 09:44 PM by Xpresso

[sarit_celine]

Can we please stop with that retirement-silly approch-she has nothing to prove?

 

How this "I have nothing to prove" makes it ok to ignore a 6 years working on a new album?

 

She is still young and can still do many wonderful things with her music and for her fans.

Madonna is 10 years older and still promoting and singing so many new songs from her album, being creative etc

there is no reason Celine won't do the same and just enjoy and celebrate her new path in music.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Can we please stop with that retirement-silly approch-she has nothing to prove?

 

How this "I have nothing to prove" makes it ok to ignore a 6 years working on a new album?

 

She is still young and can still do many wonderful things with her music and for her fans.

Madonna is 10 years older and still promoting and singing so many new songs from her album, being creative etc

there is no reason Celine won't do the same and just enjoy and celebrate her new path in music.

 

Madonna’s album also flopped, she has canceled and shown up late to every show on her current tour, and even die hard fans aren’t thrilled with the amount of new songs she’s doing and neglecting her older catalog. Madonna is no way in a better boat than Celine at the present moment.

[Xpresso]

Madonna, Mariah, Celine and any older acts struggle to stay on the charts because of the streaming component. If charts would be based on sales only as it used to be, they would stay in the Top 40 for much longer.

No matter what they do, they will drop down the charts much quicker than younger artists who get their numbers from streaming. And it will keep getting more and more difficult for the veteran acts no matter how much promotion they do.

[MTJ]

j'ai peur que c'est le fin de la Celinassance

[Xpresso]

j'ai peur que c'est le fin de la Celinassance

Afraid that it's the end of the Celinaissance because of a chart position? It doesn't change much really. If she had released the album in the summer, she would still be in the Top 50 this week. Releasing in crowded November market is much more competitive. Charts are just charts.

She is still a touring force, and selling $150 tickets (and more) over $15 albums is way more telling…

[emi&celine]

j'ai peur que c'est le fin de la Celinassance

 

Don't worry, it's not the end ;-) It has just begun...with a slower start than expected

[gafsa]

Wrong thread Edited December 2, 2019 at 11:26 PM by gafsa

[sarit_celine]

Madonna's album also flopped, she has canceled and shown up late to every show on her current tour, and even die hard fans aren't thrilled with the amount of new songs she's doing and neglecting her older catalog. Madonna is no way in a better boat than Celine at the present moment.

 

I'm not a fan of Madonna and never was, I like here and there two songs.

Because that my friends love her very much, they love to share about her.

 

My intention wasn't to compare her to Celine when it comes to album sells (Well, also here Madonna doesn't have

at least this new sad record with falling out the charts the next week, not after a long anticipated new album

by one of the greatest dive alive...)

 

Just to show that she is still working hard when it comes to promote her new materials.

She gives all the respect to her new album on her new Tour, renovating her shows,

have a vision for her Tour and setlist. And yes, she had this worst thing with coming late

up onstage, but beside of that, I know many fans of her really liked her show where the new album

is put in the center - That's how things should be done from the first place, I little envy her fans

on that aspect lol.

 

Celine can sing many new songs, and get some old gems+big hits in 2 medley sets, many veterans do it

and no one will run out of her concerts. But first, she must to change apporach,

starting with her actually respecting her new gift (Album) she gave to the fans.

 

On a personal note, for the moment, my biggest dream to enjoy her in my country from a normal seat

was painfully ruined, I was heartached during months because of that

But at least, I think that seeing her performing some new songs will be a nice comfort, even via YouTube.

Who knows if I will be able to see her from a normal seat.

 

Now getting to this bazar apporach of "I have nothing more to prove".

 

You don't have nothing ro prove? So reality must contradict what we see now.

 

If you don't worry about anything, nor selling tickets, you should raise your head up, be very proud

with your new materials, bring in some creativity into your shows, no big effects on stage are needed,

but passion, and some new surprising arrangements

to old gems are needed. A vision.

[sarit_celine]

j'ai peur que c'est le fin de la Celinassance

 

Not at all, wait until she will do her fashion things in Paris. The media is crazy for her!

[yoyoma]

 

 

I'm not a fan of Madonna and never was, I like here and there two songs.

Because that my friends love her very much, they love to share about her.

 

My intention wasn't to compare her to Celine when it comes to album sells (Well, also here Madonna doesn't have

at least this new sad record with falling out the charts the next week, not after a long anticipated new album

by one of the greatest dive alive...)

 

Just to show that she is still working hard when it comes to promote her new materials.

She gives all the respect to her new album on her new Tour, renovating her shows,

have a vision for her Tour and setlist. And yes, she had this worst thing with coming late

up onstage, but beside of that, I know many fans of her really liked her show where the new album

is put in the center - That's how things should be done from the first place, I little envy her fans

on that aspect lol.

 

Celine can sing many new songs, and get some old gems+big hits in 2 medley sets, many veterans do it

and no one will run out of her concerts. But first, she must to change apporach,

starting with her actually respecting her new gift (Album) she gave to the fans.

 

On a personal note, for the moment, my biggest dream to enjoy her in my country from a normal seat

was painfully ruined, I was heartached during months because of that

But at least, I think that seeing her performing some new songs will be a nice comfort, even via YouTube.

Who knows if I will be able to see her from a normal seat.

 

Now getting to this bazar apporach of "I have nothing more to prove".

 

You don't have nothing ro prove? So reality must contradict what we see now.

 

If you don't worry about anything, nor selling tickets, you should raise your head up, be very proud

with your new materials, bring in some creativity into your shows, no big effects on stage are needed,

but passion, and some new surprising arrangements

to old gems are needed. A vision.

 

I think we can say celine care less about her album because she does not write a song. There is no sense of belonging. If she would have created the song, she will be more motivated to get it out there and spread out the message of the song. Everytime she got interviewed about the opinion of song imperfection or courage, she does not seem convincing to the audience because they are not written by her.

Just like someone bought you a dress and you wear them, yes you are grateful and to say you are proud having them is a next level, compared to you find your own clothes and you want people to like your style

[Del]

Courage is a total failure. The drop is the icing on the cake. Her lack of promotion is appalling. We get a crap tour and one song live on a tv show. René would be furious. I still think its a drab piece of work but anyone can now see. Courage era is over

I don't think we would have gotten the album we have now had Rene been around. Look at the mess that LMBTL was with a mixed bag of songs. Rene did a lot of good for her career but I felt he had lost his tour in the last few years he was managing.

 

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[sarit_celine]

I think we can say celine care less about her album because she does not write a song. There is no sense of belonging. If she would have created the song, she will be more motivated to get it out there and spread out the message of the song. Everytime she got interviewed about the opinion of song imperfection or courage, she does not seem convincing to the audience because they are not written by her.

Just like someone bought you a dress and you wear them, yes you are grateful and to say you are proud having them is a next level, compared to you find your own clothes and you want people to like your style

 

She made a career out of singing songs by others:) But she had that stellar vocal quailty,

and most important of all, the way she owns it and deliver the songs.

If this thing was lacking from the first place, then she wouldn't be the legend

she is today (Someone has a doubt?)

 

Hence I'm sorry but I don't think this is the reason, she used to have Tours when she perfomed decent

amount of new songs from a new album and one could see she is very related to them,

and gave out-of-this world renditions of those new songs (Back then).

 

I did write here that I feel that some songs of the new album feel like out of touch for her

like those of Sia and S. Smith, where she even changed her voice from a very strange reason,

but luckly enough she has other good songs from there that deserved to be performed live.

 

Courage and Imperfections imo are very good examples, she is connected to them personally

and spiritually. The one amazing thing about Celine is that she can not write

a single note of her new songs, but still will be able to own them and deliver them as if she wrote them,

and in this context another song that comes to my mind is "Boundaries". A truly gift she has.

[Cuquito]

She doesn’t care about being number 1 or number 1000. Let’s keep it real. “Courage” is a proof that she can be number one whenever she wants to.

 

How’s possible that she can sing the same sh*** for TWENTY YEARS and not getting tired?! Well because she’s ok singing the same old songs all the time OBVIOUSLY. She feels comfortable doing that and people are going go to her shows anyway.

 

Why to make new music then? Because she’s a singer and that’s her jobs and she’s making money for her and her family. As simple as that. This is why she takes YEARS to make an album.

 

When music was her “passion” and she felt that she needed to prove something she was making two albums every year. She doesn’t need to do that anymore and this is something that she says all the time.

 

Not trying to judge. This are my two cents based on the FACTS.

 

Conclusion: Enjoy the new songs and the videos and the “tour” and the brief moment of success.

 

PS: To me all the interviews are a joke. Nobody asks serious questions.

Edited December 3, 2019 at 12:42 AM by Cuquito

[superstar85ca]

Well regardless of the actual chart positions as of today - when I Google Celine, the top 3 articles are of how she topped the charts with Courage. So that makes me happy. Of course I want the album to break records and beat the crap out of all other albums but I will take what I can get! Plus no matter what, the media is pretty good to her these days so there is still lots of good Celine s*** (is perfect) ahead.

[JulienMcbeal]

We all know that Celine doesn't care about selling albums nowadays. She wants to perform, and that's that.

Hence the end of the promo - she never liked doing that.

 

The only thing I really blame her for (I mean, besides the setlist) is the fact she ALMOST NEVER talks about music in her interviews.

It always comes back to her family, her vision of life, what she likes to do... And we never know what she liked about the songs she supposedly picked, how it was to work with said artist any further than "i was honored, it was wonderful". How did they choose the arrangements? What was the attempt in producing a track in a certain way? Did Liz Rodriguez helped to create a cohesive sound on the album? What was the purpose of this sound?

Why did Celine chose to sing in these peculiar new ways of her, what does this evolution represent, how are she in terms with her voice, after 40 years of career and a recent operation when it comes to record an album?

 

What does she feel about the vintage sound of How did you get here? Were she affraid to attack The Hard Way and how did she managed it? How painful was it to record Courage or Perfect Goodbye? To swear in it, did she gave a second thought or did it feel natural?

Why did they choose an organ on many songs, a choir, the electric sound in Lying Down... How did she approched LP? Or did LP reached Celine after she said during the LA event that she would love an LP song?

How is it to work with Sia, one of her favorite artist, in the studio booth?

I guess we'll never know.

She's bound to do a little promo, but talks about her life. Not her music. What the heck?

It's not new, I know. But it still frustrates and infuriates me.

 

But if the cancelled or non planned promo was to tell us once more she sees her husband every day in the eyes of her children and that it took Courage to re-live after the ordeal she had to face 'like so many in the world', I'm glad she decided she wouldn't do promo.

[marc-02]

It seems she or her team doesnt care about the album as much as they do with the Courage tour. It doesnt matter to them if the album sells, all that matters is the shows sell out. Because lets admit it, that's where she/they earn more.

 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 at 01:33 AM by marc-02

[guigafs15]

Celine's fans keep lying to themselves. Thinking she's always one good song, or one good video, or one good promotion to be back at the top like it was 90 again.

 

Accepted: it's not going to happen. She can't fight time.

 

While young artist make no effort and top the charts everywhere, Celine would've have to work her #ss off to get mediocre numbers at most. It's just not worth it and she knows it.

 

Really, she is right now on the best place she could ever be, considering her age and her time on pop music. She's recognized as an Icon, she's respected, she's one of the big concert sellers.

 

Enjoy and get over it.

[sarit_celine]

We all know that Celine doesn't care about selling albums nowadays. She wants to perform, and that's that.

Hence the end of the promo - she never liked doing that.

 

The only thing I really blame her for (I mean, besides the setlist) is the fact she ALMOST NEVER talks about music in her interviews.

It always comes back to her family, her vision of life, what she likes to do... And we never know what she liked about the songs she supposedly picked, how it was to work with said artist any further than "i was honored, it was wonderful". How did they choose the arrangements? What was the attempt in producing a track in a certain way? Did Liz Rodriguez helped to create a cohesive sound on the album? What was the purpose of this sound?

Why did Celine chose to sing in these peculiar new ways of her, what does this evolution represent, how are she in terms with her voice, after 40 years of career and a recent operation when it comes to record an album?

 

What does she feel about the vintage sound of How did you get here? Were she affraid to attack The Hard Way and how did she managed it? How painful was it to record Courage or Perfect Goodbye? To swear in it, did she gave a second thought or did it feel natural?

Why did they choose an organ on many songs, a choir, the electric sound in Lying Down... How did she approched LP? Or did LP reached Celine after she said during the LA event that she would love an LP song?

How is it to work with Sia, one of her favorite artist, in the studio booth?

I guess we'll never know.

She's bound to do a little promo, but talks about her life. Not her music. What the heck?

It's not new, I know. But it still frustrates and infuriates me.

 

But if the cancelled or non planned promo was to tell us once more she sees her husband every day in the eyes of her children and that it took Courage to re-live after the ordeal she had to face 'like so many in the world', I'm glad she decided she wouldn't do promo.

 

Can I share this post (The part of questions) on her Facebook group?

It's behind me Celine never found the moment to give some good words via interviews

to people who worked with her on that album, but in detail...

[marc-02]

https://www.showbiz4...-number-1-debut

 

Celine Dion “Courage” Album Plunges 95% in Second Week, Falls Off Chart After Number 1 Debut

 

 

https://www.nme.com/...ll-ever-2583292

 

Celine Dion’s ‘Courage’ suffers biggest chart fall ever for an album debuting at Number One

Edited December 3, 2019 at 06:17 AM by marc-02