"Courage" album - Official Topic

[joaofilho]

Promotion, promotion that's all, when she sang on Thanksgiving the album sales went up a bit, so that's missing.

Another strange thing, where are the albums that come with the concert package. People don't want to rescue them, people don't want the CD, if everyone rescues albums I'm sure celine is back in the top 10.

[Celine Fan 77]

I don't know if it's real but i saw some post on instagram that there will be changes in the setlist... I forgot to save the link. My gosh!

 

That might have to do with the rumor that she rehearsed Change My Mind and Perfect Goodbye in Chicago... Fingers crossed for this to be true

[jpatdeleon09]

That might have to do with the rumor that she rehearsed Change My Mind and Perfect Goodbye in Chicago... Fingers crossed for this to be true

 

My gosh! I hope that's true! Also, I remember.. someone said before that she sang 'Falling In Love Again' during her rehearsal back in Oct? Maybe they're really planning on changing the setlist/adding songs from the new album. And of course they need to prepare for the visuals too! So, maybe they're working on it. So, maybe a little more patience on the setlist

Edited December 3, 2019 at 11:24 AM by jpatdeleon09

[JulienMcbeal]

go outside look at the flowers and the sun cause you live in a pretty dark world...

 

But we're in December and I live in north hemisphere!

[ruimarques]

I think that this “US leg of Courage tour” is basically for the wider audience who haven’t seen Celine performing live for 10 years ... I kind of think that the European leg would be completely different (and the fact that she rehearsed PG and other songs support my suspicion)

 

Celine is basically do her previous European tour now in US as the US didn’t have that tour due to Las Vegas contract.

[Xpresso]

Seriously, some of you losing your mind over an album chart. You can voice your opinion but what's up with the nasty and mean comments?

If you are not happy with the album or the tour, why are you here every single day with your negative attitude? Go to the Mariah or Madonna forum if you think it's better over there.

[Xpresso]

And biggest drop in history? Well let's just say that the "new" rules for the Billboard Top 200 (which now include streaming) are not that old. So chart history is fairly young. Those headlines are just made to look dramatic and catch your attention. It seems to be working! Edited December 3, 2019 at 12:16 PM by Xpresso

[yoyoma]

Promotion, promotion that's all, when she sang on Thanksgiving the album sales went up a bit, so that's missing.

Another strange thing, where are the albums that come with the concert package. People don't want to rescue them, people don't want the CD, if everyone rescues albums I'm sure celine is back in the top 10.

 

Could be people who bought the tickets are resellers. That's why the end buyer can't redeem it. I am afraid the reseller just chase money and not claiming the cds.

[marc-02]

 

 

It's a dull and flat album, you shouldn't even care if it's flop or not, or if she sing the songs in her tour or not, and why would you even want her to sing song from her dull and flatt album.

 

Haha the more we give attention to this homerton guy, the more he'll keep repeating himself like a broken record that the album is a flop and dull. It's best to just ignore him. If you notice, read back for several pages hes been repeating the same thing and nobody was noticing him thats why he kept repeating it to trigger us, hoping someone will engage him. But let's just ignore. This will be my last post about him and won't dignify his repetitive remarks. I think the guy has driven home his point and we get it, its his opinion, but repeating it over and over and over and over is just plain... Dull and flat. Hahaha.

Edited December 3, 2019 at 01:03 PM by marc-02

[couldawouldashoulda]

OMG - I made myself some breakfast and read the past few days of this forum. It was quite a laugh, for sure! You people are losing your minds because in ONE country, her album had a significant decrease in sales? Not children being separated from their parents at the border, not the entire koala species being burned alive in the Australian fires, not a friend going through cancer...FOR AN ALBUM DROPPING IN SALES. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in a long time - thanks for the laughs this morning. I needed them!

 

If some of you can only enjoy Celine if she has massive sales, stop being her fan right now. You’re only going to put yourself through a lifetime of disappointment, crying yourself to sleep every night. If you don’t like the set list to her concert...I’ve got a tip for you - DON’T GO! No one is forcing you to go to her concert. Sell your ticket and DON’T BUY ANOTHER ONE EVER AGAIN because it’s clear at this point, after many years that she is a “Greatest Hits Artist.” I get that you’re disappointed she called it the Courage tour and isn’t singing much from the album. Wah Wah Wah. JUST DON”T GO TO THE FREAKING SHOW THEN. It’s your choice. You can’t force Celine to do something she doesn’t want to do. The woman has a bazillion dollars and is going to keep making a bazillion dollars not from any album but from touring with her greatest hits. Accept that or just move on.

 

Has anyone been to a Cher concert lately? It’s the exact same show she’s been doing for 20 years with 2-3 new songs. This is not unprecedented.

 

Again, if you are so disappointed in Celine - stop calling yourself a fan and move on. Find another artist. Things aren’t going to change. You’re just going to be miserable negative nancys. Go find something else that you actually enjoy and do that!

 

Or just keep giving me pages of pages of belly laughter over your incessant whining and crying and belly aching. It really is good for a laugh.

Edited December 3, 2019 at 01:25 PM by couldawouldashoulda

[superstar85ca]

Ok I guess I dont understand charts. When I look up the Billboard top 200 Celine is still number 1 (and I screen shot it at multiple angles to have on hand when I need cheering up) I assume the charts that are listed right now are from last week and that at the end of the week the new numbers will come in? Sorry for my dumbness

[superstar85ca]

Also - I'm going to scroll back a few pages in this thread to where everyone was excited and loving the album and just live in that time!!! I love it and I love her.

[cdfan32]

Madonna's album also flopped, she has canceled and shown up late to every show on her current tour, and even die hard fans aren't thrilled with the amount of new songs she's doing and neglecting her older catalog. Madonna is no way in a better boat than Celine at the present moment.

 

You must not be a "die hard fan" because every fan I've heard of who's actually seen the show loves it. It's visually stunning and a theatrical masterpiece. It's different and unique from any other pop/political statement piece out there. This was never a tour for the masses, which is reflected by the limited seating and pricing. I bought extra tickets once I saw the show because it was that great. I'd see it more often if I didn't have to travel to see it.

 

The album had mixed reviews even among fans, and I don't personally love it. I can still recognize that sonically it's boundary pushing and not the same album every time. I blame her tour issues on Live Nation scheduling (everyone knows she hasn't done 3 shows in a row since 1990's Blond Ambition when she was nearly 30 years younger, and her tour remains extremely physical compared to any other veteran act like Celine or Mariah), but her lateness is an issue.

 

I still appreciate a show that makes an effort though over the same show phoned in for 20 years now.

 

I love Celine, but I have no desire to see the Courage Tour multiple times now. It really doesn't matter to me what the "general public's" opinion of the Courage tour is or whether the stats say it's popular or doing well financially. I'm not a cow to be milked for my money, I expect value for my entertainment dollars, and increasingly spending money on Celine live is not it.

[meandmrjones]

HAHAHHAAAHAHAHHAAHAAAHAA.

"She has nothing to prove anymore", "she is a Mother now", "she has too many projects". Do you hear that, you special, positive-thinking snowflakes? It is the laughs of the music industry making fun of our Queen.

 

Courage, the joke of the music industry. And noone will care that she was #1. People always care about the negative publicity.

 

Well done Celine, keep on ignoring your new album with all possible ways. You know, you should remove C and I from your set list, we care ONLY about LCMM and Purple Rain.

get a life man.

[cdfan32]

We all know that Celine doesn't care about selling albums nowadays. She wants to perform, and that's that.

Hence the end of the promo - she never liked doing that.

 

The only thing I really blame her for (I mean, besides the setlist) is the fact she ALMOST NEVER talks about music in her interviews.

It always comes back to her family, her vision of life, what she likes to do...

 

She's bound to do a little promo, but talks about her life. Not her music. What the heck?

 

I completely agree. I don't care about the lack of promo but the fact that whenever she does do any promo, she promotes her life and talks about everything under the sun but her music. It increasingly highlights how she has zero connection to the music she herself sings, as she never explains anything about it or how she came to choose specific songs. It has made her music a lot less relatable to me personally as I've grown up.

 

When you look at interviews from Mariah, etc., whatever you think about her persona (which is largely due to insecurity), she is 100% passionate about her music, songwriting, and explaining her musical projects. It comes across as much more authentic.

 

I just find it difficult to get invested in Celine's new music any more because she clearly cares so little about it herself. It's like she was given a phonebook to sing and dutifully recorded it for money to promote a tour that then performs none of it. While I love her personality, I couldn't care less about reading or hearing endless details about her life, lack of love life, or fashion. I became a fan of hers because she is first and foremost a musical artist, but she unlike anyone else promotes everything but the music.

Edited December 3, 2019 at 02:28 PM by cdfan32

[deccan]

Seriously, some of you losing your mind over an album chart. You can voice your opinion but what's up with the nasty and mean comments?

If you are not happy with the album or the tour, why are you here every single day with your negative attitude? Go to the Mariah or Madonna forum if you think it's better over there.

crazy

 

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[weasley123]

 

 

I completely agree. I don't care about the lack of promo but the fact that whenever she does do any promo, she promotes her life and talks about everything under the sun but her music. It increasingly highlights how she has zero connection to the music she herself sings, as she never explains anything about it or how she came to choose specific songs. It has made her music a lot less relatable to me personally as I've grown up.

 

When you look at interviews from Mariah, etc., whatever you think about her persona (which is largely due to insecurity), she is 100% passionate about her music, songwriting, and explaining her musical projects. It comes across as much more authentic.

 

I just find it difficult to get invested in Celine's new music any more because she clearly cares so little about it herself. It's like she was given a phonebook to sing and dutifully recorded it for money to promote a tour that then performs none of it. While I love her personality, I couldn't care less about reading or hearing endless details about her life, lack of love life, or fashion. I became a fan of hers because she is first and foremost a musical artist, but she unlike anyone else promotes everything but the music.

 

Yeah. We barely see any promo about new album. In any interview she talk about life, children, family, Rene, except about her new music, songwriting, and story behind the song, the process of recording etc. Music video is a promo, but with Imperfection and Courage I barely see any creativity. Both of them are black and white video. Courage video even worse, just she singing and move around. We need creativity, we need colors, we need video that shows story, energy, passion, interest. Not only in term of visual, but also as product. I mean, look at Beyonce’s Spirit music album. There was nothing special about the song. But the music video is so captivated.

[deccan]

You think I am not disappointing that this album did not take off and maybe be as big and huge as I thought because loved it... Yes I am but that does not give you the right to turn on her or her team while im sure they are trying to do the best they can... You know how it feels when you put your heart and soul into something and people s*** all over it once its not successful??? Go try and put out an album and then let all these people bit by bit talk crap about it and you... I got to give it to the lambs, maybe they can be annoying sometimes or even unrealistic but at least they stick by their artist. I respect every bodies opinion on this forum even if they dont agree with me but there is a difference between constructive criticism and being damn right a selfish little brat sorry..

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[Xpresso]

You can blame Celine for not talking much about her music, but I never hear questions from journalists about her music either. All they ask is about her life and how she is doing now after losing René… And That's The Way It Is!

[weasley123]

And with a tons of material of her discography, why stuck with current setlist? Before tour began, she and her team talk about digging her discography. But then again, we see almost nothing new but something like greatest hits tour. Why bother to call it Courage World Tour when there are only 2 songs of Courage album performed? She even shows no energy when sing most of those songs of that setlist. I mean look at when she performed Twist and Shout at Live in Memphis. Vocally speaking, it wasn’t her best, but damn the energy she showed there was spectacular. I’d die to see that kinda energy from Celine again.

 

Ashes, her last music video before Courage, I think was hit because of the concept and creativity. It went viral because its uniqueness. And look at her new Loreal commercial. Why can’t her team make music video like that?

 

And twenty years after Then You Look At Me, we still wait for her to perform that song live.

[cdfan32]

You can blame Celine for not talking much about her music, but I never hear questions from journalists about her music either. All they ask is about her life and how she is doing now after losing René… And That's The Way It Is!

 

You act like these artists (and any celebrity) don't have PR people and a management team for the reasons of being able to express what is on or off topic for an interview. You don't see Madonna or Mariah getting grilled about their personal lives in 90% of their interviews because their personal lives are off limits. They are there to talk about their music, current tour, projects, etc. You don't even hear Celine talking about the TOUR, instead of her opinions on Titanic from over 20 years ago. What exactly are you there to promote? Or to just create a 2 second clickbait?

[Xpresso]

 

 

You act like these artists (and any celebrity) don't have PR people and a management team for the reasons of being able to express what is on or off topic for an interview. You don't see Madonna or Mariah getting grilled about their personal lives in 90% of their interviews because their personal lives are off limits. They are there to talk about their music, current tour, projects, etc. You don't even hear Celine talking about the TOUR, instead of her opinions on Titanic from over 20 years ago. What exactly are you there to promote? Or to just create a 2 second clickbait?

Celine's personal life has never been off limit and that's probably why journalists keep asking personal questions instead of music questions.

[marc-02]

Now it's official. The album is out of the 100.

 

Courage fell 110 spots to No. 111 on the Billboard 200. 😭😭😭

 

Guess we can now say Courage "is light years awaaaaay" from where it was last week. Hahaha...

 

Well all that matters to me is she hit No. 1. Afterall, before you can achieve the "biggest drop" from the No. 1, you have to have been No. 1 in the first place, right? Haha

Edited December 3, 2019 at 04:55 PM by marc-02

[browseceline]

 

Yeah. We barely see any promo about new album. In any interview she talk about life, children, family, Rene, except about her new music, songwriting, and story behind the song, the process of recording etc. Music video is a promo, but with Imperfection and Courage I barely see any creativity. Both of them are black and white video. Courage video even worse, just she singing and move around. We need creativity, we need colors, we need video that shows story, energy, passion, interest. Not only in term of visual, but also as product. I mean, look at Beyonce’s Spirit music album. There was nothing special about the song. But the music video is so captivated.

 

i really hope this is the last black & white video. With all the money she has she can easily hire a great producer to really make s stunning videoclip!

 

 

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[cdfan32]

Celine's personal life has never been off limit and that's probably why journalists keep asking personal questions instead of music questions.

 

It isn't a one way street. She can always express interest in talking about her music or steering the conversation in the direction she wishes if she wished to do so, but that clearly isn't her focus. Even when people are asked about things that isn't what they want to talk about, they can always find a way to bring the conversation back to or insert a plug about her latest songs or music. She's not a child being interrogated who doesn't know how to talk about anything except what is asked directly. Let's give her more credit than to pretend everything is just the fault of the interviewers.

[sarit_celine]

OMG - I made myself some breakfast and read the past few days of this forum. It was quite a laugh, for sure! You people are losing your minds because in ONE country, her album had a significant decrease in sales? Not children being separated from their parents at the border, not the entire koala species being burned alive in the Australian fires, not a friend going through cancer...FOR AN ALBUM DROPPING IN SALES. That's the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time - thanks for the laughs this morning. I needed them!

 

If some of you can only enjoy Celine if she has massive sales, stop being her fan right now. You're only going to put yourself through a lifetime of disappointment, crying yourself to sleep every night. If you don't like the set list to her concert...I've got a tip for you - DON'T GO! No one is forcing you to go to her concert. Sell your ticket and DON'T BUY ANOTHER ONE EVER AGAIN because it's clear at this point, after many years that she is a "Greatest Hits Artist." I get that you're disappointed she called it the Courage tour and isn't singing much from the album. Wah Wah Wah. JUST DON"T GO TO THE FREAKING SHOW THEN. It's your choice. You can't force Celine to do something she doesn't want to do. The woman has a bazillion dollars and is going to keep making a bazillion dollars not from any album but from touring with her greatest hits. Accept that or just move on.

 

Has anyone been to a Cher concert lately? It's the exact same show she's been doing for 20 years with 2-3 new songs. This is not unprecedented.

 

Again, if you are so disappointed in Celine - stop calling yourself a fan and move on. Find another artist. Things aren't going to change. You're just going to be miserable negative nancys. Go find something else that you actually enjoy and do that!

 

Or just keep giving me pages of pages of belly laughter over your incessant whining and crying and belly aching. It really is good for a laugh.

 

Yeah yeah, blinder, the joke is on the fans and their hard earned money.

[sarit_celine]

I completely agree. I don't care about the lack of promo but the fact that whenever she does do any promo, she promotes her life and talks about everything under the sun but her music. It increasingly highlights how she has zero connection to the music she herself sings, as she never explains anything about it or how she came to choose specific songs. It has made her music a lot less relatable to me personally as I've grown up.

 

When you look at interviews from Mariah, etc., whatever you think about her persona (which is largely due to insecurity), she is 100% passionate about her music, songwriting, and explaining her musical projects. It comes across as much more authentic.

 

I just find it difficult to get invested in Celine's new music any more because she clearly cares so little about it herself. It's like she was given a phonebook to sing and dutifully recorded it for money to promote a tour that then performs none of it. While I love her personality, I couldn't care less about reading or hearing endless details about her life, lack of love life, or fashion. I became a fan of hers because she is first and foremost a musical artist, but she unlike anyone else promotes everything but the music.

 

I find myself agree with every thing you write

[marc-02]

At least it is still not the largest drop from No. 1 in Billboard history haha... Thats the silver lining here haha: (by a female, yes it is. But overall, it's not)

 

Largest drops from number one

 

(1–169) This House Is Not for Sale – Bon Jovi[87] (March 17, 2018)

 

(1–97) Science Fiction – Brand New[88] (September 16, 2017)

 

(1–88) Iridescence – Brockhampton[89] (October 13, 2018)

 

(1–77) Madame X – Madonna (July 6, 2019)

 

(1–62) Boarding House Reach – Jack White[91] (April 14, 2018)

 

(1–59) Wonderful Wonderful – The Killers[92] (October 21, 2017)

 

(1–56) American Dream – LCD Soundsystem[93] (September 30, 2017)

 

(1–45) Help Us Stranger – The Raconteurs[94] (July 13, 2019)

 

(1–43) This House Is Not for Sale – Bon Jovi[95] (December 3, 2016)

 

(1–41) A Pentatonix Christmas – Pentatonix[96] (January 21, 2017)

 

And also, the biggest drop by an album that did not hit No. 1 is by the Bee Gees:

 

The album Number Ones by the Bee Gees has the largest drop for an album that did not top the chart. It re-entered the chart at number 5 in the week of August 18, 2012. In its second week, it dropped to number 195, dropping 190 positions.[97]

Edited December 3, 2019 at 05:09 PM by marc-02

[yoyoma]

Why Sonyyy released the album end of the year they could have released before the tour. So stupid

[CSCfan]

Why Sonyyy released the album end of the year they could have released before the tour. So stupid

 

They could've released it 4 years ago if we knew the album would get this little promo.