"Courage" album - Official Topic

[CelineDionFreak]

I’m going to go to the store on release day to buy it! It’s always been a tradition for me with new English albums, and I can’t wait to tangibly touch and feel it! Target has the deluxe version for preorder, so let’s hope it will be in store too!

 

It’s hard not listening to this album for 10 more days, but I’m loving through all of you! I am not paying attention to lyrics but I am to the reviews. It sounds like this is her best album in recent years!!

[Bruno Portugal]

I’m going to go to the store on release day to buy it! It’s always been a tradition for me with new English albums, and I can’t wait to tangibly touch and feel it!

 

I do the same, lol.

[celinecolombian]

I couldn't wait until nov 15, although I already preordered my fisical copy, so I caved for the leaked album.

 

I must say that I really enjoyed it, specially "Nobody's Watching" and "How Did You Get Here", those are fantastic songs!

[Ajax]

That's my take. I don't really like the pronunciation on this album...The songs are amazing, but her singing habits truly take away from some of them. For The Lover That I Lost is a prime example. And I think she too much tries to mimic Sia's way of singing on the Sia-penned songs.

 

Like, her crystal clear 90s pronunciation would have sounded so nice on this album. Compare how she sounded on the song "All the Way" to some of what she is doing here.

 

Clearly, if you compare to this song.

That's a bit weird for me, I mean, there are things you can't control about your voice when it concerns natural aging, but prononciation ? Sometimes I feel like it's more a medical aspect like she has polyps in her nose. And there are things I don't totally hear as not being Anglophone.

But I still think that she sounds phenomenal in this specific Courage album.

[Ajax]

. Edited November 5, 2019 at 07:46 PM by Ajax

[Céline RO]

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In Perfect Goodbye... I'm hearing 45 steps... Not 25 steps.

 

I also hear 45 steps though I had to listen very carefully. I initially though she said “take five steps”

[fred]

Hahaha! Neatly put. I have Always dested her need to do "buffé-albums" and when it's phrased as "something for everybody" it's like that's something good. I've craved for a coherent and "artistic" album since forever. So glad C seems to be that one (I am a waiter for the 15th). It sure is long overdo. Everything post her millennium hiatus has "playing it safe" written all over it. And that at the cost of quality and Always backfireing at being "current", always some steps behind, never daring to step into the new fully. I find many of the ANDHC songs very fine, but wouldn't call the album a masterpiece in its entirety. She's been wasting her voice ever since. She had every chance to experiment and evolve, but never did. Glad she finally dared.

 

Just hope she dared that with her concerts aswell.

 

And the fact that they put I surrender next to At last, Rain Tax, ten days super love and Nature boy makes me hate A new days has come because the approach stinks commercial prostitution and compromise over artistry and guts ?

[Céline RO]

That's my take. I don't really like the pronunciation on this album...The songs are amazing, but her singing habits truly take away from some of them. For The Lover That I Lost is a prime example. And I think she too much tries to mimic Sia's way of singing on the Sia-penned songs.

 

Like, her crystal clear 90s pronunciation would have sounded so nice on this album. Compare how she sounded on the song "All the Way" to some of what she is doing here.

 

I agree. I especially don’t like her closed-mouth technique in “For The Lover That I Lost”, “Heart of Glass” and “Perfect Goodbye”. However, she does have songs like “The Chase” and some others in which she sings beautifully.

[cdfan32]

Ho but I totally understand your point. Her prononciation and "chewing gum" sound has been a problem for me also for years now. It is present on this album, for sure.

I just feel that, as a whole, this album screams authenticity, something that never applied to her other albums, something that we always reproached her. As explained above the production, the folk/vintage vibe, the production, accompany that better than ever. It's raw. When I hear Perfect good bye I even tend to think that it is a committed position, sounds weird to say that but the whole thing sound singular, and maybe it wouldn't be the same if we wouldn't have those what I call then; singularities. Welle that's it. But of course in general that's a concern for me and we can hear it here.

 

For the messy vocals, I can also understand For the same reasons as above, it's less polished and she mixes her voice more than before for sure. I'm ready for a change, that's part of the new approach, the whole Courage thing. She kills it in my opinion.

 

I agree with you that lyrically, it's probably her most authentic album in years in English especially. So I applaud her for that, but I don't like the songwriters or the production on quite a few of the songs (yuck, Sam Smith).

 

For me as a native English speaker, the messy pronunciation distorts the lyrics more so it sounds less natural of an interpretation (since she obviously didn't write the lyrics herself), if you know what I mean, while I think she obviously sounds most authentic/free/natural singing in her native French. That part is more obvious to me on this album than any other, and I don't think the exaggerated accent/pronunciation is because of aging or anything to do with her voice, specifically. It's also a lack of enunciation, something Ariana has huge problems with also. Perhaps she paid more attention to those things in the past or did more takes, but this album in general sounds extremely hastily recorded.

 

Hopefully some of these songs will grow on me. Of the originally released songs, I love Imperfections the most.

[sarit_celine]

Now I know who Celine reminds me, with the way she sings some songs, so she tries to sing (again)

like Sia, but then it has some of the Cher nuances(!), I'm not sure what is the term for this kind way of singing

I find it funny but at the same time so graceful

[I Drove All Night!]

It's always the standard. Found my email, says it will be mailed on release day and arrive 7-10 business days after.

 

Thanks! Guess I'll plan to run to Target on Friday morning to get the deluxe edition and start my "official" listening party!

[Ajax]

 

 

I agree with you that lyrically, it's probably her most authentic album in years in English especially. So I applaud her for that, but I don't like the songwriters or the production on quite a few of the songs (yuck, Sam Smith).

 

For me as a native English speaker, the messy pronunciation distorts the lyrics more so it sounds less natural of an interpretation (since she obviously didn't write the lyrics herself), if you know what I mean, while I think she obviously sounds most authentic/free/natural singing in her native French. That part is more obvious to me on this album than any other, and I don't think the exaggerated accent/pronunciation is because of aging or anything to do with her voice, specifically. It's also a lack of enunciation, something Ariana has huge problems with also. Perhaps she paid more attention to those things in the past or did more takes, but this album in general sounds extremely hastily recorded.

 

Hopefully some of these songs will grow on me. Of the originally released songs, I love Imperfections the most.

 

Get it. I was almost scared for those same reasons when I heard Encore un soir the album.

 

 

[Alex_Incognito]

At leatht we don't have to lithen to Tham Thmith'th voith.

[manolo19]

All it takes is someone telling Celine don't do that with your voice , STOP it !

 

She thinks it's cool and hype , but that closed angry mouth kinda drunk voice is awful and unecessary and sounds forced and take away all the raw beauty in the songs. Thank god there are moments when she gives us that beautiful pure Celine but it has become pathetic at this point individuals dont want to unplease her and let this weird and ugly habbit of singing on the final take.

Edited November 5, 2019 at 08:47 PM by manolo19

[Celine Fan 77]

Is it me or Celine sounds totally different on this album? She has a "new" voice in songs like "For The Lover That I Lost", more deep than before. I have the feeling that she has stopped trying to sound like Sia or Adele to show her real voice at last, and I couldn't be happier.

[fred]

Oh, take some days off, do nothing, just savour it, take it all in, chill, be content, hope it stays there or goes higher all by itself...... followed up by maybe make a post to remind us all to listen to the song some weeks later.

 

I really feel hopeful. I mean, in spite of plenty of us who don't really like imperfection as much, it is on the path to be her highest charting AC single since Have you ever been in love. And that's nice, no matter how you spin it IMO. What do you think Celine's Team should do to capitalize on this?

[JulienMcbeal]

I don't understand that whole ordeal about the leak impacting sales.

 

I really don't think it would have such an impact. I mean, if the album hadn't leaked two weeks before the release, it still would be available illegally everywhere on the internet on the 15th, just a few hours after being officially available. Everyone knows that, and the people interested in downloading music illegaly sure do!

 

So people who want to download illegally would do it now instead of the 15/16/17 of november. Big deal!

People who want to listen to it before deciding to buy it or not can listen to it now instead of waiting for that week end - and still decide they don't like it and don't buy it. Making that decision now rather than later doesn't change a thing in terms of sales.

 

Now, there's the problem of streaming. Ok, the streams will be lower. But will people listen to Courage 50 times before deciding if they like it or not? Really?

The fans won't stream it 'cause they'll already be bored of listening to it for two weeks? Like Celine's fanbase's presence online is the same as Ariana Grande or another teen look-a-like to make a real difference. What's an album-equivalent sale for Billboard? 1250 streams?

Celine is not a streaming artist, she never was. Have you look at the streaming datas of LD/Imperfection/Courage since their release?

Very impressive indeed.... They really made a splash in the Hot 100. Er, on the bubbling under, then? No? I'm guessing it's certainly because they leak before their release date without us knowing.

Right....

 

Besides, if we wanna talk about Justice and Fairness, let's talk about that album-ticket bundle major artists are doing nowadays. That will help tremendously Celine for the first week sales, but that's just plain cheating! It's a lie to the public - well, record companies always lied about sales, but we're in a total other dimension with this kind of lies.

For instance, Shania Twain's Now debuted at #1 on Billboard thanks to that scam. And was #29 the next week.

Did all this free publicity of being number one again after 15years did help her sell more copies in the long run? Hum, it didn't. Did it help her singles? I'm sorry, it'd be so rude to laugh.

 

Edited November 5, 2019 at 09:06 PM by JulienMcbeal

[Schwa83]

I for one love the deep tone. For The Lover That I Lost sounds gorgeous to me. It's warm deep, not raspy deep. It sounds very emotional.

[fred]

It.….. took…….. six……… years……..

 

 

Well ceveral...

 

but this album in general sounds extremely hastily recorded.

[Chantemoi]

Is it me or Celine sounds totally different on this album? She has a "new" voice in songs like "For The Lover That I Lost", more deep than before. I have the feeling that she has stopped trying to sound like Sia or Adele to show her real voice at last, and I couldn't be happier.

 

I totally agree, and that’s my favourite song so far

Yes, her voice is more throaty than it used to be, but it’s still clear.

 

What’s sad is that she’s still expected to deliver her old songs on tour — which only seem to highlight just how much her voice has changed. I appreciate Lying Down, but I’m ready for her to put those belting songs to rest, and embrace the softer, lower register. At least for live performances.

 

Eventually, the 90s nostalgia will wear off and she’ll need to come up with a new plan. Her recording efforts reflect that, but not the tour.

[Chantemoi]

I don't understand that whole ordeal about the leak impacting sales.

 

I really don't think it would have such an impact. I mean, if the album hadn't leaked two weeks before the release, it still would be available illegally everywhere on the internet on the 15th, just a few hours after being officially available. Everyone knows that, and the people interested in downloading music illegaly sure do!

 

So people who want to download illegally would do it now instead of the 15/16/17 of november. Big deal!

People who want to listen to it before deciding to buy it or not can listen to it now instead of waiting for that week end - and still decide they don't like it and don't buy it. Making that decision now rather than later doesn't change a thing in terms of sales.

 

Now, there's the problem of streaming. Ok, the streams will be lower. But will people listen to Courage 50 times before deciding if they like it or not? Really?

The fans won't stream it 'cause they'll already be bored of listening to it for two weeks? Like Celine's fanbase's presence online is the same as Ariana Grande or another teen look-a-like to make a real difference. What's an album-equivalent sale for Billboard? 1250 streams?

Celine is not a streaming artist, she never was. Have you look at the streaming datas of LD/Imperfection/Courage since their release?

Very impressive indeed.... They really made a splash in the Hot 100. Er, on the bubbling under, then? No? I'm guessing it's certainly because they leak before their release date without us knowing.

Right....

 

Besides, if we wanna talk about Justice and Fairness, let's talk about that album-ticket bundle major artists are doing nowadays. That will help tremendously Celine for the first week sales, but that's just plain cheating! It's a lie to the public - well, record companies always lied about sales, but we're in a total other dimension with this kind of lies.

For instance, Shania Twain's Now debuted at #1 on Billboard thanks to that scam. And was #29 the next week.

Did all this free publicity of being number one again after 15years did help her sell more copies in the long run? Hum, it didn't. Did it help her singles? I'm sorry, it'd be so rude to laugh.

 

 

Well said! You’ve expressed things I felt, but didn’t know how to say.

[sarit_celine]

I don't understand that whole ordeal about the leak impacting sales.

 

I really don't think it would have such an impact. I mean, if the album hadn't leaked two weeks before the release, it still would be available illegally everywhere on the internet on the 15th, just a few hours after being officially available. Everyone knows that, and the people interested in downloading music illegaly sure do!

 

So people who want to download illegally would do it now instead of the 15/16/17 of november. Big deal!

People who want to listen to it before deciding to buy it or not can listen to it now instead of waiting for that week end - and still decide they don't like it and don't buy it. Making that decision now rather than later doesn't change a thing in terms of sales.

 

Now, there's the problem of streaming. Ok, the streams will be lower. But will people listen to Courage 50 times before deciding if they like it or not? Really?

The fans won't stream it 'cause they'll already be bored of listening to it for two weeks? Like Celine's fanbase's presence online is the same as Ariana Grande or another teen look-a-like to make a real difference. What's an album-equivalent sale for Billboard? 1250 streams?

Celine is not a streaming artist, she never was. Have you look at the streaming datas of LD/Imperfection/Courage since their release?

Very impressive indeed.... They really made a splash in the Hot 100. Er, on the bubbling under, then? No? I'm guessing it's certainly because they leak before their release date without us knowing.

Right....

 

Besides, if we wanna talk about Justice and Fairness, let's talk about that album-ticket bundle major artists are doing nowadays. That will help tremendously Celine for the first week sales, but that's just plain cheating! It's a lie to the public - well, record companies always lied about sales, but we're in a total other dimension with this kind of lies.

For instance, Shania Twain's Now debuted at #1 on Billboard thanks to that scam. And was #29 the next week.

Did all this free publicity of being number one again after 15years did help her sell more copies in the long run? Hum, it didn't. Did it help her singles? I'm sorry, it'd be so rude to laugh.

 

 

Pretty much agreed about everything, people really acting the same with or without this leaking lol

so who that never bought a physical copy or never bought it online, big chances it will stay just the same

and it sad actually to see how the momentum for singles like LD and I pretty much stopped on YT.

 

Regarding Shania twain, can you please explain what was the scam?

[CSchmidt]

This album is really unprecedented for Celine as this is the very first time in her English (or even French, correct me if I'm wrong) discography that her album is dominated by songs that are predominantly dark in tone and sad in nature (either due to a loss, coming from a heartbreak, dealing with insecurities, etc)... Even if some of the songs conclude in a positive, uplifting, empowering tone, they all started in or involved, even in small part, a story of sadness or struggle.

 

This is so unlike her past albums which were all predominantly about perfect (sometimes cheesy) love, falling in love, and about hope and joy.

 

Which is why I really really like and have high respects for this album because this is a side of Celine we rarely see in her music and a road she rarely takes (or never has taken) before.

 

I classified all the 20 songs into two categories and realized only around a quarter of them was about the typical "love theme" that she used to sing, while the remaining 3/4 of them all have themes i mentioned above (sadness, pain, struggle, insecurities etc).

Are we getting a Céline Del Rey?

[CSchmidt]

I really don't want to listen to the album until November 15th, it was because of the leak that i wasn't here.

[Ajax]

I totally agree, and that's my favourite song so far

Yes, her voice is more throaty than it used to be, but it's still clear.

 

What's sad is that she's still expected to deliver her old songs on tour — which only seem to highlight just how much her voice has changed. I appreciate Lying Down, but I'm ready for her to put those belting songs to rest, and embrace the softer, lower register. At least for live performances.

 

Eventually, the 90s nostalgia will wear off and she'll need to come up with a new plan. Her recording efforts reflect that, but not the tour.

 

I kind of feel this also.

 

Ok, then let's her have her last huge big world tour as the Beauty and the best singer, the legendary belter. Eventually hoping to see a at least a small twist toward Courage album. She still can do that, I mean, The Prayer as nothing to envy to her prime years in my opinion. And Lying Down would have been in playback in those years. Not to speak about TLB. Whatever ok, but then, the only way for her will be to make this famous anti tour in smaller places where she will make it clear that it will be about courage, both literally and figuratively.

[sarit_celine]

I can understand why some doesn't like her "throat" singing, but recently she has been doing it a lot.

Yes, she wants to sound cool, her surroundings full of younger people.

She enjoys to sing like that, and I don't see this going elsewhere in the near future.

This is the same way Sia sings , so I'm not surprised about this at all, and got used to it lol.

[Ajax]

I can understand why some doesn't like her "throat" singing, but recently she has been doing it a lot.

Yes, she wants to sound cool, her surroundings full of younger people.

She enjoys to sing like that, and I don't see this going elsewhere in the near future.

This is the same way Sia sings , so I'm not surprised about this at all, and got used to it lol.

 

I thought about the Sia sounding that it was more obvious on LMBTL than on those 2 songs. Globally I would even say that what's make this album special is that feelling that we hear her real/true voice.

And honestly I think she is over this I'm gonna sound cool thing.

[CSchmidt]

I thought about the Sia sounding that it was more obvious on LMBTL than on those 2 songs. Globally I would even say that what's make this album special is that feelling that we hear her real/true voice.

And honestly I think she is over this I'm gonna sound cool thing.

Is FTLIL a real s***? I didn't listen any song Edited November 5, 2019 at 09:56 PM by CSchmidt

[DionFanAlways]

It.….. took…….. six……… years……..

 

 

Well ceveral...

Oh God I laughed so hard!

[celinefan1985]

 

 

Clearly, if you compare to this song.

That's a bit weird for me, I mean, there are things you can't control about your voice when it concerns natural aging, but prononciation ? Sometimes I feel like it's more a medical aspect like she has polyps in her nose. And there are things I don't totally hear as not being Anglophone.

But I still think that she sounds phenomenal in this specific Courage album.

 

This has been the case in French and English for quote some time. She’s freaking Celine Dion. Singers would dream to sound like her yet she wants to sound different! At least the horribly croaky voice is gone...