"Courage" album - Official Topic

[scielle]

Well in which case, thats a positive change. More tech staff means more advanced staging and effects. Whilst i dont want anything weird like AND or insane like Madonna, id prefer even a slight upgrade from what we've had from pervious summer tours

 

I don't see it as a positive at all.

I'm not interested in "advanced staging and effects". That's the very thing I don't want to see.

Just stand there and sing, please.

[jpatdeleon09]

https://www.journald...rer-celine-dion

 

Only 14 musicians?! Hope that doesn't mean we're losing the brass and / or string sections.

 

And given the 110-person total.... just how many people does she have doing tech?!

This is starting to sound like a tech-heavy and music-light kinda show...

 

I just want her to stand there and sing. No gimmicks. No TCWT-style dancers. No capes. Ugh.

 

She already did that for 9 years. It's time to move on lol

 

Yes to TCWT/AND style since it's the style of the modern concert nowadays. Grant that wish for those who are sick in simple setup

[jpatdeleon09]

I don't see it as a positive at all.

I'm not interested in "advanced staging and effects". That's the very thing I don't want to see.

Just stand there and sing, please.

 

She can just book a ballroom venue. Then, sing there. Like she did back in 2013.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2019 at 04:14 PM by jpatdeleon09

[DionFanAlways]

 

 

She can just book a ballroom venue. Then, sing there. Like she did back in 2013.

 

Edison was fantastic!! I would love more of these settings. More please!

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I don't see it as a positive at all.

I'm not interested in "advanced staging and effects". That's the very thing I don't want to see.

Just stand there and sing, please.

 

She can stand there and sing, thats what i want too.

 

But at least in the background and through the interludes there can be something more than the same visuals shes been using for nearly a decade

[Ajax]

When I want to see it from a positive angle I think this delay could be a good sign too (but if he have to wait for this many years and al we get is a OH, TC, LMBTL part 2 I don't know how to react).

 

I really do hope you're right about the creativity part and that this album will be nothing like we've heard from her before! But I am not sure she's gonna be able to fully break free from the straightjacket titled "the fans need stability", but fingers crossed for at least a compromise.

 

Well, once again I don't pretend that ii will lead to a good album. I'm talking about what we are experiencing about all those new process and the fact that she is taking the exact opposite as what she was doing. I think it was time, I think it is healthy. I'm talking about the context also, where she comes from in term of her musical image, and some facts that yes actually she is showing way more interest in singing live, taking risk, exploring.

 

You speak about compromise, that's actually my biggest fear. All her albums and even her career, was about compromise. Often, compromise are good and necessary, but usually when speaking about arts, that's a creativity killer and that's what any artist should avoid, otherwise, they are not real artist in my opinion.

 

I know it is not a popular opinion and I know we have here her last hit (if we can call them hits) as well as her last ambitious productions. But I would hate having another A new day has come which I think is one of her worst album just because it stinks compromise. Ok Let's make 3 signatures ballads, one or 2 jazz songs, 1 folk song in any case...And so on. I can't with that.

 

And, I'm afraid we're still going this way when I associate Fomo, Sia and the big old ballad snippet.

 

Let's see

Edited August 29, 2019 at 04:49 PM by Ajax

[fred]

Just because she'll write her own songs doesn't automatically mean they're masterpieces. This belief fascinates me. It's just like so many fans think if she just starred in a movie she'll automatically recieve an Oscar....

 

More reason for Celine to start writing or at least co writing her own songs.

[AdrienneM]

Being a songwriter requires not only life experiences to draw from, but it also requires a great command of the language youre writing in and the ability to use it to tell a story, but it also requires knowledge of how music and melodies work... all these things have to be taken into account, hence why there are so few truly talented songwriters. You dont just wake up a lyricist, and if Celine truly was one, Rene probably wouldve had her write a song at some point

[scielle]

Songwriting and performing are completely different skill sets. Few are great at both. There's good reason these two things were completely separate occupations until about the 1960s/70s.

[AdrienneM]

The only person i can think of thats comparible to Celine in terms of era and talent is Mariah Carey, say what you want about her live vocals nowadays but GOD that woman can write a masterpiece

[Nmj]

Just because she'll write her own songs doesn't automatically mean they're masterpieces. This belief fascinates me. It's just like so many fans think if she just starred in a movie she'll automatically recieve an Oscar....

 

Good or bad, I’d trust Celine to write about her journey in life instead of singing songs like “Save Your Soul” which I like but she doesn’t relate to as much.

[Nmj]

Just because she'll write her own songs doesn't automatically mean they're masterpieces. This belief fascinates me. It's just like so many fans think if she just starred in a movie she'll automatically recieve an Oscar....

 

Baby steps she could start by CO WRITING and see where that leads.

[scielle]

The only person i can think of thats comparible to Celine in terms of era and talent is Mariah Carey, say what you want about her live vocals nowadays but GOD that woman can write a masterpiece

 

I'm not really familiar with her music - except perhaps 3-4 of the obvious songs.

Which would you consider her "masterpiece(s)"?

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I'm not really familiar with her music - except perhaps 3-4 of the obvious songs.

Which would you consider her "masterpiece(s)"?

 

Fourth Of July, lyrically, is an absolute masterpiece. The RnB flow isnt to everyones taste, but the lyrics on this song are godly:

 

“And we floated away

Delicately lay entwined

In an intimate daze

A crescent moon began to shine (began to shine)

And I wanted to stay (stay)

Tangled up with you among the fireflies

On that Fourth of July (Fourth of July)”

 

 

Petals off of her 1999 album Rainbow also:

 

“I gravitated towards a patriarch so young predictably

I was resigned to spend my life within a maze of misery

A boy and a girl befriended me

We're bonded through despondency

I stayed so long but finally

I fled to save my sanity“

 

 

Giving Me Life from her most recent album Caution is also masterful lyrically:

 

“So then maybe if the stars align

We'll fix our minds on another tangent

And it's kinda like impossible to top this at all

Giving me life and it's everything

Thinkin' 'bout when we were seventeen

Feeling myself like I'm Norma Jeane

Here in my arms is where you should be”

 

 

[Ajax]

 

 

Fourth Of July, lyrically, is an absolute masterpiece. The RnB flow isnt to everyones taste, but the lyrics on this song are godly:

 

“And we floated away

Delicately lay entwined

In an intimate daze

A crescent moon began to shine (began to shine)

And I wanted to stay (stay)

Tangled up with you among the fireflies

On that Fourth of July (Fourth of July

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I’m not saying it’s bad. But that’s the pure exp<b></b>ression of generic love and writing no ? The moon, the fireflies and 2 entwined bodies. Ugh.

If it s a masterpiece, every teenager leaving his first summer love is a genius then.

Of course she remains a solid melodist.

 

Celine composing and writing had never been such a priority for me. I have so much interest and respect for people being able to move us in 3 minutes with their voice. I never search if those people write their own thing. It s an art and so few people are able to do that live.

 

I just wish she would have the guts to try one day. Because they teased us many times about Celine having so much stuff in her head. Ok go then ! Just very curious and trying is always good.

Edited August 29, 2019 at 07:04 PM by Ajax

[AdrienneM]

 

😑

I’m not saying it’s bad. But that’s the pure exp<b></b>ression of generic love and writing no ? The moon, the fireflies and 2 entwined bodies. Ugh.

If it s a masterpiece, every teenager leaving his first summer love is a genius then.

Of course she remains a solid melodist.

 

Celine composing and writing had never been such a priority for me. I have so much interest and respect for people being able to move us in 3 minutes with their voice. I never search if those people write their own thing. It s an art and so few people are able to do that live.

 

I just wish she would have the guts to try one day. Because they teased us many times about Celine having so much stuff in her head. Ok go then ! Just very curious and trying is always good.

 

You really think thats basic, or generic or easy to write?

 

That lyric is a masterpiece. The vocabulary used there paints a picture of two lovers who were truly entraced and enthralled with each other. “in your intimate daze”.... thats an incredible personification of a thought.. the fact she was able to craft a lyric which makes you think of a thought of the thought... its genius

Edited August 29, 2019 at 07:07 PM by AdrienneM

[Ajax]

Honestly yes Adrienne. I feel almost sorry for that 😅but I find every word and image generic. I don’t know how someone using fireflies moon and 2 entwined bodies in the same time cannot be generic as f***. We all wrote or thought that when we were teenager no? But maybe I’m missing something I don’t understand your thing about the daze. For me this is also so worn.

[AdrienneM]

Honestly yes Adrienne. I feel almost sorry for that 😅but I find every word and image generic. I don’t know how someone using fireflies moon and 2 entwined bodies in the same time cannot be generic as f***. We all wrote or thought that when we were teenager no? But maybe I’m missing something I don’t understand your thing about the daze. For me this is also so worn.

 

Convenient however that you missed the other two examples i gave.

 

However, Mariah also succeeds in making you feel a certain type of way through her live performances. Her only ever performance of “Looking In”, an extremely personal song about before she was famous and how she was having to convince herself every day to keep going and not take her own life (this was never mentioned explicitly however she stated it in an interview), she had the entire audience in tears and even cried herself

[Ajax]

Where are the 2 other examples ? I told you. I don’t get what you are talking about about the thought of the thought 🤔I just wouldn’t call it a masterpiece I find it too generic.

Let s see what scielle thinks 😁

 

It is not my cup of tea but I respect her as a composer. I just have no interest in everything else about her.

[nuts2you]

 

if she happens to promote this album in Nov hear again , you might as well put a folk in me , Cause I'll be there in a heartbeat

[sarit_celine]

She can just book a ballroom venue. Then, sing there. Like she did back in 2013.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnTHhqTSVO8

 

She is the best when she keeps it simple. Imo best rendition for that song. Thanks for sharing

[AdrienneM]

Where are the 2 other examples ? I told you. I don’t get what you are talking about about the thought of the thought 🤔I just wouldn’t call it a masterpiece I find it too generic.

Let s see what scielle thinks 😁

 

It is not my cup of tea but I respect her as a composer. I just have no interest in everything else about her.

 

There were 3 sets of lyrics. You talked about one which you disliked, there were also lyrics from “Petals” and “Giving Me Life”

[Ajax]

Thé other two are a bit better 😁

[Xpresso]

Did I just land on a Mariah Forum?

[sarit_celine]

"Never too far away" is indeed a masterpiece. Songs that I love I will always look who wrote the lyrics and melody.

I know some Mariah fans that die for a duet between her and Celine.

Edited August 29, 2019 at 08:16 PM by sarit_celine

[Ajax]

I’m always amazed how people react feel express differently. I know it sounds dumb and it s a very good thing but do you call masterpiece everything you love ?

 

I mean masterpiece is such a strong word. Can’t we make a hierarchy ? So a piece from DA Vinci would be what? What is above masterpiece ?

 

Does it happen that you love something because you relate to it emotionally or whatever but you admit it s just average or even s*** ? There s so many things that I love but think that factually it s not very good or even s*** sometimes.

 

Don t know. Just a thought about words we use.

 

masterpiece !

 

[DionFanAlways]

Did I just land on a Mariah Forum?

She's the lyrical savant...

[Loup_garou]

Did I just land on a Mariah Forum?

 

It's absolutely pointless to keep this topic open, maybe it would be better to wait until the actual album gets released. There's a thread for the new single, and everything in between could go into the News Only Section.

[Javito]

Did I just land on a Mariah Forum?

 

See? Why do you ever come here? Why are you still coming, when it's clear everything bothers you? Are you even contributing ever at all with your constant bitching saying to everyone what we have to talk about and what not, in every thread??? You're a total pain in the #ss man.

 

There's nothing going on with Celine's album, we all know that. But at least this people is having a peaceful discussion about Celine's skills as a songwriter and describing examples of other talented singers of Céline's stature who do write their own material. I see no harm in talking about this and I for one I'm enjoying these examples.

Edited August 29, 2019 at 08:46 PM by Javito

[mirage]

Nahhhh yes and no.

 

The staging and all could use a little bit more 'oompfh'

 

But as much as whole choreography for songs. No, Le Ballet was 1 thing. FIY was just stupid.

 

 

 

I don't see it as a positive at all.

I'm not interested in "advanced staging and effects". That's the very thing I don't want to see.

Just stand there and sing, please.